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Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Morning news, the new ball stadium for tourism...really? Jeff Dornik, tech entrepreneur with the PICKAX social media site - AI according to the Dem report MOnday will destroy 100 million American jobs...is this true?

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. It's 11 minutes after 6. Join the conversation, like the man says, 7705-633 for Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Yes, the government is still partially shut down.

Now the president talking about he's open to. to negotiating on the on the on the obamacare subsidies huh okay um yeah monday senate democrats again rejected the spending bill 52 to 42 margin by the way house speaker mike johnson i was talking with a hughan hughett on salem yesterday about this and he says no movement so sad to say they're inflicting real pain on real americans they seem not to care playing political game. So we're pointing fingers again. Trump firing back at Democrats over the shutdown. President on

Truth Social yesterday. Democrats have shut down the United States government right in the midst of one of the most successful economies including a record stock market that our country has ever had. Hey, you know, Don, could there be a connection? You shut the government down. You shut the government down and then the stock market and the economy go up.

I'm just teasing it. It could be a connection, but what is it? Correlation is not necessarily, or causation is not necessarily correlation or vice versa. You know, that kind of thing. But anyway, this is sadly affected so many program, services, and other elements of society that Americans rely on and that should not have happened. I am happy to work with the Democrats on their failed health care policies. That means the Obamacare subsidies, by the way, or anything else. But first, they must allow our government to reopen.

In fact, they should reopen our government tonight. All right. So that is what is going on there. Meanwhile, I think I had Ron Paul, Congressman Ron Paul, former Congressman Ron Paul, ended up saying that essentially the GOP-O-Bomacare subsidy surrender is going. It's a great article today over at Ron Paul Institute and also on Lou Rockwell.com. For all the media hand-wringing, Congressman Paul, rights. Over the government shutdown, the fact is only approximately 750,000 of the over

2 million non-military federal workers are being furloughed. Most federal programs continue operating, including the major entitlement and welfare programs. National parks still open, if understaffed, and the shutdown will not affect the military industrial complex. President Trump's master plan to implement mass firings of federal employees might fire 16,000. That's what we're talking about right now. former congressman paul saying that they get ready for the surrender i don't know if we should be or not but uh you look at past performance one could be one could be forgiven or excused for thinking that was going to happen now speaking of these health care subsidies kobe i five ended up

doing a story yesterday a local woman was surprised to receive a letter on friday saying her insurance is estimated to increase by about $1,000 each month at the start of 2026. The Oregon Health Insurance Marketplace tells NBC5, the ACA, this is the Obamacare enhanced premium tax credits set to expire at the end of the year, are the biggest reason for the increases Oregonians using the health insurance marketplace are seeing. As NBC5 reported previously, I'm trying to understand this. Is this one of those things where the Obamacare tax credits just get built in? You know, these were the subsidies that ended up coming in during COVID time, 2020, 2021.

And this was expanded at that time. And it was supposed to be temporary. And that temporary part is what people are whining. and going crazy about right now and why the Democrats are supposedly you know keeping the government partially shut down

is over this kind of stuff I want to be fair about this because you know this is the other side this is the other side of the equation Diane from Gold Beach is 58 years old and middle income and says she can't afford the

$1,000 a month increase I would pay more for insurance than any other expense in my life. Hey, welcome to America is what I want to say, Bucco. I shouldn't say, I'm not, hey, I don't know Diane. I'm sure she's a very nice woman. What I am doing at the end of the year here is doing all the medical I can before my insurance expires. Because come January 1st, I'm not sure I will even have insurance. So if something major happens, it could bankrupt me. You know, that's a really interesting statement. So what that tells you is that

Diane apparently is a seriously big health insurance user if she's talking about, boy, I better get all this stuff done before the end of the year. That's something that struck me, you know, reading that story this morning. Diane says other people in her community have received similar letters. Oregon Health Insurance Marketplace says they're seeing the potential impact of people losing financial assistance, especially with seniors and people living in rural areas. So that's where the stories are coming from right now, in an attempt, I think, to buttress the Democrats changes that, you know, we have to keep, we have to extend the temporary subsidies forever. Remember, the subsidies, which were supposed to be temporary in nature due to COVID.

So I can't say specifically about this. But what I'm trying to figure out, though, is how these tax credits are structured. I'm just spitballing or just thinking out loud here with you this morning. because why would the health care marketplace be raising it because of the expiration of the tax credits because the tax credits should be going to Diane, right? If you have tax credits, they wouldn't be going to the insurance company or are the tax credits going to do the insurance company.

I don't know. I'm a little confused about this. And so, yeah, some people, might have to pay more, is $1,200, well, $1,200 a month, that's not, that's not cheap, but that also tells me that this is someone with some pretty heavy, pre-existing conditions of some sort. That's what it's sounding like to me. It's not sounding like a particularly healthy individual if she's talking about, hey, I better go in and get all this stuff done while the insurance is going. Of course, that is the whole problem is that we no longer have insurance,

All of what we have insurance now is really, in essence, prepaid medical. And when you have so many things covered, it's no longer insurance, and hence it's not really priced like insurance. And I don't know. Anyway, I find that interesting story over on KOBI5. What else do we have going on? Oh, yes. The ads are going out there and the Creekside Quarter Measure 15-238. We're going to be voting on that in the city of Medford next month, early in November for the next election.

And they have a website up, by the way, imploring you to vote yes on Measure 15-238. This is the Creekside development. This is the whole talk about the ball stadium. And after talking with Fred Herman last week, he said he would love to have the Eugene Emeralds come here. But he thinks, and he used stronger terms when he talked to me off air, but that, in essence, whoever came up with the idea of shoehorning a ball stadium right next to the freeway in downtown Medford should be fired from the city of Medford. He kind of said words to that effect. But, you know, if you want to get that project that Fred Herman thinks should be getting someone in the city of Medford fired for having proposed in the first place, then you vote yes on Messer 15-238.

so let's go to the to the website I'm here on creaksidequarter dot com what is on the ballot will my taxes go up no Medford residence taxes will not go up ballot measure 15-238 is not a property utility or sales tax yet

remember you know rogue X it is a fee that visitors pay when they stay overnight in Medford This measure allows for an increase of up to 2% of the current fee. Okay. So the motel tax would go from 11% to a maximum of 13%. What does a yes vote on Measure 15-238 mean?

It's the first step to accomplishing the Creekside Quarter Vision. I hope it's not like the Vision 2040. But anyway, it will allow the city of Medford to increase the current fee that is collected from visitors. verbos, A, B, and B's, things like that. And it will be invested into a conference center within the Creekside Quarter Development Project. God, that has been like their wet dream for the community for a long, long time.

It is important to note that this measure is not property, utility, or sales tax. This measure allows for an increase of up to 2%. Okay. Who is paying for Creekside Quarter? Now, see, this is always the interesting part, because remember they say that we're not paying for it, but Creekside Quarter is a public-private development project. In fact, nearly 90% of the financing for this initiative will come from private investments, which underscores the city's commitment to fostering a collaborative approach to enhancing our community. This strategy has proven successful in previous projects, such as Lithu Commons, one West Main in the Element Hotel.

Okay, so if it is 90% financed privately, that is implying that 10% comes from us in one form or another? Would this mean that it also comes from us for giving property taxes? You know, they might otherwise be paid by this. is one of these things like an urban renewal sort of things? These are the sort of questions, I think, I'd like to ask Nick Card or one of the other city counselors. But anyway, they say, by leveraging private investments, the city reduces the financial burden on taxpayers

while ensuring that the benefits of the Creekside Quarter Project are maximized for everyone involved. Now, I know you being an American, you being an American, are thinking that it's not really our job to pay anything for a public project or this public, I'm sorry, this private project, ostensibly public. Public usually means that, you know, taxpayers or taxes in one form or another end up paying for this. Hmm.

But that's not the way business has done these days. So I guess I'll just, you know, suck my thumb and continue on. Let's see what else is going. Another portion of the funding will come from Measure 15 to 38. Some of it the city reduces the financial burden on taxpayers. Well, remember, they're not saying that there's not a burden on taxpayers. Do you know that? I think you have to read this very carefully.

By leveraging private investments, the city reduces the financial burden on taxpayers. while ensuring that the benefits are maximized for everyone involved. It didn't say eliminate. Did you notice that? It said reduce. So there is still obviously through that verbiage, it would seem to me that there is still a burden on the taxpayers. And we know the way the city of Medford works along with every other city around here.

The whole purpose of we people are to go out. out there and somehow facilitate public-private partnerships because the good old boy wants it. The good old boy and the good old girl network wants it. And by the way, this is not that I wouldn't like to see this kind of stuff, but there's always, there's always a hidden cost in here. Now, the increase in the hotel motel tax is normally something that would end up going into city coffers to a certain extent, and some of it would also go into that racket known as Travel Medford. From what I understand it, does get a cut of this, too, which is to increase tourism, that sort of thing.

All right. What happens to Hawthorne Park? We're glad you asked. They actually didn't say that. The Creekside Quarter Vision brings exciting new opportunities for Medford with a modern conference center in baseball stadium. Okay, so they are calling, this is the baseball stadium that Fred Herman says is the dumbest idea he's ever heard.

While still ensuring that portions of Hawthorne Park remain as welcoming green space. So Hawthorne Park then disappears and is then really for like a little welcome mat then for the conference center. These revitalized areas will provide places for families to gather, play, and enjoy the outdoors, preserving the spirit of the park as a community treasure, even as it grows into something more vibrant. vibrant and dynamic. Yeah, it's certainly vibrant and diverse right now with the homelessness folks that tend to hang out there most of the time. But that is, of course, the part they don't mention about the Hawthorne Park is that the revitalization means that it will be a lot, lot, lot, lot smaller.

But, you know, you've got to sell the sizzle, you know, that kind of thing. So there we go. Is there a might, this is also on the frequently asked. questions. Is there a minor league baseball team coming to Medford and what will the stadium host besides baseball games? The Amarolds have expressed interest in moving to Medford, it says, saying we're moving to Medford because this community lives and breathes baseball. Translation, we're an easy mark. Our goal is to create a true gathering place for families supporting local businesses and create memories for generations. This move is about

growing the sport, sparking new traditions and making an impact far beyond the ballpark. The proposed ballpark stadium would host the Emeralds, a minor league team. For about 66 home games each year, the stadium will also be a flexible venue for concerts, open air fairs, community markets, as well as youth and adult sporting activities, tournaments, and leagues. Overall, the baseball stadium aims to boost, rather. Okay, here it is what they're saying. it aims to boost economic growth through tourism.

This is the biggest pile of nonsense that I have ever heard. Nobody is going to be getting on a plane and flying into Medford to see the Eugene Emeralds. They don't do it right now in Eugene to see the emeralds. Bill London, grumpy bill, Ardus guy, who does the rest of the news out here just in the next few minutes. He's been all over this thing, right from the beginning. And he said, Bill, you had the same 1,500 to 2,000 people every day at the Eugene Emerald's Games.

They were locals. So how this ends up spurring economic growth through tourism, maybe you can explain that to me. You want to have a ball game or you want to have a ball team because it's kind of nice. You can hang your, you know, hang your name on it. Okay, fine. But please, don't try to say that this will be about generating tourism. It is not like you are bringing the San Francisco Giants to southern Oregon. It's going to be coming from the local community.

It's going to be an entertainment. It's going to be another example of sports entertainment. That's what it's really going to be, isn't it? You can read more, by the way, creaksidequarter.com. so pardon me for having read some of these frequently asked questions in trying to translate them through the okay this is what the good old boy network wants you to think here's what i think it really means if you have any translations further go ahead and call 7705633 this is the bill mire's show hi it's john at wellburn's weapons southern oregon suppressor headquarters come check out our large selection of in-stock silencers handguns rifles and shotguns If you're looking to buy, sell, consign, or even trade firearms, come see us and let's talk.

Just download the free upside app and use promo code, cool, for a 25 cents per gallon bonus on your first tank. That's code, cool, for a 25 cents per gallon bonus. News Talk 1063, KMED. This is the Bill Myers Show. Join you right now is Jeff Dornick. He's the founder and CEO of Pickax. I really enjoy talking with him the last couple of times he's been on here.

and finding out more about Pickax is a social media platform built on absolute freedom of speech and freedom of reach, which is very different from most social media. Fair enough, Jeff. Welcome back to the show. Good morning. No, yeah, definitely. Thank you. I appreciate and I always enjoy our conversations. And it's interesting, specifically when you're talking about the freedom of speech and freedom of reach, is that I think a lot of things we take for granted on the social media platforms that we have free speech. So, like, if you go on to X, you go on to Facebook or whatever platform you're talking about, Yeah, you could theoretically say the vast majority of the things that you want,

but, you know, they may not kick you off like they used to, but what they're going to do is they're going to artificially limit your ability to be seen, sometimes even to your own audience that have already stated that they follow you and want to see your content simply based upon the topics or your opinion that you're discussing. So, you know, you may have quote-unquote freedom of speech, but if you don't have freedom of reach and you're artificially limited, do you really have freedom of speech? Yeah, well, and of course we're not talking about freedom of speech as in government restriction where you're speaking of freedom of speech when it comes to, you know, of course, a private company can sit there and throttle you back. It is their network after all, you know, that sort of thing. And that's, you know, the way it gets explained. But I remember what it was like in the early days of social networks, networking, rather, where all you had to do was practically burp something out that was even relatively semi-interesting. And, you know, you'd reach a thousand people, a couple of times.

thousand people, you know, kind of like, you know, just that. And now everything is about it kind of like restricting and dialing it down, or I guess perhaps having paid reach, right? And that's part of the economic model of a lot of these social media companies. You know, it definitely is that, you know, even if you look at Instagram, I've spoken with a lot of different creators and influencers that are on Instagram. And one of the things that they say, and I've looked into this even more, is that about any one single post that you post on Instagram, they will artificially limit your audience that's chosen to follow you to about 3% can actually see any one single post unless you pay Instagram in order to promote your post to your own followers.

So, again, you know, you could earn an audience of 100,000 followers, 500,000 followers, but less than 3% of those followers will actually see. any one single post. And again, this is one of those problems where when you're talking about freedom of speech, you go back to the First Amendment, the way the founding fathers originally intended it to be, you had freedom of speech, which was your ability to go down your local town square and verbally say whatever you want without restriction from the government. And then you had freedom of the press, which is where you, you as an individual, not a big conglomerate, you know, journalist organization, but you as an individual could write out your grievances

on a piece of paper, go down your local printing press, print out pamphlets, as many as you wanted, without restriction from the government and go out and pass them out in your town square. What's happening right now is as if they had said, well, yes, you can write out whatever you want that piece of paper, but you can only print 20 pamphlets, or you know, you have this position so you can only print 10. They're artificially limiting your ability for distribution, which is, you know, if you're going to claim to be a free speech platform as X is and some these other platforms, then you should not be having an artificial limit on your distribution. And that's what Pickax is about. And what's the website and where do you get the app, huh?

Yeah, definitely. So with Pickax, you just go to a website right now. It's P-I-C-K-A-X.com, pickax.com. And then the app is dropping here in the next couple of weeks. We're beta testing it out right now for both iOS and Android. All right, very good. I'll definitely have you back when you do that because I want to try that out. All right. Jeff, I wanted to go into a story that, you know, ultimately, when I hear a Democratic report coming out, I will admit I am a man of the right and I am primed to knee jerk that, okay, this is a Democratic report, so it's probably full of Bullstein, according to my view of the world. But this latest one, I'm kind of wondering about Bernie Sanders ended up saying this report that the Democrats ended up dropping

yesterday, saying that AI created by multi-billionaires, as Bernie would say, will knock out a hundred million jobs. That's a big claim. And I guess the question I would have, you're a high-tech entrepreneur, and is Bernie right? Are the Democrats right in this particular case? What say you? Honestly, Bernie Sanders is absolutely correct, although you can make the argument that he's

actually technically wrong because he's actually underselling. the potential that the AI has in replacing jobs. So I've, I've been long saying, if you listen to guys like Elon Musk and Bill Gates and Sam Altman, that they're not talking about 100 million jobs, which is about a third of the, of the, you know, U.S. population. What these guys are actually talking about is replacing all human workers in the workforce. And so while Bernie Sanders is on the right track, he hasn't actually gone far enough in this report. And the interesting thing about Bernie Sanders specifically is, you know, going all the way back to when he was running for president and all that, he was right about a lot of things, but his solutions were the

problem. And I think a lot of times people on the right, it was easy to discount, you know, Bernie Sanders because he's a crazy left-wing socialist. Well, because the solutions were always of a socialistic nature, which was just going to be out of the frying panning into the fire in my point of view, you know? Exactly. And the, and the, and the, it's thing is that when Bernie was running for president, he and Trump were actually very aligned in a lot of the problems that they were facing. They just had very different solutions. So I think especially when you're looking at the Democrats, Bernie Sanders and Federman, and there's a handful of Democrats that when you listen to them, I agree with

the majority of the problems that they're calling out. I just disagree with the solutions. In this instance, you know, when you look artificial intelligence, AI is coming for white-collar jobs with the optimist robots that Elon Musk is developing that's AI-driven, those are going to be coming for blue-collar jobs. Elon already has a diner that's set up in West Hollywood right now that is staffed by Optimus Robot, so your waiters and waitresses and bartenders and all that are Optimus robots. He does? Literally.

You know, I've not heard much about this. Has it been kind of kept kind of quiet or on the down low on this? No, it's actually a popular spot. It's a Tesla diner, basically, and you can go up there and you can try. charge your Tesla, and they've got screens everywhere. You can watch, you know, TV or whatever it is. But you can actually go into the diner, and the diner is staffed by Optimus robots. Like, you know, as, you know, kind of like letting people know, hey, this is the future.

And again, if you listen to these guys talk, they're not just coming for replacing white color jobs. They're not just coming for replacing hourly workers. They're coming for every single job on the planet. Elon is predicting that within the next several years, there's going to be, one billion optimist robots roaming the earth, walking down the street right alongside you. Like, this is their endgame. A question is, though, we've been told for a while here now to go to college, and then they figured

out, well, college isn't working on for a lot of people, because now we're looking at open AI and various other, you know, large language models are taking a lot of the entry-level high-tech world kind of jobs, okay? even writing code is now being, you know, you don't have, you don't need humans to write code. You can have the code write the code, right? That's essentially what we're looking at these days. And when you end up going to the robots then, what is left for humans to do? Maybe this is the Nirvana that they've been talking about.

This is like the perfect society. We don't have to do anything and what we all sit around on universal basic income. Is that the vision of sorts? Well, I think to answer is that, you know, a couple of years ago, Elon must have down with Benjamin Netanyahu. They had a conversation about the future of artificial intelligence, and Netanyahu was interviewing Elon and asked them, okay, so what's the end game with AI? Where is it taking us? What's going on? And Elon explained to Netanyahu, it's going to go in one of two directions. And the one is Terminator, where the robots take over, and we are either subservient or we're in a constant battle for power over the AI.

robots. The other is what he described as Heaven on Earth. And Yahoo, logically, I'm okay, great. Let's describe Heaven on Earth. We know what Terminator looks like. What does Heaven on Earth look like? Heaven on Earth looks like AI robots replace everybody's jobs. We no longer have to work. Our brains are connected to the Internet, so then now we can just think something, and then we have a 3D printer that can print it. We want some food. We can instantly think about it, and it'll print the food right there. Yeah, kind of like the Star Trek replicator of sorts kind of world. Exactly. Exactly. And then we're all on universal basic income because we don't have to work. And they've actually, they've actually rephrased the terminology to where

these big tech guys are no longer calling it universal basic income. They're now calling it dividends, which means that, you know, they will pay us as the people who they replaced our jobs. They'll pay us a dividend from the revenue that they're coming in from artificial intelligence. So it's basically a privatized universal basic income, which is even more terrifying when you think about it compared to having the universal basic income implemented by the government. Because when you think about it, if you have UBI from the government and the government goes rogue or whatever it is or they persecute you or take away your money, you can appeal it, you can go through a legal process, you have recourse. If a private entity does it, now all of a sudden they can put the

parameters up on whether or not you can receive this dividend. So if you're relying on on them for your UBI. Are you going to criticize them? Are you going to cause trouble? Are you going to actually strive for an independent humanity? Probably not, right? Exactly. Hmm, okay.

And that's the problem with the direction that's going. I would argue that these big tech companies that are developing the AI are going to be bigger and more powerful than any federal government on the planet. In essence, this is the technocracy that some have been warning us about for quite some time. The dictatorship of, in this particular, high-tech and scientific experts of sorts, right? Exactly. There will be no more need for a federal government when these guys come into power because they're going to be the ones making the decisions on whether you can buy yourself food,

on whether or not you're going to get your dividend. What are you going to do if you're reliant upon, you know, these companies for complete revenue and sustenance and sustainability? And then all of a sudden they're like, well, yeah, you have the wrong opinion. So we're going to cut you off, or we're going to only give you half of what we would normally give you. This is the kind of power that they're going to have. What is the – well, before I get to the other question that I had on my mind, I'm going to go with what my friend Matt, that text message me was talking about this. He wanted to know when you were going to come on. And he posed a great question.

Is this what getting the illegal aliens out of the United States might be really all about, the realization that they will not be needed for labor in the near future? It's definitely possible. I think part of it, you know, I think, you know, obviously you're looking at things from, you know, trying to make illegal legal so that way they can vote and the whole deal. So there's a whole bunch of things there. Also, it's also the manual labor, the blue-collar jobs are going to be the last ones to go. So the white, they're going to come for the white-collar jobs and things like that

or, you know, jobs behind a desk and all that first. And so the blue-collar jobs, you know, because everybody here in the States is trained for STEM jobs. And so you're going to have, you're going to need the blue-collar workers, at least until they can get their optimist robots to replace them. So there is that side of things. But I think also when you actually think about it, it's a lot more difficult to track and surveil people in third world countries because of the technological, you know, limitations that they have and infrastructures that they have. So if they can get more people into first world countries

where we do have all the resources and the technology in that kind of infrastructure, they can get more people under their thumb and more people under their control and into this new AI system. A question for you, Jeff. Don't you find it interesting that society has not been actually asked if this is what we want to be. Yeah. The thing is that, you know, and this is the thing that I always remind people, is that all of these things happen by our consent

as we the people's consent. And so when you think about it, the reason why these guys are becoming so powerful is because we're using their products. We're using GROC. We're using CHAPT. We're paying the however much money a month in order to get access to it. We're, you know, we're taking advantage of different technologies

and companies. using AI in order to give us a service. Why? Because it is effective, especially on the micro level. We're dealing a specific task. It is actually quite effective. The concern is when you're looking at the macro level. And so that's where we do have to take some responsibility ourselves. We are basically giving our consent by using these kinds of products. So then the question is, so what do we do? This is where I've long been calling for. We need to check out of the system. We need to figure out how can we have a parallel system? How can we be sustainable outside of the AI ecosystem? Because if we stay in the AI ecosystem, a lot of people are going to

make a lot of money in the short term, but eventually it's going to basically push everybody to the side, except for a handful of the very, very, very wealthy elites who are going to control everything and that we are going to be subservience to them. And you can argue that, you know, technically speaking, we would be slaves to these big corporations because we will be completely depended upon them for our own survival. So this is where you actually, and I can see the appeal of what the Democrats and what Bernie is talking about, it's right about this. And by the way, there are people on the right that have been bringing this up, too. It's not just, but to hear it from the Democrats, I think,

is also an important deal. I'm talking to Jeff Dornick, who's the founder and CEO of Pickax, all right? Pickax is, we talked about this being a total uncompromising free speech principle is, is free speech going to save us from this kind of a, to me, it's sort of a dystopian future, even though they're saying that, oh, it'd be so wonderful, nobody ever has to do anything because part of what makes us human, I think, Jeff, is sometimes the struggle and the work to attain something, and then it would feel like we would almost have totally purposeless lives. Isn't that essentially what the technocrats are wishing for us or envisioning for us? Well, we would. And I actually just had a psychiatrist on my show last

week, and we were talking about this very thing where it's like, you know, if AI comes in and replaces everybody's jobs, we talk about the mental health crisis that we have in this country today, like suicide rates are going to go up insanely. You know, the need for psychological drugs and all that kind of stuff is going to increase significantly when people all of a sudden don't need to work and they're just sitting around and, you know, a lot of it, if you're not working out, it's very easy to fall into depression and have mental health issues and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, it's not going to be good for humanity. And also the other, you know, I'm a Christian, and there's something in our Christian theology called sanctification. So you

have justification, which is where you become a Christian, and, you know, they basically declare you righteous. But then sanctification is the entire process where over the course of your life, you become more perfected. You become more Christ-like. That is a, a constant struggle because you are learning from your mistakes, you are, you are improving, you're all of that. What AI is actually doing, a lot of these guys are actually doing is, they're taking away that struggle and that process of becoming a better person and basically just trying to get you to skip all the difficult parts and just get to the easy part at the end. And that's a major problem because if you don't go through that process and you just go

straight to the end, you skip everything and go straight, straight to the, you know, the winning the game, so to speak. So what ends up happening is you're not actually becoming a better person. You're getting the reward without actually putting in the work. And is that... And there's already some studies that have been done on people who have been diving down the AI rabbit hole and using a lot of it. You get the... That's what you do to the human psyche.

Yeah, you get the answer, right? Okay, you're able to just get the answer without having to do the work. And then they're finding out that people aren't really comprehending the problem any longer because they just... get the answer. That kind of thing? Okay, no, absolutely. And I think that that's a whole other conversation about, you know, the problem with AI and when you have guys like Elon that are rolling out, you know, baby Grock and these AI companies are actually targeting, you know, teenagers and children now, is taking away their ability to learn critical thinking skills. So they may be able to use it

as a tool, but the problem is that they're not actually having to learn how to think and processed and do math and study science and learn history because they just have it instantaneously. Imagine how much worse it's going to be when you can actually connect your brain to the internet through, let's say, a neural link or something like that, where you can just think it and you instantly get the answer. And I always say it's like we're going to have a lot of really smart, dumb people that they have access to all the information on the internet. But will they actually know how to think? Will they know how to process? Will they know how to critically think and think through things and have their own.

Well, it's almost as if the technocrats here, Jeff, are trying to create, well, kind of using a computer term here, but assigning it to humans. Remember, the whole purpose before was that we used to have dumb terminals and big central brains, right? You know, that sort of thing. And still we had more thinking or more processing going on in our personal computers these days. They want us all turned into dumb terminals.

Isn't that it? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, definitely. And again, that's one of those things where how do you, how do you see yourself? Like to these big tech guys in Silicon Valley, they see you as a walking, talking hardware piece of computer, right, that they can program. To me, I see you as a human being created in the image of God that has certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away and that you have value just by being human. They see you as a computer, I see you as human, and you can kind of decide which side are you going to pick. Now, another question I have here is that, all right, AI and robots are doing all the work.

Where is the economic activity? I mean, where is the exchange, so to speak? Could you explain that to me? Have you given that much thought? Because normally, when I go to work and I get something, I am doing something of value and production. I'm doing something in production and I'm doing it. I'm investing the thought. I'm investing the labor. Everybody else who goes to work in their jobs, they do this too. So where is the economic activity in a AI robotic world? Where is it? You know, it's like it's there. Where is the seed corn, so to speak? Is it really only the people who invest in this stuff that are that are gaining from it or not? What do you think? Well, it reminds me of when, you know, if you go back in history, the nation of Iran used to be a free and prosperous country.

And then what they ended up doing is they ended up, you know, the radical Muslims ended up taking over Iran. But they sold it to the people of, look, you're going to get free health care, you're going to get, you know, free education, we have university, we have all this kind of stuff. They sold them basically the Bernie Sanders talking points, right? And then what ended up happening, they ended up essentially enslaving the people. establishing, you know, Islamic rule in the nation of Iran. And so they sold them with all the amazing things you can have, but they didn't sell them on all the negatives. And I think that that's what's happening with artificial intelligence. Yeah, they're going to pitch us all on, you know, you don't have to work. You get a universal basic income. You can instantly

think something and get access to anything. But in all reality, like you said, if nobody's working, then what's the point of them keeping you around? Like when you actually think about it, yeah, they can sell you on it. That's a great selling point. But then once we turn over our freedoms and our liberties and give it all over to them and that we no longer have the ability to work, now where's our sovereignty? Where's our ability to be self-reliant and self-supportive? Because now all of a sudden you've given that all over to these big tech companies

and these corporations. And now you have zero state. Now they can cut you out at any moment. And then at a certain point, now you're going to have resources. And then these companies are going to be sitting there thinking, well, do we really need to be supporting a billion people, three billion people, five billion people? Yeah, do we need seven or eight billion people? Because you would be of assessing.

Essentially, you are a burden on the system. You're not producing any economic activity or anything that is worthy other than the fact that you are human. That's all. Right. And then that's where a lot, because a lot of these guys are depopulationists, right? And so when you come in from that standpoint, then they'll be justified and say, like, well, look, we have a burden on the system, and we've got, you know, six, seven,

eight billion people on, on the planet, that's not sustainable. And so for the betterment of humanity, we're going to have to start to, you know, put priority to the younger people. And, you know, we're sorry, but we just don't have the infrastructure to take care if you're older and then that number will keep lowering and lowering and lowering. And people will say, Jeff, that's a conspiracy theory. That's crazy. What are you talking about?

Listen to the words from these guys. This is all the kinds of things that they are all. already talking about. Isn't part of the problem here that nobody wants to say it out loud, is that in essence this is a anti-human satanic agenda? Absolutely. And, you know, when you think about it, you know, again, as a Christian, you go back to Genesis 6. Genesis 6, you have the fallen angels, you know, commingled with humans, and then you have basically, you know, partial human, partial fallen angels in Genesis 6, which was the Nephilim. So today, now they're looking to combine technology with human biology.

And when you actually sit there and think about it, this is the first time in human history since Genesis 6 where they're combining human biology with something other than human biology in this sense, you know, technology. And so, you know, this is where – and then you start getting into quantum computing, and there's a lot of concerns from a lot of people that I've been doing a lot of research on, where quantum computing is actually, you know, the ultimate goal is opening up a portal and communication. with, you know, another dimension, you know, what you can look at CERN, you can look at a lot of different things in relation to this. So this is where you start getting into things like, you know, you know, is this actually a satanic agenda? Is this more than, quote, unquote, artificial intelligence at some point?

But now are you going to start getting into communication with another dimension or another realm or, you know, talking to, you know. Well, you see, the part that kind of is the tell on this, on the underpaintings of this agenda is when you hear so many of the high-tech bros that are talking about, the uploading of human consciousness, because you can tell that they don't, that they believe human consciousness is really nothing more than, oh, I don't know, a series of algorithms, I guess, for lack of better term, that you can have living inside Silicon. Am I right about that? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And the other side of things, too, especially you, because everybody, in the AI race, you're dealing with the rates for artificial intelligence dominance, but these same people are also pushing for quantum computing as well because they know that once they can get quantum computing to combine with artificial intelligence, it's like a thousandfold as powerful

as any computer that's on the planet today. But what's really interesting when you're dealing with quantum stuff is there's so many things that we don't understand that make absolutely no sense unless there is some kind of like intelligent, you know, thought or consciousness or something like that that is behind it. And there's a lot of discussions. And you listen to Tucker Carlson, you listen to Joe Rogan

and some of the experts that they talk to about this. And there is a legitimate concern that there is something that is intelligent behind the quantum computing. So when that comes in and that's combined with artificial intelligence and now you're implanting it in your brain, what are you opening yourself up to? Like that's a legitimate question that we should be asking yourself, what are you opening yourself up to besides the fact that anything that's connected to the internet is hackable? So if you connect your brain to the internet, all of a sudden you'd be hackable, especially when Elon has said that they would have the ability to erase memories or replace them with new ones. What would stop a hacker from accessing your memories and replacing

it with a new one? And you would never know because your memory was erased. These are all just things that you don't even realize that we have to consider as we're heading into this new era. So you're saying take the futurists at their word. Now, here is something that, and this has to do with the money aspect of this, there's part of the AI hype and the AI investment world that is feeling very much like, what was it a global crossing that went Banco, you know, back in the day? It was kind of like the, you know, the dot-com bubbling, bubble breaking at that time, if you recall. is there is maybe this the the weakness in the argument here that there really is no money

in AI at this point and is there ever going to really be money to match the trillions of dollars of investment that's being done right now a lot of people are saying it's feeling a lot like 1999 all over again but maybe it's different this time but you'll always hear people in the stock world say it's different this time jeff what do you think um well we we When you think about it, look at the trajectory that we're heading, we're having more and more inflation as time is going on. They're investing in sane amounts of money. You know, if we do end up hitting hyperinflation, then all these investments, basically,

it doesn't matter because the money is worthless. And so I don't think that they're making a play financially. I think they're making a play for power. Because in a new ecosystem where, you know, your dollar is, worthless now, that won't matter. What will matter is who has power, because they can just create their own financial system. I mean, they all, they all can create their own crypto. They can all, you know, figure out how, figure out a new financial system. Yeah, I guess what my point, what my point was, though, is that essentially the internet was built off of people losing

trillions of dollars on the initial buildout. And I'm wondering if that's what AI is going to be all about, too. Everybody that's, you know, the regular schmows that are going in here are, are going to be hosed sooner rather than later, but the infrastructure is there. You know what I mean? That kind of thing in order to... Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think that there is an AI race, and, you know, there's obviously, you know, XAI, there's Oracle, China is trying to, and whoever really dominates first, it becomes the first dominant force, will be the one that is the most powerful entity on the planet. And so China is trying to get there. And then you have a handful of American companies

and organizations that are trying to get there. And there is this race for basically world dominance. And I think that it's really going to come down to who gets there first, who is able to combine the quantum computing with artificial intelligence. Because once you get to that point, now all of a sudden, now, you know, whoever's the top dog will basically have access to anything and everything. There's concerns that there's going to be no encryption at all because AI will be able to decode any kind of encryption.

So CIA has already written a bunch of reports about their concerns about cybersecurity, you know, in this new world of AI. There's going to be no more privacy. They'll have access to anything and everything. And then there's not really a whole lot that any of us, including governments, can actually do about it. And guess what? They can create their own cryptocurrency. They can create their own economic system. They can create their own incentives in order to get you to comply.

There's so many things that all come along with AI. And they're investing so much money because they know it's not about the quote unquote return on investment financial. It's the return on investment from a power standpoint. Yeah, to me, that is a great takeaway from that, Jeff. I appreciate that. I'm going to grab a call. We had a caller sitting online here with you. We don't got a lot of time left with Jeff.

We've already overstayed his welcome, or I've overseed the welcome in his life. But who is this caller? Go ahead. Welcome. Yeah, Ron Grant's Pass. I want to point out that if we get an electromagnetic pulse, that all of this electrically-based services will go to hell and we'll all of you back to the Stone Age, and whatever you know is all you have,

if you don't basically be able to survive by using a hammer or a hand saw or something of that nature and have the resources to rebuild whatever is falling apart and to deal with your neighbors on a barter basis, then you're going to be better in the water. All right. I appreciate the call. Thanks for that. You think he has a point there. Is the AI world vulnerable, you think, to being taken out that easily? extremely vulnerable, and especially because we keep centralizing, you know, our capabilities. I mean, there was just the FBI just exposed a huge SIM card scandal that was happening in New York and New Jersey where they found hundreds of thousands of SIM cards where that was tied to China where they could actually send out thousands and thousands of text messages

and actually shut down the entire, all the cell towers and the entire infrastructure, you know, just with having a bunch of SIM cards. It shows how vulnerable our system is. So imagine what happens where we're relying. upon, you know, the electrical grid. I live out here in Communist California, and it's like, we're, you know, we deal with brownouts, we deal with blackouts, we deal with, with, you know, all sorts of infrastructure things. Imagine what all it would take would be, you know, China were one of our enemies doing one thing to shut down the electrical grid. And then imagine you have everybody that's connected to the internet, all of our cars, all of our

vehicles, everything that we're doing is now shut down. Now what do we do? We have a bunch of people that don't actually know how to take care of themselves and support themselves. You know, it's really interesting. You know, Jeff, what really is really interesting to me when I look at the conversations we're having because everything about AI and this world, which is being developed right now, seems to be about centralizing, centralizing command and control at a very deep level.

And yet, the people of the world in some ways are acting out and wishing to be decentralized evermore and actually running their communities as they see fit. Don't you find that interesting when you look at it in the grand scheme? Yeah, and especially from like a technological standpoint, it's like the more we centralize, and this is one of my concerns about, you know, President Trump and working with Palantir and Oracle and all that, where they're trying to centralize all the databases. There's a reason why we decentralize it, and it's for our own safety and security.

The more you centralize, the easier it is in order for a hacker or a bad asset, to get access to all the information. Whereas if you decentralized, and this was kind of the original intent of our family fathers was we would have a very decentralized system. And that's why we had multiple states. Within each state, you had cities, you had local families,

local communities. And then that way, there were checks and balances to our governmental system, to our national security, to all these different kinds of things. But the problem is that with how centralized everything is becoming, is giving us a lot of vulnerabilities where, sure, you may have some of the best security around,

but it only takes once to get past, you know, the top-notch security, and then the whole system collapses. Jeff Dornick, founder and CEO of Pickax, Social Media Platform built onto Uncompromising Principles, freedom of speech, freedom of reach, pickax.com, newest book, following the leader, and you also do your own online show. I'll put all that information up. incredibly stimulating conversation, Jeff, and I look forward to to exploring this more. And you are not a lud-eyed in any way, but you are bringing up, hey, you know, when you actually listen to the high-tech people, pay attention to them and believe them when they say this is where they see it going. Is that our takeaway from our talk right now?

Oh, yeah. That is definitely the takeaway. It's one thing if they're trying to pitch all the nice positive things, but when they're literally telling you, we want to replace your jobs, listen to it because they actually need it. All right. Jeff, thanks so much for the call. Great having you on this morning and I appreciate you waking up early in California, okay? Be well. Of course. Thank you. This is KMED, KMED HD-1, Eagle Point Medford, KBXG Grants Pass. Ran a little bit long with Jeff, but it was such a, you know, sometimes when you're right in the battle of it, a great conversation like that, you just stick with it, you know? For precision and for...