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Episode Date: October 8, 2025

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And then we have the farming talk with Herman. It was pretty heavy. It was all good, but pretty heavy. But yeah, that's when I like talking about what's going on on the road. And we have Jeff. Jeff's in Selma. Hey, Jeff. What's going on with you today, huh?

Morning. Hey, Bill. Well, I didn't want to take up any wheels up Wednesday time with Eric, but he did mention that, you know, the reason for manufacturers going overseas. I didn't quite agree with because manufacturers saw that the blender for 19. 1999 at Bymart was being sold over their 79-99 blender at Buy-Mart. True. And Walmart was the biggest factor in Chinese production. Because, and if you go back to Sam Walton, he was proud of stuff made in the USA,

and they used to advertise that. I don't think there's any way, though, that you can get away with, Well, I'm trying to phrase this delicately. You're not going to have your overall, from what I've read, now I'm just spitballing here, okay, the average manufacturing wage, if you were also to include benefits and insurance and everything, the actual cost of someone to sit there and build a widget in the United States, you know, averages, 30, 30. regulations he was talking. Yeah, 30, 35 bucks an hour, okay? On average. And, you know, and everybody's, everybody got to get paid.

You know what I'm saying? And so here's the issue there. $35 an hour is not the same as the equivalent of five or six. I don't think there's any way you wash that out just by adding it a year. Where am I, where am I wrong about that? Well, the fact remains that the person, you know, they're going to save money wherever they can. And, you know, we're going back 1998, right? And we're in by Martin.

And that's when they started bringing in, that's why I brought up the blenders. They started bringing in the $20 blenders, right? And the $10 toaster, by the way. Well, yeah. And right next to it is the oster for $80. And I told my wife, I said, you watch, they're going to start bringing this in, if we're going to buy that, they're going to, once they get everything made over there, and at the low price, they're going to jack the prices up.

So that did happen, but now when you add the tariffs, it's going to go even higher. And the thing I don't like about what Trump is doing, just like with the steel back in 2016 when he did that tariff, you don't have the infrastructure yet. You don't have the manufacturing facilities. You can put the tariff on. How long are they going to take the tool up a plant to build anything? Yeah, because essentially all you're doing is screwing your own folks here for the time being. and of course, and this is something where I disagree with Trump on this,

when Trump talks about, oh, we got millions, hundreds of millions of dollars rolling into the federal government, I don't care. You know, that's the, and I think most people are thinking of the same thing. We've got all this money. Okay, who's ultimately paying it? It's the customer. There's no way of trying to obscure, well, they try to obscure that part about it, but ultimately, you being the end user or the end-purchase server,

will always be the one doing it. Now, if you're saying that we're going to reduce your income taxes because we're going to run the country on tariffs, well, hey, you can have that conversation then, I suppose. If you've ever seen the Animal Farm cartoon, it's like Napoleon, you know, scrolling open the windmill blueprints going, here's my plans for Animal Farm, you know. We fight ourselves in interesting times, that is for sure,

And yet you do understand that President Trump is ultimately trying to, you know, restart that manufacturing. I don't know if that works because no matter what you do at this point in time, American manufacturing costs due to the regulatory impact of that same federal government and state government and all the rest of it is considerably more expensive. It's kind of like what I was talking about at the beginning of last hour, which I was saying, hey, you know, it's like you hear all these people in Oregon State government complaining about. Oh, the taxes are going down. Oh, they're blowing a hole in this. They never talk about trying to restore economic activity. They're never doing that. At least Trump's trying to restore economic activity.

I'll give them credit for that. Yeah, we'll throw up on that one. Yeah, exactly. Okay, Vicky and the Applegate. Yeah. She's been talking about that El Camino for probably about a year now. If she doesn't have Internet, which means she doesn't have any email, But right now I'm helping someone with cleaning out their husband's collection.

And if she would like some assistance on that, you know, identifying car parts and things. If she wants to get a hold of you and you can pass on my information to her. I sure will. And I've actually kicked around the idea of doing this as a, I guess, business, if you will, I've seen, especially when scrap prices were high, you know, the widow ladies were just having car crushers brought in and crushing everything that was on the property. And you're going, no, no, don't do that. Oh, absolutely.

Well, and that, you know, kind of a related story, you know, when you're talking about silver being in the neighborhood of 50 bucks an ounce right now, which is what they're talking about. there is talk about lots of sterling and lots of silver artwork that's about to be crushed because every time the price gets this high, that's what starts. It doesn't get crushed. It gets melted down. You know what I'm getting at? That sort of thing.

That's kind of like the misnomer of scrap gold. Have you seen the ads that we'll buy your scrap gold? Is there any such thing? Not in my view, but scrap meaning that, hey, could be part of a necklace or something that, you know, unconnected, nothing that you're... Maybe scrap is just something you're not using. How about that? It sounds unconnected with reality from me.

Yeah, especially at $4,000 an ounce, huh? Yeah, my share. All right. All right. Well, Jeff, I'll try to get you hooked up with Vicki and the Applegate to see if we can get that El Camino taken care of, okay? Thanks. Bill, have a great day. Thank you. You have a great day, too.

Not so crazy's here, too. Gene, what's on your mind, huh? Welcome. Well, I would think of all the problems we have with the automobiles are moving around and it'd be coming so hard and difficult and expensive to do? What if we had the pharmaceutical companies give a shot that you could take, just like Jeff Goldblum in the movie, to fly? Well, that would turn it into a fly, and we would not have to worry about cars anymore

because we'd be flying everywhere. Oh, yeah. Now, see, that's a great theory when you think about it. You know, instead of worrying about moving our little human, meat sacks everywhere around the planet then we just we just turn ourselves genetically into a fly and and then uh what was that haywood bank song i'm looking at the world through flies eyes looking at the world through flies eyes and you can just buzz off okay yeah it uh i mean you wouldn't have to worry about eating because we all know what flies eat there's plenty of it and then uh and uh also

So, I mean, as far as getting hit, having an accident, well, have you ever tried to hit a fly, and it just won't cooperate? Well, no, you have to be a genetically modified fly, so this way you're even, you know, super sensitive to being smacked by the newspaper or whatever you get hit by these days. All right, Gene, thanks for the fun. It's 21 after 7. The Medford Rifle and Pistol Clubs fall gun.

We're going to talk a bit about that monitoring of the Congress critters here, just a little bit. Leslie Corbly, who's an attorney, looking into this story. It's also written a really interesting book. We'll talk about that, the devouring mother. I'll tell you more about that here in the next few minutes. Some emails of the day, emails of the day, and those are sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson, Central Point Family Dentistry, it's next to the Mazadlan Mexican restaurant in Central Point.

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Central Point Family Dentistry.com. Richard Corbyn writes me this morning. Boy, a lot of people writing me about the big creek side development, the half-billion dollar proposal including the Ball Stadium, and of course the measure that were going to be voting on in November to give the City Council permission to raise hotel taxes. But says, Bill, I've noticed that the campaign signs are going up

supporting this measure, 15-238. Also noticed the signs didn't say a word as to what the measure is about. which of course is the beginning salvo to get the huge baseball park convention center hotels and lots of money for a few people a done deal i don't live in metford so if the county doesn't have to pony up any money then i don't have to pay for this giant mess that will never pay its own way but bill mire will have to cough up some of his cash to do the job number one this will greatly increase traffic in downtown metford in an area already filled with traffic problems number two the increased vehicle traffic will also increase air pollution which is not an issue in downtown Medford. Number three, additional police will be required to control traffic and handle the accidents. Number four, increased traffic may make it more difficult for emergency vehicles to make it through. Five, the increasing traffic will put pedestrians and bike riders at more risk. Six, getting on or off the freeway going to or from the massive development will be a problem, and from the illustrations I've seen, it would appear that most of Hawthorne Park

will be taken for the development. What happened to the hue and cry that cities must have open green spaces for people to use and enjoy. Well, they're looking for an open green space for a ball team, Richard. They like that. Probably be Bermuda. I'm kidding, but. Number nine, does anybody really think that people will come from across America to attend a minor league baseball event, much less people here in Oregon?

As far as the convention center is concerned, there's already one at the north end of Medford that is empty and apparently abandoned. The end broke, as there wasn't much interest in holding conventions in Medford. The city probably could take that over and use it instead of wasting more money. Well, Richard, that convention center, pretty old, pretty old. And last time I understand it, that's the Rwana. I think you're talking about wasn't that homelessness? It was like homeless apartments.

I remember they'd always come out there to the Chevron over there by Sherms. Sometimes it got a little sketchy at night. I don't think there's any saving that particular one at the moment. Randy and Ashland says, hey, Bill, you'd think the Greenies would be up in arms against the proposed removal of green space for a structure that will emit tons of carbon dioxide. This is the ball stadium. Seems the city of Metford is bent on making one mistake after another. I-5 should have been routed along North Phoenix Road instead of through the middle of town. If a ballpark is planned in the middle of town, the Tencil Town parking lot will be overloaded

with ball fan cars, eliminating parking for the businesses that pay for the parking lot. There is vacant property at Ross Anley and Sage that would be perfect for a ballpark. It's close to the freeway. airport and has twice the space of Hawthorne. But then once the bureaucracy gets something in their head, there's no changing it. Metford is doomed if they go ahead with destroying a piece, a place for family fun, replacing it with a seldom used facility that ruins the neighborhood. So dumb, that it's Randy in Ashland. We have another one asking questions from Bob and Medford. No public subsidies other than the motel tax to build it? Who's going to pay for police presence when the

stadium has a concert. Who's going to pay police presence and clean up along the creek and other properties? Who's going to pay for police when an event draws traffic to the facilities? Could be the people, Bob, that are putting on the event, possibly. I'm thinking that. Who pays for the extension of infrastructure such as sewer lines? When the streets have to be upgraded or replaced with new overlays, who's going to pay? New traffic controls? Who's going to pay partial support via stadium lease when it turns out the emeralds aren't viable? Who wants to invest in downtown vibrancy, such as restaurants when unused bike lanes prevent close-by parking. Interesting point. Bob, I appreciate you raising these issues. Bob Shan says, Bill,

deceptive marketing tactic, the baited buy-in scam. The baited buy-in scam is a deceptive marketing tactic where a seller advertises a product and an attractive price to lure customers in the bait only to pressure them into purchasing a more expensive. or inferior alternative. The switch. Are you implying that's what's going on here? Bob. Appreciate you emailing.

Carlton says, vote by mail. Greetings, Bill. Question for the county clerk in elections office. Now that we know the government has shown that forgery can be automated with Biden's pen, what training are the elections officers getting in to validate ballot envelopes by AI? Have a nice day. That's interesting.

And let's see, what else is going? All right. I'll say there are more emails than I have time to deal with it. But there's a lot of good ones, a lot of good ones, though, including one that says, Bill, don't you roll your eyes sometimes with some of the listeners' comments? Sometimes, if you're watching me on Facebook, but I try to be polite. Hi, good morning. This is Bill.

Who's this? Hey, Bill. I was just giving you a traffic report that there was a wreck on five southbound at Tolo Road. Really? And five backed up all the way past exit 41. So if anybody's going south on five, I find a different route or else you can park and hang out with other people standing outside your cars doing nothing today. At this point, Dennis, can you get to the Gold Hill exit at 40 or do you have to get off at that later? You'd have to get off at Rock Point at 43.

Okay, all right. So if you're headed Southbound, there's no getting there from here right now. get off at uh at rock point okay got it all right all right hey appreciate the tip really do this is the bill mire's show malek construction thinks don't you forget about me recorded by simple minds for the breakfast call i call for details internet and cell phone service not provided by dish hi i'm charlene owner of american industrial door and i'm on 106.7 kmED leslie carbly joins me she's an author attorney a poet that's an interesting combo and she is also the author of an interesting book

I'd like to learn more about it's progressive prejudice exposing the devouring mother well I love that title Leslie how are you doing this morning welcome to the show doing great thanks much for having me okay so so an attorney and a poet and a columnist too okay

I find attorney and a poet an unusual combination where you always that way or did you develop it just to get away from the law stuff sometimes. Gosh, yes and no, I guess. I've always loved writing and literature. And so I wrote a series of analytic poems critiquing progressive culture, so specifically sort of progressive philosophy.

So I have a lot of, like, philosophy and sort of law baked in, but it uses meter and rhyme, like, so it borrows some classical literature in that way. So, yeah, it is a bit of a weird combo. At some ways, I've always been that way, but law is very, very heavily on the analytic side. So I thought throwing some cultural and, I don't know, just something a little less. In other words, some right brain activity, right? Yeah. Kind of nice.

Okay. Well, tell me then about this latest creation. And I think it comes into the weaponization of everything that we see in. This book of yours, Progressive Prejudice exposing the Devouring Mother. I mean, the imagery is something. But where are you going on this? because I think I know where you're going with the devouring mother because it's the state of Oregon.

It's kind of the way the state of Oregon government tends to work, but I was wondering if you could explain that for everybody else. Sure. So I used to the phrase a devouring mother because it's the archetype of female predation. So it's the weaponization of compassion and care. So I'm not sure if you're familiar with the disorder much-housand-by proxy, but it's actually almost exclusively perpetrated by women against usually their children or someone else who's in their care.

care. And what they do is they create fictitious disorders that they medicate the individual for and that sort of thing. And again, it's the idea that the devouring mother uses those in her care as a way to prop up her own power and self-aggrandizement rather than actually taking care of the dependence needs. So it's the weaponization. Think of it as a weaponization of dependency. see. Well, or the weaponization of the positive side of the feminine, isn't it, really? The positive side of the feminine? It absolutely is. And the reason, one reason I use that is because the book is both autobiographical and also critiques progressive culture heavily. And the reason for that is that I think there's so, so much missing in our culture when we talk about the malvolent side of femininity.

And the reason I say that is that we have, for example, if you take men and women relationships between men and women, we have a really easy time understanding and culture right now, how dependency of a woman on a man can be weaponized, right? We understand a man could take advantage of that kind of care-based role. And so, oh, my gosh, she could easily take advantage of her. How is she going to get out, you know, if she doesn't have her own income streams, for example. And again, I'm not saying that's bad. I think it's good to understand that. but we don't have a corresponding understanding of how that actually works with children, right? So children are very, very dependent on their mothers.

And according to progressive logic, that dependency at its earliest stages, and yes, I'm absolutely referring to abortion, is something that the mother can take advantage of, right? So the mother can create human life and destroy it on a whim. So we don't really have, I don't think, an understanding of the dark side of women taking advantage of dependency. And that usually looks like a woman either be a child or, again, maybe a disabled individual. I don't know. It's more rare than it's a woman taking advantage of a man, right? Because it's less common of a dynamic.

Leslie, you said this is kind of autobiographical. Is this like your journey to understanding this weaponization of the feminine in our modern culture? Yes. I would say yes in some ways. I mean, I grew up with a really weird. I have a very, very strange childhood, and I was homeschooled before that was at all popular, and my mother actually referred to me commonly as half-aborted. And so I had this very interesting journey, sort of existential journey, both to becoming a Christian,

but alongside that was a lot of criticism in my own mind of progressive culture. So I was growing up very, I wasn't a Christian, I wasn't really religious growing up, but I was not at all left wing. I found the sort of moralization and self-righteousness of those on the left to be very off-putting because I thought it was incredibly hypocritical for, and this is obviously generally speaking, those on the left to be so critical of Christianity and God and yet so willing to grant God-like powers to women that they never critique, right? to this idea, for example, that my mother, who was deeply abusive, had some right to kill me, I thought was very, like, very gruesome and gross in a way. Yeah, well, how do you deal with, then, how did you deal with it as a young girl with a mother that would refer to you as half-aborted? I mean, to me, that is, like, creepy to the extreme, but it'd be one thing if she was, like, joking with you as a 17-year-old, and you were giving her guff, you know what I mean? getting asked you know that? No, this is the first word I learned. Like, she was just a very

terrible person. And so I don't, how did I deal with it? Well, I knew it was very taboo, so I didn't talk about it. And I knew you weren't supposed to do that. And also, I was aware, again, this is where I think the left really struggles, because obviously I'm talking about my personal story, but I think increasingly those in the public are becoming aware of how little the left cares about human dignity. And that's what they talk about a lot. They talk about, you know, those who are vulnerable and compassion and tolerance, but they don't really practice that. So I remember, for example, how odd it was feeling, knowing, oh, my gosh, if I told, let's say I took a room of 10 people and I told them about my life, at least half of them

would think I was better off not being born. And yet that same half wouldn't think I have the right to kill myself. Right. So it's a really weird, when you start to really break down what they're telling you, I just always thought the worldview was really kind of, was really perverted. That's what I always thought about progressive worldview, that it was just an inversion of what was good. I never really had any attachment to that ideology, which is interesting because I'm a

millennial, and so it's very against the grain of my generation, right? Most of, I would say, a decent number of millennials are sort of known for being progressive. Obviously, not all, but the generation, I would say, as a whole, it's pretty... But I appreciate, Leslie, how you talk it about... I've often termed it an inversion of reality, you know, in many cases, but an inversion of morality, I think, might be more correct here. You talk about this, that progressive prejudice of sorts, is that feminism, the good side of being feminine, ends up being weaponized, and is kind of given a moral sheen?

Is that kind of what you're at? And yet, when you weaponize compassion like the state of Oregon does, well, I'll give you an example of something that we're fighting through here as a matter of public policy, is the homelessness crisis. Are you aware of what we're dealing with out here on the left coast? What's going on here? Break it down for me, I would guess I do, but I don't know how it's the severity at this point. We think that under our, under feminine compassion,

The compassion, the wonderful side of women that I love so much that sometimes I wish I had a little bit more of this. Under compassion, we can't really hold homeless people to standards of conduct, nor would we want to stop them from, let's say, using lots of drugs and being completely uncooperative and just ruining their lives, and that it's morally superior to help enable the behavior. That's kind of how it works out here, and this is like official state of Oregon policy, that really is weaponized compassion, and it is bred disorder in our communities out here on the West Coast. Is it kind of what you're getting at here in progressive prejudice? Absolutely. Absolutely. That's certainly a part of it, but also the hypocrisy of how that operates.

So you talk about the enabling dynamic. That's absolutely real. But when it comes to other populations that may eminent. impact progressives in a different way. They don't really have that same enabling impulse, right? And I think abortion is a good example of that. They're very willing to accommodate, frankly, individuals. They're saying, okay, human life has so much value. We have to accommodate and enable individuals who are objectively engaging in behavior that is detrimental to society. Right.

And yet, we don't think there's any duty of a woman to take care of a human life she created. Again, I'm saying human life broadly because I think the impact, emphasis that those on the left point put on everyone having human dignity. You know, they talk about that a lot, particularly in the context of Donald Trump, that he dehumanizes people and individuals, and I don't think they can see the ways in which they do that. So abortions and example, but other examples include things like illegal immigration or mass migration, as I would call it. This is, once again, the misplaced or corrupted compassion, what you're talking about. Yes, because you, yes, because that actually impacts other people and other people. Mass migration has a lot

of negative consequences that come with it. And I'm not saying solving that problem isn't going to also have external, you know, cost. It does. But the reality is those on the left, I think, really struggle to understand, okay, when you allow some of these enabling behaviors, they actually harm other people. They harm their life, their ability to make money. You know, you see what happens with, but, you know, it's just a lot of negative consequences that come with mass mass migration and it affects other people.

And that's where I think Trump did a really good job. in the general election where he, what was the one girl's name down in Georgia who was killed by an illegal immigrant? Oh, yeah, I should have that name written and tattooed on my hand. I always forget it, and I dislike myself for having forgotten that, but I don't remember off the top of my head. Now, 40 listeners will remind me by email. You know that what's going to happen.

Yeah, but he had a rap sheet, did he not? You know, this was someone who really shouldn't have been there, you know, so this idea that you can kind of coddle criminality out of people. actually impacts the victims of those people's crimes, right? So, again, I think that those on the left have this enabling dynamic, but what they struggle to understand and look at and self-reflect upon is that this compassion they have for some groups kind of comes at a cost to others. Exactly.

The expense to the other never seems to be brought into the mathematics, the emotional mathematics of the policy. It's not, and they're not required to. That's part of it, right? There's not a lot of scrutiny. you know, think of the amount of scrutiny applied to religious and conservative individuals regarding how their world you can cause other people harm. That kind of scrutiny does not get applied in progressive spaces.

And I think that's changing for what it's worth, but it's been, you know, decades and decades of cultural dominance as it relates to the gatekeeping of ideas and morality. And so I think those on the left are flailing because they don't know how to scrutinize and justify their own ideas or why the tradeoffs they are suggesting for policy are the correct ones morally. Are we looking, Leslie. By the way, Leslie Corbly is with me. She's an attorney, poet, like we mentioned here, and also author of Progressive Prejudice, exposing the devouring mother, the archetype there. Do you think that we are in the middle of a rebalancing of the feminine and the masculine in our society? And this is what we're

witnessing as the conflict in the worldviews here right now, because the one thing I will say about most progressives that I know. Most of them, to me, have very, very big hearts. And I admire that part about it. I like genuine compassionate. I appreciate that. There's that mushy side of me. But it has not necessarily been a great governing principle for a long time here.

And do you think we're starting to rebalance right now? Or is you think a President Trump, who's definitely a daddy figure, for lack of a better term, is no way of getting away from this, is just sort of. of a temporary lull in the feminization of everything. What do you think? I wish I could say with sincerity that I believe you were correct. I think there is some rebalancing going on. I certainly think in subcultures there will be a rebalancing,

but I think that the ideologies regarding gender ideologies, I don't think those are going away. And the reason for that is twofold. The first is that extreme stereotypes for men and women do have damaging effects. obviously men and women have, you know, masculine and feminine, you know, features or traits or whatnot that they expressed in various forms, right? You had poetic men back in the day who might have been sort of mocked for not being masculine enough, that kind of thing. They weren't any less men, right? So I think that those extreme, embracing two extremes of stereotypes or roles has its own damaging effect.

Well, I would agree. I wasn't talking about embracing the extreme, though, but it would say that if there was a major battle going on, right? Now, when you agree that it's really about the corrupt feminine against the... Absolutely, but what I mean by it's difficult to get a rebalancing. My second point on there is that it's really hard to get a rebalancing in an era where you can medically sort of transform yourself increasingly into anything you desire. Oh. Because it really, do you see what I mean? There's a physical component to it as well.

And that's why the trans agenda has been pushed so hard at this point and almost different. make that a fate of company? I don't think it's really biased in pushed hard. I'm sure there's all kinds of reasons it's been pushed hard, but I think it's... Obviously, your kids are not in the Oregon school system because it's pushed hard, okay? I assure you that. Oh, no, no. I meant that I mean I think even when it's not pushed hard, even if you don't have that,

let's say you're not in that system, someone who's struggling with internal feelings or whatever it may be that are cross-gender can act that out in a way they couldn't 100 years ago. That's what I mean. So it makes it hard stamp out, because you can act it out, and you couldn't act this out 50 years ago. It just wasn't possible. And now you increasingly have the ability, not just socially, but also physically to act it out. Now, I'm not saying you're physically acting it out in the sense that you're literally becoming the opposite gender.

You're not. But what I mean is I think both of those things fuel the ideology. The ideology is pushing the science, and then the fact that science is advancing is making the ideology more tenable. believe that the ability to do this to come up with these simulacrums of fake men and fake women. Yeah. Is this the, almost the final example of what you've turned, female perpetrated violence in society? Yeah, I certainly think that's involved.

I think that the desire to enable that type of behavior is much more common among women than men. I would say that. I think that's much more of a... Yeah, because I can't tell you how many... aggressive women that I've known that talk about, you know, Zach is now turning into Zoe, and, you know, it's like all over their social media. And I'm just thinking to myself, oh, my gosh, it's like an entire generation of freakazzoids of some sort,

very confused people that we used to justifiably say, hey, you know, there's a bit of mental illness here. And then now we're supposed to all agree that this is real. Zach really is Zoe, that kind of thing. Yes, I think it's much more common for a lot of reasons on the female side, but I think that there is a, like I said, a strand of, it's going to be, as much as I want to think we can just sort of defeat gender ideology with science and facts. The reality is a lot of this is a religious, there's a religious deal behind it. And when someone has a religious presupposition that is incorrect and not in accordance with reality, reality doesn't really, reality isn't really, reality isn't. what gets them out of that mindset, right? I mean, I think that's just true, no matter what religious presupposition someone chooses.

And it doesn't have to have to do with God, right? I mean, really any unfalsifiable presupposition that someone holds to that they're emotionally tethered to. And I think it's going to be a really, in my opinion, I think you're going to get a lot more of this in the coming decades. I think you're going to see a schism. A lot of people will go back to traditionalism, and then you'll have a lot of people who are out and maybe what we'd considered almost a transhumanism dynamic where they're they can transform it anything they want be that another gender maybe I don't know I would imagine the next step of this would involve some form of you know transforming yourself into various

maybe animal like characteristics I know that sounds extreme oh great great human furries for real just what we need here Leslie okay but you know what's going to happen at what I mean seriously think about the scientific events and what people can sort of mimic You know what I mean, like by transforming in ways that match their internal desires. And we just couldn't do that 50 years ago, or 100. And I think that made, that's part of what made this ideology difficult to come about. You know, I mean, I don't think it could have come out of a closet, so to speak, until there was scientific advancement. Yeah, the ability to do it surgically, chemically, chastricht, et cetera, et cetera.

Progressive Prejudice is a book we're talking about here by Leslie Corbly. She's an attorney, poet, and author. Progressive Prejudice exposing the Devouring Mother. Where can you find out more about that? Because since you are an attorney, I have to ask you about the Jack Smith story here before we take off. Okay, got to do that. But, you know, we kind of got off. I'm just fascinated by this whole devouring mother thing and that we're looking at this prejudice thing from your point of view.

But where do you find out more, huh? Sure. So Amazon.com is an easy place. If you go to Amazon and type in either my name, Leslie Corvley, or the title will pop up. or you can go to leslie corbly.com, and all my books are there. Okay, very good. And I'm going to check that out for sure here. Now then, I want you to put your attorney's hat on, if you don't mind here.

It's now we're finding out then that essentially the surveillance state was surveilling a bunch of Congress critters. I would really love that if people got excited about surveillance state surveilling we, the people, but that doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a concern these days. but where are the issues here playing out legally in your view with Jack Smith and the whole sordid mess here at this point? I don't know. It's still, I'm an attorney, so part of it is like I think it's still kind of hard to tell. You know, there's a lot, there's a lot we don't know. I'm not shocked by any of these revelations.

I'm thrilled that some of this is coming to white. Yep. You know, so I think it's really good for the public to keep an eye on all of what's coming out. And to be aware of how much. of a lack of transparency there has been in politics and frankly that there still is. And so I think that those are really important things to watch. Now, what it means legally, I think this is a long battle. I remind myself, you know, we're not even a year in to Trump's presidency. So I think a lot of these things, he's kicking up gear pretty fast this time around,

but there's still a long way to go. And it will be interesting to see how, how interrelated and interconnected, a lot of these legal issues become. You know, I mean, And he already just, I mean, Comey was indicted, right? And I know he's obviously not guilty. But I just think that it's going to be very interesting to see how interconnected the surveillance issues are with other things we're seeing. Because it seems really weird to have your surveillance organs going after duly elected people unless there is, you know, some warrant or real probable cause who are crime having been. committee, right? But it does seem that it was done based on ideology, wasn't it? Absolutely. And the weaponization of, you know, the ease with which, you know, surveillance can

fall where it shouldn't, right? Like, can be used in inappropriate ways, be that ideological or, you know, any instance where, you know, someone's being surveilled without appropriate predicate, legal predicate is not, I don't think that's new at all. I think it might be new to the public, but the reality is these systems have been easy to manipulate since they've existed. And I think it's good for the public to begin to understand that. I hope that people are able to look past the ideology here in the sense of understanding how the systems themselves are problematic and can be utilized in inappropriate ways no matter who is in power.

That's my hope. I'm not convinced that's what will happen because right now we're in such a partisan deadlock in this country. But it really is important to understand this is a power corrupt type of system. Yeah, but you're right about the fact that you're either with our tribe or you're against our tribe, right? That's where we are right now. Speaking of which the progressive tribe in Portland is having a history fit over the possibility of having National Guard, guarding one square block of Portland where the ice facility is and where some sportiness is.

happened from time to time. In your legal opinion, and this is just an opinion, all right, but do you think Trump wins this one ultimately at the Supremes or not? Do you think that that's going to be a tough one? I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. I want to say yes in some ways, but it's, I don't know. It's such a weird time right now. So I would say maybe tentatively, yes. I don't have a lot. It's just a gut instinct. Because it's either going to be the devouring, devouring mother or the devouring daddy, right? Is that our choice right now? It seems to be, and I don't like it, because, I mean, it's interesting. I'm not really a, I'm not MAGA. I mean, I think it's fascinating to watch Trump, but I didn't really, he's not my favorite politician. I didn't vote for him, for example, but it's, I think we are on this weird stage in our country where it seems like the government has grown so big that no matter who wields it in some way.

whoever is wielding power is going to have an inappropriate amount of power. And that's what I meant earlier by the systems of things like surveillance. You know, it's not clear to me that the federal government is changing substantially in its size or power. All we're doing is is arguing about who, all we're arguing about who is getting hit with the baseball bat over the head, you know? Yes. Yes. And so, well, in some ways I'll prefer Trump because he has more alignment with me ideologically as far as I don't think he'll do as many things that I think are objectively damaging to the country. That doesn't mean I'm particularly thrilled, generally speaking, with the way our government functions. And by that, I really mean structurally, right? I think there's not a lot of, you know, I'm an old school constitutional conservative where I would want to see the government have significantly less actual power than it does.

And it looks to me like the executive, I mean, there is a strong argument for the, you know, that the executive is gaining more power through some of our Supreme Court rulings. But on the other hand, the power the executive is gaining is partially because our, our three branches of government are not operating in any way that's like coherent. Yep, they ain't working. It's not working, and yeah, Congress is completely seated that power. Stimulating conversation, Leslie, I'd like to have you back. I kind of like the way your mind works and you tweak my head back and forth a little bit. And I always appreciate someone that's able to articulate that.

I have a feeling this is an interesting book. I'm going to look at this one. Progressive Prejudice exposing the devouring mother. I'll get all your information up, and I thank you for your time this morning. Be well. Thanks much for having me. All right. What a pleasure.