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Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Great to have you here Monday, the 13th of October. It is Columbus Day. Of course, the state of Oregon celebrates it as Indigenous People's Day. As we all know, as we all know, the indigenous people here just sort of sprang up from the primordial ooze.

always here naturally, never came or migrated from other lands whatsoever, and they were always kind of like, kind of like hippie flower children, always peaceful, no wars, no tribal conflict in no slavery, nothing like that, no stealing from one another. It was absolutely idyllic. Yes, like hippie chicks everywhere, and then the Europeans showed up, and then it all went to hell. I don't know. I get so irritated at this stolen land. You know, the sad part of human reality, just of being human, is that the only time that people are able to hang on to their land,

and you could say this for practically anywhere, unless the land is just not that desirable. If the land is how is desirable, you better be able to defend your right to it. And if you can't defend your right to it, looking down through human history, somebody else comes and takes it over. That's just kind of the way it goes. And by the way, this is not to say that there shouldn't be an indigenous people day. But there's no such thing as indigenous. It's not like they just, it's not like, well, I don't know. You know, according to some, maybe the crater was some flying saucer that they'll claim.

And then they drop the indigenous people onto the land. But I don't know. I just get tired of this horrible, boy, you know, if you're not hating yourself today. You know, I was thinking about that, about myself, because, well, I've told you that I descend from a lot of Slavic, a lot of Slavic folks, Eastern European, a lot of my relatives from Eastern Europe, rather. And, yeah, and there's some other ones, and there's some English, there's some German in there, too, but a lot of it from Eastern European, Eastern European stuff. And it was so funny, you know, because I'm told because I'm a white guy, and maybe you're a white person, maybe you're not white, I don't know, but, you know, today is the day you're supposed to hate Whitey, even more so than usual, because whitey Italians came over in 1492, you know, Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492, you know, that. And then that was the beginning of the end of the hippie chick flower children known as the indigenous people that were living in the United States. what was to be the United States of America at that point.

Now, of course, I came here, my people came here, and then it was just amazing white privilege as they got black lung, enslaved in the coal mines, and went in the steel mills, and did all that stuff. But, you know, I'm supposed to hate myself today. And if you're white, you're supposed to hate yourself today, too, in the state of Oregon, as they celebrate Indigenous People's Day. And yet, Slavic is the root word. of the term slave.

Yeah. My people essentially were under the whip of the czar. Slave people. Slaves. No reparations, not asking for reparations. Just saying that everybody at some point was dominated and or oppressed or taken over. It just kind of depended on who had the bigger whip, who had the bigger guns, the cannons, who had the better military, who had more money. I mean, it's just all, you know, you look at the history, this whole big patchwork of humanity.

Can we just pull together a little bit and quit doing everything we can to divvy it up? It just has been really irritating to me. I'm going to be talking with a guest about that, about an hour from now, actually, and his name is Andre Dima no. He's the president of the Italian-American one-voice coalition. And so he talks about Italian-American things all the time, and needless to see, say. He has a, you know, a dog in the fight with this, this fight against anything mentioning of Christopher Columbus, although President Trump has today being Columbus Day. Yay, yay, President Trump. But we're going to talk about this because not only did he sign, did President Trump sign

the proclamation, but we have Andre reaching out to Native Americans. And so he says, you know, can we make this kind of an everybody's day rather than it's either, it's either all Native Americans, it's either all, I guess, indigenous people, it's either Indigenous People Day or it's Christopher Columbus. Why does one have to be exclusive to the other? And I think that's reasonable. We'll talk with him about that an hour from now. It's 16 minutes after six. So like anyways, I start off with a little bit of irritant.

What was going on over in Portland? Well, they were shooting some pepper balls off and all sorts of things over the weekend. and pepper balls and booms and bangs and bings and all the rest of it. But Senator Ron Wyden, Senator Ron Wyden puts up this post. I think you'd enjoy this one, his post, as he's in his neighborhood. Hey, everybody, Ron Wyden here. I've been driving around in my neighborhood in southeast Portland. Donald Trump says our city is so scary.

Oh, pumpkin. What was that again? Pumpkin. Oh, what a comedian. I think I'm going to have to save that bite. That bite. Yeah, he went on Instagram and ended up getting shared over to Facebook. What a maroon.

Well, you know, the challenge that they're having up in Portland is that the only way that you could say everything is okay is if you are going through the lie of omission. Now, I would dare say that is it a war zone all the time? No. but around the ice building once the sun goes down and especially all the Antifa types come out, yeah, it gets sporty. It's at nighttime. And so if the

cameras go there in the daytime, everything looks fine. I'm sure even Senator Wyden could go over there and things would look fine, but not if you go at other times. You know, you show up there 8, 9 o'clock on a Saturday night, it gets a little sporty. And yeah, it was a little sporty. Was it

a war? I don't know. Ultimately President Trump's just going to have to squish it. That's how I see it at least. 7705-633-770K MED. This is the Bill Myers Show. I said this is the Bill Myers Show. Scary stuff. Do you have an electrical check?

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Hamas has released all of 20 of the remaining alive hostages, and so that's great news. Some reunification going on, and President Trump is talking about a great peace deal. We'll be hearing about that off and on from the Fox News team here throughout the day. Big day, and big day, and will it last? I guess these are the kind of questions that we wonder. You certainly hope so. Patrick writes me this morning. He emailed me.

By the way, my email is Bill at Billmyershow.com. It says, Bill, as much as I would like to believe that peace is possible in the Middle East, the behind-the-scenes rumbling seemed to run counter to peace. Specifically, it would seem that Hamas favors rejecting any sort of monitoring. This would tend to negate any sort of treaty reached thus far. Yeah, you could be right about that. You could be right about that one, Patrick. But let us be guardedly optimistic, guardedly optimistic.

Needless to say, President Trump is... Well, some big dogs in this one really wants to make sure that this is going to happen and going to stick. It's very much arranged like a big business deal, and this may help keep it together more so than many other ones. There are a lot of financial dogs in the fight to keep this one together. We'll just have to see. Just keep an eye on it, and I'm going to be guardedly optimistic. That may be that we can get a better life for everyone. and it's been a pretty rough time in Gaza too.

Everyone's at least admitting 60, 70,000 dead there, and that's not a small amount of money. I'm not a small amount of people, rather, just saying, okay? Doug Dean wrote to me over the weekend, and he sent me a link to an article from the Lost Coast Outpost, lost coast outpost.com. one year after Klamath dam removal, there's just fish jumping all over the place. And the scientists are describing a big improvement to water quality in wildlife.

And they're saying that a year after the Klamath was returned to its free-flowing state, after they blew up all the dams, scientists are say that nature has rebounded in amazing ways. In an online press conference, the article says, and a group of scientists from regional tribes, environmental non-profits, ODF and W, reporting observations and data from a year's worth of fish monitoring, spawning habitat surveys, water quality testing, and more. The consensus with that things have gotten better than anyone could have anticipated, particularly when it comes to fall-run Chinook salmon.

What the fish have shown us is something extraordinary, said Damon Goodman, Mount Shasta, Klamath Regional Director for California Trout. The river seemed to come alive almost instantly after removal. And the fish returned in greater numbers than I expected, rather, and maybe anyone expected. Of course, the one thing I would say, though, is that the fish are returning from past years, aren't they? It's not like the fish returned from, you know, the time after the dam blew up, or was it, or the dams were blown up, I guess, here. but the scientists from a broad array of organizations have united under the common goal of learning how salmon, other fish, and the entire ecosystem are covered. So they have all in this, and Doug writes me about this.

And, you know, and I wrote back to Doug, and I'm saying, well, Doug, is there a possibility we were wrong about this? Because all of the sediment that is just blasted out and being flooded down there and covering up the beds. and I'm hearing from some people saying that a lot of these beds have been covered up and choked out, and maybe it will be harder to recover, but they're claiming while the fish are coming back. Well, you know, now that I think about it, that may be true. The fish are coming back, but they are the fish coming back from the dam times. None of the fish coming back are from times after the dam was blown up. See what I'm getting at?

I don't know if I'm looking at this the wrong way or not, but I was just, you know, just thinking about it. Everyone is coming back. Okay, we're seeing fish coming back. Okay, you have fish coming back. That's great. And, you know, nothing wrong with that. But are we going to have good spawning beds and good spawning ground? Now, maybe there are good spawning grounds.

But I'm open to being wrong about this. I don't know if I am. I talked to enough people who had great doubts about, doing this because at the same time we're told that if you or I blow up stuff and dump the goo into the river we're polluters and doing evil

things but when the states do it and you have the enviro non-profits all getting involved and you blow up the dam and you throw the goop down the river well then it's okay because we have fish jumping everywhere so what is it I don't really know at the at the moment

but Doug and I had an exchange about this over the week, guys. He says, I just don't know if I believe this. I don't know if I believe it either. I know there was this, this joking about the magic fish coming up there that probably made it up above the dam in someone's pickup truck in a tank, right? That sort of thing because there are big, big dogs or fish in the fight, as it were, to be able to declare victory in that we weren't wrong to not dretch. Because all the other scientists were saying for the last decade or two, that the safe way, if you were going to get rid of the dam, that you had to dredge out the sediment and not flush all the sediment down the Klamath River, not, you

know, shove all the mud and the tailings down. But they didn't want to do that because it would cost way too much money. And the whole other thing is said, boy, you've got to blow it up because, well, Warren needs it off the books. Warren Buffett needed it off the books for Pacific Corps. Just saying. But then Doug continues with me, Bill, you may have a point that is, you know, maybe we were wrong about it and the envirals were right. You know, hey, maybe, if so, we'll just have to admit that.

But if what Captain Bill Simpson says he sees is the real situation, and though I haven't seen the river myself, writes Doug, my common sense in my degree in biology tell me to believe the good captain in doubt the veracity of the article we saw. The article quotes all the different sources extolling the revived river ecosystem, but I'm inclined to disbelieve most of what this article reports. They're still pushing their agenda, and I'm calling BS. Doug, I appreciate that. I mean, I'll give you an email of the day, emails of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry.com. And by the way, if you're looking for a great place to get a crown, while you wait, they have an in-house lab could take you about an hour for the whole thing. maybe a little bit more, depending on how much tooth prep you need.

But, boy, is it cool? No more of that having to wait days and days or weeks for an out-of-town lab to do your crown and get it ready, okay? Central Point Family Dentistry.com. Yeah, Doug, I don't know the full truth of this one. I don't want to completely throw people who are saying the fish are coming back under the bus because the fish may be coming back because the fish are coming back. because the fish are coming back from from past generations of salmon that had spawned before when the dam were when the dam was there so you know getting at so there's no reason to not think that there couldn't be salmon coming back but is it salmon coming back from after from after the dam having been blown up i'm not so sure i'm not even sure

if there's going to be you know if there isn't going to be a drop off because the beds according to so many people that I've talked to over the last year or so as they were getting in the process of blowing these dams up are saying that these dams have been all the tailings, all the mud

and the clay and the silt have destroyed the breeding grounds for the fish back then I forget exactly what they call that and that kind of makes sense too so maybe you're seeing a nice comeback of the fish and they're all happy because maybe the oxygenated water has a higher oxygen level, perhaps.

I don't know. It's always a possibility of something like that. And they're coming back, but they were dam fish, fish that had actually spawned up there in the river with the dam in place. And there is coming back to where they had been before. Are we going to have good future returns? I don't know. So maybe what we have are all these fish biologists. who are living and getting excited about the returns of the of the seed corn of the past ones but

is there any really great spawning ground right now we'll have to see keep an eye on it but yeah a lot of fish in that water they got a lot of fish in that fight and everybody wants to declare victory and go away i suppose six 30 we'll catch up on the rest of what's going on here too bill london and uh then we're going to talk with dr jane orient md you know this whole thing about the Obamacare subsidies. That's going to end to the end of the year. And the Democrats want to keep the government shut down over this one. Republicans are saying, no, no, no, no, no.

This is all about illegal aliens for health care. And both are right. Both are right. But there are other people that are also getting those subsidies, too. What to do? We'll talk with Dr. Oriette next. Hurry in soon. The Phil Myers Show on 1063, KMED. 635.

Always a pleasure to have Dr. Jane Orienne. and MD, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPSonline.org. I kind of want to know what the medical freedom side of an item or of an issue in the medical world is. Love talking with Dr. Jane. Dr. Oriot, pleasure having you back on. Welcome. Thank you, Bill. I wanted to dig in a little bit here on the controversy. You've been talking off and on the last few weeks about the government shutdown situation.

and Democrats, of course, ostensibly having done this because of the expiration of these enhanced Obamacare subsidies. And then Republicans did not want to extend them because, A, it was supposed to be a temporary deal. And B, they also claim that it allows states to do a lot of illegal alien medical care, kind of like backfilling the budgets. That's how it's being done, at least here in the state of Oregon. So everyone's at loggerheads about this. And I think, you know, you have an article or a piece you posted the other day, which got me going, because you're kind of indicating how the whole thing is really broken when it comes to the medical system and wasn't, weren't those subsidies really covering up for that issue right now. Well, the Affordable Care Act was really the Unaffordable Care Act, because contrary to Obama's promise that if you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan, most affordable health plan, damage.

on the market. The true insurance, which was priced according to your risk, that covered only catastrophes. It didn't try to cover everything under the sun, became illegal. And there were so many insurance mandates that forced insurers to cover things that are very expensive and that drove the price out of the ability of most Americans to afford it. So they cover that up by giving tax subsidies to a lot of people that were temporary. They had to make them temporary because if they hadn't, it would have made the cost of the bills obviously out of sight and completely unacceptable.

So now they've come to the cliff and they're going to say, oh, well, all these poor people will be hurt if we don't subsidize and we make somebody else pay for this plan, which is truly not insurance. and that nobody would really choose to buy if a person had to spend his own money. The point being here, or to your point, we had some big sob stories that were coming out from local media, one of our local TV stations that was covering a coastal woman that was going to see her, because of these subsidies going away, her exchange purchased insurance was going to go up from like $250 a month to $1,000.

$250 a month and she is of modest income, moderate income, that sort of thing. And I could understand somebody being really upset because $1,250 a month for a single person is not exactly what you'd call affordable care, you know, $15,000 a year, essentially. Well, it is ridiculous for insurance. And if people were paying for themselves voluntarily, the obviously logical thing to do is to just drop the plan. The problem is that if you do that, what do you get instead? And Obama managed to get all the alternatives removed from the market. Trump helped that a little bit by allowing some short-term catastrophic plans to persist.

At first, they were really, really short-term, maybe three months or so, and then they increased the duration. But that's what people really need. Yeah, why is there such hostility towards allowing people who are in reasonably good shape to purchase catastrophic insurance? Because you're right, most people, that's really what's needed. They need help for if things really go to heck, not for just taking care of everyday chronic diseases, let's say. Maybe that's what I'm getting at. Well, if you pay for something through insurance, it is going to be more expensive. But it has to be, because there's all of the administrative and risk of fraud on top of the cost of the care.

If you were to pay for that care out of pocket, it would be a fraction of it, even without filing claim. You have a graph in this article about what to do about the ACA studies, and you show, and I'm going to put it on the post when I post this on KMAD.com. and it had to do with the incredible growth of health care administrators versus physicians. Now, to be clear, administrators in the health care world don't provide any health care, right? But there's just been insane growth of these positions over doctors, right? They're trying to cap the cost because when people don't have to pay for anything, they demand more. Obviously, they do, and the person is providing the service just, up the price, why not? The patient won't object, goes to the insurance company. So everybody

is happy until they see their insurance premiums. But in order to try to stop that, they have all this pre-authorization, they have all of this demands for documentation in the chart that has nothing to do with making your diagnosis or recording it for other people caring for you. It's everything to do with trying to justify the billing code. And that's why there's been such a growth of administrators. When you say administrators, it's not just bosses, but people that are there to say no or document why you need the operation or the treatment or the drugs or whatever else it is that you're coming into the medical system for.

Is that fair enough? That's what we're looking at? Yes, I think so. Of course, you need the administration to make sure their supplies are ordering that your bills are paid and the appointment schedules were kept up. That's what we're talking about. Okay. Wow.

It's just been an insane explosion of this. And it's not because it's been needed. Well, it's been needed because of Obamacare and the prepaid. Are we ready as a culture, you think, to finally admit that Obamacare didn't give us what was promised and is just completely unaffordable and unsustainable? Do you think we're really at that point yet or not? I don't know. I mean, it should have been honest.

obvious from the beginning, but everybody has been indoctrinated to believe that they shouldn't have to pay for their own medical care. That should be somebody else's responsibility, and I sort of forgotten that that means that they're responsible for paying for everybody else's medical care, whereas they can't afford to pay for their own medical care, I mean, the price has been driven to the status fare. How much less expensive could a typical doctor's visit be if you were just paying out? out-of-pocket, rather, rather than going through your co-pay and your deductible

and your standard medical insurance way of doing it, Dr. Orient. But to make so complicated this, it's difficult to figure it out. I mean, most practices don't have a list of prices, places that do, like the Surgery Center of Oklahoma, that's Surgery Center, okay.com, they list all of their prices, and people have found out that for a given surgery, it may cost them only one-tenth as much as Medicaid is paying for that very same procedure somewhere else. Boy, one-tenth. One-tenth the cost in the state of Oregon is saying, hey, we can't afford all this stuff,

because we're paying more than we really should be, is what you're saying. Exactly. And some people have actually been said, well, I can get my prostate surgery much cheaper in Oklahoma, I'd rather not go on the airplane, but they take the price to their local hospital, and you know what? The local hospital or clinic is able to match the price. They'll match the price? Really? Not match the price. They're able to lower their price so much that it would cost about as much with the plane ticket and travel and all that to go to Oklahoma to get it at home.

Okay. So it certainly helps to show. off and negotiate, I guess. I guess what you're saying is that when they know someone is willing to go and get that surgery somewhere else or they could get that treatment done elsewhere for much less money, then the hospital would say, well, we would rather have 40% of something than 100% of nothing, and then they'll reduce their fees commensurably to make it happen. And there's always a risk with the hospital that the insurance company won't pay them at all, or we'll try to claw back the amount later, or will cause them all. types of hassles before the check actually arrived.

Yeah. Dr. Jane Orient M.D. once again, we're talking about these Obamacare subsidies, which are going to expire at the end of the year. So we've got a big, not only is it a medical problem, but it's also a political problem right now. How would you maybe take care of this impasse right now? Do you have any ideas on a way to sort of smooth this over? Because the one thing is the federal government and taxpayers can't keep paying these huge subsidies, you know, $800,000, $900,000 a month subsidies for people trying to get health care in the state of Oregon. And yet people need to be able to get care when needed to and need to find some way out of this. What would you suggest if you could wave your magic wand? You know, something practical.

Well, theoretically, there should be alternatives to people. I think it just dropped their coverage that they have now and get something better. But it takes a while for these things to develop. So I think to overcome the impasse, one might extend the subsidies for a brief period of time, but immediately you need to get rid of the obstacles to having a better marketplace. Like allow physician-owned hospitals that Obamacare banned,

remove any federal mandate, that insurance has to cover things that are not needed, most people not desired by most people, and are extremely expensive. Okay, and I can give you an example of that here in the state of Oregon. I know that they require your insurance company to provide for mental health coverage at the same level as medical care. And if you're perfectly mentally healthy, you would think, well, I wouldn't want to insure for that, but you're not giving any choice, right? It's that kind of thing which makes it more expensive for everyone. That kind of thing, plus maybe having to cover for, for, um,

AIDS drugs are HIV preventive drugs so that you can go ahead and lead a very risky lifestyle, knowing that somebody else is paying these hugely expensive medicines that partially protect you from the consequences. In Oregon, I may even force you to pay for castrating children in the name of transgenderism. Oh, yeah, yeah, we do that because that's kind of like a state religion here in Oregon because of OHSU, OHSU, Oregon, and Sciences University Hospital is a big producer of that kind of quote-unquote treatment, Dr. Orient. That's what we do here. Yes, mutilating children. Yeah.

And so this makes insurance in Oregon more expensive when you're paying for everybody else's either whether it's gender-affirming care or AIDS drugs or whether you're paying for their fat drugs or, you know, it all adds up, doesn't it? You can't avoid this. It certainly does. And even if you're going to have that stuff, it'd be cheaper to pay for it without insurance. What about for the long run? What needs to be done? You had talked about repealing the ban on physician-owned hospitals. I didn't know that doctors were not allowed to own that.

What was the rationale in Obamacare behind having doctors not being allowed to own or run hospitals? I guess we don't want to have a conflict. of interest, maybe the doctors would charge too much, even though it is shown that physicians own hospitals generally provide higher quality care at a much more affordable price. You also advocate in this article that payments should be site neutral. What does that mean to have payments site neutral in the medical world? What do you mean by that? Well, it means that if you have a procedure done in a facility owned by a hospital, the hospital will pay a certain amount. But if you have that procedure done in an independently owned facility, like an ambulatory

surgery center, the insurance company will pay that center much less for the same procedure. So that means that they really can't afford to compete with the hospital. So what you're saying then is that they shouldn't, insurance companies should not be able to cut special deals to pay hospitals more, is what you're saying, right? Yes. If you're going to pay this much, if you're going to pay $10,000 for a knee replacement for the surgery center, you're not going to pay $25,000 to have the local hospital do the knee replacement. I'm just pulling that one out of my head, by the way.

I don't know what a knee replacement cost, right? Difference may be that, maybe that extreme. And it's the way to shut down the hospital's competition. Okay. How could they get away with charging that fee if somebody else will do it for half the price? Do you think that certificate of need laws are still of benefit? I know that Oregon has one in which hospitals essentially, if you wanted to build a new hospital or a new center, you would have to ask the hospitals if it's okay if we compete with you.

No words to that effect. Exactly. I mean, that is of no benefit to anybody except those who are trying to prevent competition. Okay. You're also saying that would also be a great suggestion here is to have all medical payments, including individually owned insurance, not just employer-owned insurance, because right now, employer-owned insurance, that is tax deductible. You get that with pre-tax dollars, but not if you buy it on your own.

That doesn't seem to make sense to me. I wonder why they made it that way. Well, it doesn't make sense. Obviously, somebody is benefiting from that. And it does completely lead to job lock, for example, because you can't afford to change jobs if you lose your insurance. Sure, yeah, yeah. You're right about that.

on people that have been sort of trapped by that. But the number one suggestion you're making long term is that you have to repeal all the mandates for federal insurance, right? All federal insurance mandates. You have to get rid of absolutely each and every one of them. That's the only way we can go back to buying an insurance policy at less cost

that we might actually need and want more. Yes, I think that the federal government has no constitutional authority to try to regulate this insurance. is regulated by the state. And, you know, your casualty insurance, your car insurance, and your homeowner's insurance, it is getting more expensive, too, but it is far more reasonable than so-called health insurance. But you know the thing is, it's funny that you bring this up, when you are required,

when someone puts a gun to your head that you better have even car insurance as an example, and the car insurance companies know that you have to have it, right? They know that you can't legally operate without it, and most people are going to want to try follow the law, there's probably less incentive to keep the prices reasonable. Fair enough? Kind of like medical world. Well, of course, that's the whole idea. Although, at least in Arizona, you don't have to have car insurance, but you do have to post a bond with the state. Oh, okay. You have to have some kind of financial responsibility. Fair enough. Doctor, I appreciate the suggestions here. So you'd be okay then if the Republicans were to

compromise then and say, okay, we're going to do a minor extension or a very short. short extension of these Obamacare subsidies, but you're going to have to bite the bullet and do bigger reforms long term. Yeah, if it's essentially repealed the most onerous and unaffordable parts of Obamacare in exchange. Yeah, I know these Obamacare subsidies are actually starting to cause some division within the Republican Party because I think the Republicans are looking at this and rightly so. Hey, do you want to lose the midterms? I think it's kind of how they're looking at this, right?

Because... I think that's probably looking at everything, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are we going to lose our job next year over this? So, anyway, I appreciate the take on that. AAPSonline.org. Always appreciate the explanation. And I'm hoping that cool heads prevail

and that people will start listening to you over at AAPS. Just astoundingly good thinking there on how to provide it at a much less cost. And thanks so much for being on the show. Be well. Thank you very much. Take care, doctor. Dr. Jane Laureate, MD. It is 653, KMED, KBXG, on the Bill Myers show.

The Outdoor Report is every Friday morning. 3 KMED. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Happen to take your call, 7705-633. Pepper balls, boom in, all sorts of things, tear gas, everything used Saturday night over in Portland. But Senator Wyden, he had his say. Hey, everybody. Ron Wyden here.

I've been driving around in my neighborhood in southeast Portland. Donald Trump says our city is so scary. Oh, pumpkin. Okay. I don't know if that necessarily helped his case. He's out there in southeast Portland in the middle of the day. But if he were there in the evening, it might be a little bit different. If you're actually, you know, I'm looking forward to him reporting from the ICE facility.

He doesn't do that. He's over at somehow homes over and. southeast Portland. No, the entire area is not a war area, but certainly one block, one square block of Portland is getting little sporty from time to time. But you know, Democrats, of course, like all politicians sometimes, I guess, when you have an agenda to push, you're kind of, well, you're kind of, you're promoting your book, you're promoting your book, whatever your particular agenda is.

Now, this kind of takes me back to something I was talking about a little bit earlier this morning it had to do with this story in the Lost Coast outposts one year after Klamath Dam removal. There's just fish jumping all over the place. Scientists describe the improvement, you know, of this. And Doug

Dean saying, Bill, I don't know if I necessarily agree with these people or if I believe, you know, what I'm seeing from these reports. Now, I can't say to it, but what I was theorizing and maybe you would too, maybe you have a

opinion on it, I don't know, but we very well could be seeing fish coming back because the fish coming back are from, well, time before the dams. It's not from the latest spawning. It's not like your little ones that went down. They maybe made it through all of the choked water earlier in the year. Those aren't the ones coming back. I'll be curious to see what happens when this year and maybe last year's crop of fish or whatever it is, whenever they come back, I don't even know what the exact term is. I'm sorry, I'm being inelicate as I described this

because I don't know much about fish other than a little bit of common sense fish biology and what I've read from people who make this their living. But I don't want to completely throw them under the bus that maybe they're right, because maybe there are fish coming back. But it's fish coming back from the time that was supposedly so horrible with the dam in place

and the water being modulated by the Klamath Dam system, you know, making sure that the water was cool at all times, which was one of the great uses of the Klamath Dam. And so now we're not going to get that. But, of course, now I suppose you can kayak all the way through, which is the way most important thing to be concerned about, rather than fish health and flood control and maintaining critical infrastructure over time.

Green power. You know, well, green power, unless it's a hydro on the Klamath, right? So I don't know. It could be. Maybe it's right. And I don't want to completely rain on their parade because they could be seeing fish, but that's fish from the past. Is it going to be fish from the future? Well, you hope so?

I would love for everything that was done to the Klamath to actually help the Klamath long term. But the thing is, the people that are involved with this usually are all about deindustrializing. It is a gang-green kind of religion in which. which we're going to return it back to the indigenous people time. That's why we celebrate indigenous people today, a day on Monday, October 13th, you know, that kind of thing. Betty writes me about that bill. So if you look at the older video,

the fish are out of the water when the pictures are taken. So that means a staged video. Let's see some current real video. How do we get those true stories? It's interesting that only people that have noticed the fish are the same ones behind it from the start. Where is John Stossel's video? It's the same people not telling about the good, bad, and the ugly.

Thank you. Betty, I appreciate you writing about that. Now, we have Jeff from Selma saying, hey, Bill, given that salmon returned to their home to spawn, perhaps they told other fish from other rivers that now there's more spawning areas available up the Klamath. Of course, there's always going to be the kingfish charging a couple of clamps for the better spots as well. That's pretty funny. That's pretty funny. I appreciate that. Okay, let me grab a quick call here before news.

Hi, good morning. This is Bill on KMED. Who's this? This is Minor Dave. Yeah, Dave, what's going on? I wanted to say, the fish may be coming back, but they have nothing to eat because all the Coddads are dead. There's no bugs in it.

It smells like death every time you go by the Klamath River. Well, you know, they have mentioned none of that in the Lost Coast Outpost. dot com story about this so i didn't think about that because yeah i remember we were being told that the crawdads that or the fish food aren't being um while they weren't alive they were smothered earlier this year weren't they they were smothered from when they started dumping the water in there and uh and then when they took down the dams all that sediment went down the river not all of it's down there yet if we get in elenia we get a lot of rain there'll be a lot more to

go down, a lot more. Yeah. Now, since you're up on the plateau today or up there on the top, you see any snow in your neighborhood? I know there's snow in the higher elevations. It's cold here, but there's no snow yet where I'm at. Okay, yeah. Some snow on the eastern cascades, or the cascades we're seeing more of that today. Yeah, well, I'm technically in the Sisu Mountain Range. Okay. And so, and I'm at 3,000 feet. I'll have to wait until it's daylight to see if there's any snow higher than that.

Okay, well, stay warm and keep your propane supply in good shape, all right. Right. Thanks, Dave. See you later. Bye. A couple minutes after seven, this is KMED, KMED, HD-T-1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. We're going to talk to someone who is Italian, one Italian voice, and try to reach out to the indigenous people. You know, does it have to be either or when it comes to Columbus Day?

We'll have that coming up afternoons. Hi, it's John.