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Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. On my show, it is Columbus Day. I know the state does not like that, but you know, it doesn't have to be one or the other. I wanted to talk with Andre Domino. He's an engineer and a CEO of a medical devices company,

also president of the Italian-American one-voice coalition and when it comes to the Italian-Americans bull, he's all over this one, been on all the TV channels and other national networks and shows stations in the major markets here in Southern Oregon now too.

Andre, it's a pleasure having you on. Welcome to the show and happy Columbus Day. And happy Columbus Day to you, Bill. Thanks for having me on. How do we get to the point where all of a sudden we're supposed to hate Columbus? We're supposed to hate, well, I guess it's just another example of hate Whitey.

I don't know how else you can look at it any other way, but maybe you can give us your take on it over the years because you've been fighting back on this. Well, sure. This really stems back to a self-declared anarchist and Marxist that hated this country, Howard Zinn, who published a textbook, which was full of lies, not only about Columbus, but about our founding fathers.

And unfortunately, that textbook is still being used in the school systems where he's now brainwashed generations of people thinking that Columbus did all these horrible things, as well as our founding fathers. And, you know, when Columbus got to this part of the world, it was no Garden of Eden, but he certainly did not do all the things that Howard Zinn claimed. And that has been disputed by noted authors. In fact, one of them, Bill, is actually an indigenous person himself who wrote four books defending Columbus and going against everything that Howard Zinn said.

So all this stuff that they're doing about Columbus is just not true. What is some of the stuff we were told that you were in Italian-American? No, was not true. It has been debunked over the years here, but yet policy is being determined by what Howard Zinn said, apparently. Well, yeah, like they said that when he arrived here, he wanted to wipe out the natives, the indigenous people that were here. And quite the contrary, the Taino tribe was being attacked by the Karebes who were cannibals, and he actually defended the Taino tribe against the Karebes. And that's just one great example of how.

it's completely distorted, and the fact that they said that he started, you know, he started slavery, a come on. The Native Americans and indigenous people were doing slavery and genocide themselves. This was done well before Columbus, and he didn't come here, and the best one of all, Bill, this is great, that he purposely brought disease to this part of the world. I mean, they didn't know about germs and viruses back then, so how could he purposely bring disease? It's just full of these, it's replete with all these falsehoods. Yeah, in the 1400s, we were not into the germ theory of how diseases were spread at that point. But you know, this is – but you know how it goes, though?

The lie spreads around the world. It is taught its truth even before the truth gets a chance to put the pants on, so to speak, right? You know, that kind of thing. No, that's so true. It just continues to perpetuate, and people don't want to look into it and hear with the real authors and people who have studied this and debunk this. I mean, there's books out there called Debunking Howard's in. totally disputing all the stuff that he has in his books.

But I guess what it comes right down to it is that the history of the world and of this nation, by the way, is complex. It's not one way or the other. The place was not that did not have saints living here, nor did saints necessarily settle it. So it's a complex kind of thing. There are a lot of ways to look at things. And I think it's good to get full stories on this, but the way it is right now in which

you're just supposed to hate it, you know, you're supposed to. to hate the nation and hate and hate people that ended up coming here first. It just doesn't that doesn't make sense. That's got to end. Is that what Italian-American One Voice Coalition is all about? What are you trying to do with that? Oh, yes. Yeah, definitely. Our organization is specifically dedicated to defending Italian-American heritage and culture. You know, unfortunately, Italian-Americans still are subjected to stereotyping, negative stereotyping. There's no political correctness when it comes to Italian-Americans. And, of course, the attack on archonic symbol, Christopher Columbus. And you know, Bill, Christopher Columbus is so important of Italian Americans,

not just because he did one of the greatest things in the world, the United Contents, but because when in the 1890s, there was tremendous discrimination and denigration of Italians in this part of the world when they were immigrants here. In fact, the largest single-day lynching that ever occurred was on March 14th, 1891 in New Orleans, 11 innocent Italian Americans were lynched. It caused such problems that there was almost a war with Italy back then. And that's why, in 1892, on the 400th anniversary of Columbus arrival in the new world, President Harrison declared the first Columbus Day celebration as an atonement, an apology, to those immigrants. So that's why our ancestors and generations before us, it's such an important holiday and such an important iconic symbol to us.

I didn't realize that was actually the origin of Columbus Day. And I really appreciate you, you're telling us that, Andre. I really do. And I didn't know. I just thought it was one of these things where it's just celebrating. So it was in reaction to Italians being lynched in the United States. Yeah, no, correct. There was the largest lynching and other lynching, like in Tuplo, Massachusetts,

Tupelo, Mississippi, they lynched people. And this was that atonement for that. And then, of course, later on it became a federal polity, which, by the way, it still is, indigenous people's day, is not. not. And President Trump just reaffirmed that with his proclamation the other day, declaring this day to be Columbus Day, the same federal holiday that's been there for years. Yeah. You know something, Andre, and I was talking about this about an hour ago because I was expressing irritation at the way, you know, the state of Oregon goes all this so-called

politically correct, which is just stupid, I guess. And this is nothing against the indigenous people. But the point being, though, can't you have both? Is there a problem with having both? Can we Can we actually celebrate both heritages at the same time, or are we incapable of such things? No, no, no. As a matter of fact, to that end, we actually formed an unprecedented milestone alliance with the Native American Guardians Association. Like us, they are an organization dedicated to defending Native American and indigenous people from the cancel culture that's out there.

For example, the elimination of names like the Redskins team and the Chiefs and so forth. So they're opposed to. In fact, their symbol is educate, do not eradicate. And we join with them in an unprecedented alliance, and we call it bridging cultures against cancel culture. So they support us in preserving Columbus Day. We support them in preserving their symbols and images. And we want to celebrate right along with them on their day. You know, August 9th is the International Indigenous People's Day. Why in the United States did they have to pit one group together by putting indigenous people on the same day's Columbus Day?

It's the wrong thing to do. We should strive for unity, not division. And that's what we've done with our relationship with the Native American Guardians Association. What an interesting alliance there. We have Native Americans partnering with the Italians, and they're both saying, hey, well, you know, the thing is nobody, when they were getting rid of all of the sports team's names, nobody asked them, did they? Right. Nobody asked them. It's just like, well, we're feeling out after the fact that, well, yeah, we thought it was kind of cool, actually.

so why not it's unbelievable in fact the logo of the washington redskins was chief two guns and his family still to this day wants that symbol back they want his image back that profile of that indian was actually an actual indian and that's why the family of the chief two guns wants that back that's why we help them we want to support them in their preservation of their heritage and they're helping us now supporting columbus day yeah and it's an interesting story behind the cleveland indians too that i was uh talking about a few weeks ago, that a Native American player before the Cleveland Indians were formed, ended up being the best player in the area. And they would say, who are you going to go play when they would go play that team? They said, oh, we're going to go play the Indians, you know, over there because they were the absolute, he was the absolute best player in the state. Nobody even came close to him at that point. And that's where the term for the Cleveland Indians came from. You know, it was, it's just bizarre how we have gotten incredibly sensitive and

we're just going to wipe every cultural reference out the Cleveland Guardians. Oh, please. Who cares about that? All right. Hey, I've always wanted to ask you, Andre, and this is, I'm not Italian, but I am Slavic. I do have a lot of Slavic, so I understand

about being slave because it's where the term Slavic came from. So the Tsars did not like people, you know, like me back in the day. But you know, the Italian. The Italian slur they would bring up, and I'm going to use it right now. I was told that it meant worker or without papers. Do you know if that's true or not the term, WOP, where that came from? Yeah, that has actually been, people have looked into that,

and although it's not a definitive start for that, that is really kind of the only origin that can be found for that word, WOP. And it is a negative word. Of course, there are a lot of other ones that were out there, but that's one that has that origin with that without papers, you know, immigrants coming here at that time without the papers. Although they, of course, they just still had to go through Ellis Island and so forth. But nevertheless, that was a slur that came from that kind of background. Okay.

I was wondering if it came from that. Thanks for confirming that, because I was told that when I was a kid, but I could never get it confirmed. And the other thing I was wondering is that, you know, when you talk about the discrimination or the biases about a, Italian Americans. Do you think that, you know, and I have to tell you, I admit, I like a good mob movie. I just do. I enjoy the genre, that sort of thing. Are Italian Americans bugged by that more than, more than you might think? Just curious in which that ends up being the image. What say you, huh? Oh, absolutely. I can tell you personally, it affects me. Listen, I'm an engineer. I run a company. We design medical electronics. Here's a great example.

I went to give a demonstration of a medical device to a group of doctors. Now, I don't heard to hide the fact that my family, both my parents came from Sicily. Of course, now that has that negative connotation with the mafia and so forth. And here I am talking to a medical doctor's, and when we went to the lunch, the guy sitting next to me very seriously leaned over and he said, are you carrying a gun? Are you carrying? And he wasn't kidding. He thought I was in the mafia. Another example, we went to a convention with an Italian-American group.

I get onto the elevator, and one of the workers of the hotel gets on. He goes, you're with that Italian group, yeah. I said, yeah. He said, well, isn't it funny? You're meeting here at the same time as the sheriffs? I said, what does that mean? Because, you know, the mafia with the sheriffs? So, unfortunately, it's a negative stereotype that's out there because of all these movies.

And I agree that some of these movies are great to watch and so forth. Yeah, it's great story. And, of course, you know, the mafia was a real thing. You know, there's certainly a story to be told. But, of course, let's face it, There's a lot of drama in that. It's a great story when you see that on the screen. You can see that.

Yeah, but it's not just Italian-Americans. As you know, there's in all groups, in all ethnicities, there's different negative groups like that. But unfortunately, Italian-American since 1972 with the Godfather, that just has become the genre that has been most popularized. And unfortunately, the perception comes that if you're Italian, you have a vow at the end of your name, you're connected somehow. And that's the negative stereotype.

All right. So Andre Domeno is not a made. man. We just want to make sure that you've not made your bones. Okay, we'll use all the stereotypes from the movie. All right. Andre, great story. How can people find out more, though, about this Italian-American one-voice coalition and actually putting the haters in their place, so to speak, and let's see if we can actually unite for some good reasons. Where do you find out about that? Thanks, Bill. Yes. Yeah, please do have people come to our website, which is our initials. IAOVC.org for Italian-American one-voice coalition.org. IAOVC.org.

Very good. Great story. Thanks for having joined the show this morning, Andre. You take care. Be well. Happy Columbus Day. Happy Columbus Day indeed. 724, Andre Domino. Once again, president of the Italian-American One Voice Coalition. For over four decades, Dusty's transmissions has been your trusted source for top-not service. Family-owned since 1979. insurance company affiliates and other insurers, not available in all states. This is News Talk 1063, KMED, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. Captain Bill Simpson, who's checking in. Bill, you said we were talking about the Italians and Native Americans and the Facebook feed went down, huh?

Is that what happened? Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, their AI is very aggressive with political correctness. It's wired into the software, and, boy, there's a lot of things. just trigger it. And we've been seeing that across Facebook, and it's very aggressive, too. We license a lot of music for our Facebook page

at Wild Horse Fire Brigade, and we license music, but we get attacked from people that don't like what we're doing, you know, people monetizing wildfire and stuff like that. And so they report us for copyright, this and that, and then we have to go through the argument, show them the license for the music, and then they go, oh, okay. But, you know, their AI is like a rabid dog right now.

Interesting to know. Well, I ended the feed and restarted it, and hopefully it'll help a little bit here. But I'll tell you what, while you are here, and I know we're going to talk with you a little bit later this week, okay, a little bit later this week we'll have you snugged in here. And we're going to talk about that song, that incredible song. You know, I am a, you know, a wild stallion, you know, that one.

I wanted to ask your opinion because I had a listener send me an article from Lost Coast Outpost.com It said one year after Klamath Dam removal they're just fish jumping all over the place and scientists are describing improvement in the water quality, oxygen levels, etc., etc. And I'm willing to be wrong

because I was really concerned about all of the goo going downstream, but do you have an opinion about what you're seeing up there by the Klamath? I'm just curious if what the Lost Coast Outpost article is talking about is maybe not where you are, or maybe it's somewhere else within the Klamath. And what do you think? Well, I live across the street from the river for going on 12 years now and grew up in the area. And it depends who you talk to. I mean, if you talk to people in San Francisco,

or Seattle or Portland or Eugene, there's a lot of fish. But where do they get? The question is, is what is the source of their information? Are they down there in the water looking at it? Are they talking to fishermen on the banks of the river? Are they, you know, when was the last time they actually drifted the river with a fishing pool? And, you know, we talk to people on the road, fishermen, and now we're talking a lot of hunters

that aren't getting any deer because there's no deer to get. You know, when you talk to the fishermen that have been up here, they're pretty unhappy. And they expected to see what was in the news, right? And, you know, we talked to a couple fishermen. These guys were professional fly fishermen from Colorado, flew in, heard there was salmon like crazy, spent big bucks for the out-of-state license to fish here. And, you know, fly fishermen are sighted fishermen. and they look for a fish sign.

And, you know, they said it was a waste of their money. They didn't find any fish. Now, I suppose there are places along the river where last year, and I agree with this technology, or the methodology, I should say, that they used. They actually brought fish in to tributaries in tank trucks and put them in to establish spawning cohorts out of the stream. Oh, okay, so I didn't know that they brought in fish to spawn, there. Okay, so they reintroduce them.

Okay, that makes sense. Sure. It's a great idea. It's a great idea. I mean, I applaud fish and wildlife for doing that because if those eggs can survive in these different, like they put fish in it for instance at Jenny Creek and other places. If those fish survive, you know, the eggs actually do hatch, although a lot of them got built in last winter, there'll be a cohort trying to come back, you know, and it's like it's a tiny percentage of the fish that go downriver and make it all the way back.

It's like 1.7 or something. I can't remember the exact number, but it ain't many. But the thing is, that was a good idea. But, you know, some of those fish end up in the main stem of the Klamath. So, you know, it's really difficult when you've got so much economic pressure on a project. People want to be successful. You know, they want an A on their report card. Sure, you want to declare victory and go home, right?

You want to do that? Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. But it's more than that. It's not about declaring victory and going home, Bill. It's about declaring a massive success and then taking it somewhere else and doing it over again. So, but if you, you know, I was trained to be a scientist. And one thing about science is you carefully document and log both success and failure

because you don't want people to crash the rocket ship on the rocket test. with the same mistake you made. And so you finally figured out how to get one up into space. So I don't see them doing that. That's part of a good science. And I don't see them coming out and saying, look, we did this and it didn't work. Now we're going to try this. You know, they say it's an experiment, but they're not acting like scientists.

They're acting like smash and grab contractors. And, you know, some of the indigenous people, and I've got the indigenous in my family, you know, Michelle's part indigenous. My sister married an indigenous man from the Klamath tribe. He's one of my best friends. And I have nothing. I know, I'm pro-Indigenous all the way, and I believe in indigenous culture. In fact, we're protecting the indigenous horses.

The spirit horses up here have been here for millennia, you know, and actually longer than Buffalo, by the way. They've been here two million years, E. Cabalas, the modern horse. Buffalo have only been here 200,000 years. So, but, you know, I think that we are with. where we are, and I think the important thing going forward here at this point in time is for people to sober up and to start talking about what the realities are, because if we're going to go do this somewhere else, please, let's not make the same mistakes over and over again.

I mean, that's crazy. Well, nobody just common sense says the smarter way to do a damn removal is to not blow all the, you know, all the silt down the river, if you can't, you know, if you can avoid that. Well, exactly. You know, that when they did, everybody keeps holding out. Elwha Dam, right? Well, Elwha Dam is a whole different river. It's 41 miles long. It's, you know, this frozen water that comes out of the clouds that come down the outside of Vancouver Island,

a thousand miles north of here, into the Olympic Mountains and the trickles down in the, you know, the upper mountain into that little short river. But the Elwha Dam, when they took that out, they dewatered that lake over a period of two years. They just for that reason. They didn't, They wanted the sediment to be stabilized, so they dewatered it slowly, they planted the shoreline as it was exposed, a very careful operation. That was not done here. Now, why? And the only logical answer is that takes a lot of time, and they would lose political momentum. People are very impatient today, right?

Two years to wait to see, you know, the bottom of the lake, you know, well, we don't want to wait around that. We want drama. to see exploding concrete flying through the air and go, yay. Yeah, yeah, we want to see the mud plug, the mud plug exploding out of the outlets and things, right? We want to see all that kind of stuff, the YouTube, yeah, the YouTube videos. I get it. I'll tell you, we'll pick up more on that a little later this week, but I wanted to give you

your quick take, since you just happen to call the show anyway, all right? Yeah, yeah, we'll see on Freedom Friday then. Okay, you got it. Captain Bill Simpson, Wild Horse Fire Brigade, always good hearing from you, all right? Be well. Thank you. 736. Kevin Starr is going to join me here in a few minutes. We want to talk about the state of Oregon's gun retailers, how that is looking these days. There were some questions that have been raised about it, and we'll give him a call here afternoon. 736. If you were a medal winner in the 2025. That's pound 250. Micro. Hi, I'm Steve Potter, body shop manager of Lithia Body and Paint, and I'm on 106.7, KMED.

he joins us, Chief Cook and bottle washer, and I think barrel cleaner over at Oregon Firearms Federation, Oregon Firearms.org.com. Kevin, welcome back. Happy Columbus Day. You're half Italian, and so that means what, we've got to go up there. Okay, so you're a made man, right? Go into the mattresses over and can be on you. Huh? Happy indignant person's day. Hey, that's even better. Indignant person day. Well, we can all be that way. Happy indigent people. people's day. Well, that is sort of the state goal. We understand that. I think that's part of their, you know, Vision 2040. Everyone in Oregon will be indigent, or indigent rather, and indignant about it, I think, at the same time. Well, I am, I am half Italian, and I am from Brooklyn,

and I would certainly have stories to tell, but that would be another time, believe me. Oh, so in other words, stories they cannot make it to broadcast for right now, huh? I would rather clear them through you first. Oh, those must be great stories that. I can't wait. I'll get them off air and then we'll see what we can bet. Hey, Kevin, in all seriousness, though, I just wanted to say, I mean, I know that you have this amazing, you know, website, Oregon Firearms Federation keeping us up on the attacks, which are ceaseless when it comes to the Second Amendment. But I love your substack.

I have to tell you, I love your substack. It's just your little personal substack. And it's, you know, in the past, you will, you're still a photographer, right? you do that as an amazing hobby. And did you do that professionally back in the day? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was my business for many years. I mean, that's what I did in New York.

And that's where I interfaced with the only people in the world who are worse than politicians. And that's people in the fashion business. Oh, the fashion business. Bad, huh? Bad people. Yeah, just, I mean, the most self-absorbed, arrogant, horrible human beings that have ever existed in the world You know, and it kind of prepared me for dealing with Oregon legislators in some respects, except that, of course, those people really don't have the ability to destroy your life unless you choose to let them.

And, of course, Oregon legislators on both sides of the aisle have the ability to implement legislation that can deeply affect and damage your existence. You know, speaking of which last week I talked with state representative, deal he's a good guy you know i've met him before in uh in person before and you know they're all talking about how they're going to get ready and and this is the republican caucus you know getting ready to fight you know to fight to the uh the big tax increases and bring that to the ballot uh next year after kate uh after um i'm sorry not kate brown uh Tina kotech ends up uh you know dragging it out and signing the bill here at the very last possible minute and yet you know the one thing I forgot to ask Ed about, though, is, gosh, couldn't we have saved

ourselves a lot of time or money to have just not been there and then not have to fight it in a ballot measure next year? Or is that... Well, I mean, exactly. I mean, you... It's a very difficult thing to do, especially since Kotech holds all the cards, right? She can drag out the signing of the bill as well, I think, until I think she's 30 business days. I think that's what it said. Yeah. And so she can largely controls the agenda in that respect.

because they were there, they helped pass the bill. Now, they're viewing this as a campaign issue. You know, if the Democrats keep doing horrible things, eventually, Oregonians will get tired and start voting for Republicans. I have never seen any evidence that would indicate that Oregonians have ever been manhandled by Democrats enough to the point where they won't vote for Democrats. I've never seen the evidence. Well, certainly not Portlanders, not Monoma County people,

not the people who control a vote. And, you know, I'd like to believe that's true, but this is the attitude they had when they didn't fight the ballot measure against walkouts because they were convinced there was going to be a red wave and they were all going to control everything. And then they didn't want to be bothered dealing with that. And the fact is they actually lost seats. And if you look at other places, like let's look at New York, which is a horrible condition. I mean, New York's always been a pretty horrible place. But in the last, you know, decade or so, it certainly when Biden filled the streets with dangerous migrants, it's become really truly unlivable again. You know, it's gone through a period like the 80s when it was just a disaster.

But now, rather than people saying, okay, we have to reverse this, they are about to elect a communist mayor. The same is true in Boston where the communist mayor there has an enormous lead. And isn't the same true in the Portland City Council races? Well, of course, the Portland City Council races were kind of a colossal cluster because they had ranked choice voting, which nobody understood, and they went from five people who couldn't get along to 12 people who couldn't get along. But it's true that by and large, there are hostages in Portland who are people who would love to not to be subjected to the city, you see, but they're in the distinct minority. And you can see that by just what's been going on there for years. I mean, it is an ultra-liberal place, and it controls the politics. And there's just no reason to believe that, you know, the people who vote for these clowns may not like the fact that they're living in a hellhole, but they will never vote for a Republican. And if, you know, if that turns out to be wrong, I will be very, very happy, but there's just no, there's just no precedent for it. Yeah, it's just like when people say, well, yeah, we can persuade Democrats to vote for us, and I would say, listen, I've never had. had a situation where, you know, over the last 20, 30 years of my life, when someone would say

that, well, you know, the Republicans have not been really doing well for you, Bill. You want to vote for Democrats here? No. I really don't. I mean, you look at what's been going on in Portland, and there's this enormous amount of psychosis there. I mean, there are so many seriously mentally ill people there. And there's no reason to believe that they are going to overcome their hatred for what they view as, you know, conservative values. There's, you know, there's people who are posting all the time. You look at, you look at what we're seeing on people's ex-feeds, okay? So, particularly, I'm sure you've seen the videos that Kevin Dalgren posts of the fentanyl addicts and the baths all addicts and the homeless people. And it's an absolute disgrace. It's not civilized. It's

not what any normal society would ever accept. And yet, people, are attacking him, saying, why are you showing this stuff? You're making Portland look bad. This goes on in every city. This is only one square block. Yeah, but it's going on here. It's going on here. Exactly. It's all lies. But what if it were true? What if it was one square block? Would that be acceptable? You know, it's just like these people, instead of saying, wow, you know, we're a bunch of good liberals. Thanks for illustrating this. They attack him for showing it. And it's like, it's not real or that he's doing it for somehow for his own benefit, this is not how normal people act. But when you look at places like Portland and New York and Democrat liberal cities,

these are not normal people. And we expect, we always expect that there's going to be some percentage of the population is going to be mentally ill. But what's terrifying to me is how larger percentage it is that you can look at what's going on and people are denying it. We can see in real time what's going on. And what we're faced with are ex post from that clown, Ron Wyden's saying... In fact, let me just play... Yeah, let me just play that. This is the post from X yesterday from Senator Wyden about, you know, in his neighborhood, as he called it.

Hey, everybody. Ron Wyden here. I've been driving around in my neighborhood in southeast Portland. Donald Trump says our city is so scary. Oh, pumpkin. Yeah, that was his... I mean, this is a U.S. senator. When you've witnessed that, and right next to it are the live feeds of the insanity, it's going on. Say, oh, it's one square block.

Well, okay, it's not one square block. But even if it were one square block of protests and riots, what's happening in the rest of the city? Stabbing, shootings, homeless, you know, fires constantly. And people like Wyden and the rest of the people on the left, are just, okay, so they've always been liars, right? We knew that. But we've never had a situation where these lies are instantly disproven by other people on the scene, and yet you get these buffoons like Wyden and Kotech and Merckley pretending it isn't real.

Well, this is a situation, but this is the lie of omission. They're very big on that. He's in southeast Portland in a nice neighborhood right in the middle of the day, right? Not a problem there. Okay, I get that. No, we're not talking about the need for patrolling the entire city at all times 24-7. Well, but we are, but we are because the riots are located in one place, but the shootings and the stabbings and the hit and runs and the drug addicts are everywhere.

And when we see this astonishing video of Tina Kotech and her lobbyist, walking hand-in-hand, skipping through it's like tipping toe, tiptoeing through the tulips, while right out of range is the dignitary protection unit with machine guns, right? It's such blatant, absurd lives that everyone sees in real time is false, but it just doesn't matter. This is not normal, you know. But, and it's not getting any more normal anytime soon from the looks of it here. I think, honestly, President Trump, you know, speaking of what's going on around ice, that he's going to end up winning that at some point.

I think he's going to win it temporarily. Yeah. I mean, after yesterday, okay, so what is Portland's, famous for really effective tactics like a bunch of old fat people riding their bikes naked, right? Okay, lying down on the bridge is naked. I will tell you this. I believe that was an enormously effective tactic because my understanding is as soon as those people drove by, about 75 ice agents immediately begged to be reassigned to anywhere and basically claim that they would rather deal with having laser shot in their eyes than to ever have to see that again.

Yeah, the naked guys on the bridge. Yeah, that's a problem. Sure. Yeah. You notice that the people in Portland who always get naked, whether it's for the bike ride or anything else, they're never the hot ones. Have you noticed that? It's never hot people. It's one of those things that you just ask yourself, okay, what's the intent here? I was at an event years ago, and a lot of that, there was a lot of naked people protesting for one reason. You know, it's funny that, you know, the women who get naked and then paint on their bodies don't look at me, which is always typically very good advice. but what is the purpose of that? And I remember asking somebody, why would anybody do that? And they said, well, that's the only way they can get anyone to look at them. I don't know if that is really what you want to do. But it's so inane. It's so bizarre.

I understand the purpose of the inflatable costumes. That is to create the false image that it's all very playful and friendly, when in fact the people in those costumes are frequently very dangerous, you know, people who have made threats or assaulted other people. It's like in the protests in previous years, they'd always put a line of people in the front who were like the happy moms, who were just being just peaceful holding flowers, and they'd stand in the front of the line while behind them people through rocks and bottles so that the media would show the people in front being arrested,

because, of course, they were the false front of it. And it's all, it's very well planned. It's all fake. the costume thing is it's a tactic you know it's like oh let's dance around and make this all seem very funny well meanwhile people are being attacked attacked people of good people are being arrested they're being sued they're facing all kinds of really dangerous actions on the part of the city and i wanted to ask you about this because this is something you and i were talking about a little bit off here on friday i think is when we were kicking this around and is it is it good for

people from the right, to expect people from the right to be putting themselves into those situations, will it actually accomplish anything long term? Well, I'm talking about the risks that they're taking because if any of them are going in there and getting charged with something and are up for a jury trial, they're dead in Portland. Yes. Okay? We know this after Michael Strickland, what happened with Michael Strickland and all the rest of it. You are not going to get a fair trial in Portland. You cannot. It is impossible. No, you, you, you, you will be assaulted, you will be arrested, you will be sued if you are sued, and you're exactly right. I mean, a recent interview I saw with Mike Strickland reminded me of all the

horrible illegal things that the government did to him, that were just absolutely outrageous, and the government there hasn't gotten better. Whether or not, I do believe it's having an effect insofar as the world is getting to see all the things that the clown media, the KATUs, the KGW, all these fake news. organizations refuse to tell the truth about. And whether it will be long-term, I don't think so. I think there could be a short-term positive effect because the feds are getting involved, and it does look like they've kind of scared the local government there a little bit. You know, one of the camps was removed. But long-term, we can't keep federal a whole bunch of

federal troops there forever, even if the National Guard is there. They can't be there forever. there is a cancer and a rot in that city and that county that is so deep and so widespread and so big that, I mean, look at who keeps getting elected there, even prior to this disaster, debacle of changing the whole city government structure. The people who get elected there are people who support this. And, you know, even people who think, oh, well, we made this big change because we got rid of that crackpot Schmidt, who was the DA, this new guy really isn't that much better. I mean, I've watched him come and testify against people's gun rights in Salem.

You know, he's just another leftist. It's just a different brand of leftism. It might be slightly less to the left. But the city is in such bad shape and controlled by such truly deranged people that what are we going to do? And if you do install a permanent detachment of federal troops there, the National Guard is not empowered to make arrests. and they might be able to do something about the riots in the immediate vicinity of the ice facility. But what happens to all the streets in Portland that are covered with dying fentanyl addicts who are being enabled by the tax money that goes to the non-profits that keeps feeding these people

fentanyl and giving them tents and encouraging them to live on the street because it's because homelessness is really profitable. Yeah, and at the same time that the actual retail or the all, office occupancy rate there, what there, 35%, about a third of it is unoccupied right now, the space downtown, forget about it. You know, they're saying, look, you have Tina Kotech with a straight face saying, there's dozens of shops open. Well, turn the camera around and show the hundreds of shops that are closed.

I mean, the last lesbian bar in Portland is closed, you know, I mean, that should be a red flag to Tina and Amy. You know, it is an absolutely dreadful situation. and no healthy society would allow it. It's like it's not compassionate to allow people to die of drug overdoses in their own filth. When you look at the videos of people like Dowler and putting up, a lot of these people have come here from other places. Why?

Because it's a welcoming environment for the people who are drug addicted and mentally ill. Yeah. And by the way, you'll get your trans surgery taken care of at taxpayer expense. Thank you very much. Get your trans surgery. You know, we'll bring people in from out of state to get abortions and pay for their hotels. And, okay, that costs something, right? And now it's like, well, you know, the states underwater, we have no money, broke, the city's broke.

Well, maybe you could prioritize your expenses, but it's not going to happen because the people who get this money from the taxpayers turn around and make much smaller donations to the Democrats who are running. You know, you've got the unions are in control, the public employees' unions are in control. The money is this circular flow that goes from the Democrats with your taxpayer money to these organizations that then help get them elected, and the good of the people is immaterial. But the problem, the biggest problem, of course, is that the rest of the state is suffering from this. You have a state where a significant number of people are begging to move their, they want to move their population to Idaho. And any normal politician would say, this isn't good. Let me go see how I can fix this. Yeah, how can we actually improve the situation so you in Eastern Oregon actually feel like an Oregonian rather than wanting to go with Idaho?

Right. It's like a battered wife syndrome, right? I mean, it's like, no, we control you. You will do what we say. If you complain, we will smack you around. And this is what we see going on now. When we see it now with this, you know, they have a bill that says, okay, farm workers have to get overtime pay. well as a result farm workers are making a lot less money well a moron could have seen this happen

coming right it was going to happen the farm workers are making less money the farmers are going broke but it doesn't matter because they don't live in portland yeah all the matters is what affects there but even when it's bad in portland they don't seem to care Kevin before we uh take off though i wanted to to focus on a couple of things before we're gone here and turn into a pumpkin Okay. And this has to do with Measure 114, and we know that what's going to happen next on this is, what, a hearing in November, right? We got about a month. November 6th. November 6th. Okay, a couple of days after the election. What is this hearing about? Is this like the final do or die, or does no matter what happens out of it, there will be an appeal filed after that? No. This is the Oregon Supreme Court. So for the state case, this is the end of the line.

Now, obviously, our federal case is still sitting in the Ninth Circuit, where I think it will be long after you and I are gone, because if it sits in the Ninth Circuit, measure 114 is in effect. That's the only other place that it can be fought. Well, the legislature could change, of course, but they won't. So that's where it is. I don't see that the Ninth Circuit has any incentive to act on because if they act on it, then it can go to the U.S. Supreme Court where it can be overturned. Whether it would matter if it's overturned, I don't know, because we already have decisions that basically say you can't do this, and the lower courts are saying,

the hell with you, we're going to do what we want. Yeah, we have Oregon courts that are essentially ignoring the Supremes, which I also find very, very interesting right now. And that's one of the positive things to what we've seen about what's going on in Portland. It has demonstrated because of the court where Karen Emmergood told Donald Trump he could not deployed troops. It has finally demonstrated to the Trump administration what a dangerous lunatic she is. And what, you know, a funny thing is is that our legislators don't know that. I mean, Cliff Pence recently said, I think she's an excellent judge. You know, I don't think he knew who

she was. But that's the one positive thing that may come out of it. But no, once this gets to, in November, once the Oregon Supreme Court has it, there's nothing that could happen except 10 years from now our federal case getting some attention. And I haven't seen any movement on that at all. All right. Now, this takes us to a question I was opposing to you is, what is it like in the retail side of firearms? Now, I had someone the other day that said, boy, you know, I think coastal farm and ranch had, you know, had gotten rid of their, of their gun section. And apparently, I have it on good authority that went there over the weekend. No, it's still there. It's just been relocated to another part of the store, still good. But I know that there

have been other stores that have been closing. We've lost one here in Medford. And I can't help but think that gun stores are going to start looking at political risk very quickly. And I don't know. Is it only going to be the Coastals or the bigger shops that'll be able to do this in this state? Well, I don't, I don't think that the Coastals and the bigger shops won't be able to sell guns because it won't be legal to sell guns. But they'll be able to remain in business because they have a much bigger variety of merchandise to sell so they can they can stay in business after this happens but i don't see how a gun store can and i know of multiple gun stores that have given up and closed because look at look at the position they're in if you're a small

business you may very well have to you know borrow money to have inventory kind of like what a farmer does before they plant crops right sure i mean if you don't know from one minute to the next, whether your hundreds of thousands of dollars in inventory will become contraband or will become virtually impossible to sell, or if you suddenly facing criminal charges for being in possession of some of your contraband, like standard capacity magazines, what do you do? I mean, do you keep getting inventory that you then have to pay for and then really don't have a way to dispose of? And so, I mean, I know of gun stores that are closed. thing I know of one guy who, one business that shut down and moved to Utah. They just gave up a

move to Utah leaving a multi-million dollar facility behind. And when one of the staff there had to return to Oregon for family reasons, tried to find work in the gun business. And it was just not possible. You know, if you got that hanging over your head, who's going to take that chance? And I spoke to a, I was in a gun store in Pendleton not long ago. And the guy said, look, He says, my wife and I have been wanting to sell this business is probably valued at a couple of million dollars. Nobody wants it. Who would buy that? You know, it just doesn't make any sense.

You're buying it. It's such a liability. And the Oregon Supreme Court is staffed by people appointed by anti-gun governors. Yeah, yeah. So what are the chances? I mean, I'm praying for victory, but I'm not optimistic about it. Yeah. Which is unusual for me, right?

Yeah, I know. Normally the cheery kind of guy. But the point being, though, is that you can see, though, that we are about to enter into, dare I say, probably one of the biggest firearms black markets. I think this is where you're going to see it go. That essentially, that Oregon will not be able to purchase a legal firearm, but that will likely not prevent firearms from exchanging hands. Well, right across the border in Idaho,

standard capacity magazines can be purchased by anyone in unlimited quantities. And guess what? Ivermectin is available over the counter. So here is a great black market opportunity for anybody in Oregon. Okay. Well, thanks for the suggestion as we're looking for business opportunities here, Kevin. I appreciate you being on and keep us in the room here, rather, with this case, all right? Thanks so much.

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