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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Hey, we'll take your call, all right? Francine's here. Francine, you wanted to talk about that story I was sharing about the gym twins from the late 1970s. These two identical twins separated for 40 years or so and just uncanny how almost absolutely similar their behaviors and their behavior. and preferences were. It's amazing story.

Yeah, I think I might have read about that at some point, but what I wanted to mention is about 30-some years ago down in California, I had a friend. I was actually living out of her property, and she had put a daughter up for adoption, a baby girl for adoption at birth, and then as an adult, the girl came, you know, the girl found her mom, and they hadn't ever, you know, they had known each other for like 30 years. Their mannerisms, everything about them was just like uncannily just alike. You know, the way they laughed, the way they moved their head, the way they used their hands when they talked. It was like watching twins. I mean, you know, there was a mother and daughter who had never met until, you know, maybe a year or so.

And so it just, you know, there's just no denying, you know, that we, our genetic inheritance is extremely powerful. And the part about this that makes me wonder about political, if political or ideological orientation is inheritable, you know, that kind of thing. And you wonder because, like I said, you'll see a bunch of people in, you know, liberal families more often than not are liberal families, conservative families, more often conservative families, that kind of thing. And what level, what is it? I'm not saying that we're just all completely programmed, but, you know, we almost act as if it doesn't have any influence whatsoever. Could our ideology be actually, you know, inheritable to a certain degree and not just our environment? I know that the left thinks that all they have to do is inculcate is enough and will be like them, but I don't know. What do you think?

Yeah, I don't think that's – I think where that comes from is because you grow up in an environment that is, you know, very, that is very powerful leaning into one thing. It's like religious. People that have come from a very religious family tend to be very religious. You know, that's an upbringing thing. So I think there is a difference, and there's probably some crossover between the two regarding some things, but I haven't got the, you know, the knowledge to know whether that comes. Yeah. Well, the part that I would say, that has always amazed me, is that we know that there are personal characteristics of animals, right? We know that there are personality and certain behavioral characteristics that are genetically, in fact, we would even breed

animals, you know, for such purposes, right? Yeah. Yeah, for any, you know, dogs, I mean, let's be honest, a pit bull usually has a different personality profile than a golden retriever, right? We know that. Well, yeah, they're genetically bred to be, to have a different reaction. My dog is a cattle dog. Yeah, and I agree, but what I'm getting at, though, is that it doesn't have any effect on

humans, though, right? That's what we're supposed to believe. No, no. I understand where you're coming from on that bill, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, I mean, people are, we are capable of being educated and making choices, just many people don't bother. Ah, maybe that's the difference, that part of the environment. All right.

Francine, I appreciate the call. Thank you for making it. 7705-633. It is Pebble in your shoe Tuesday. Hi, good morning. And who might you be? Hello. Hello.

Yeah, you got Dan again. Oh, Dan, glad to get you back. What point were you trying to make before your cell dropped, huh? Well, so, Scripture says that we battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of darkness. And I think if we kind of sit back and really take stock of how we see a lot of decisions that are being made throughout the world, you have to go, well, this is just pure darkness.

It's evil. It's just so far out there You almost can't explain it any other way That's point one And point number two is I've got a granddaughter that's way out there And we don't agree on very many things But what we have decided to do

Is just we sit down We chat about some things I listen to what she has to say She listens to what I have to say And when we don't agree that's okay We'll move on but we still love each other. And I think that's a very important thing that we have to realize.

And at the end is, yeah, we've got to get along somehow. We don't have to compromise, but we've just got to agree to disagree and still accomplish what needs to be accomplished and then move on. Yeah, that's very wise, Dan. I appreciate you sharing that. And I'm glad you talked about keeping those connections because I have to laugh about what I used to do. disagree with, what I used to disagree about politically with my father. And then as I have

gotten older and, well, closer to where he, you know, he's no longer with me, though, but how much smarter my dad has gotten over the years. It's just amazing how his intelligence has risen. You're right. I get it. I get it. Thank you very much. Hey, appreciate the call. Thanks for being there, Dan. It's 18 minutes after seven. How did the updates on the way. We'll take more of your pebble in your shoe Tuesday calls, too, anything that happens to be on your mind. By the way, the talk we were supposed to have today with the creek side quarter pack, you know, the one that is hoping to get you to vote to allow the city council to raise the hotel motel taxes in order to get the seed funding for this big

development and the ball stadium downtown, you know, that sort of thing. They were supposed to come today, that has been rescheduled to Friday morning, okay? And Thursday night, they're going to have the Town Hall 5.30 over at the RCC campus, okay? I'm Matt Jordan. Join me from... Here's Bill Meyer. 22 after 7. Pebble in your

shoe Tuesday. This is a great time to get in and share your thoughts. By the way, I wanted to clarify and be a little more specific about what is going on with this Creekside Quarter Development Project, Measure 1538. And you can learn more about

the impacts, how it will be paid for. Town Hall takes place Thursday, 530 to 7. And I said RCC campus, I want to be more specific about that. It's the RCC-SOU Higher Education Center in downtown Medford is where that is going to be going on, okay? But like I said, we'll be talking with the proponents of it. You know, it's, and this has been a bit of a challenge for me, because people are saying, well, you know, don't you want progress? Don't you want progress? And I am not a huge fan. I'm not a huge fan of the public-private partnership model.

And I know that that is where cities are going. They're looking to find a way to do some redeveloping. And also in a de-industrialized time, as the system is trying to get you to do less that is mattering. So, okay, how do we keep the plate spinning? How do we keep the plate spinning? Well, we have to have people spending their dollars for whatever it is, you know, for my ties and going out and seeing ball games, you know, that kind of thing and trying to, you know, churn, you know, churn what dollars that we have here because we're not doing nearly as much of the manufacturing around here that we once did, certainly the natural resource production. And it's been kind of tough. It's been tough economic activity.

Even, you know, as we think about, they say, okay, well, Southern Oregon is just a huge medical hub, right? You'll hear that. And isn't that great? That it is great for the economy. And by the way, nothing against, you know, medical, because I go to medical, people I know get into medical. But a huge medical community in another way is also indicative of a lot of people who aren't that healthy. Have we ever looked at it? that way? It doesn't happen very often. I couldn't help but think about that as we had Tony

Lyons on from Maha Action, you know, that sort of thing. Ultimately, with rare exception, doctors, nurses, everything we're doing are in reaction to we have problems. Now, some of it, of course, will be through the aging process and there are natural deteriorations of facilities. You know, I understand that part. I'm not trying to say, but ideally, wouldn't it be great if you didn't need a big medical community? And then medical people could go off into other directions, let's say. Maybe they would be had been repurposed for something else. It's, in some ways, it's kind of sad that to be civilized or is that you have to have a large medical community.

talking about general practitioners and things like that yeah we know you'll get hurt you'll break bones you get burns you get things like that all right i get that but isn't that interesting how we tell wow we're going to have the uh the big medical community the big medical community ultimately especially the way we're working at these days is a big is a big cost on society really i don't want to say parasitic but it's uh no it's not i'm not trying to be unkind you know about this but ideally Gosh, if we just kept ourselves healthier, we wouldn't need nearly as large of a medical community. And we also wouldn't be complaining about whether it is taking care of Oregonians with Obamacare tax credits

or if we should be taking care of illegal aliens with Obamacare tax credits and that the Republicans and the Democrats are kind of duking it out with one another. Who's with me there, huh? 7705-633. Happy to have you here on the Bill Meyers show. $5 credit for auto pay and e-billing C-Sysite for additional facts. This is the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Got something on your mind?

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No way. Bob Shan writes me, Bill. Good morning. if you will be having the tax pack rat pack speakers on today, well, it's going to be on Friday, Bob. Please emphasize the 47% of this tax increase going to travel Medford and the big question as to where will the rest of the public's money come from? I'm still not sold on buying city leadership a new pony.

Kind regards. Bob. Hmm. All righty. Well, we'll have to see about that. I am kind of curious as to why we would be raising Hotel Motel taxes and giving almost half of it to travel Medford. I don't understand that either. It could be part of the deal that whatever the hotel multi-tax rises to Bob, they get half of it anyway, which is an interesting way of running the railroad. But, you know, I disagree. Thanks for the email, by the way.

We'll have more emails of the day coming up. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Bill. Good morning. This is Kathy. and I'm not a resident of Medford.

But for some reason, this ballpark thing is just getting under my skin. Why is that? Well, number one, who's the Major League team that sponsors this team? It is, is it the A's? I don't know. Eugene Emeralds? I don't know. I think it is the A's. But aren't the major baseball teams pay millions of dollars in salaries

and are owned by billionaires? They can support their own dang team. Yeah, well, I don't think the owner, the owner of the Eugene Emeralds is not a major league owner. It's not like their affiliations. They're not, it's not like the Oakland A's or the San Francisco Giants own the team. Different people do. But it's under their umbrella. It's under their auspices.

It feeds into their major league team. And number two, I've just, I think it's because that very first meeting when you talk to one of the councilmen, and he said, oh, it's only $30,000 or $60,000 just to do the look into this. And I'm like, okay, what, what? And so are we as taxpayers actually paying for the ads that are supporting the Big Boy Network and whoever owns that property is going to make billions of dollars? That's my other thing. I don't think the city, I don't think city money is going into the political action committee.

there are many people, I think, that do want to put money. I imagine there's probably some chamber dollars in there and a few other things. I haven't looked into the funding aspect of it, but I don't think that the city itself is directly involved in the political action committee. Okay. And the other is, are they really tearing houses down to do this monstrosity? And have you driven through Medford lately, especially the zombie apocalypse at about 6 o'clock every day? with everybody gathering to get their drugs,

and the only place of respite is Hawthorne Park. I mean, I just don't get this with all the open land we have unless this feeds into the 20-minute neighborhood thing. That's a pretty interesting theory there. I can't answer that question, but you raise an interesting question. Yeah, and I would love to go to the meeting, but I'm not going to walk through Medford. from, I'm not going there.

Those people, it's scary. I don't know if you'd have as much trouble getting to the RCC section at 530 on a Thursday. I don't think that's too, too bad, really. Okay. I've had to drive it the entire way. Okay, well, all right, well, I'll tell you what. You come over there, you know, meet me, and I'll cover you, all right. We'll walk in together, okay?

How about that? Is that okay? You happy? No. All right. You know, I'll strap on an open. and carry so that way the zombies know that I'm packing, okay? But I appreciate

you letting me complain for what, four minutes. That was awesome. That's what we do. It's pebble in your shoe Tuesday. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Bill, Dennis. I have a question, Bill. Yes. I know that the

Major League teams are tax exempt. Are the minor league teams tax exempt? And if that's the case, where the hell's all this tax money going to come that the city is saying they're going to make from having this team here. I don't, I'm not aware that Major League Baseball is tax-exempt. Or maybe they have tax-exempt deals with their cities in order to pay for their,

for their stadiums. They're just like the NFL, the NBA, NHLs, they're all tax-exempt. They're non-profit. Really? Yeah, look it up, Bill. Okay, well, you're going to make me look it up because, you see, you know how much I, you know how much I pay attention to sports, which. just like nothing. I'm just not one of those sports guys.

I don't either anymore because they're a bunch of winers. Okay, we'll do. Okay, now I'm going to look this up. All right. Thanks for the call. Let me see. This is Major League Baseball, blah, blah, blah, is Major League Baseball Nonprofit. Major League. Okay, I'll keep typing, and I'll answer another call. I don't know if this is Herman Berchiger. It might be Herman coming in. I don't know. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You're right. It is Herman. Good morning.

See, I should have known it was you. I should have known. it was you. It's like we always have a little talk on Oregon politics and more, and we'll do that coming up. Do you happen to know if Major League Baseball is a nonprofit? Do you know? I do not have that information, Bill. Oh, okay. I'm taking a look here.

Major League, get involved, and I can see is Major League Baseball. Oh, the League was previously a tax-exempt nonprofit under Section 501C of the Internal Revenue Code, but in 2007 it voluntarily surrendered its nonprofit status.

So Major League Baseball, the Major League Baseball organization is no longer a nonprofit, but it was at some point. Okay, well, we learn something every day, Herman. Herman, there we go. All right. Well, let's kick things around again. Give me about two, three minutes. We'll be right back, okay?

Perfect. All right. 7705-633. Well, I hold the calls here for right now. We'll have some more time for that. This is the Bill Myers Show. We're here with it. And I'm on KMED.

Good to have. have you here on pebble in your shoe Tuesday. Every pebble in your shoe Tuesday, we kick things around here politically, state and otherwise, and we have former state senator Herman Barrettichiger. Herman, it is great to have you back on here. Just a lovely day here in southern Oregon, and we're all kind of wondering is that do you think that it can hold together the Gaza deal? This is kind of of national, national and world importance. And I'm thinking that because of all of the interlocking business deals that it may have a better chance than past peace deals. I could be wrong about that, but you're a business guy. What do you think about that in the way Trump has

formulated this so far? Well, there's that and there's the other thing that public opinion on the Gaza, that just the average people living there is starting to change too. And so that's what makes this a little different than other, you know, because this has been tried before. We all know that many times. Many, many times. But this is a little different this time. So, you know, I think it has, let's just say it has probably a better chance than it has ever had in the past. Well, I hope so, because it would be great to see a little less drama coming out of that section of the world, people getting along better.

Absolutely. I think that would, yeah. And it's a big deal. I mean, It's a very big deal because if this does hold and everything, that really gives Trump a lot more credibility on the world stage. Really does. Yeah. Well, you get the credit. Get the credit. Well, they're already trying to. But, you know, you had Obama come out.

You had Clinton come out and you even had Biden come out. So it's hard to walk those statements back. So that's pretty interesting. But there is a crowd over there. So, oh, we're not going to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because we've got to see how this goes first, you know. Oh, give me a break. Well, at least if Trump gets it at some point, he'll get it for actually having accomplished something with Obama. I remember it was such an embarrassing scam that, you know, he just getting in there, he ends up getting the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's like, huh? Okay, just by nature of the power of his personality, I guess. It was just, that was kind of embarrassing. Right, right. But, you know, I mean, despite, you know, all the controversy around Trump and everything, the one thing I would like to highlight, he is a real leader. I mean, he's always at the tip of the spirit. And, you know, Biden didn't do any of that.

Come on, let's just be honest. He just didn't do any. But Trump is always at the tip of the spear, whether you agree or disagree with him, he does show some of the best leadership skills that we've had. in a long time, Bill. What is your opinion, State Senator, for the shutdown politics and how this is playing? And I know that, and I don't want to just go like a, hey, rah, rah, Rob, Republicans are winning because, you know, I'm a Republican, you know, that kind of thing. I'm wondering if the health care, the ACA subsidies are going to be a big enough, a big enough sticking point that we're going to have to cut a deal.

Johnson's going to have to cut a deal to pay some of those or come up with some way. of keeping it going in a temporary way and then maybe yank it some other way at some other point how are you saying that i don't think so and i it this is this is about this is about one person and that's chuck schumer that's what this whole thing is about because um politically he is so threatened by aOC that he you know that that guy if you look back

he has voted for for um keeping the government open 29 out of 30 times. Now all of a sudden he's not. And it's all because if he doesn't go along with the radical left in his caucus, he's bye-bye. I mean, you're going to have AOC there. So it's really about one person. I think that's pretty selfish when you have hundreds of thousands of people not going to work and possibly some of them losing their jobs and everything. I don't... Well, yeah, that part of it is the selfish part. But I think the Democrats actually are, I'm not saying it's a good point, but the expiring Obamacare subsidies, which were supposed to be

temporary, supposed to be temporary, but you know, as well as I know, as all the listeners know, too, that a temporary government program almost never goes away, right? We know it's like a, there's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program. But, you know, we have real people that will be getting hit really hard because the system is broken. And so, the Democrats are trying to make hay with it, I think they're being a little or somewhat successful making hay about it, because it is real. I don't think it is a fake situation when you have

people saying, hey, I'm going to go from 250 a month for my Oregon Health Insurance Exchange purchase to $1,250 a month. That's real. And I don't think it's something that can be necessarily shoved under the carpet right now, or put under the rug for the timing. That is one side of the conversation. The other side of the conversation is you're going add a trillion and a half dollars to the debt. So, you know, I've always said, you know, nothing in life is for free and people got to quit saying, well, I just want it from the government because it's just, you know, they're going to have to restructure their lives. Unfortunately, many people are going to fall through the cracks. Yeah, but when you are told that you have to have, you have to

have insurance, remember, we're supposed to buy insurance, right? Yeah. And if you're an individual and you can't buy it for less than 1,000 or 1,200, you know, who, you know, how many people can afford that? Not many. Bill, it's a conundrum. There's no question about it because, oh, what will happen is, you know, the whole reason to have this kind of nationalized insurance across the board and affordable insurance and everything is to keep people out of the ER room. That's really, that's what it was about because the hospitals were going broke because they were picking up the tab. Now, my thing is that I would like to see the state of Oregon concentrate on what money, what Medicaid money that they do have, what Oregon health plan money that they have be concentrated and really concentrated on serving Oregonians. But you know the way Oregon does it, though, and we've talked about this before, is that we end up getting that Medicaid money.

yeah, we'll farm it out to Oregon citizens, Oregon residents, but then it just allows the state of Oregon to backfill what they really want to do, and that's pay for illegal alien care. You're that right? Is that what happens? You've been involved in that. That's some of it, too. But also the conversation that needs to be had is,

so we always have this conversation about who's going to pay for what. Why don't we have a conversation is why does it cost so much? Why does health care cost so much in the United States compared to the rest of the world? Well, part of it is that so-called health care. Health care insurance is not really insurance. It is prepaid health care. You get everything free after you pay $1,200 a month, you know, that kind of thing. You know, how come an MRI in this country cost three times as much as the MRI across the world?

Regulatory. That's the regulatory state, not only the regulatory state, plus I would dare say that. that you have, you know, well, the hospitals, of course, I would imagine, or are pretty happy to keep the prices as high as possible, too. Well, what other country in the world pays, their staff, the rates that we pay, and I know there's because some people are probably going to go ballistic over my comment. But, I mean, I've always said in my political career, why does it cost so much more money to provide for health care in this country?

is it does any place else in the world. Now, people who are not critics would say it's because we're worth it. Well, yeah, and well, you actually wish. Some people say you can't put a price on it, you know? Yeah. Well, everything has a price. Everything has a price, unfortunately. Everything.

And that's just how the world is. You know, that's how life is. So there's a couple conversations that really need to be had is why, you know, does it cost so much money to provide health care in this country? I mean, why, you know, are some people in the health care profession making six times or eight or ten times more than somebody doing the same job in other countries? So that's what we need to figure out. Now, have you noticed that there has been absolutely no discussion as we have all this talk about the Obamacare subsidies expiring and people can't afford to buy the coverage, et cetera, et cetera? and yet the people of Oregon passed a universal health care law a number of years ago.

Did we not? On the ballot? Yeah, but it's non-funded. Yeah, there's no funding for it. Well, how to pay for it. How to pay for it? Well, but, Bill, let's be frank. You know, the state, especially the state of Oregon, took advantage of the Obamacare.

by putting a whole bunch of non-citizens on it. Let's just be frank. So what does that do? It makes it more expensive. So there you have it. All right. We cannot afford to provide free health care for the entire world. You just can't do it.

That we certainly cannot, though. But yet I'm saying that when it comes to a public opinion, the whole thing about when you get a bunch of Oregonians hurting over this one, that will play here in this. Because people will not think much more deeply than, Oh, poor dear. She's going to go from $250 a month to $1,250 a month, right? And then...

Well, a public opinion is always going to parallel their wallet. You know, whether it's a reality or it's not a reality, the public opinion is always going to look at their wallet. Yeah, but you were saying we can't afford it, and that's true, we can't afford it, but... You can't afford it. Yeah, but looking at the price of gold is relation to the dollar, though, it, chances are we're going to be continuing a pell-mell down printing more, wouldn't you think, ultimately?

Oh, and that's what, that's what's, there you go. That's what's driving gold up is we keep printing more money. And, you know, that's what printing more money is what causes the inflation. And the inflation is where we see the higher health care costs and hire, hire this, hire that, hire this. So we're doing the same old thing, expecting different results. As we run out of other people's money. Oh, well. It's going to be interesting times here.

Oh, absolutely. Now, then, how do you think this is going to play out here? Let's wrap up this morning with what happened. There was the emergency. Chris, I'm just laughing out loud. He was just trying to say it. The emergency naked bike ride in Portland on Saturday. This was the protest against the ice, you know, the ice actions over in the city of Portland here.

So they all had to get naked and ride out in the cold. brain and get all, I mean, just incredible, incredible, incredible dedication from our hard left demonstrators, sir. What do you think? Well, you know, my only criticism is you think that they would have found some other people that didn't have such loose skin. So, you know, I just, I just shake my head over Portland, Bill. Yeah. I just like, really, what are you accomplishing? All right. I shared a picture from that. I mentioned this earlier in the show, Herman, that you know, young lady, she's putting the sparkly things

around her eyelids and on her arms and on the tattoos and, you know, all that kind of stuff and she's out there doing her thing. And you can tell from the look on her face that she honestly thinks that she's accomplishing something. You know, that's the look. And

the thought that someone like that votes, for some reason, gives me an upset stomach a little bit. Oh, it gives me chills, you know. It's just, you know. And all of this stuff going on in Portland, and we see it in the violence and the protesting and the arrest and everything.

And then you have Senator White and says, oh, Portland, I don't know why Trump is doing. It's such a peaceful, tranquil city. We don't have any problems or anything. The line that goes on by some of these politicians is nauseating. absolutely nauseating. Yeah, you got that right. But still, the same people I think they were protesting naked on the bike are the same people holding up the signs around the world

that say, migrants welcome. I mean, really, isn't that our equivalent here? Well, it's changing. I don't know if you've been paying attention of what's going on in England. England's on fire. I mean, it's coming, it's unraveling fast. And politically, it's, it's, um,

It's a very interesting situation to watch politically. So, you know, you have the Labor Party, which is kind of the left. You have the Tories Party, which has historically been to the right. But now what Nigel Farage has this conservative party, and it has more support than the other two parties put together. So this next election cycle, and they're running on this is going to be very interesting. And if they win, they're running on so many things that, Trump ran on. You know, we're going to get rid of the legals. We're going to do this.

We're going to do that. So, it's on fire. England. And you know, you don't... Well, England is no longer for the English, though. You know that. Well, that's what they're trying... Well, this new party that Nigel Farage has been involved in. He's the next prime minister, in my opinion. Yeah. That's the next prime minister. I mean, he got Brexit done, and now he's going to do this. And that is the pro-England party, I would say. I mean, they call themselves a conservative party.

I'm wondering, though, if it's too late because, you know, demographics are destiny and number one baby name in England, Muhammad. Absolutely. Look at how many mayors are Muslim in England now. Mm-hmm. but as I always say politics is not static it's dynamic and it's ever changing so let's see what happens all right Herman always a pleasure talking with you I'm sure there'll be more crazy news to talk about next week in the meanwhile anyway I hope it gets some better at looking people out on the naked bike rides okay we'll see you that'll be worth watching all right take care now

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