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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Untamed. Unbroken. Still free. I am a wild stallion. There we go. Captain Bill Simpson ended up composing that song. And then you fed it into the AI and that's what they came out with and you tweaked it a little bit. And I think he did a great job on that.

And I have people that still write me that said they were in tears, Captain Bill, after that song. I think it speaks to people's American spirit, not just about the horses, but I think about America in general. It speaks to something that is still there, maybe buried under the drama of today, but still there. How are you doing this morning? Yeah, good morning. Thank you, Bill. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that, well, of any of the species on this planet, we have a co-evolution overlap with wild equids that goes back.

I mean, history shows we started breeding horses for our own use about 6,500 years ago. And so we have this evolutionary overlap with them. They're integral to us. Well, of any two species, we're probably bound to them in many ways. and, you know, people talk about cowboys and this and that. I was having the debate yesterday in Medford was a lady who likes horses, but she really doesn't understand natural history or evolution, and she was talking about cowboys, and I said, well, I said,

she was trying to say that something to the effect that the first cowboys had cattle, and I go, well, you don't know your history very well, do you? Because the first cowboys were actually African. All the cattle came from Africa. They did, they're not from here. So the original cowboys were actually Africans managing Watousis, which were brought over from the span, by the Spanish and Portuguese, and then because they had those big long horns, the Texans started calling them Texas longhorns. But the original cowboys were actually African people and not American. I did not, not one.

I didn't know that. Well, you know, if I can learn something every day that I like a day like that, Captain Bill, that's good. Yeah. Well, let's think about it. There was no cows here, and how do you have a cowboy without cows? Well, we did have bison, though. Did we not have bison? Well, yeah, but see, it's a little bit different, you know, cowboy, right?

Yeah. So, yeah, and bison, by the way, deer elk, bison, all those critters came across bryngea 200,000 years ago. So the oldest bison fossil we have is only 200,000 years. When you look at wild horses, we have fossils that go back 55 million. years in North America, because all horses in the world evolved here first, that's the fact. And then we have E. Cabalus, the modern horse that we all see, has been here two million years. So that's 10 times longer than bison. Now, what is more American than a North American wild horse? Not a bison, that's for sure. And it's disingenuous, I think, for political people, for political

gain and economic gain to fool the American people into thinking the bison is our national mammal, and nothing could be farther from the truth. Not even, you know, the indigenous and the bison, the indigenous came after the bison had come across the bryngia, and then North American indigenous peoples came across about 30, 40,000 years ago. No, no, no, no, wait a minute, what? Captain Bill, I do not like you spreading misinformation because we are celebrating. This week, we are required to celebrate Indigenous People's Day.

And Indigenous Peoples means that they were always here. They didn't come from any place else. They were here. Always. From the primordial ooze they came out. What are you speaking? What are you trying to do? Because after all, Columbus came and it all went to blazes after that.

Yeah. Well. Having fun with you, though, but I can't help. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, we can't have a sense of humor about this, what's left, right? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, but, you know, facts are facts. Science doesn't lie. Carbon dating is accurate. You know, the oldest Native American remains are dated in the neighborhood of 30,000 to 40,000 years. The oldest fossils from, you know, deer elk, bison are about 200,000 years old. And the oldest fossils of wild equids, and there were, I think, five or six different variants. 55 million years ago, but the successful variant is the one we see today, Equus Cabalus, which has been here two million years.

And, by the way, they survived the Ice Age, contrary to what the BLM says. We're finding archaeological remains, Native American gravesites. One of the traditions was you were buried with your horse, if you were one of the shaman or somebody that was managing horse breeding, the Lakota respected them as the horse nation. Boy, it's kind of sad for the horse, right? Boy, so my rider dies, so I have to die with him. Was that the way it was? Yeah, well, you know, as tradition, it's, you know,

who's to speak about what's right or wrong, really? I mean, I don't know. Yeah. And, you know, they have this, you know, it's part of their tradition and culture. So, but the good news is, is we have scientific evidence that the indigenous were living among wild horses, 5,000 years ago. Well, that's way before Columbus showed up, you know, 440 years ago. Well, what about the critics who will say that it was the Spaniards who brought the current

what we look at as our wild horse here? What do you think? Well, I just addressed that. You know, when you have a fossil, a horse fossil dated at 5,000 years before present, that's after the ice age and before Columbus. Columbus came in 1492. If you have a horse fossil, a horse fossil, Equuscabalus is 5,000 years old, that's after this ice age. You know, the BLM has spread this mythology so wide, it's so prevalent.

Well, what is the purpose of the BLM doing this, though, in your opinion? Now, I know, now you're all in on the horses. I get this. Captain William E. Simpson with me once again, Wild Horse Fire Brigade. But why are they, what is the, I guess, incentive to downplay existence of these, of these animals, I guess. Okay. Well, okay, so first of all, if anybody's seen Spielberg into the west, the documentary

about the, you know, the European settlers and what happened, the Native Americans, the Native Americans were pretty much wiped out because the Europeans had superior infantry and weaponry and took over the land and pretty much ended the culture. I mean, you weren't allowed to have any of your cultural practices. You know, you had to cut your hair. They put you into these religious schools. Yeah, I had to learn English, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, they wiped out the bison because that was part of their culture.

And they wiped out their horses because the Spaniards had big cavalry horses. You know, a conquistador, you know, with all of his equipment, he weighs about 400 pounds. You got a big guy, you got armor, weapons, saddle, supplies. And you can only put about 20% of a horse's body weight on his back. So you need a horse that probably weighs in the neighborhood of 1,400,000. hundred pounds. Now, when the French came here, they saw these horses, just like we have today up here on the monument. They were about 800-pound horses. And the French, who came deeper in the U.S. than anybody, way before this, they were talking to the Sioux Lakota before the

Spaniards got there, before anybody else. And in their diaries, which were all written in French, of course, and studied by a scholar from LaValle University, what they talked about is that they saw, and I'm using their terminology, they saw the Indians with ponies. And they called them ponies, because where these guys came from in France, a horse that size was a pony. It wasn't a horse. And, you know, so we've got all this evidence. We've got post-sized age remains. We've got pre-Columbian remains of horses. We have, and to answer your question, the reason the BLM, it's a continuance of the complete erasure of indigenous culture. They don't, you know, we, the United States cavalry did not want to have mounted

cavalry, Native Americans, fighting against them, because cavalry are, are effective. So, if you've got a Native American who can ride bareback and outride your cavalry guys and shoot arrows from underneath the neck of the horse, you know, that's a real, that's a real threat. So they said, well, let's get rid of their tanks. Basically, it's warfare. The army, the U.S. Cavalry said, let's kill the horses. Let's round them up. Let's get. rid of them so the Indians are on foot. And that's what they, I'm using the terms they use in those days. I don't mean to be disrespectful in any way. You know, Michelle's a part indigenous. My brother-in-law is clamus. So that's what, that was the terminology used. And so the bottom

line is that they didn't want them having cavalry. Now, today you look at what the BLM's doing. The BLM is engaged in the maximum monetization of public land and a horse is a non-commercial herbivore, other than the cash flow from this black market slaughter business that they say doesn't occur. But every news reporter and investigative journalist that's looked into what's happening with American wild horses, they get adopted by people who end up taking them to the border and they end up in Mexican meat grinders for pet food. So the bottom line is, and even Ken Zalazar, the GAO published a report, Ken Salazar, the

former head of the DOI, got caught with his neighbor, Tom Davis. They got 1,700 American wild horses. We all own them. They're public assets. And they ended up down there in Mexico and a meat grinder, and those guys got all the money. And neither two of those men got busted. None of them, they never got prosecuted for conversion of federal crime. So the corruption runs deep and rampant, and it has to do with the fact that livestock, cows, and sheep make more money.

And they have this constant ruse. They say, oh, you know, the horses are starving. I mean, we need to rent them up. Well, but you know, they're right about that, though. They probably do make more money because we don't eat horses in our culture. Yeah, I agree. It's an economic pressure. But if we do everything in this world, and especially in the United States, the land of the free and the brave, if we do everything for money, I mean, where does that end?

I mean, where does everybody buy a rifle and a sniper scope and become mercenaries? I mean, where does it end? What will you do for money? Well, you sell your soul and the strong, wild horse, or wild stallion, I should say, is about our American tradition and culture. I mean, we built this whole country off their back. We were partners in developing the nation's, you know, the world. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I'm just running short on time, Bill, but I appreciate you kind of explaining some of that in the back from your point of view on this here.

I think I know how you can save the wild horses, and what you have to do is have them declared data centers for AI, and then the skies will open up. Everything will be fine. Well, we don't even need to do that. I've already done the detailed documentary work and the economic data that shows that we reallocate these horses as fuel managers, what we can end up doing is we can end up saving about $5 billion a year. But then you end up eliminating the funding source for a lot of people whose rice bowls are broken if you end up having fewer fire people hired over time. Would that be a fair?

I mean, these are sort of the battles that the Wild Horse Fire Brigade faces in reality. Well, okay. Well, let's... Okay, yeah. What you're looking at is federal spending. One person's federal spending is another person's income is what I'm getting at here. This is the challenge I think you face. But at what expense?

People are dying from the smoke. 5,000 Californians die every year prematurely from smoke. Do you want to make a living knowing that you're killing people? There's a question. Just think about when you're falling asleep at night if you're sleeping. And then people's homes being destroyed. And then on top of that, no matter how many firemen and helicopters and people we got, we have more fires than they can put out.

These fires burn for months. Now, let me talk to you about Wild Horse Fire. fire begin and government has been kind of reticent or not really willing to to do full large scale trials of this having am i wrong about that i don't think any any government agencies have done anything with this so far am i right or wrong so far no okay all right now uh you're telling me and i'd like to hear about this then what about private landowners who are doing what the federal government other than yourself you're telling me that there are more private landowners now who are experimenting then with a combination of what, wild horses, burrows, things like that, to chew down the, well, in other words, to behave as nature's lawnmowers, as was intended.

Now, is that starting to grow a bit here, maybe on the private land? Yeah, absolutely. We're seeing more and more people that are now getting horses and putting them in areas because they just don't want to be in the livestock business, for one reason or the other. You know, being in the livestock business, I was in it. You know, I grew up in the FFA and the Applegate. I mean, it isn't easy. There's a lot of work. People don't want to do all that work having cattle and sheep.

So you get a horse. If a horse gets killed by a lion or whatever, wolves, we have a lot of wolves and lions down here in Siskue County. It's not like you lost a $2,000 cap. You know, calves right now are going, I mean, a couple months ago there were a thousand. I was amazed, $1,000 for a calf, really. But now they're $2,000. Boy, it's kind of like gold. All right.

So if you wanted to try out a wild horse and put it on your land here, could you actually call up the BLM or find a way to just place an order? Could you do an order I call up and say, hey, you don't like working with these animals? I'd like to take one or two and put him on my property someplace. Can you do that? How does that work? Yeah, yeah. Well, it's not like DoorDash or anything, but what would happen is the BLM,

regularly circulates offerings for auctions. And so they'll round up the horses. And, of course, you're not going to get a breeding horse. You're going to get a gelding or a sterilized mare. They're using sterolent called gonacone on all the animals. So the genetics are dropping off to, I mean, we're losing genetic diversity. But you can get one of these genetically mutilated horses from the BLM at one of their auctions. And you adopt the horse, you sign papers, then you'll keep it for,

take care of it, et cetera, et cetera. If you have a wild horses coming into your area, can you adopt one or not? Well, no, okay, I don't know. I'm sorry if it's a stupid question. All right, all right. Let's say that someone's, I mean, the wild horses that are around your property, your ranch down in Northern California, are they branded or are they marked somehow? How do we know who's a wild horse it is, let's say?

Oh, okay. So the herd down here belongs to the county recognized our ownership back in 2022. Okay. We've been taking care of this particular herd for the last 12 years almost now, spending, you know, about $50,000 a year on them to make sure that, you know, good health and maintain, you know, any domestics we remove from the area, you know, obvious domestics, they've got to go because they can't be out here.

But in other areas, there are a few herds here and there in Oregon. You still have a few here and there. but people that want to have horses on their property should never get just one because they get depressed. They're social, so you need two or more on your land. And you can get them, there's ways to get a lot of horses. I mean, you know, you can get them directly from the BLM through adoption. There are a lot of people.

The reason the horses end up at these auctions down in Texas and end up in the meat grinder is because a lot of people will get a horse not realizing that if you have a small acreage, you know, like five acres or something, that's not going to be suitable for two horses where you're going to end up having to feed them. And then if the terrain is improper, you're going to have to do their hooves. You're going to have to, you know, have a ferrier. Yeah, but you're a promoter then, you're a promoter then of having these horses

in these, in these areas that are difficult to firefight and cut the brush in, right? That's what you're advocating from what I understand. Absolutely. I mean, I'm not talking about creating an economic conflict. I'm saying, let's create more great. grazing for the ranchers by removing them from the existing grazing lands where, oh, by the way, the predators have been exterminated with great prejudice. So the horses overpopulate because of man caused problems, not because of the horses overpopulating. They were in balance with nature until we showed up and killed all their co-avoled predators.

That was our problem. We made that problem, not the horses. So in those areas where livestock grazing is real popular and the predators have been massacred by the U.S. hunters and by ranchers, the horses are a problem because their population is no longer controlled by nature. So you get them from those areas. You move them out of there. Okay, right away, you get more grazing for the ranchers.

Ranchers benefit. And then you put the horses where they're going to be happy back into real wilderness and where they actually provide some fire fuel management, which, just a little bit of that, given the cost of these fires every year, it amounts to billions of dollars in. savings because not only you're saving forests from being destroyed like we did back here in 2018 during the Clamathon Fire, but when you reduce smoke, you're saving people's lives, literally. I would agree with you. I would agree with that formula, Bill.

All I would say, though, is that I'm not convinced, though, that the system really wants less spending on firefighting at this point in time. Now, maybe I'm wrong, you know, about that. But, you know, here's what's happening. Okay, science always lagged peer review, and which is basically how quick do we release our stubborn position to adopt a new better idea. You know, peer review is outdated.

That's got to go away. Because, you know, I mean, peer review said the earth was flat while Copernicus and Galileo were saying you're wrong, and then finally they caught up, okay? So the point is this. you know, with the horses and the fire reduction, yeah, there are jobs out there, but there always be those jobs. Those jobs, you know, no matter how many horses, if they gave us every horse in America, which the sterilized ones, there's about 70,000 in government holding,

and then we've got maybe 45,000 horses still running around that aren't sterilized yet. If we got them all and put them out there, there's still going to be more fire than our fire guys can handle, more fire than they can handle. Okay. But if we reduce the smoke and make the landscape a little safer for firefighters, which then they can get out there and they're going to have like fire breaks, natural fire breaks, and places where they can strategically hold the line, so to speak. So you're looking at the wild horsing as far as the firefighting thing as in addition a part of the toolbox, not the answer, but another of the answer is to interact with the other solutions and fighters that we have, is what you're saying. Right. Well, absolutely, and it's not, and we also need to get back our servant population, which is collapsed.

Yeah. Now, do you think that's going to take just a moratorium on hunting? I know hunters wouldn't like to hear that, but I don't know how else you're going to deal with that. But you're right, but here's the thing. They don't want to hear it, but I got really bad news for them. If we keep doing what we're doing right now, there will be no honey in the future, zero, honey, zero. Because right now in California, I mean, it's deer season. then I've talked to all the hunters.

Nobody's been able to get hardly anything. They're all, like, complaining what happened, what happened? And I says, well, it's real simple. You know, the farmer doesn't go out in the yard and shoot the prize bowl when he needs a burger. He gets the steer. You guys have been up here killing the best genetic breeding material. When you kill the big buck on the mountain, the guy who's disease resistant and knows how to fight predators, that's the guy that needs to be breeding the dough, is not the forked horn that you leave left after you take all the big raft.

You know, and, like, you know, I was taught by my brother-in-law, I was a Klamath native. His father was very knowledgeable. He had a lot of indigenous wisdom. He said, you don't kill the old grandfather trees when you're logging because they provide the seeds for the next generation. And similarly, when you're looking at a big buck or, you know, whether it's an elk or a meal deer or a black tail, that guy is telling you with his racks, hey, I'm your guy to breed the doughs. You know, don't kill me. Yeah, I'm the genetically superior choice. I'm the one that has been able to survive all this time, smart enough.

So think about it, Bill. For the last centuries, we've been going backwards. We've been killing the champion. It's like every time you have the Olympics, whoever wins the 100 yards dash, you shoot them. You shoot them, yeah, yeah. That guy breed anymore. I got that. All right, that's an interesting conversation.

I'll probably talk with Greg more about that a little later in the week on the outdoor side of things. but hey, I'll tell you what. Well, you know, those, it doesn't make you a better man because you shot with a, you know, a sniper rifle, a deer at, you know, three, 400 yards. I mean, it doesn't make you a better man. It doesn't make you a better hunter. It doesn't do anything. In fact, the meat you get from that old guy isn't going to be nearly as good as from like

a fork or a four-point horse, you know, you're going to get better meat if you really need it. Okay. I think it's intriguing, though, when you talk about it, though, that if we were really wanting to rebuild the herds, we should stop going out. after the champions, like you mentioned. I know a lot of hunters might not like hearing that. And Greg, you know, with all due respect to Greg, he hasn't studied genetics the way I have. He wasn't pre-med science major.

So, you know, the genetics support what I just told you, the science supports it absolutely 101%. So do we change? Do we do a better job? You know, because if we don't do a better job of these natural resources, there won't be any left, and in the process we're going to kill ourselves off because this virus, smoke absolutely kills people prematurely and kids are growing up predisposed to all kinds of different diseases, autoimmune things are happening. The UCLA report is factual and it says

in California alone, 5,000 people, moms, dads, kids, grandfathers, parents are prematurely from the wildfire smoke. So I don't care what the firefighters are doing. They're not saving 5,000 people a year, I guarantee you that. And Wild Horse Fire Brigade can help impact that death rate in California. Now, if you look at the whole West Coast, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of, you know, 100,000 people. Well, I appreciate you are your fervent support of this, and I know that, you know, government has not been willing to look at this, but if you can show some more success with people on private land, I think that is probably the angle you're going to have to take baby steps. Well, you know, the problem with the problem with egos and people is that we saw success when the Germans were launching rockets

and jet airplanes, but we stubbornly kept trying to do what we did because our guys, you know, the egos were in the way. And finally, we brought a German von Braun over here and then we had a successful rocket program. You know, that's the problem we have. We have ego. We have stubborn people who don't want to learn. They don't want to listen to any new ideas because they don't want to have they're a little rice bowl affected or their validity in life impacted. But you know what? They need to think about, they need to be more selfless and actually walk that talk, a lot of these politicians that were for the people.

No, they're not. No, they're not. They're for their own political gain. You know, if they were for the people, things would be a lot different. All right. Cap Bill Simpson, William E. Simpson, ethologist, and it's wildhorsefirebigade.org. You can pick up that song that we played in the beginning of the segment and more. and Bill, I always appreciate that aspect of it, but I really do think that

continue to press the private landowners to do what you have done on your ranch, and, you know, it will develop more, you'll get a momentum, I think, building up over time if you're able to indicate success on private land if the government's not willing to do it at this point in time, okay? That's all I would say. Yep, I appreciate it, Bill. Thank you. Hey, thanks a bunch there. 20 before 9, KMED, KBXG,

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The Bill Myers Show is on. News Talk 1063 KMED. 770 KMED to join in for the rest of wheels up Wednesday. Something on your mind. Question I wanted to post to you this morning. On Saturday, there's going to be a No Kings 2. This is going to be a rally. He got the indivisible droids and all of their other fellow travelers,

all our favorite communists here in southern Oregon. They're going to be out there, gray ponytails, all the rest of it doing their thing. And in Medford, Grants Pass, Ashland, they're going to be doing it. I think it starts at 11 o'clock most of these places. Biddle and McAndrews is where the indivisible types will be. And there will also be Trump supporters that are pushing out there. Peace Through Strength Coalition was one. And there are some others that are mentioning there.

My question for you this morning is, do you believe that anyone's minds are changed by these kind of rallies? Yay, nay, somewhere in between. Do you think there's anybody that's ever really, you know, moved to one direction or another based on these kind of rallies? And I was kind of half joking a little bit earlier this morning, you know, rabbit season, duck season, kind of like from the old Looney Tunes in the morning. So I get it. You know, people want to, you know, rally for their team. But serious question, do you think it makes a difference? Really?

Now, the left must think it makes a difference because they do tend to do a lot of these kind of things. Maybe not. And the right, of course, is reacting to this too. What do you believe? Does anybody really get changed? 7705-633-770K-MED. Something else I want to talk about here over the coming days is that if you have a piece, I know I do I have several Windows 10 support is over now and of course you get those

those little warning things that are saying your computer is up is unsafe it will no longer get security updates you know you're getting all those things it's a big deal and the thing is is that gosh you have people that have you know computers that are just a few years old you know just a few years old they say oh it doesn't have the, you know, the TPM or what is it, you know, secure boot version 2.0 or something, oh, you can't do this and you can't do it. You can't, you can't go to Windows 11. You can't go to Windows 11 and hence, it's time to put your PC into the landfill or into E-cycle. You can't put it into the landfill because you are breaking Cape Brown's wall. But I just want to let you know.

I'm going to try to find out more about this because I've been watching some YouTube videos. and checking out some various tech blogs and there are people that are kind of breaking the hack and taking Windows 10 machines, machines that would not be updatable technically using the Microsoft software, and with a couple of hacks and a little bit of thing, change it so that it will run, that you can actually run the Microsoft upgrade on a Windows 10 machine that can't be upgraded normally to Windows 11, but it'll upgrade to Windows 11. Now, I have a couple of those machines at home, and I'm going to try one of their hacks, and I'll get back to you to see how that works, because I ended up right and all down,

and I'm kind of interested in this to see what'll happen, because I am just completely affronted and offended by this high-tech landfill economy that, oh, gosh, you know, you've had this machine for eight or nine or ten years. It's time to take it to e-waste, even though it works perfectly fine for you and fulfills your needs. That just, I mean, it offends me to the core of my being. So I'll take a look on that. I'm not Kim Commando, but I'll do a little work on your behalf and see how that ends up working, okay? Quarter to nine, I'm 846, actually.

Let me go to the phones here. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You're on the Bill-Moyer show. Holly Martin-Josefine County. How are you doing? I'm doing fine, Holly. What's on your mind today, huh?

Well, I'm just thinking about these. Oh, by the way, before. you move forward. I got a text message from you and I didn't answer because I had silenced all my texts yesterday. I guess I must have been getting too irritated for whatever reason. It's nothing personal. Okay. All right. No, not at all.

Yeah, I saw your text this morning. I just want to think, okay. All right. I apologize. No worries. I was actually calling about the rallies and so forth. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was wondering because everyone's going to be getting at this and it's rabbit season, duck season. You know, king, no king, you know, whatever.

And does anybody really change their mind, do you think? Well, in my personal view, probably not. The people that are out there that are, you know, on one of the other side, you know, saber-rattling, you know, they are energized by it. I believe that's true. The people are driving by, you know, where the traffic is slowed down. I'm not sure they're too excited about it. You know, they have their 15 seconds or so forth of thumbs up or thumbs down when they drive by. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah. My feeling is that it is we're being manipulated. into fighting in the streets. And that's my big worry about it. That's very interesting. That's very interesting. So, in other words, Indivisible hangs itself out there as the shiny object, and they're hoping, come on, right-wingers, come on.

I think so. I mean, what I'm recommending to everyone, I know we're going to have an event, kind of a counter event on Saturday, but I think what we need to do is show ourselves as being sensible, praying, maybe lighting candles, maybe singing some patriotic songs or whatever, but show ourselves maybe channel through the eyes of Charlie Kirk because what would he do in that situation? Because I don't want to be drawn into the morass. I don't want to be screaming and hollering. You know, I would agree, Holly, I completely agree with you. And you know what I would suggest is that if you're going to do a counter-protest, don't do it where No Kings is.

Okay. Oh, that's the question. Of course, our office, the Republican Party office, is right across the street. I'm not in a leadership role anymore there, and so I'm not running this thing, but that's just my thinking. You ask the question on the radio, and that's my answer. It's the most important thing is to remain sensible, you know, to be sensible and not be drawn into what I believe they're trying to draw us into, and that is to turn

Grants Pass into Portland by getting us to fight in the streets. Yeah, I think that's smart, that's smart thinking, Holly, I really do. And I would just be, I always caution question on this, because you know in the state of Oregon, an Oregon indivisible, an ORD-2 indivisible person, I think would be treated very differently in the court, if it ends up going into the state or federal system, as contrasted to a conservative getting into a fight or some violence involved in there. Because you just know that's the way Oregon works, unfortunately. I wish it weren't the case, but it is true, in my opinion.

Okay. Right. All right. Be smart about it. Thank you very much. Holly, great call. And if you're online, I will get right to your call in just a moment on the Bill Meyer show. Hi, this is Bill Meyer, and I'm with Cherise from No White.

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We have the No Kings and the anti-Nokings rally coming up Saturday one way or the other. And I think anybody will change their mind here. How do you think? Hello, Dave. Welcome. What's going on? I don't know if anybody will change their mind. Probably not.

But my thing is, how would Charlie Kirk answer this? He would say, bless you. say a prayer, and be non-violent. So play it cool, in other words, is what you would suggest. I would, you know, they're going to hate it. They're atheists. That's one way to look at it. Hey, Dave, I appreciate the call.

770-5633. Randy's in Ashland, Randy, you want to the bite on the Windows 10 support gone away. And I've been reading a bunch of stuff about ways to put Windows 10 unauthorized, you know, ways that Microsoft wouldn't like it because they'd really prefer that we put our computers in landfills and maybe buy new Microsoft surfaces, I guess. But how do you see it? Welcome. Well, I don't like laptops per se. I like desktops because I like the bigger screen and a clicky keyboard.

Sure. So I've been programming since I was in college in 1970. Anyway, so I had an ancient computer, and it was finally getting to the point where I couldn't buy peripherals because they were requiring Windows 10 or Windows 11. So I built a system last December, and the way that you do it without having to log on to your Windows account every time you turn your computer on is you get the licensed thumb drive. so you have the software for Microsoft that when you load it on you're not connected to the internet and there's a little

tiny phrase at the bottom of the screen when you're trying to load the systems that I don't have internet access and so that allows you to put Windows 11 on without logging into your account and the other

thing you never want to use Windows 365 because it's a key logger. Every keystroke is logged because you have to log on to your account to use Windows 365. Anyway, the other thing... Well, welcome to my Windows 365

or Microsoft 365 World. But as far as, you know, I've heard of other people that have older computers and they have created Linux computers. They'll load Linux in it instead. Have you ever done that? I have a friend who, steeped in Linux, you almost have to be a programmer. You can't really buy a Linux. You can't just

put a disk in or a thumb drive in and load Linux. It's in pieces and parts. I don't know how to assemble it. It's, I mean, it's a great system, and a lot of the people that are providers run Linux because it's because it's not Microsoft. I know. But are you as offended as I am, though, that they have all of this obsolescence in there, that all of a sudden you're perfectly fine computer is now because, oh, it's unsafe, it's horrible. You can't do this. Well, I could say my Windows 7 system, which I built, I think, in like 2004, I ran for years,

and it finally got, I wanted to get a new keyboard, and I couldn't find a compatible wireless keyboard with Windows 7. So, anyway, the other thing that I've done is I've disabled Microsoft updates in the registry, which is kind of tricky, but it's doable. And every time it would update, it would mess up my computer, and I have to go through and fix it. Oh, I know. I know about that. Hey, could you send me a couple of suggestions on that because I'm just out of time right now? But I love the fact that you give me a few ideas to look at there, okay?

I appreciate that there, Randy. Okay? Okay. Let me know. Okay, email bill at Billmyershow.com. We'll talk tomorrow Thursday. Medford, this is our moment. Vote yes on Measure 15-238.

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