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Episode Date: October 23, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. I want to make sure and get some time to Michelle Steve, who I'm a big fan of. She is a visiting fellow of the Fix Homelessness Initiative and probably no issue here in Southern Oregon. And, well, heck, the state of Oregon in general has had more impact than what's been going on with the homelessness industrial complex.

as she's the founder of the Free Up Foundation, author of Answers Behind the Red Door, battling the homeless epidemic. And this is based on her 13 years as CEO of Northern California's largest and most comprehensive program for homeless women and children. Michelle, welcome back to the show. Good morning. Thank you so much, Bill. Looking forward to discussing this new report that just came out. Yeah, this new report makes for really interesting reading.

And before me move forward here, what were you running or what have you been running as, you know, Northern California's largest and most comprehensive program for homelessness? And this is, you know, a big deal so you know of what you speak. Yeah, so I, in 2006, took over a very, a struggling homeless shelter for women and children. And within a couple days, I had a big revelation. A woman named Katie came in with her daughter, Tori. A couple days after that, a woman named Shelly came in with her two boys. And I was shocked to learn that Katie and Shelley were actually sisters, half-sisters. But the bigger shock was to learn that 18 years earlier, they had lived at our shelter with their mom.

And that really set me and our team on a journey to build what, again, is now North. So in California's largest program for homeless women and children, it is a program. It is no longer a shelter to help these women become primary providers for their families and break the generational cycle that often exists in homelessness. And in 2019, my husband took a job in Texas, so I left but then wrote the book and have been working on policy change ever since. since. All right, and you were a visiting fellow at Discovery Institutes. What is the homelessness policy? What is that called again? I'm sorry, this kind of fixed homelessness initiative. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Fix homelessness.org, by the way, is the website for that particular

initiative. And a new report out, which is, it makes for pretty astounding reading when it comes to the homelessness industrial complex. And I'm wondering if you can kind of break down where that is headed what that's all about. Sure, well, if I may just give a little bit of context. So as maybe many of your listeners know, our country right now is at the highest point ever recorded of homelessness in our nation's history. We're up almost 35% since 2013. And 2013 is an important year because that's the year that the United States, which is the largest funder of homelessness, That's the year that they instituted a seismic policy shift. They basically said, up until now, we've been funding mental health treatment,

different forms of housing, drug and alcohol treatment, employment training. And at HUD, the entity, the federal government entity that largely oversees homelessness, at HUD, they said, we're no longer going to do that. All we're going to fund is housing subsidies. We're going to give people who are struggling with homelessness east to a house, and we're not going to fund the addressing, nor are we going to require, the addressing of the issues that often accompany homelessness, about 80% of the homeless population, are struggling with mental illness and or addiction. And so giving them a house doesn't fix that, though, does it? No, it sure doesn't, but they're, you know, they're thinking, and I always put that in area. quotes, their thinking, was that once people got housed, they would, you know, their

lives would calm down and they would request services. And that hasn't happened. In fact, there's the only long-term study that's been done of the housing of homeless, of the homeless with these accompanying issues is out of Boston. And they followed these individuals who were house without any requirement to seek treatment, without any requirement to be sober, they followed them for a period of over 10 years. After year five, almost half of the cohort was dead, dead from these diseases, mental illness and addiction are diseases of the brain. And when diseases go and treated, they get worse. And in fact, we saw that in the Boston study. We're seeing that all across the country, the death rate is up 77%. So this has been a massive failure as a one-size-fits-all

approach. By the way, in 2013, when they rolled this out, President Obama promised it would end homelessness in a decade. And again, we're now at the highest point ever in our nation's history almost 35% increase despite a 300% increase in spending. Well, there has been a whole industrial I mean, we nickname it just like everything else. It's like the homelessness industrial complex seems to have grown up then to service everything that has, maybe all these pathologies that you've been talking about here, Michelle. And what has gone wrong in this? Because, you know, Oregon is all in on, you know, essentially paying tons of nonprofit NGOs to take care and ostensibly to help the homeless.

it doesn't appear to have been working. What's gone wrong? Well, I want to point out there, as this report infiltrated points out, there are some incredibly evil actors that will discuss here in a moment. But not all nonprofits have participated in the evil. There are a lot of nonprofits that are doing their best to do well. Okay, I would agree. I shouldn't tar everyone.

Just because, you know, you're involved in the homelessness issue doesn't make you evil. But there seems to be, there doesn't seem to be a real metric for gauging performance or success. And it just seems that it just looks there's a lot of ideological points of view in the homelessness issue here. Rather than trying to get people off the drugs, we try to enable them to take drugs safely, you know, supposedly. And then that doesn't seem to be much happening either. And this is another report that you're talking about, which I'm also going to post up today, about ideological capture of homeless organizations. Isn't that right? Absolutely. And you hit the nail on the head that the system is built, the system, the housing first system that was implemented in 2013

as a one-size-fits-all approach. It is built on zero accountability. There is There is no accountability at the individual level. They never have to be sober. They never have to work. They will be subsidized for life. There's no accountability at the nonprofit level. HUD has not been holding nonprofits accountable to performance. And there's no accountability at the government level.

I mean, is President Obama taking responsibility for claiming this was going to end homelessness in 10 years? And being up 35 percent? No. is Gavin Newsom taking responsibility? No. Is Tina Kotech? Taking responsibility, Governor Kotech? No. No one is being held accountable at the government level. And then as infiltrated, this report traced, these advocacy organizations have been co-opted by radical left organizations. They share ideology. They share tactics. They share donors. And in fact, what we're seeing is that over this past decade, they have infiltrated for majority of homeless advocacy organizations. So donors are giving to these agencies and thinking that they're helping the homeless when, in fact, they're fueling, you know, radical left agendas such as reparations, such as, you know, eviction moratoriums.

It's just been, this report has 54. or pages of documentation of how this has happened, how it evolved over the last decade. And by the way, I wanted to say that Michelle, Steve, of course, visiting fellow with a Discovery Institute here, and a Discovery Institute got together and cooperated with Capital Research Center, which is that research-oriented think tank over, you know, in the East Coast, too, to come out with this report. And it is amazing reading, infiltrated, the ideological capture of homelessness. advocacy. Now, I've always suspected this just because, well, I mean, I'll just give you an example

of what we've been dealing with down here in Southern Oregon is that there are some of these homeless advocacy groups in which their main job is to go out and just deliver drug paraphernalia everywhere they go, everywhere. And this is supposedly helping the homelessness situation, but what it's really done is filled our parks and we're homeless, we're living with with needles and foil and and various problems and then but then to question this was to question well you know you're you're you're being mean to the homelessness and then people then file lawsuits and then city of grants pass gets screwed over and he dragged into these into these legal battles but who are the who are people trying to push the evil I guess is what I'm asking

yeah so that I'm so glad you brought up the grants pass decision and as we probably all of your listeners are aware, that was a decision, that was a hearing that's an issue. The Supreme Court decided to hear. They ended up hearing in favor of Grant's Pass, who was saying, we need to clear these encampments. We can't function, you know, they're unhealthy for the individuals living in them. They're unhealthy for the general public. 700 nonprofits signed on to amicus brief denying grants past had an ability to clear encampments, even though they were demonstrably hurting the individuals living in them and hurting the community. Those 700 nonprofits who signed on to amicus briefs in opposition to grants past having the

ability to clear encampments, they took in $2.9 billion in government grants. Wow. And yes. That's an incredible amount of cash. Yeah. Yeah. They were arguing against, you know, the opportunity for people to get on a path of healing and restoration. And the state of Oregon seems to be continuing that path because state legislature into the passing laws essentially tying city's hands to do what the Supreme Court said we were allowed to do in that grant's past decision.

You were aware of that? Yes. Things haven't really changed all that much. No. But I will tell you, the president and his administration issued an executive order about six weeks ago saying that in order for communities to continue to receive homelessness funding, I mentioned that the federal government is the largest vendor of homelessness. They distribute most of that money through local governments and states.

in an order, this executive order, which we'll see play out here very quickly when the federal government reopens, this executive order says, if you do not clear encampments and move these people into treatment programs, you are going to be ineligible for continued funding. And if Oregon chooses to go that route, you guys are in for quite a hit, given the whole population, the numbers of people you have struggling with homelessness. And that's going to be up to, you know, the elected officials and the people who are voting them in to say, no, we're going to follow what this administration is requiring of us. We're going to clear these encampments, move these people.

Yeah, otherwise, no grant stream funding from feds. And the Fed is really paying most of the cost of the homeless industrial complex right now, Yeah, depending where you are in the country, it's, you know, in New York, for instance, New York City, San Francisco, there's a lot of local and some state money that go into the system as well. But the feds are pretty much the predominant source of funding throughout the country. Do you believe the Trump administration will be able to break the back of the ideological capture of more than 500 nonprofit homeless industrial complex? obviously ideologically pushing chaos rather than really getting homeless people off the streets? I know they're trying, and I think they're slowly but surely succeeding. But it is a big – you know, this did not happen overnight as we discussed.

It happened over 12 years, and it's going to take a lot of effort to unravel it. But we have to. We have to do it because people who are struggling with homelessness – are largely struggling with these diseases and diseases need to be treated and we need to start treating these human beings like human beings and not as people who can't, you know, participate in life and who aren't worth anything. That's ridiculous. I've watched it happen with thousands of people and we can do this and we need to do it. You have an op-ed piece that's over on Fix Homelessness.org and originally it was

was printed over at Orange County Register, great paper, and it said that housing without healing won't cure homelessness. And that's kind of been a big part of your experience. You've run the shelters, so just having, just having the space to live in is not enough, right? No, it's not enough. And again, the Boston study we talked about earlier proves that. I mean, these people were housed, but they were very sick. And, you know, to varying degrees, different people have different degrees of illness that they're dealing with, but we need to help them heal. They're so sick. They don't even, they have another disease often layered on top of that called anisignosia, which is a deficit of self-awareness. It's another disease of the brain. And just assuming that

they know how sick they are and that they're going to request help when they get. into housing is, it's ridiculous. And the Boston study is just one of many that prove that. Well, I'm going to get to this. I'm going to let people see this big study, the ideological capture of the homelessness industrial complex. It makes for interesting reading. And I'll be curious to see how much of the Oregon crowd is kind of, you know, part of this. And because the report names names, doesn't it? Oh, it does. It names organizations. Again, there's 54 pages of citation, so I highly, I know it's a lot of reading, but I highly encourage your readers, your listeners, rather, to read it, but also to make sure that it gets in the hands of local

elected officials, state elected officials. We need to make sure all of them see this and are held accountable to not giving funding to, you know, radical left agendas, but to giving funding to the people who need it, which are those struggling with homelessness. Michelle, Steve, with me once again. Michelle, is that available on homelessness? Or I just want to make sure and get the website right. Where's the best place to go to get infiltrated? A copy of that.

Yeah, the Fix Homelessness Initiative website, absolutely. Fix homelessness.com. Fix homelessness. Fixhomelessness.org. Or is it.com? I see both. It's, uh, I think we have both actually. Oh, okay. Yes. Yeah. And also I'll link to your op-ed there too. And how long do you think we can really get on the path to recovery when it comes to the, you know, this domination by ideologically driven homelessness, industrial complex NGOs, and then get back to actually getting people human again, you know, and getting them

going. I mean, it took a while to get here. Yes, it's a really good question. And I think, again, the, you know, the people who have been stewing in this disease, these diseases for longer, it's going to take longer to help them heal. But I have watched people in, you know, eight to ten months go from the bottom of the barrel. I mean, the depths of this bear to, you know, being able to hold down a job, maintain their sobriety, become, you know, mothers again to their children and responsible for their children. It really, it can happen, and that's why I wrote the book, and that's why I do what I do, because I want to see everyone who enters homelessness have this opportunity to realize

their full potential, but it does not happen with keys. That's it. And once again, Michelle Steve, author and visiting fellow Discovery Institutes Fix Homelessness Initiative and author of Answers Behind the Red Door, Battling the Homeless Epidemic, and also, of course, part of this amazing report about the ideological capture. Thanks so much. We'll have you back on, and let's hope you win over time, all right? We all win. Yeah, exactly. Because if people like you end up winning the argument, and I know I dare say we have some great organizations,

here in southern Oregon like gospel rescue mission that have rules and you need rules to really reenter society don't you know if you're battling the homelessness world women all the time i used to say you are here so that you can you know you're all we do here at the program i ran is so you can succeed outside of uh these four walls right and and rules and accountability and structure are are all necessary parts of, you know, success in life. And so we had all of those at our program. And, and again, people don't know what they don't know, but we need to teach them. We need to give them that structure, those rules, the accountability so they can succeed outside of the system. Indeed. Michelle, I appreciate your call this morning. Michelle, Steve, great having on the show.

Be well. Thank you. For over 100 years, greatly has built mowers that stand the test of time, rugged, dependable, always. Association of Broadcasters and this station. Hi, I'm Matt Stone, with Stone heating and air, and I'm on KMED. 739, open phones on conspiracy theory Thursday. I always find that a dangerous time, but I'm happy to talk with you. 7705-633-770 KMED. You go back and talk about Oregon Trail Cards will be shutting down the 1st of November.

Could you see armed guards at the local grocery stores over time if this continues? Yeah, I don't know. It could be sporty times. You think the Democrats are doing this intentionally? I believe so, but I'd like to get your opinion one way or the other. You've had a lot of serious conversation before we move forward, though. How about a dad joke? Dad joke, and then we'll get back to the seriousness, though.

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He says, Bill, cow went to buy an outfit. A cow went to buy an outfit to wear. What did she buy? Like a moo-moo, of course. I smiled on that one, Patrick. I really, of course, it's typical. I love that. Humor, we can always use a little bit more on that.

Okay, 7705-633. What are some of the other headlines that have been lost in the shuffle here this morning? Hmm. Reason Magazine, the Libertarian Magazine. I used to subscribe to them, but I found them so crazy that I ended up canceling my subscription to them. But I'll still read the site from time to time. Singapore keeps hanging low-level drug couriers Yeah, Singapore keeps hanging low-level drug couriers

But it can't execute its way to a drug-free society Wow They're complaining then that over in Singapore They, you know, you end up getting caught as a drug courier They execute you kind of like what President Trump has been doing Blowing up the boats out in the ocean and such I suppose not, but it can't execute its way to a drug. No, do you think you could execute it to a drug, a free society?

All of a sudden, not that I'm advocating necessarily taking every drug addicted person and, oh, you're telling me they were really addicted to our pharmaceuticals. You could be right about that, whoever that person was out there talking about it. What's going on with Americans in general, too? I'm surprised at how many people I'm just witnessing, you know, in the news cycle, whose brains are just broken. And we're talking about people who are professionals, professional people, good jobs. You normally think about these people with good family. That story that Fox News was reporting the other day, 38-year-old North Carolina man, an accountant.

You know, we're talking about an accountant, left-brain people. Now, when you're left-brain people that supposedly you're right, you know, you're, using the, you know, numbers and reasoning and all of that kind of stuff. You know, that's the side of your brain if you're an accountant that you're using, had to be really good using the left side of your brain. And so this guy gets arrested because he shoots his gun on a MAGA supporter after tearing down a Trump banner at the guy's house. North Carolina man says he's shot by this guy who tore down a Trump banner in his mother's front yard.

and he believes it reflects the nation's growing political hostility. And so he's over at his mother's home and security camera. They see the guy wearing an Antifa-style mask stepping out of a Jeep Cherokee to look at a Trump banner attached to a bus parked near his mother's home, tears it down. And by the way, the guy they got was Benjamin Campbell. He was speeding before stopping. He tore the banner down. and so Thomas then goes out and fires a couple of warning shots in the air. I think that's kind of stupid.

Warning shots are not a good thing. You never know where those are coming down. But be that as it may, Campbell then got back into his car and then shoots at the house through the sunroof. And by the way, he hit a refrigerator inside the home. So it could have gone bad for the 87-year-old mom if the fella had been a better shot. But, I mean, that's a broken brain. This is a 38-year-old. not talking about like a 20-year-old Antifa kid, we think about, you know, normally

of that, but a lot of broken brains there. So that's one weird story. This is a great story, though, this one. Health Secretary, Robert Kennedy Jr., RFK Jr., says we need to be eating more saturated fats. Wow. So our food pyramid could soon be undergoing another overhaul under the Trump administration's make America healthy again, and it's drawing criticism. It's new guidance encouraging the consumption of more foods previously considered unhealthy, including those high-and-saturated fats. Kennedy arguing that Americans need more trans-insaturated fats, not less,

saying that foods like butter, cheese, milk, red meat have been unfairly demonized for decades. The updated guidance could be released as soon as this month. these new dietary guidelines are common sense you need to eat saturated fats of dairy of good meat of fresh vegetables and when we release those it will get everybody the rationale for driving it into the schools imagine that that's really going back to the way it once was and you know the processed food craziness of the last 60 70 80 years how many people remember maybe you remember that? Remember the promise margarine ads of the 1970s

and 80s? Promise. Oh, so much better for you. It's corn oil, right? All that kind of stuff. All of those amazingly inflammatory oils that they ended up taking and pressing and then heating to 4,000 degrees or whatever was and then

turning it into a nasty gelatinous substance and then they would put yellow dye undo it to make it look like butter. And we bought it. We actually bought that crap and clogged up our uh our arteries are we finally going to make america healthy again i hope so break out the bacon i guess well he probably doesn't like bacon i don't know anyway hi it's conspiracy theory thursday good morning who's this welcome this is minor dave hey dave what's

going on with you today on ctt i have my hypothesis since they've taken over you know you've merged with the channel 26. My hypothesis is when they get moved into where you are, your radio show will be simulcast over Channel 26, and it may even end up simoclasts and over YouTube.

Just a thought. I think it would make you a TV star and hopefully you don't have to join the Queen Actors Guild. Sagg, I don't know if we do. Well, there has been some talk about bringing the show to Fox 26. And there in the process, the engineer, the TV engineer, is working his tail off and get one of our old radio studios remodeled into being master control.

Maybe that'll happen. Well, wouldn't that be interesting because, gosh, you'd be able to watch the show all over because Fox 26 has translators and is on cable systems and translators and satellite systems. systems all over Southern Oregon and Northern California, from, gosh, out on the coast, to, you know, Roseburg and Wierka and, you know, all those kind of things. So it's a possibility. Could be. Yeah.

Well, then your market will grow and see, they can, for advertising, like if you're on YouTube, they can do location advertising, like on YouTube that wouldn't be like your local. ones, there'd be local ones around the area the person is listening from. Yeah, I don't know much about that, I suppose. We'll leave that to the higher-up bosses to figure it up. Chances are we probably wouldn't want to get involved in a platform that we have to share the advertising with him. I don't like the idea of paying Google for much of anything, you know? I can understand that.

Yeah. But it's going to be really good because I think your show will be simulcast. Well, just think when you call, if that ends up happening and we end up being simulcast someday on Fox 26 in the morning. morning, then that means that Minor Dave, and that also means Lucretia will be spread out there the time she calls in, everybody. And then maybe we'll have an even larger group of crazies that will check in. What do you think about that? Yeah, I think that's possible.

And secondly, on SNAP benefits, my neighbor was all blaming Trump for he might not get his food stamps next month. and I showed him that Trump can't send money out that they haven't passed the budget. So he finally figured that out. And then I said, the only thing they're doing is they're going back to the way it was before COVID is that if you want your health insurance and you want your food stamps, you've got to work 20 hours a month. Yeah, you're going to have to do some kind of work. Unless you're disabled, unless you're disabled, if you're disabled, things are still the same for you, okay? Right. They're still the same for me because I'm 65 and I'm disabled, but, you know, I only get 40 bucks a month, too. It's not really a big deal to me.

Okay, well, if you need the 40 bucks, I'll give you 40 bucks out of my own pocket, Dave. And by the way, I'm also going to send you one of those. How do you want to pick up that CB radio? Because you are one of the winners of the CB radios. You were one of the first people to write me about that. Yeah, well, I really could use it out here. so uh well uh i can have it shipped to my uh p o box out here okay well send me an email we'll get that figured out okay thanks for the call of minder dave by the way when i made that offer uh because remember we had a ham radio guy who came at me the other day boy we got all this stuff all this stuff i'm not going to use it there was tubes and all these other sort of things there was an old shortwave receiver i got it fixed and working i'll probably give that away to someone too but um there were a number of CB, CB radios, and I had three of them, three CB radios, three antennas,

and boy, they got snapped up, you know, just like that. And I was telling everybody else that, gosh, you know, I'll try to do this again, but just amazing what I thought we were only going to get a call or two on that one, and then I had like 15 inquiries, but I only had three radios. So we'll do some more. I'll try to ask around if people have some inexpensive C.E. B's and antennas they're willing to give up and will help people who need emergency communications this winter. Okay.

770 KMED. I'll be getting your call here in just a minute. Something else that, you know, Lars Larson and I don't disagree about much, but I disagree with him about the Argentine beef thing. Now, the report came out there. Ranchers, U.S. ranchers are not really happy about this because President Trump is looking at the high cost of beef and saying, All right, well, maybe we cut a deal and we import more Argentine beef. And I agree with Lars what he was talking about, well, hey, you know, we need to make sure that our own beef producers are able to be healthy and financially healthy and have a market. I agree with that.

However, our herds are at like World War II level, and there's all sorts of reasons for this. and at this point people need beef we're not making enough of it it's really expensive here now some will say well hey this is great because our local producers that are getting more money and i agree i i get that side of it but there is still not enough of it there is still not enough of it you know even as uh maha is now saying hey red meat's actually good for you thank you r fk junior for being sensible you know about this bringing some sense to the nonsense which is passed as the uh... nationwide food pyramid that we've been enduring for a long, long time. But I think President Trump is actually wise to bring in some Argentine beef in here right now. You need to keep people fed. The problem is that just allowing beef prices to soar is not going to make the beef industry sane.

The beef industry right now here has some, we have a lot of headwinds here. We have a regulatory industry that it's just, our regulatory apparatchiks here, the no-moo, everybody wants the cows off of public land, all of this, high cost of inputs, high cost of labor. Keeping Argentine beef out is not going to fix that. The systemic problems with depending only on U.S. beef is just not going to cut it, in my view. Now, if you're going to start working it really hard to get labor costs down and get land costs down and get feed costs down, okay, maybe we can talk about it, but people got to eat. That's the way I'm looking at it. So Lars and I will cheerfully disagree on this particular plan. The U.S. ranchers oppose it.

I get that. I know that maybe you're only profitable for the first time, but if there's less expensive healthy beef available, you know, and they don't have to, they don't have their. regulatory problems. Okay, well, great. Why don't we get rid of our regulatory problems? Oh, we can't do that. We have to have regulatory problems because that makes us American. Yikes. I'm being sarcastic. So I actually agree with President Trump on this case. 770K.M.D. Let me go back to the phones here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hey, Matt. Hey, Matt. What's up, buddy?

Hey, I just emailed you a chart. It's not at health. You know, the health insurance company, I'd like you to post that on social media. This, you know, this whole debate about, you know, whether illegals are getting health insurance and all this. You and I've talked about this before. People, everybody who can hear you and hear me needs to go to your social media. If you'll post it, they need to look at this chart. And you need to see the United Health is trading around 35 when the Affordable Care Act

is being negotiated and when it passed. And then it got up above $600 for like $630. Now, I pulled back recently to $250. There were some issues. I think there were some fraud, stuff involved. But I'm looking at a news story here from CNBC. And this story is from August 14. Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway reveals Newstake in United Health.

So while United Health was getting slammed, Birchher Hathaway steps in and buys some. And I want to point out, I'm looking at another story here. By the way, I'm posting this right now. What would you like me to say about this chart? I'm saying Matt's chart, we were talking about this on the show. When anybody talks about health insurance premiums, look at this chart. You know what happens?

I don't remember if any Republicans voted for Obamacare or not. I don't remember. I don't think none of them did. or any of them, excuse me. So this is 100% Democrats voted for this. How many billions of dollars do you think shareholders and health insurers made during that period in 2010 to 2024? They made bank again and again and again and again at our expense. I don't know.

You know, and I mentioned this, I think we talked up on the radio. I said this to DeFazio when he was our congressman. I said, and at the time, that's when they were already up. I think the lows, it's hard to tell from the chart because I don't have, like, specific price. Yeah, but the thing you need to remember, though, is that United Health Care and the big insurance companies, they helped write the bill. This was such a scam from the beginning. This was never going to make insurance affordable. All it did was make health insurers rich.

And now we have Democrats that are saying we have to keep the Obam subsidies going in there to keep the scam going. Isn't that, in essence, what they're saying? Well, politically, right? Politically, they're saying we have to do this. Are people going to lose insurance? I'm looking at this, and I'm saying to myself, why don't you ask the insurance company to take a giant hit? Why are you coming to us again and asking us to take the hit? Ask the insurance company to take the hit.

Someone should go to United Health, Sigmund, Humana, and say, you know what? It's time for you to be American. You need to take this hit square on the chin. We don't care what happens to the shareholders. We want you to take the hit. You guys cover this increase for these subsidies. You cover it. You've all made billions, maybe trillions in mass, of money on the backs of Obamacare and taxpayers.

I mean, this is taxpayer money subsidies. going directly to insurance company. I'm so sick of Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer and all these other knuckleheads telling us that, oh, we've got this increase. People are going to lose their health insurance. Well, they're also decrying the billionaires, the billionaires, as we've been making billionaires

out of mandating insurance coverage through these people, through these places. That's right. Everybody who can hear you when I'm talking need to go to your social media and look at this chart and ask yourself honestly, where are the increased subsidies going? Where are they going? They're not going to the hospital directly to cover people who are uninsured. They go through the insurance company. And Warren Buffett believes so much in him.

When it pulled back here, he stepped in with his Berkshire Hathaway Fund and bought, it's probably a 10%. Six percent steak, oh, no, that was in Chubb. I'm sorry, he bought Chubb. Yeah, I remember that, yeah. Yeah, United Health, he bought, about five million, first or halfway, about five million shares. Mm-hmm. Well, they're not buying shares because they think that it's going down because of Obamacare subsidies, right?

Yeah. That's, yeah. One point. I mean, it is just a huge massive grift right from the beginning. I posted it on the Facebook page. It's right up there right now on the Bill Meyer's show Facebook page. Okay?

Any questions you want to know about why these increases? Who's getting all the money? Look at that chart and you tell me you don't see where the money's going. All right. Matt, great call

on Conspiracy Theory Thursday, the conspiracy hiding out in plain sight. One more before news. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Hello? Hi, you're on.

Who's this? Yeah, this is John. Hey, John. I said a comment. And I think it's all in the plan. It's the last-ditch effort to work this country. If they pull the food stamps down, remember, the Tsar lost his ass because of food riots. That was the beginning of it in Russia.

You are right about that. Your history, yeah. It started that way. And it only takes a small percentage of the population to bring something about. So are you thinking that the Democrats are actually using that as strategy right now? Either way they think they win? The whole total thing. A combination, this is the last part of it.

Either way they win. We'll see about that. I appreciate the call, John. Thanks for making it. KMED, KMED, H.D. Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. Got catch up on Fox News. More great talk coming up on the Bill Myers show.

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