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It is a big property rights deal. And I wanted to talk with Chris Kaiser about that. is a property rights attorney with the Pacific Legal Foundation, great group. And if you're ever looking for a place to cut a check to help fight for property rights in an arguably property rights unfriendly state of Oregon, these are the people you want to talk to, PacificLegal.org. Chris, welcome to the show. Good morning, sir.

Thanks for having me. This is a story that has kind of flown under the legal radar here, and it has to do essentially with developers being strong-armed by cities that are saying, hey, if you want your shiny object or be able to do anything with your property, you're going to have to build a bridge or you're going to have to build, you're going to have to give something to the public, the little people, in order to do something with your land. Is that in essence what we're talking about here with COGAP v. City of Medford? Yeah, this is a story that repeats itself nationwide. In fact, the first case that we won as an organization in the Supreme

court that really registered nationally was Nolan versus California Coastal Commission, which was a case where the Coastal Commission conditioned approval of a development permit on granting a public access easement across the beach. And the court put place limits on the commission's power to do that. And that's why we're able to challenge something like this here in the Ninth Circuit. So tell us what happened then with Kogak, a Kogap, rather. to be a timber, timber business, right? You have a sawmill here in southern Oregon. So, COGAP's a family-owned company that used to operate a sawmill. When the sawmill closed,

they went for approval of a mixed-use development on their 100-plus acre property in Medford. They got approval for a plan unit development, which is sort of like a flexible zoning device. And over the years, there's been a lot of revisions between COGAP and the city of Medford. But this time, in conditioning the revision, the city of Medford wants Kogap to dedicate a right-of-way, construct an extension of a rural dead-end road, and pay for half the cost of a bridge across the creek to connect that road to an existing road. Yeah, and this is the Stewart's Meadows. We know it as the Stewart's Meadows development in South Medford.

So they had to build out a dead-end road, that's Myers Lane, I believe, is. is what we were talking about. In other words, if you want to do something, you're going to have to give us free work or give the city of Medford free work. That's in essence what's going on here, right? So this is essentially an attempt to shift the cost of public infrastructure from the city and the public onto COGAP, simply because COGAP is asking for approval from something from the city.

Now, I have to ask you, though, to be fair about this, is there any evidence that the Myers-Lane what the city wanted to expand and this bridge and constructing this bridge was the development that CoGAP was trying to do here at Stewart Meadows. Is it going to put a whole lot more traffic onto the public streets? And so you want to do this, you have to expand it, I guess.

Maybe there was something like that. I just want to try to be fair about this here, Chris. And that's certainly an argument that gets made in these cases, but in this case, the city of Medford, actually, their traffic, They never really submitted a legitimate traffic study, and ultimately their traffic expert agreed with COGAP's traffic engineer that the modification of the PUD was not going to create any additional trip. And what really they were trying to do was to address the needs of future development, which really shows that Medford is using the permitting process to get COGAP to do something that the public as a whole should be.

paying for. What is at stake in a story like this? I want to get your take, and then I have a question, you know, about where this could be heading if COGAP ends up winning. Now, is this something which is on appeal right now? I think it's being argued before the Ninth Circuit. Is that the deal? Yes. Yes. So COGAP challenged this and actually in the state court, but it got removed to federal court, and then the federal district court granted the city's motion for summary judgment. So now it's up on appeal in the Ninth Circuit. And so I think it's being argued today in the Ninth Circuit. Yeah.

What happens if COGAP wins or what happens if the city of Medford wins? And I'm just looking at on the face of it, in a sane world, co-gap wins. But this is the state of Oregon, and we are far from a sane state. And I'd be curious, you know, what you're thinking about this all. Well, I certainly, I don't want to predict what's going to happen, but we think we have a strong case because, like I just pointed out, the city doesn't really have any evidence that there's that any impact of COGAPs, the revision of the PUD is actually causing the need for this. And it's clear under the doctrine, unconstitutional conditions doctrine, that cities cannot force private owners to pay for, for, impacts that they did not cause. And that's the problem here. And this is happening over and over nationally. And the reason for it is because when a property owner wants something

that's very valuable from the government, like a permit, the government really has them over the barrel. And they can ask for, you know, as much as they can possibly get out of them. And when you get to the point where you're doing something like this, it starts to look a little bit like extortion. Well, it's not looking a little bit like. extortion. It is extortion. In essence, you know, cities, counties, whatever it might be, hey, you know, that's a really nice development or a house or a restaurant or whatever it is that you're putting up there. You know, we're just looking for a bridge, you're a little road. You know, it'd be ashamed to see something happen with the permit, you know, might get lost

somewhere. Being a little sarcastic, but you kind of get my drift here, Chris, huh? Yeah, that's exactly what happens in a lot of these cases. And sometimes the demands are for something that's entirely unrelated. I've got a case in New York right now where New York City is trying to force these residents to pay $250,000 or more for public art just to get a zoning change. Yeah, we have that irritating kind of law here too,

but every public project, a certain percentage of it has to go out and buy ugly public art, but that's another conversation for another time. So I'm glad that Pacific Legal is all over this. and have you been involved right from the beginning with the COGAP folks, or did you end up joining this later on? Actually, I think they, I think we might have taken this one over.

Actually, I'm not even sure when we started this one, because I'm actually, yeah, I'm not on the case. I'm just very familiar with it at this point. Yeah, I know the attorneys that are arguing the case today, and hey, they have to be in court, and I get that, and I appreciate you coming on and kicking this around. But there's a real constitutional issue involved, with this situation between co-gap and city of Medford, isn't there?

Yeah, I mean, the reason that this so-called unconstitutional conditions doctrine exists is because it's to enforce the prohibition on taking property without just compensation. And so because the city of Medford can't just come up to co-gap and demand that they dedicate a right-of-way or, you know, pay to construct a bridge, you know, without having this permitting process going on, they're using the permitting process to try to get COGAP to give up their rights to their property rights that the city would normally have, that the city would normally have to pay compensation to get those, like a thing like a right-of-way. But in the permitting process, they see a loophole and they try to get around that.

And that's why this doctrine is such an important thing to enforce constitutional property rights. Sure. if let's hope that if co-gap wins this one now i'm going to i'm going to play a little bit of what aboutism with you okay chris i am familiar i'm friends with an area developer who a number of years ago the way it was explained to me in order to put in a development in there in a particular plot of land that he and other people were invested in they essentially had to build at their own cost. A huge extension of a major thoroughfare.

They built it up into the hills of East Medford. They had to build McAndrews the way it was described to me. I'm just spitballing on how it was described to me. And in essence, they had to build the city's roads in order to be able to make their development happen. And this was many, many years ago. And I'm kind of curious that if COGAP wins this one, is there a precedent or does it set a precedent so that other deals from the past and the strong arming from the past

could be revisited or reopened, dare I say? Is there a possibility? That seems unlikely because once, you know, the general rule is once you agree to a permit with conditions that it can't be, you know, revisited. Oh. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of cases, you know, in California from before we won the Nolan case. where you can find, you know, beach-access easements that are, that were given that are clearly not constitutional under Nolan.

All right. So the old screwing with people and chiseling with people that local government has done, the old screwing around, this won't touch that. This would be touching it for the future is what it would do, right? Yeah, unless the permitting process is ongoing. It's not going to change the press or change what happens in the past. I mean, it sounds like in that situation that the city might even have a better argument because at least there's, you know, impact on the traffic situation going out there with the new development, whereas the situation, they didn't even have, they didn't even show that. Yeah, but when you have to build, you know, essentially a four lane mini freeway going up into the mountains to take care of everybody else who eventually wants to build, that's kind of where I would have taken issue with.

that it wasn't just... That's exactly why the court has the rule that the exaction has to be roughly proportional to the impact, because if it's just, even if it's related to an impact, it can't be so overbroad that you're forcing the developer to pay for basically public infrastructure that is well beyond the impacts of the developer's project. All right. Well, Chris, I appreciate that Pacific Legal Foundation is working hard on this one. and I'm just so glad that you're available. And I was on your website again looking at it last night just to, you know, kind of see, you know, who you were. I'm amazed how many attorneys you folks have.

I mean, it's, I would have expected a handful. I want to say what, it looks like you have a hundred or more. I mean, how many people are actually working these property rights issues over at Pacific Legal? I think in property rights, we've got close to 30 attorneys now. Yeah. But we have also an equality and opportunity group, a separation of powers group, and an environmental and natural resources group. So I think it's about 100 attorneys. I mean, when I started back in 2014, it was only about 20.

Yeah. Well, this also shows the need for it that the only way you're going to be able to defend these rights is that you've got ahead in the court, don't you? There's no way of avoiding this a lot of times. Yeah, the government is always looking for a way to get property without paying for it. Yeah, and getting money out of you, and getting some kind of service out of you, too, for that matter. Chris, I appreciate you coming on, and we'll, whatever, anything for it? Thanks for keeping us in the courtroom on this particular deal, okay? Thanks so much.

Thanks for having me on. Chris Kaiser is a property rights attorney at Pacific Legal Foundation. Find out more, Pacificlegal.com. And by the way, the name of the case, which is being argued today, we believe, is CoGAP Enterprises, Incorporating, taking on the City of Medford, 825. Bill Meyer, and I'm not the only one saving money with Sky Park insurance. That's 770 KMED. Happy to get your calls on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

This is the final half hour of conspiracy theory Thursday, and whatever happens to be on your mind is absolutely fine. Elaine wrote me yesterday because I was talking about the situation with Trump demolishing part of east of the east wing of the White House and putting up this this ballroom. And by the way, nothing wrong with the ballroom. I made this very clear. And everybody else is saying, well, other presidents have done this too. And that's true.

They have put their mark on the air on the White House. It's perfectly okay. I am not criticizing that. Yeah, there may have been a bowling alley. And then that went away and maybe a pool. And then Obama turns it into a basketball court. But this is the first time there's something being done to the exterior, really. And what has bothered me is that some of the biggest contractors and biggest corporate America goons, the ones that cause us all sorts of issues, the apples and the metas and everything else, they're the ones that are kicking in money to this.

Don't tell me that they're not expecting something in return, folks. That's the issue that I've had with this. That's the issue. It's about the undue influence. Everybody says, well, there's no taxpayer money being. spent on this yeah but they're just favors being exchanged I like things being above board and I don't think that this kind of stuff when you have the you know the same people that are wanting to make sure that everything is

surveilled and you have the Palantir surveillance company there they're kicking in money to it and and the AI people are kicking money into it and we're just supposed to say all they're just doing it out of the goodness of their heart because we need a ballroom no I prefer it if you know you come up up with a non-profit foundation or whatever it is. It needs to be an arm-lengths kind of deal. That was my main issue with President Trump. And I know he is a man of action, and so he's just looking at this.

Well, I want to get this done. Great. Hey, you'll pay for it. Wonderful. Eh. I don't like that part of it. Okay? That's my issue.

It's not about taking on the historic building. Because let me put it this way. If Joe Biden, I'm not saying this is the moral equivalent, okay? Just giving an example. If Joe Biden back in the day and said, you know, I'd like to get a, I'd like to have a ballroom. We're going to take out the east wing here. We're going to grind it up.

We're going to start building something here. And we're going to have Volitimer Zelensky, Ukraine. And let's say it's like Ukraine and B.B. Netanyahu, and they're all contributing hundreds of millions of dollars to it. What would he have been saying at that time? What would we have been saying? We would have been going nuts. The fact that it's corporate America's goons, it's okay.

But anyway, Elaine writes me, says, Bill, I can't talk you off your ledge because you're right. Go ahead and jump. That's all right. Elaine, if I jump, I'll have a parachute, okay? Appreciate that. Neil also writes me, to answer your hypothetical question, if President Harris did to the White House what Trump is doing, I'd call her a hypocrite. her party is the party of regulation and environmental impact studies. If President Harris touched any square inch of the White House, there'd be four years of red tape.

Oh, Neil, that's great. That's a great take on this. President Trump has consistently opposed deep state red tape. What he's doing with the ballroom is completely consistent with his warp speed approach to getting things done. Bravo to him. My problem with it, Neil, is that A, it's not his house. B, the money is coming from people who have big contracts with the United States. don't tell me that favors are, yeah, you would like to contribute to the ballroom, wouldn't you?

Yeah, it's a nice contract you have over there at Meta or Amazon Web Services or something. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. I don't like it when our people do things that are a little spicy either, okay? I'm just being intellectually honest with you. I know Maga hates me now, at least for today. Now, let me go to Brad. Hello, Brad, what's on your mind, huh? Take it away, huh?

Let's hear it. Bill, your friendly neighborhood, man about town, Brad Bennington calling in this morning. Good for you. Can we spend about 30 seconds talking about COGAP real quick? Sure. That COGAP case with the city of Medford. I hope COGAP cleans the city of Medford's clock on this one. Well, there's a little bit of an irony here because of the Lousman family, they go way back,

and COGAP as an acronym. It stands for Keep Oregon Green and Productive. And, of course, that goes way back to when they were a timber resource company. But the big dog in the COGAT family was Jerry Lousman, who not only was, you know, in the timber industry, but he was the mayor of Medford, as I recall for two terms. He was a great guy, but he... Oh, remember, well, I have no problem with that. My issue, though, is that COGAP shouldn't have to pay for city infrastructure, though.

Well, but, of course, this goes back to the mid-80s when they started coming up with the system development fees, which is the idea that all of these nasty developers that are going around improving property values, they need to pay their fair share, right? So before about the mid-1980s, developers just went and developed and things, you know, grew and prospered and whatnot, and that was just the way it was done. So this has been going on for a long time, and the results of this lawsuit are going to be really interesting. Yeah. Well, I was wondering about people like Schlining and others that had to pay the VIG, so to speak,

and build the East Medford McAndrews, you know, aside of McAndrews in order to do their kind of developments. I was just wondering if COGAP won, if they could reopen and say, hey, I got screwed back in the day. Wouldn't that have been interesting, huh? Yeah, if you ever get John Schlining on to talk about all of the adverse economic impacts that they have to survive to successfully bring a development online, you'd be talking for a long time. But anyway, Jerry Lousman, great guy, had a Calaway Corvette, where's a lot of just a handful of a maid, and he used to have it parked out there at the mill, have like a half-inch of sawdust on top of this really rare sports car. Oh, man.

He'd go out and fire that thing up and drive like a bad out of, you know what. But I listened with great attention when you were talking to Congressman Bench yesterday, and Bill, here's what I heard. I heard him say in response to a question that you asked about what does Oregon's energy future look like. Yep, I asked him about that. It was pointed because he's on energy, on the energy in Commerce Committee. Yes. Yes. And what he said in response to your question, everyone in Oregon should be paying it.

He said, however, and this is me paraphrasing, however bad you think Oregon's energy situation is, it's worse. We have rolling energy blackouts, or if not blackouts, brownouts coming. And this is in a state that used to have baseline electrical surpluses all the time. because of the 550 megawatt plant we had up in Bordman. And we were also run by more sensible people in those days, too. That's, you're correct, and that's a different discussion. But what that means is, you know, a lot of people don't understand, especially in this day of everybody getting pushed toward electricity,

the largest draw for electricity in the typical home is your water heater. So a lot of people, you know, they don't think about their water heater, It's there, you know, cranking out hot water for you all day long. That's a base load draw. That's heating water all the time. And then in the summertime, when air conditioners start kicking in, then the load goes way up. So when Congressman Benz says, on the record to you, we have rolling brownouts coming, everyone in Oregon, it should really make them pay attention and realize we're not going into a crisis. The crisis is already here.

It's already here, indeed. The other thing I would recommend, I highly recommend it if you could afford it, get alternative power, get back up, really. You better have generator capacity. I ended up investing in some of that this year to take care of the basics because, you know, we've already had. We've already had a few of these unscheduled outages, and the evidence seems to appear that or seems to indicate that we're going to have more of them as time goes on. Appreciate the call there, Brad. Good Conspiracy Theory Thursday call. What is your conspiracy theory, or just your call?

I don't know. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. It's Lucretia. Lucretia. Oh, wait a minute. I should have known you were calling.

I should have felt it. Wait a minute. Where's your theme? Where is it? Oh, there it is. So, my friend, what's up? Hmm? Well, a couple weeks ago, you kind of put me down for looking at Masonic science.

and my concern is that we have government because we don't trust people, and yet we put people in power before really looking at who they are and what groups are involved in and the big plan that has long been coming. And it's pretty dumb to put the people that are part of the big plan into power. Right? Yeah, well, okay, you're, you know, the Masonic theory, I have had my doubts about it. I've looked into it somewhat.

But anyway. But, you know, you know. Go ahead. Okay. So you go down to the Masonic lodges, and these are the people that are destroying the planet and ruining it and the deep cabals. No, there's a lot of Freemasons that are totally good.

It's at the very top. Oh, okay. Well, you can say that about any group, though, about any government, though. Oh, absolutely. But we're dealing with Charlie Kirk, you know, even Catherine Austin Pitt says, this is theater production. This is intelligence they've been doing this. And she said she's never seen mockery this extreme.

It's totally unusual. You know, they keep adding pieces to the story. You look at who's behind this, the people, their history. It's not good to put dark people or praise dark people. They're giving us evil people. It's like Zelensky with dancing. So who was I praising that's bad, though? Pardon?

Was I praising someone who's actually bad? No, but I hear a lot of people that are thinking that Erica is, you know, wonderful and all. And I question that because of the fact of who her mother and father were, who, you know, I mean, they rented that place where they had the memorial months in advance. I mean, there was no bullet, there was no autopsy, there was no burial, they saw no sadness. They used the Tyler thing like Tylenol too. It's like we're praising her like she's bringing something good, but when you look at even who her mother was who worked for cybersecurity and father with Raytheon and then, you know, Charlie Kirk and then you look at it. So you're just believing the whole, the whole thing, Turning Point USA, top to bottom, and the agenda behind it is essentially. An intelligence operation? Is that what you're thinking?

Literally so. All right. That's a big theory, and I've written, or I've read a lot of alternative journalism, which raises some questions. I don't know if I'm willing to go with the entire TPSA, is it in intelligence agency or not. But you're giving me thought and reason to pause. How about that? Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. Appreciate a call. And if it is, boy, it's a damn good one. I mean, it has us all hook, line, and sinker, if that's the case.

Good morning. Hi, this is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. This is Kirk. Kirk. What's on your mind today? Yeah. Well, I want to make a couple of comments. Sure. I almost, unlike you, you almost sound very naive with regard to the new ballroom. Okay. You said, golly, I'd feel much better if a nonprofit did it. No, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying there needs to be a, now, don't put words into my mouth. I said there needs to be an arm's length transaction. Pardon me? There needs to be an arm's length transaction. And then when you said that, you said, you have a nonprofit. did it. You can go back and listen to what you said. No, I said. In other words, you set up a nonprofit or foundation to take care of the operation. You don't run it as a presidential vanity project, okay?

Okay, so the point I was trying to make with that, you set up a nonprofit. I don't care who runs it. All these companies that you're talking about put their $200 million into the nonprofit. What's the difference? This is at least transparent. Look at Soros and what he does with all the ice stuff. Yeah. He's putting this money in non-profit. Okay, so are you telling me that, and the other question I asked yesterday, are you telling me that if Kamala Harris were doing this,

and she had George Soros and all the other goons from her side there, that we wouldn't be screaming about it? We probably would, but I don't know why we're screaming. Then why are we doing anything that we have to scream about? There are ways to do this without making things look hinky. That's what I'm getting at here. Okay, well, let me go to my second point, which is about Benz yesterday. Yeah.

He said, we've studied this, we've done this, we've done this. We can't get the transmission power or transmission lines up. Yeah, I think that was Bonneville. That was Bonneville. He said they have absolutely looked at this and studied. this forever. He sent something in and said, let people make, build the drone, and they

go, we'll get back to you, we're going to study that. That's exactly what would have happened. I'm walking, so if I'm out of breath you. Oh, okay. I'm not having a heart attack. Yeah, please don't do that. That's bad publicity. Dyes on the air, you know?

The Bonneville deal is a prime example of you could get to do what you want to do. I understand they wouldn't have the permits drawn by the time Trump was out of and one other point. But I would say though

expediency, it's not an emergency and it's not his house. He's a resident there. Well, I understand that, but it's if I took over, if I went into my apartment complex, if I had an apartment complex and said, you know, I've got people

donating to me and I think that this wall needs to be over here, I'd like a swimming pool out here instead. People would think you're crazy, but you do it to the White House and we're okay with it? I'm just too many presidents that have done it, and it's been a hell of a lot more than a bowling alley or a pool. If you go back historically, I've seen pictures of rubbles laying around the side of the way. I agree. And usually when they were doing to that extent, though, there was congressional oversight and it was also congressional appropriations for such actions, okay?

Right, but you don't need appropriations. There probably wouldn't have been any oversight if they didn't need appropriations. Okay. Hey, appreciate your call. Thanks for that. And get healthy. You're walking. Just like RFK Jr.

would tell you to make America healthy again, and he's getting his steps in. It is 844. If you're on hold. You're hearing the Bill Myers' show on 1063, KMED. And now Bill would like to hear from me. Do number 7705-633. It's open phone time on conspiracy theory Thursday. Gosh, we've been talking about Trump wanting to have the Argentine beef come in to lower beef prices.

I'm okay with that. Meanwhile, Democrats try to keep the government shut down because maybe they want to get sporty people. Sporty people like this young gentleman I played early this morning who was on X talking about what he's going to do when his EBT or the Oregon Trail card. goes dead November 1st. All I know is if I don't receive my benefits this month, the food stamps, I feel bad for the mrs. Shop, right?

I will just be rolling my cart out that bitch. Like, I pay for it. But I guess the car just didn't work this month. It'll work next month. I owe you out now, I guess. Because I'm going to be eating Thanksgiving. What you're talking about? I'm eating for Thanksgiving.

I don't know what the f*** what they're talking about. And I'm having turkey him. Yeah, all the good stuff. I'm glad to know that there's someone like him who is washing out my vote on the national stage. Oh, oh, no. You think the Democrats are doing this purposefully? That's one of the questions earlier. I'll keep that open.

Hi, good morning. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Who's this? Welcome. Well, this is Don from Central Point. Hello, Don, from CP. What's up? You know, you said, to be intellectually honest, and I got to tell you, your intellectual honesty

is robbing you of some great radio. The last five times that Lucretia has come up, you've had to look for her theme song. Buddy, you need to have that front center. We got a lot of crazies down here. Well, you know, the thing is, Lucretia's song is usually, you know, it's sitting there hiding in the, what's called a cart wall, and, you know, it takes me a bit of time for the 64-year-old guys' bifocals to focus a bit, okay? So I will keep that in mind. I'll try to keep a separate button, okay? Art Bell, he'd listen to the craziest people, and he'd say things like, well, that's just

incredible. It's not credible. And he'd said, that's unbelievable. He was telling him right along. He was teasing out the crazy, right? But he was doing it in such a way that they seemed like he was on their side. And I just see you with a little stack of sticks and kindling, just kennel their fires. We love that stuff.

The crazier of the voice, the crazier, the jet streams, the ideas, I just, I can't wait for conspiracy Thursday. Well, my thing is that, you know, as far as the jet stream theories and all the rest of it, if we are, if we do control the weather to the extent that many folks believe, and that's okay. We can all believe what we believe, all right, is that I just want to put in better orders, okay? We need to put in better orders, and would you like that,

be able to just place an order for where the jet stream is supposed to go that day? Wouldn't that be cool? If I can get a gold visa, I ought to be able to control weather in an area, just one county for a day. Yeah, yeah. You know, today, you know, I'm having a party,

a birthday party in the backyard. I would like sunny and 72. You know, something like that in October. That'd be good. Like a winner to me. Yeah, yeah. Appreciate the call. Thank you.

Hey, we've got to have a little fun, right? Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. Who's this? Hey, this is Logan, Bill. Oh, hey, Logan, what's up? Hey, you know, it's funny.

We got just kind of the call to go right before there. Lucretia, she's, she's, she, taps on some subjects that are somewhat accurate. And I would just encourage people, you know, it's to look into what's going on with turning point and how they're just buying, you know, whatever cash is selling and whatever the government's telling them, they're just, it's, this is what the story is. And if you, I agree with you that this is the strangest assassination investigation that I've seen in my later lifetime, okay?

Well, I mean, I'll give you that. I will give you that. Now, the thing is, aren't you one of the people who founded T.P. USA, a local chapter? Well, yeah, I started a turning point southern Oregon down here, and that's the whole thing. I'm having trouble even speaking with their new representation. I think that Charlie was a good man and a good man in his heart, and I think that he was pooing on a lot of money that was coming in, the Zion estate that is. taken over, and I think that he was taken out. Everything I can look at is pointing toward,

it's not looking pretty for turning point. The fact that they are just getting on board and whatever cash says, this is our script, this is what we follow, versus truly looking into what happened. I don't know if you heard about the gag order at the judge sign yesterday, but I mean... No, I've not. Tell me about that. I've not paid that granular attention. attention to the investigation, but what happened? Well, you put on an essential gag order of every witness that was there. Why? No one's allowed to speak.

Everyone who was there, you aren't allowed to talk about what happened. Huh. People need to... Now, is this about the trial, though, of the alleged assassin? The alleged assassin, the Patsy. I mean, the bottom line is, if people take the time to really look into this evidence and look at it and don't just take what a news organization is feeding you, The story does not line up, and there is a lot more going on behind the scenes.

And the fact that turning point and the actual organization isn't calling for more answers and looking into this is very disturbing. Well, the part that has concerned me is that at this point, all we have heard about, now, of course, I'm just going back on the, you know, on the bullet, and that one friend of Charlie who was saying that, oh, yeah, the bullet was found, you know, just underneath the scan. and gosh, you know, it was a miracle, neck of steel, et cetera, et cetera. That part is not ringing true to me just as someone who has shot 30-od-6 hunting rifles, okay?

I'm just going to say that, and maybe the other hunting folks out there that have maybe shot a hunting rifle using a 30-od-6 from 150 yards or something, maybe they could either say I'm crazy for even being just a little wiggly on that one, okay? It just didn't look right. That's dead on, Bill. I've shot a turkey neck or whatever. I mean, there's people who've gone out and done these shooting 30-a-6, just a turkey neck or whatever. There's nothing left, Bill. You know what an aught-six round does as well as I do. Everything is not lining up. And the bottom line is the fact that we as, I guess, to say, the Republican side of things is just taking this hook-line and sinker is so sad. And there's a sci-ops going on. It's a very real, real thing, what Lucretia brings. up and then people need to give her more credit. Don't, don't just take what she says. Do your own research. Okay. I appreciate your call there, Logan. 7-7-0-K-M-E-D. You're on hold. I'll get right to you. As we wrap up, Conspiracy Theory Thursday, Thursday. And we'll do our best to get some more conspiracy theory Thursday calls. Price gold, recovering a little bit today about 414, something like that.

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We could always use another one. Why did the skeleton want to eat steak? Why did the skeleton want to eat steak? You want to put meat on his bones. Now, was it Argentine meat or was it American cattle, you know? Argentine. Argentina. Okay, great. All right. Appreciate the call. Francine, good to have you here, Francine. What's up?

Okay, well, let me get through all these, okay? All right. I think that the reason that the whole Charlie Kirk thing was, it looks so absurd, is it was intentionally done badly to incite controversy, okay? That's interesting. thing that's an interesting theory sure i mean it's so bad these people have all the money in the world and they had you know that whole stage was all set up with the with the and when people and when people were saying that the israel did it hey listen when israel kills somebody they kill them dead and and hey it's smooth right smooth operation there's a there's a connection

to israel but let let me let me go on here all right okay so all right so um the turning point is extremely influential it and it really has a a strong grip on a lot of young people. So owning that influence is very appealing to the people that want to rule the world. Okay. So I believe that he was taking out. I don't think he died on stage. I think that was a big, big screw up on purpose, as I said. I don't believe he's alive on an island somewhere either. What good does that do? You know, they don't gain anything from that. So I do believe he's dead. His wife, I think Erica, she's born and bred elite. I mean, she is. And so I believe, that she maybe went in there to seduce and marry him to have a to keep some control on him

in a way and I do believe that it was always intended if he got out of hand for her or to to take over or that's just how it played out this you know she was taking over to to run the show because she is one of them okay you know something that is that is a really interesting theory that is incredible that could be crazy too but you know how well I'll play both sides of this one, Francine, okay? All right? But still, the world is crazy. Yes, and God is great still, okay? Thank you for the call.