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Episode Date: October 27, 2025

Nick Card from the Creekside Quarter PAC answers another question about Measure 15-238. Dr. Powers profiles the Living Memorial Sculpture Garden in N. California, other news, email of the day.

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Okay, so working for the Creekside Quarter Development. Hey, there is a question that more than one person has asked me, Nick, and I wanted to just run this by you because I couldn't really find a solid answer. And I'm going to share an email from Michael, who sent it this morning. And he said, Bill, can you please look into and maybe answer a question regarding this development? I read the pamphlet, and it states that this measure is the first step and only includes the conference center and the event center. But who is paying for the remainder of the projects, hotel, ballpark, retail, community, spaces?

And what Michael is saying is that he fears once we're on the hook and knee deep after 15-2-38 is passed, assuming it were to pass, the next step would be additional taxes in order to finish the project. And so he wanted to know it's a reasonable question. I don't exactly know what to say to him. I was wondering if you could shed some light on this, please. Sure, Bill, I think it's a really good question because I know that's something that, you know, a lot of people are always afraid of is, you know, is this just the first step and are you going to keep coming back to the well? Right. So there's a couple things that I want to say on that piece.

One is that for this entire development, 90% of that is privately financed. So it's private dollars that are coming into this. And because we're working with a private partner on this development, you know, it's primarily a private development. that means that this isn't like the city's going to, you know, 15-238 passes. The city isn't going to start raising that money, cut a check, and then hope and pray that we get a conference center. The city isn't even going to start collecting the taxes from 15-238 until we have a conference center to cut the check for.

And so that means... So this is after the building then. This is really... Exactly. Okay. All right. Now, a question for you, because the thing is, though, is that it's not... 90% private finance, that means that we have to come up with essentially 50 million, correct?

Correct. All right. And is that 50 million all at once? Is that 50 million over a series of years? How is that potentially being structured right now? Exactly. So there are a handful of pieces of Creekside Quarter that are eligible for public funding. And so that's the conference center, the Creekside improvements, the parking.

facility and the stadium. And so those together make up that about $50 million number. What we're looking at is for the conference center, that's what measure 15-238. We're going to tax visitors through that lodging tax. That's how we're going to pay for that. Okay, but that's the conference center. But that's the conference center. How does the ball field, if this is to be arranged, how does it get paid for? Because if I understand correctly, this would be owned by the city of Medford, correct? Well, so we have not settled on exactly what the ownership is going to look like for the ball field. There's a lot of pieces that have to be agreed to before this can be set in stone and move forward. That's got to be, you know, an agreement with the operators, which are the Eugene Emeralds.

We have to have an agreement with Major League Baseball regarding stadium design and the agreement with the developer who's going to be part of the project. So those pieces have to be decided. But let's talk about other public funding sources, because I think that's what the real question is. We can do things like concessions fees or ticket fees. We have things like urban renewal dollars. And we can also do what are called like tiny tax districts. so we can create a like a tiny tax district around this Creekside Quarter development and basically using those property tax dollars to help fund that project.

And so what that means is we're not going to be creating more fees for residents. We're not going to need to raise property taxes. The people who benefit from this project will pay for that project. Okay. And I just want to be clear, though, as far as how does the ball field get paid for or the stadium right now. There is no plan on that involved with anything about 15-238. None of that has been decided yet, and that is a work in progress. Is that fair? Yes, absolutely. And to explain why we're at this position, we have the conference center,

we have the feasibility study. That's probably the most solid piece of that development, along with the private components that go along with the hotel and some of the office space and then the parking would need to be justified by the conference center. And so that division for putting those together is probably the strongest, and we have the most clarity on exactly what that's going to take. The stadium, we're still working through different pieces of that. We've narrowed it down when we were originally talking with the emeralds coming down, their stadium proposal was like $100 million.

We're now, we value-engineered that down, right-sizing it for Medford and the needs here. We're now looking at the high 60s or low 70s. We're still finalizing some design pieces. So those are going to come later. We actually did a town hall for the Creekside Quarter that's on our website, creaksidequarter.com. And one of the things we talked about there was how really the baseball stadium is probably going to come last. It just doesn't make sense until we get a lot of this other stuff built.

And so that's kind of the timeline as you look out what's going to happen. The baseball stadium will come later. This conference center is what we want to see happen first because that's the strongest and most justified, and it's something that our community has identified as a need. Does the conference center come with hotel rooms or has had an additional project? The conference center, the developer who's looking to build the conference center, they're going to build that with the hotel. With the hotel.

Okay, so it's hotel slash conference center. What about the retail space? Is that considered part of the 15-238 also? 15-238 does not pay for any retail space, nor does it pay for any of the hotel. It is just dollars for the conference center. The developer will likely build out. Like I said, the hotel and conference center will be co-operated, is the current plan, as I understand it, and so they will likely get built about the same time. I do not know

if our developer is going to phase the retail into a second phase or build that as part of the first phase. Those are still up in the air as they're sort of securing their financing and everything else that goes along with the deal. All right. Nick Card, I appreciate you coming on and clarifying some of that because I really didn't have a good answer for it. I think you've pretty much made it clear. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Bill. All right. Thank you very much. Nick Card once again on the Creekside Quarter PAC Political Action Committee. KMED, KMED, H.D1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG Grants Pass. News next, and then we have where pass meets present, Dr. Dennis Powers, and much more.

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Welcome back, Doc. Good to have you on. Always a pleasure to be with you, my friend, for 15 years, and we always learned something, at least I do. Darn straight, we do. We both do, all right? The Living Memorial Sculpture Garden is what we're going to focus on today, and what was it about this that is so special that you wanted to make sure we knew more about this? This really, Bill, stands out to me because Veterans Day is going to be on Tuesday, November 11th,

and what we have is the Living Memorial Sculpture Garden is located on the northwestern slope of Mount Shasta. Take Highway 97 north from the city of weed for about 13 miles, and you get right. right into where it is. And this, Bill, this whole story really stands out to me about what people can do, you know, when they don't have everything given to them, as we're seeing in Portland with Antifa and the people that are rioting, Rick Delugo was an artist and a Vietnam vet in 1987. And Bill, he envisioned this living memorial. at that time for all Vietnam veterans, but those that had died in service of the country, there'd be some 58,000 trees.

So a living forest grove of a sculpture sort, right? Is that kind of what you're getting at? Yeah, and what was amazing, though, is that Delgado had a friend that was John Sutter in the USFS, being the Forest Service, and he explained his idea, that he wanted to have a dedicated forest grove as to one planet for each American service person killed in the Vietnam War. This then became a broader understanding, but John Sutter then really guided the project through the bureaucratic process. And in 1988, a Dennis Smith, who was an artist of Vietnam, a Marine veteran of Vietnam, who could make large steel sculptures. arrived in Siscue County, built $6 in his pocket.

Six bucks in his pocket, okay. So he came here with Nutton, and what did he do, huh? Well, all that Rick could offer Dennis was a place to live and food. But then it really took off in terms of they started getting money as they came in. volunteers were coming in. It just went really strong, just by word of mouth. You had then church groups, high school kids, 4-H clubs, veterans group, the American Legion. They got involved in fundraising. And Bill, they planted more than 90,000 trees, but in this are the metal sculptures and different views of Vietnam in metal by Dennis.

Smith, and these are incredible, the helicopter and soldiers that fight. And this really took off, and I just kept thinking, my golly, you know, look at what happened. They didn't have any money. They didn't have anything except an association with one person at the U.S. Forest Service. And so right now, on Memorial Day and Veterans Day, this organization, and it's actually run by the Kwanis Club in Weed Lake Chastina, they have two memorial services where new names are placed on the wall. It's an exquisite site. Images of the sculptures and gardens, probably about 100,000 trees now are out throughout there, and all because of the vision that had by three people without any money. And I just keep thinking of our glorious Salem Marxist who are going ahead in California-cating our state,

where in this and Medford, Ashland, and a number of other cities here, joined forces, really. Of course, not formally, like a city council, but the people, and they came up with something that's exquisite at 11 o'clock Tuesday, Veterans Day Services, starting at 11 o'clock a.m., and it's amazing. I want to ask you, Doctor, with these more than 100,000 trees now, do every one of these trees have like a plaque by them, or is it something where there's almost like a guy that says, okay, this, you know, this tree is in memory of Sergeant Carter. I'll just make up a name or, you know, whatever the case might be. What it is, is on this wall, names are permanently inscribed in the garden itself.

Oh, okay, in the garden itself, the names are inscribed. So is it like a plaque of some sort? Because you're not going to inscribe it on the tree, I don't think you would, right? It is totally in terms of names inscribed on walls like the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington, D.C. Okay. But the key thing here, Bill, is that it was created by people that wanted to honor servicemen. Yeah, I get that. You're still there, Doc?

Oh, yeah. You better believe it. What I was trying to find out is if the trees are for individual soldiers or it's a collective forest, so to speak. I wasn't sure. It is a collective force. Okay. All right. That's the living sculpture.

That's what makes it so beautiful, especially because they're continually replacing trees, you know, that some don't make it, some do. But we're now getting off the fact that it should be seen not only for being a moving site, but one that the people did go ahead and went through incredible hardships to make a, a presentation for all of us now. All right, that's great. I didn't want to get off into the weeds on it. I was just curious not having seen it before and just wondering if, and of course I

really do need to go see this with the looks of it, but I wasn't sure if it was like 100,000 plaques or, but yeah, the 100,000 on the wall, 100,000 names on the wall or whatever. That's different, right? And you know, Bill, what we can do in that is for your listeners, is to have them take a look at the Living Memorial Sculpture Garden on the web and take a look at some of the images that they have when you Google the site. Thank goodness, you know, for the Internet and bringing in views that we should see.

I'm just really, I would almost say, nearly choked up when I see it because of the fact of the way that some people, ordinary folks, reach to heights of non-ordinary carriage. And by the way, starting with very little money, too. And that's an important distinction here. And starting from an idea. And we will get this all up, and I appreciate that. And we'll continue here. We'll take it to the president now.

You're ready for Trump time and other things? Oh, I'm always there with you ready for it. Yeah. Can't get away from it, my friend. We'll have more with Dr. Dennis Powers next on the Bill Myers Show. It's not all about you when it comes to... On Union Avenue in Grands Pass and on Crater Lake Avenue, north of Violence Road. It's the Bill Myers Show on KMED, Southern Oregon's Place to Talk.

Dr. Dennis Powers, a retired professor of business of law. Hey, Doc, I wanted to talk to you about a local issue there, the city of Ashland, since you live in Ashland. Just briefly, I wanted to touch on this. I read an article that talked about the... the Metford, or the, sorry, Ashland City Council, telling the Parks Department to come up with a plan because the meals or the parks tax, the parks fee, is set to sunset in a very short time, which would cut millions of dollars out of the, out of the parks budget here. Have you kept up on that? Anything we need to know about what the City Council's thinking these days?

You know, there's an article on Ashton.com news that was just posted today. And, Bill, on that, first of all, the sunset is in five years at 2030. Here's where we have the... Oh, okay, five years, so it's not like next year type thing, all right. But the concept that you're bringing in is very important because it never had this 5% food and beverage tax. approved, was sold to the voters because it's just temporary. Well, like, you know, Democrats, nothing is temporary when it comes to going ahead and getting more money. Well, kind of like the Obamacare tax subsidies, right? You know, the tax credit subsidies that are always supposed to

retire or go away at the end of this year. And now they're a major bone of contention on this government shutdown deal, right? Yeah, excellent point, because the way that the far-left Marxists go ahead and sell things is, why tell the truth? So this is one that really does stand out. But it's collected at everything from caterers and coffee shops to restaurants, businesses retain only 5% of the tax collected, which is 5% to pay for the accounting. But what's interesting here is that the concept is one is it goes to capital improvements to support the rehabilitation of local parks and open spaces. Well, what we've seen here is especially at Lithia Park in a number of places where a number

of us go for, you know, power walks. We have seen what's happened ever since the City Council took over the Parks Department because it used to be independent. It's not now. And so we can see where they've been taking money out of the Parks and Recreation Department. apartment that's going to really general needs, and it's a travesty. What is it? Is it park money actually being kind of shifted to homelessness needs?

Absolutely. There's no question about it. And you see, what was interesting is that when the city council, a few years ago, decided that, oh, we can't have something that's independent and took it over, the numbers, one, two, and three people took off, and they are working in Medford doing the same thing that they did here. And what it is is that whatever the city council here, which is left, says, I'm just not going to pay attention to it because the fact that it is five years out, and what they're doing

is they're just trying to make it to where all the money that they can get their hands on, they can go ahead and distribute it as they really like, and for substance, they can say, well, we'll put in, yeah, I don't know, maybe 20%, you know, to the Parks Department. Yeah, yeah, you're paying a $5 or a 5% fee or 5% on your meals tax. I forget exactly what the taxation rate is, but the thing is, I wonder if over time they have seen this is counterproductive, Doc, and I'm serious, I can't tell you how many people I know that would otherwise go and have a meal in Ashland, but they refuse out of principle to pay the meal sales tax. And I'm wondering if we're having any evidence that this has actually

hurt the local restaurant scene or not. I don't know. Well, the overall attitude of the city council to business is what can hurt the business environment. And as to the... So they only exist then to be a tax mule for the city council then? Well, you see, the tourists are the ones that just go in there and they have no idea what's going on. They just pay their bill. They go on the merry, merry way.

And for the residents here, it's the same thing. It's the fact that, you know, the residents can suck wind. and I would think between you and I, you know, I've been living here for, what, 35 years, and I just figured the 5% was just part of enjoying a good meal at a restaurant here in town. And they have continually gone ahead, being the city council, to renew this 5% food and beverage tax. and it provides about 3 million a year in revenue. And right now, given the fact of how out of touch Oregon and its liberal cities are, with respect to this country and with respect to its voting citizens, this is just same-o-same-o.

Because we walk all the time in terms of back trails in Lithia Park and also in other parks. and we can see where the maintenance is not the way it used to be. They're just, you know, if they cut down branches and trees on the trail, they just leave it there in the creek. So I'm kind of curious, you know, since you've been there in Ashland for so many years, how do they take care of the parks prior to a, you know, the fee and the hotel motel or the meals tax, et cetera? Well, they work on complaints because I happen to be at a meeting,

but not really a meeting, but one to, where the city council people, including their administrative aides, were at Lithia Park, and you could really tell that what motivates them are complaints, not in terms of any responsibility to the voting people, period. Okay. All right, Doc. Well, we'll set that aside. I was just kind of curious.

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fortunereserve.com, fortune reserve.com. Hey, Doc, we have Gino from Ashland. He wanted the comment on the meals tax, his personal experience with that. How you doing, Gino? Good day, have you on. Good morning, sir. Good morning. Good morning. So listen, back when they were putting the meals tax in, I owned a restaurant here in Ashland. My business went from half a million dollars a year to $97,000 the next year after they put the meals tax in. When I was coming down from a potluck up on the town hills after the meals tax, and I was riding with a friend of mine. We had been at a meeting all day long, and somebody said, hey, let's go down the senior sands and I'll have a food.

So we're getting this truck, and we're driving down the mountain, and I'm going, wow, this is a really nice truck, man. Where'd you get it? We start talking, turn an $80,000 truck. We get to the bottom of the hill, and we turn left to go to Medford. And I go, hey, senior Sam's right there in Ashland. Oh, no, everybody wants to go to Medford. I said, why do they go to Medford? Nobody wants to pay the meals tax.

I was hanging out with some of the most high-end people in Ashland. None of them wanted to pay the 5% meals tax. By the way, it was promised at 3. It was started at 3%. I showed up the meeting. I said, hey, you guys want to put a meals tax in? and I'm a restaurateur here, we don't even know if the people have actually won a meal stocks. So, Kathy Goldens, stood, and boom, she blangs and gaggle, yeah, we're going to do a special election.

So we did the special election. It was promised at 3%. It came in. The minute they passed, they went to 5%, it's never come down since. And I believe it really hurts us. Interesting. Okay, I agree. And, Gino, I'm really sorry to hear about your personal experience.

What I have also could add to what you're bringing in is that this all happened, you know, over three decades ago. What's happened over time is that Ashland, Oregon receives over 350,000 visitors annually and some a million that they go into Lithia Park. and by always keeping a lid on what's going on, they have gotten, they being the city council, have gotten used to a lot of good money, although I can certainly see when this came in. And I remember I was here too. I agree with you. I'm sorry that you went through it. Yeah, I think there's a certain percentage.

It'd be one thing if everybody had the same meals tax everywhere, not that I'm saying, hey, let's make that even. But I'm saying when you have a choice, choice, when you have a choice. Now, maybe the tourists are locked into that, but perhaps the locals go elsewhere. Oh, and Bill, I totally agree with both what you and Gino are saying, that on residents, especially, you know, if you directly really dislike the fact the way it was brought in and the way it was lied. I kind of laugh about when we're talking about the mayor then, because there's a number of stories as to what was happening doing her tenure.

But on the other hand, the way it's doing now is that the city council now in 2025, my friends can go ahead and argue all they want, but you know it's going to be staying there. You know whether it becomes permanent or not as irrelevant because the fact that they're used to it with what they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, you're used to the uncomfortable discipline. I get that. All right. I want to pivot away from Ashley now,

and I want to talk about the national situation with the partial government shutdown. All right. We're more than three weeks here. Speaker Mike Johnson spoke this morning. I took a couple of notes on what he had mentioned. And he had talked about how the Democrats... Now, of course, Democrats are thinking that they're winning on this particular issue, Doc. And I'm not convinced of that yet.

but the Republicans have remained amazingly united on this, on holding the line here. Speaker Johnson said that what the Democrats are proposing, this is what they're demanding in order to get those extra three or four votes in order to reopen what's been closed on the federal government. They want $200 billion of foreign aid. They want non-citizen health care also subsidized as the continuation of those Obamacare health cuts, or the health tax credits, rather. They also want a half billion dollars a year going to

national public radio and public television. They want to refinance that. And he said that we're not going to do this. He also openly admitted that the Democrats are now admitting that they're using pain as a leverage on this, because now we're talking about snap benefits going away for about one-fifth of Oregon's population. It is what they're looking at here, Doc.

Actually, one out of six, one-sixth of Oregon's population. And I don't know, at this point, don't you go out there and talk to the Senate and tell Thune, just go ahead and use the nuclear option and just bust it, bust it down to 50 votes, just a majority, and then just move forward, or is it dangerous to go in that direction? How do you see it? Well, you know, first of all, this is extortion by the Democrats. Of course it is.

I mean, I'm no doubt about that, but I'm saying, you know, rather than giving the Democrats the shutdown, I mean, do you think that, you know, shutting off snap benefits for the poor is a good policy right now? I'm just saying, go ahead, just bust it up, do a clean resolution, don't give the Democrats what they're looking for, but at least get the wheels turning again to an extent. What do you think? Well, my personal feeling, as I mentioned, is extortion. But the specifics of this is that the far left that has taken over the Democratic Party, I don't really think cares. They like the fact that they're getting publicity, being the Democrats.

Ikeem and the rest of them. But you know, Bill, what really stands out is the fact that it was a clean extension. Well, they have always voted for clean extensions in the past, except they wanted their pet projects funded this time. You know that. That's what was going on. Well, yeah, but you see, on that argument that the Republican have been using, that whenever we were there, we went ahead with the non-contingion extension.

Yeah, we just vote to extend it, and we extend the carnage, you know, until the next budget cycle. I really believe that underneath it all with the far-left lurch, and by sources, money, And by all the things we've talked about for, you know, all these Mondays, it is the fact that I don't think they far left really cares why, because chaos is in their best interest. But that's what I'm getting at. Chaos is in their best interest and just blow it up, just say, all right, we use the nuclear option. John Thune uses the nuclear option instead of needing 60 votes, we need 51 votes, and then, done, get the clean resolution, or are the Republicans concerned about what happens when they're in the minority someday?

Well, that's part of it. The other part, though, is that it's the game of chicken. Because whoever gets in first, especially with the fact that you have the big, beautiful bill, that the far left is trying to say, oh, we really, although they're... Well, yeah, well, what their demands are are derailing a lot of the big beautiful bill is what they're doing. A lot of the cuts that were done there would go away. Again, the question that I hit is that if you go ahead and do the nuclear option to be specific to your question,

because all the answers they've been giving really come into the same thing, which is the fact that they just say when they're back and they get what they want, well, we're not going to go along with the budget, because this is just back in November, and let's see if you can make it through next January of 2026. So they're thinking about midterms. All right, I get that. But still... Oh, I don't think they care, Bill.

Well, they could be, though, but wouldn't this be the most expedient? Just blow it up right now. Use the nuclear option instead of 60. You get 52, 53. They already had 53 or 54. I think last time they were doing this. They get their clean resolution. Public television is not going to get the money.

Public radio is not going to get their money. They're not going to increase USAID spending. That's also one of the demands that they're not. making. They want more a four and eight, a couple hundred billion dollars, this over the next ten years. They don't get their candy, but they'll still have their snap benefits. So would it be wise just to do that? No. It might have the information, and I could be wrong. But the reason why I say no, and I keep saying the word, it's the game of chicken, is that as soon as the Republicans make any type of compromise, the far left that's running this whole operation will say,

see, they're a bunch of chickens. Yeah, but you see, this is a a compromise. This is just saying, screw you. We're going to give you the clean one that we voted for in the House. CR, nothing extra. Boom. We're going back in. We're opening up, and you've got nothing out of this, guys. Yeah. I like your argument, but my own way of looking at it is the fact that I'm from looking at it from the Democrat side, rather than the Republican side, is that they're in such a sea of chaos, more chaos, everything they're doing. I don't think they care, especially because we have, Bill, many months before we're into the 2026 November election cycle.

Yeah, a heck of a lot can happen between now and then, that's for sure. And a lot of people can forget. Yeah, all right. Point well taken. I could be wrong. And now, the other thing here, tomorrow is going to be another hearing, and this has to do, I think this has to do with Judge Emmergut. No doubt you've been paying attention to this story.

They ended up delaying the ruling that was supposed to have happened. Thursday or Friday, forget which day last week. And this has to do with whether or not she's going to dissolve her temporary restraining order, preventing President Trump from deploying Oregon National Guard troops to Portland to calm things down there. Do you think that immigrants going to dissolve it, or how would you play this legally? You know, you're hitting Bill all of the major issues that all of us have. And on the question of ICE in Portland, immigrant is going to wait until, apparently, at this time, it's going to be Tuesday, tomorrow at 5 o'clock.

The entire Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is handling the appeal they came up by the far left on immigrants' first holding. But what's interesting is that if you look at the two motions that came in, having to do with, A, Portland's National Guard coming in, and then B, California's National Guard coming in instead of Oregon's National Guard, you had two different factual situations. But my friend, what happened then was that, of course, the Justice Department and all of us said, well, it's the same damn legal concept. So immigrant, you should go ahead and just, you know, go ahead with what the appeal is saying. But then she said, I will not make a ruling on both of them until I hear from all of my brothers and sisters on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal. So she's pining it there. She's waiting for them.

Okay. All right. Okay. Do you believe that the Ninth Circuit says, yeah, the president does have authority to do this? Boy, I really think that's 50-50 because you had two to one in terms of the first hearing by the ninth sort of appeals. Two Trump, one Biden. In my litmus test, which has always worked because I'm not practicing law, is I just take a look as who is the greatest fundraiser for the Democratic side, and I'll never vote. for what our Justice Department wants. Yeah. It's interesting to see, though,

yeah, it's interesting to see what's happening in the so-called mainstream, if you want to call it the cartel media. I read an article over in Oregon Live. Now, Oregon Live, of course, is a lickspiddle to the entire Democratic or progressive cartel. I read, they're all in on this. But I've noticed a change in reporting recently here, Doc. And over the weekend, there was a story in the, there by Christine DeLeon in the Oregon Live.

And it was 15 pages long, and it was going through the incredible deprivations that the neighbors of the Portland Ice Facility protest, they talk about their incredible sleepless nights, gas masks at ready. You know, they're having to buy gas masks in order to, you know, stay in their apartment complexes surrounding ice. And yet we're told that this is all peaceful and this is just a, you know, a handful. of people that are causing this problem. And the thing is, and I think the telling point, though,

is that they call Portland police every weekend here just trying to get the noise ordinances enforced on like a Saturday or Sunday night, when the crowds are there, you know, mostly. And Portland police will do nothing. And so really what we're looking at here is how Portland tacitly tolerates the violence against a federal property and this disorder.

So, you know, this idea that, well, we're not going to enforce the law. We're not going to do anything about it. And the judges tell us that President Trump can't enforce it either. I don't think that can stand, do you? Well, in terms of the legal arguments and what we see in terms of our side, I couldn't agree more. And you're hitting all the issues. The problem we have are twofold. One is that this is a sanctuary state, and because of that, that is what's underneath all this that hopefully will get into the Supreme Court.

The second thing, Bill, is the intimidation factor. I am convinced that judges are leaning towards Antifa, because they do not want Antifa to be showing up at their door as Merrick Garland allowed. So this is just out of fear, then. They're thinking, I have to come up with the right reasoning rather than... It's a civil war. I agree with all of your reasoning that's coming in there. But that's a great issue, Bill. A great point to get into.

If we look at all the different issues that are coming up, my friend, in terms of ICE being in a normal city or a sanctuary state, there's everything from the Insurrection Act to, you know, posse comitatis, so all these different things. And the first thing I learned in law school, and I saw in the court for years, my friend, is that give the judge something to put their hat on. So all of these issues are just putting in there if they like they being the far left. And that's why the Alliance Defending Freedom is so important in this chaos,

and the civil war that's going on, that they go ahead being the far left and put in what they think that this Democratic judge will like and will go with, and that's what we're seeing. All right. We'll see what happens on Tuesday, but justice and some order and some peace need to be brought back to these poor people. There's hundreds of people who live around the ice facility, and it's absolutely unfair, But, you know, when you have Portland police, not even wanting to enforce the noise ordinances that would get anybody else busted, that tells you that there's a total collapse in law enforcement response. And so it has been, you know, it may not be a war zone, but it's certainly a low level and sometimes higher level continual siege mentality going on over there.

It's not right. Shouldn't be. And that's a good argument, Bill, because where you have police going ahead and really, you know, arresting a civilian, non-antifa member, really supporting the sanctuary state, that is certainly a very good factor as to the fact that the state is in an insurrection that the state... Yeah, I would argue it's already in a soft insurrection. direction and they're trying to harden it really okay hey doc i'm out of time i turn into a pumpkin because markley van camp and robins are coming up here in just a couple of minutes but uh i just want to thank you as always and i'll be taken next monday off but we'll catch you the week after that how about that i love i love all the shows bill including yours it's always great so bon voyage enjoy

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