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Episode Date: October 30, 2025

News and headline catchup, onto religious liberty with Matt Kellum, senior counsel at First Liberty Institute - Ohio city bans live nativity from public property...yep, secular cities are still at it.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Great to have you here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday, October 30th, October 30th. Last chance we have to talk for a couple of days. I'm going to take a couple days off Friday and Monday, and we're going to take a delayed anniversary trip.

Linda and I having our... How many years have we been married now? You get to the point where you start counting. You stop counting rather thinking, well, you know, I've been together since October, you know, 20, 22. So even though we didn't get married until 2024, as far as we're concerned, it's a 23rd anniversary. That kind of thing. It's kind of funny because we met on October 1st of 2002 and then we got married on October 8th of 2004. And so we always tell people, yeah, we met October 1st and then we got married October 8th.

They're going, really? What? No, no, no, two years apart. But yeah, it's been a good thing. We're going to take a little trip out to the coast, do a little bit of kick it around, doing fun stuff like that. Oh, Mr. Outdoors, speaking of traveling things, we're going to get the Halloween look, how, I guess it's going to be pretty good for the most part. But there is a big conspiracy theory Thursday story coming up in the Outdoor Report of all places. and it has to do with what's going on with some access to public land. Mr. Outdoors has that story coming up for me at 710 this morning. Also plenty of time for your calls. We're also going to be talking with First Liberty.

First Liberty are the people that are out always defending the First Amendment, especially when it comes to the liberty connected to the First Amendment and freedom of religion, freedom of religion and your faith issues and things like that. and we still have, we still have governments that are going, oh, you're doing something religious and it's near public property, we have to stop you. But, of course, you know, if there was a shrine to abortion, you'd have that on public land. But we'll talk about the latest case coming out of a state I used to live in. As I had mentioned before, you know, you'd think that governments would have figured this out, but then it doesn't appear that governments are thinking very much these days. all right oh also talking to some people involved with measure 50 and that's in in california

and there's actually a group of well they call themselves patriotic chinese patriotic chinese and they are trying to get rid of that redistricting thing which our folks here in northern california will be voting on listeners in northern california will be voting on for tuesday because they're trying to do the same thing that in texas you know it's all this redistricting we're going to to try to, in California, get rid of any kind of Republican. Now, this could get rid of Doug Lamalfa if it ends up being successful because Doug Lamalfa's district, instead of being essentially Siskue County, would end up being, like, you know, going down into parts of San Francisco.

So essentially, you have the, you know, the communist street people that would be choosing who would be the Congress critter for Siskue County. I mean, that's the kind of plan that they're talking about to get rid of whatever few Republicans are left there. It's kind of like a political genocide, I think, is what you could call that. Now, I know that redistricting and stuff goes on all the time, and everybody who happens to be in power will tend to gerrymander it to favor their party for the most part. But it looks like what California is looking to do is, whoa, even more intense than what Texas was doing to the Democrats. Now, see, Texas dominated by Republicans, but, you know,

they went after, you know, famously remember that, when the Democrats ended up walking out. Remember that story? You know, that story. Of course, we can't walk out here because reasons. But be that as it may, they're trying to do the same thing down in California to get rid of all the Republicans. All right. So that's that story. And these patriotic Chinese are saying, oh, hey, listen, we've lived under bad situations. We don't want this to happen here. They don't like one party rules. So we'll talk with one of their reps coming up here. in just a little bit. Let's see. Let's take a look at some of our local headlines.

Boy, I'll tell you, nothing says goodness on conspiracy theory Thursday when you see terms in news coverage such as violent, transient. Yes, it just warms the cockles of your heart. Rogue Valley Times reporting, Jackson County Transient sentenced to 18 years in the brig in prison for a couple of robbery cases in 2025, 2023. And Michael Ray Hastings, and a co-defendant, they were at the quick in-and-out on Stephen Street in Medford. This was February last year. Stealing merchandise, Hastings pulls a knife, threatens to stab a store clerk.

Just a gentle, once again, a gentle homeless person just down on his luck then. First-degree robbery, second-degree robbery, unlawful use of a weapon, guilty on all charges. So that's it. Good going then on this particular case. So he's been sentenced to 130 months in prison, about 113. year in 11 years with 2025 crime but you got to look at the at his past year previously he was charged with first degree robbery first degree burglary second degree unlawful use of a weapon he had an incident in prospect angry at an intimate partner shot at the partner's vehicle

pointed the gun in her threatened a killer took her purse threatened to assault her if she tried to take it back multiple convictions for violent offenses over the last 30 years Felony conviction for assault with a deadly weapon, late 90s in California. Felony conviction for a drive-by shooting in Arizona in 2001. Felony conviction for assaulting that intimate partner in 2014 in California. And so the question that you have to keep running through your head is, why was this guy ever let out on the street in the first place? Yeah.

Is this just the end result of the de-institutionalizing of, the situation. Well, you know, prison sentences, it's really mean and, you know, we need to, you know, reach prisoners where they are and talk them out of it. Usually most criminals age out of bad behavior, but apparently Hastings did not. That's who prison is made for. We have someone else who is going to be going in prison for a long, long time, 25 years in prison for a central point man, Zach Martinez. He pled guilty Wednesday. First degree rape, first degree he saw to me, sentenced to 300 months in Oregon Department of Corrections, Lifetime, post-supervision after he gets out of prison.

And he can, and he admitted to it, just confessed. Wow. So a couple of big criminal cases there in Southern Oregon. This one's kind of weird, kind of bubbling underneath the surface. K-O-B-I-5 was reporting the other day. I was watching this story, kind of intrigued by it. Invasive Giant Reed. Threatened Southern Oregon waterways and fire safety.

I guess the Latin name for it is Arrundo Donax, the invasive plant, commonly known as Giant Reed, confirmed in Southern Oregon waterways. They have an urgent eradication effort by the conservationist here. The grass can shoot up to about four inches a day. It's kind of like, kind of reminds you like how bamboo can grow. Oh, boy, don't plant bamboo in your backyard. You know about that, right? It'll take over everything. But giant reed can grow four inches a day, be 25 feet tall, and a threat to our riverbank areas.

Man, this is a wild story. Space is more prevalent in warmer climates like California and Texas, but they're suggesting fewer frost days in Oregon, meaning invasive plants will have more of a chance of spreading. And it just displaces everything. And it also sucks a lot of water, too, you know, apparently. Drinks a lot of water and very flammable. Yeah, okay, that's the reason why you've got to knock that stuff down, but they are really doing it out.

The plant reproduces mainly, I just find the story interesting, sorry here, but the plant reproduces mainly through its deep fragment-prone rhizomes. and stems, meaning you remove it, it's often counterproductive because small pieces float downstream when they start new infestations. You know, that kind of reminds me of the challenge that I've had in my stupid yard. I've been telling you about for years with Bermuda grass. And I've gotten to the point where I've gotten tired of trying to kill the Bermuda grass. I know that Bermuda grass is grown as a lawn in some places, but every time I try to kill it, it's like it doesn't seem to matter it. I don't know if there is enough roundup in the

whirl to kill it. And that Bermuda grass also ends up reproducing through rhizomes. You know, the rhizomes, they kind of snake around and get through things. And they say, if you're going to stop the Bermuda grass, you have to have a barrier down really deep in the soil, which I've not done yet. But I'm almost getting to get to the point where I'm ready just to throw in the town and say, okay, Bermuda grass, all right. So the lawn's going to look like crap in the winter when the Bermuda grass goes dormant and gets gray instead of green. But other than that, you know, it just seems to grow. It is, it's like the cockroach, the cockroach, in my opinion, of grasses. Not as bad as the invasive giant reed, but still, well, you know, first world problems for Bill Meyer and the Bill Meyer show, okay?

21 minutes after six, interesting what's going on with the Trump administration, President Trump talking with Chairman Xi last night of China and working out some global trade deals. says, what was it, it's 12 on a scale of 10. On a scale of 1 to 10, it was at 12, President Trump saying they're making good deal, try to work at lowering tariff rates for China. They're going to buy some of our soybeans, a whole bunch of our soybeans. I'm sure a lot of the soybean farmers are going to be really happy about that. And we'll see what happens in the next week or so when they end up getting together again. What I found interesting about that is that this is all happy faces yesterday. The Epic Times has painted a very different picture. I don't know if you subscribe to the Epic Times, but they are, of course, Epic Times was founded by essentially refugees from

Communist China, you know, came over here and then they do this, and they tend to tell a different kind of tale about what's going on with Communist China. And this is what they're saying, though, behind the CCP's closed doors, a weakened Xi Jinping. Now, that's really interesting. You think, you know, you see the panda, you know, up there with President Trump, and you're thinking that, oh, my gosh, you know, he's got everybody in line. But what they're reporting here, and it hasn't gotten a lot of play, Xi Jinping has kept his title as China's Supreme Leader after a closed-door conclave

among top party leadership in Beijing last week. Many signs suggest that he's no longer all-powerful, according to the Chinese analyst, even as the regime tries to portray the opposite. This is because there was this meeting back on October 20th, 10 days ago, called the Fourth Plenum. It's a gathering of more than 300 members of the regime's central committee. That's the governing committee.

and it had a little more than its usual share of intrigue mass purges of military apparently friendly to Chairman Xi, the sidelining of Chairman Xi's allies, unexplained absences at a shift from the party's usual political priorities. And what Steve Mosher says, and I need to get him back on the show, because I talked with him maybe a couple of years ago. He did that book, Bully of Asia, why China's dream is the new threat to world order. But Steve Mosier said that he thinks that Chairman Xi's days are numbered. He'll either be put out to pasture or simply sidelined. And what ended up happening is that, and what makes Stephen say this is that October 20th, nine senior generals friendly to Chairman Xi, including China's second highest ranked military official,

were ousted. One of the biggest military purges that they've had in communist China in decades, and all nine of them were military leaders that Chairman Xi had personally elevated. And many of them had started off in a military unit in Fujan province bordering Taiwan. The unit became so closely associated with Chairman Z that analysts sometimes referred to it as Z's family army. all right and what they're saying though is that

these people were hardliners at taking back Taiwan and so the hardliners about taking back hard about Taiwan have been purged and does this mean they're being replaced by people that

are a little more moderate or or thinking differently about Taiwan that's kind of what they're saying so I don't know that well that may only help then that may only help then President Trump as he tries to get better better trade deals and this and that the other if we can kind of take the taking over of Taiwan and the taking back of Taiwan off the table here or cool that down I think that could only be helpful here for the Trump administration and frankly for the United States of America

625 great story though and if you're not an epic time story subscriber, I think you can get a few stories. Maybe you can take a look at that, but it's called behind CCP's closed doors a weakened Xi Jinping. 626 at KAMED. This is the Bill Meyer's show. Cracked concrete patios are unsightly and for comprehensive identity protection,

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There are a few names of this. Crony capitalism, corporate welfare, or the other term, fascism. The people working at the stadium part-time will get SNAP and Medicaid so that the employers don't have to give benefits or the famous living wage. A few people will profit millions on the project while the residents. will potentially pay hundreds of millions in liability. The two guys on the commercials pitching the plan should put all their assets on the line if it goes bad and loses everything, including their home and wife and dog. No bankruptcy protection if they feel it is such a great idea.

You know what I'm kind of curious about is, is there anybody who's listening that actually supports the plan? Is there anybody listening that actually supports it? Because I'm always hearing from naysayers, I have my doubts, but I'll be the first. to tell you, I don't think it is the absolute worst idea that I've ever seen coming from. I think one of my concerns has been that they're

just a little opaque on how the ball stadium gets financed because it's a completely separate thing. And it's almost like one of these things that we're being told right now, the way I'm seeing the way it's been promoted, is kind of like, okay, give us the ability to raise the hotel

motel tax and then okay we'll work out the plan with you later but we'll tell you but we'll be promised we're not going to raise your utility fees or your property taxes and you know that's kind of how they're doing it and could be absolutely right about it and and i hope they are but it would certainly be nice to have nice things well okay i also have to be honest another concern i've had is that they're always going for the conference center but the conference center and convention industry has been in decline for a while, and it's been hurt. Well, of course, it could come back.

It could come back. But we'll see. We'll just see about it. Like I said, it looks like it could be beautiful. The ball stadium is probably the one that I have the biggest problem with because I think it would be better in South Medford, just put it over by the other ball fields that we have right now. But they're trying to make this into one big, shiny object to grab people,

you know, to come into downtown Medford. downtown metford by the way did uh did come out of a couple of weeks ago i think the city council ended up saying oh we're going to increase the amount of parking time available on the street before you have to get that stupid app and do the pay by the plate kind of thing and yeah um so we'll increase the parking time so maybe even in the climate friendly equitable community era when the state ends up saying you will have the little habit trails in downtown metford walkable neighborhoods with no need from cars or any transportation. Join the Borg, you know, that kind of thing.

So even then, the city of Medford realizes, no, people need to be able to park their cars. All right. But we'll see. We'll just see. But if there's anybody, if you support it, let me know, okay? All right. John writes me, Bill, riot control, he says, as a very old curmudgeon, I remember the old days when riot control included water cannons. They were used to give the rioters a less than lethal deterrent and possibly much-needed shower.

Any idea why they're not being used now? Well, it could be, John, that the controlling authorities in Portland, Oregon like what they're doing. That could be part of it. But anyway, he continues using the National Guard as an excellent action. I was unfortunately part of the Guard response during the Watts riots. And while we were effective in assisting the police, I was very unhappy. about how we treat the Americans. John, I appreciate the two-sided look at a bit of that, all right?

Butch writes me on the downtown deal. Bill, I keep hearing ads about how the proposed development in the worst possible location will be free. As I've mentioned before, we won't be using a Medford venue. Taxing hotels to build competition is insane. You know something, Butch? I hadn't even considered that. Yeah, you are taxing existing hotels to help them build a competition. Well, you know, I guess the whole idea is that it's kind of a rainmaking project,

you know, a rainmaking project to have a bigger draw over all and the other smaller hotels and motels would end up benefiting from the spillover. I guess that must be doing it. But he concludes that we need a ball club like we need more bombs. and Jeff Golden must be up for re-election. He actually opposed Tina Kotech on something. Nary a word from Marsh. Okay.

Actually, we don't know if Jeff Golden's going to be running for re-election or not. He has until, I believe, early in January at some point to make that decision. But the one thing we do know is that Brad Hicks will be running against him. I think he's going to coast to the Republican nomination, and he has the connections and, frankly, good guy. And I think he's the type of Republican that might be able to. who win in a more liberal area. And that's certainly the district that Golden has been successful in these days. Okay?

It'd be nice to change that, wouldn't it? 634 at KMEDE. The rest of the news coming up here, and then we're talking stupid cities that still crush religious expression. Amazing stuff. It's not all about you when it comes to your well-water quality. Signed up. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED.

You would think that after all these years of lawsuits in constitutional studies and smackdowns from the Supreme Court, you would think that cities would have figured out by this time that if something is religious, that doesn't mean it has to be kicked out of everything. In fact, it's not supposed to be kicked out of anything, period. You know, really. And I wanted to talk about this latest wrinkle

developing in a state that I used to live in a number of years ago. We have senior counsel from First Liberty Institute, and that is Nate Kellam. Hello, Nate. Welcome to the show. Morning. Good morning, Bill. It's great to be with you.

You bet. Tell us a little bit about what First Liberty is all about. Of course, first liberty being First Amendment, no doubt. But tell me what you're working and how's it going so far. Yeah, First Liberty, as you mentioned, Bill, it refers to the First Amendment. And specifically, it refers to the first clause in the First Amendment relating to our right to exercise our religion, to be able to express our religion. And so that's what we try to help and try to defend. And as you mentioned, it's something that really we have tried to educate and try to litigate for a number of years, as has some others.

But this lesson has been hard for a lot of cities to learn, and that includes this Patascula, Ohio, where we've had an issue with our client, Susan Connolly. Okay, yeah, Patasca, Ohio is over in the Columbus area. I grew up on the northern side of Ohio. Maybe it was more sensible there. But what did they do to Susan Conley, the city fathers there? What do they do? Interesting. Well, it's extraordinary.

But basically, Susan has helped run a farmer's market for a number of years. It's been very successful where you basically have crafts and art and food. and this sort of thing that you see at a typical farmer's market. And this year she wanted to do a Christian-themed farmer's market on December 12th. And part of this is she wanted to have a live nativity theme, not something overly large, about 10 by 10 feet. And what the city said is that the farmer's market is fine. You can even do something that you want to label as a Christian or Christmas-rather-themed farmer's market. that's fine, but you cannot have a nativity thing because that is just simply too religious.

Two, okay, two religious. All right, it is two religious now. Now, is this farmer market, is this something that she leases property from the city in order to do the holiday theme farmers market, or is it just like a public square that anybody can come and set up a farmer's market or a bazaar or whatever? How is it actually structured? Yeah, I'd say it's more like the former, where it's a, it's a, in this area, it includes an area called the Veterans Green and also some nearby public ways and sidewalks.

And for, yeah, what the city does is it basically allows this area to be used for the public for events. And this is something that she has consistently used for the farmer's market. And so, and that really seems to be the basis of the city's objection here is that, well, you can have a nativity scene on private property, but we're not going to let you have it on public property. Okay. In other words, if she had something technically, well, the typically stupid holiday secular deal

in which it's Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, Santa Claus, Ho Ho, Ho, and Frosty the Snowman, that would have passed muster with this town of Patascula, Ohio, right? No question. And I think the Grinch would be able to get by as well. Oh, sure, the Grinch, yeah. Yeah, a very famous religious figure, by the way, the Grinch, no doubt. But not the nativity thing. Not something that really centralizes on the focal message of Christmas.

So this was going to be a live nativity scene, so we're talking about some animals. Did the city raise up there and say, hey, we don't want any sheep or goats or anything else that might have been around there to make it an authentic. You know, Bill, that would have made a lot more sense, right? If they would have said, hey, listen, we're not sure about having chiefs or goats or anything of that on our public property. But by all accounts, no, if she would have just said, hey, we want to just have like a petting zoo, that would have been fine. The problem is when you try to try those things. Yeah, a petting zoo passes if you put some religious significance to the petting zoo, then there's a problem. You've got to get rid of it, right?

Exactly. Exactly. All right. So what is the, where's the legal rationale, or how are you attacking this case? What is First Liberty doing in this particular bit of nonsense from this city? Well, we sent a letter to them, and we're asking that they grant the permit request that Susan had submitted so that she can go forward with the farmer's market with a nativity scene, and we're giving them actually till today to hopefully give us a positive response. And if they don't, we'll need to file a lawsuit and get preliminary injunctive relief in federal court because this policy that bars religion and really isolates religion for censorship, it violates her right to exercise religion and also her right to pre-speech. Do you know if Pataskola, Ohio, has done anything to accommodate other religious liberty sort of situations? like if somebody wanted to celebrate a Muslim holiday, let's say, or if we have a different

face that would come and want to do something, and then they end up putting up, you know, the flags or, well, it's kind of like how a lot of the secular governments do. Hey, it's Pride Month, you know, and the flags fly from government property, et cetera, et cetera. They tend to pick and choose which viewpoints they like to endorse, I guess, Nate. That's what I'm getting at. Well, I think that's right, Bill. And I think that's problematic here where you really do have a permitting process, which really has very little guidelines or factors as far as what you're put in. So what you have is allows for these type of biases decisions. And I think that's what we have here. But actually, the city has come out with really a fairly firm policy where if it's anything religious. So I do think they probably would extend it to other religions, or at least ostensibly they would. But what has come up here, and really the only issue that they've addressed has been this nativity thing. That's really interesting. So anything

involved, in other words, the city is just hostile to the First Amendment, in essence, is really what you're going after here, right? That's exactly right. All right, because it's not separation of church from state, which there's never supposed to be any, we can't see this, can't see it, can't hear it and all the rest. So, all right, I guess we'll have to find out. Are there any similar cases, though, that you can point to is say, hey, listen, in blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, versus this and blah, blah, blah, blah, over this in this city or county or state or whatever it is. Is there anything to hang your head on, you think, legally? Yeah, so much so I think we don't have enough hats really to cover it.

Because the Supreme Court has really spoken in this many, many times over that you really can't treat religious expression like second-class expression. That just because something is religious, that is not a sufficient basis for censoring it. There has long been this mantra about separation of church and state, which was never really a concept in the first place. And then it's just grown and grown and ballooned. such that a lot of cities, city officials, administrators have like an allergic reaction anytime something a religious pops up. And so I'm afraid that's what we have here. And so that's why we have to go really stay by state, city by city, to teach this lesson.

Now, can you still apply a time and place kind of limitation on certain types of religious expression? Like, let's say, you know, someone's out there wanting to preach the gospel at the top of their lungs, you know, yelling at, you know, four in the morning. Can you do something about that, but that not run afoul then of the First Amendment? Yeah, yeah, Bill, and that's a great distinction to bring up. If someone is using an amplifier and they're being very loud at 4 o'clock in the morning right in front of some residences and it's keeping people up, That's a very legitimate restriction, but it wouldn't be legitimate because they're saying something religious. So it has to be more objective. It has to be like volume level, so the volume level is just too high for a particular area.

And also, it's not like someone can just decide, like Susan, for instance, she can't decide to have a nativity scene inside a city building because she wants to do that. She's trying to use a space that other groups, other citizens, and Pataskola have been able to use for event, and her event happens to be, or at least this small part of it, happens to be religious. And so that's where the city really runs afoul of the Constitution here is when they single out religion for banishment. Yeah, the reason to say no. And there's a rich history, I would imagine, in this town, isn't there? of, you know, accommodating this? And is this only maybe a recent development?

I'm just wondering how long it's been since the Patasca has been hostile to this kind of stuff. Well, it's something that has percolated over a number of years. Susan, along with the Lions Club, had a nativity scene, but that's when it first came out, that no, we don't really want a nativity scene on public property. If you're going to do it, you need to do it on private property. And so for that particular event, they've tried to use like a church, even used like some grounds of a funeral home that were people are able to do it. But for this, she thought for this particular event, she wanted to make it more accessible to people. She wanted it to be really front and center because it's Christian, rather Christmas themed.

And so she thought it was very important to have the nativity scene in a place that could be seen. Yeah, prominent, yeah, prominent then. And it's only a good thing. I really hope that you're successful. I have a feeling you probably will be. The city manager will sit there and go, oh, boy, okay, I kind of stepped in it at this time, didn't I? Yeah, yeah, you really did. That's what.

Well, that happens sometimes when lawyers take a look at the case law and realize that they really don't have a viable basis for their position. And so that's certainly the hope here. We hope that it does work out and that Susan's able to go forward. with the permit. But if not, Bill, yeah, we'll bring it to the federal court and see what the judge has to say. You know, you've given me an idea here. I'm just thinking my head, my head is acting weirdly this morning, Nate, and so bear with me. You're no doubt aware of the immense trouble that's been happening out in the city of Portland, north of us, way north of us on the

other side of the state, with the ICE occupation, you know, the siege that Antifa and other groups have done against them. Are you familiar with that? Have you heard about it where you are? I have heard reports, and that's a shame because I've been, Portland has a rich history, but it is a city that I think, yeah, has seen a better time. Well, what you're giving me the idea for is that I imagine having by the ice facilities a huge, let's say, well, nativity scene like what Susan Connolly's talking about with animals and everything else, because it would seem to me that the communist and the Antifa types, it would be like, you know, hollow water on the vampire. They were like explode in flames. And maybe they just, you know, go away.

Oh, I can't just run away in terror. Oh, my goodness. There's some Christianity and some religion in front of me. All right. Well, a felican dream here. How can we find out more about this case, Nate? What is First Liberty Institute's website? We'll get you going, huh? Yeah. Yeah, well, thanks for asking, Bill. It's firstliberty.org, and we have information about this case and a lot of other things that we're working on, really all over the country. And so definitely would appreciate people checking us out. And I guess you could probably use some donations, I would imagine, too, to pay the lawyers, right? That's right. That's the only way we can keep the lights on and do this is by really the generous

support of folks who are interested in bringing religious liberty back to our country. Nothing wrong with that. You've got to be able to, well, you've got to be able to work the system. When it's a breaking of the law, you have to get into the courts, and it takes money to do that. I appreciate your work there at First Liberty Institute. Nate Kellam, senior counsel there, and keep us in the room on this Ohio story, okay? Appreciate the call. Thank you. Yeah, we'll keep you updated, Bill. Thank you very much, Nate. Nate Callum, rather, pardon me.

It is 653 at KMED. Medford. This is our moment. Vote yes on Measure 15-2. Hi, I'm Nick Card and I'm Kevin Stein. Measure 15-238 will help fund Creekside Quarter. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. Happy to take your calls. Always fun on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Terry is on the road. Terry, we'll get to you first. How you doing? What's up? I'm doing good, Bill. Good morning. Morning. Hey, you know, with the last guest, it's so much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. And, you know, a little civil disobedience, I think, goes a long way. It'll expose these guys who's really trying to push this in the city there.

And that's what the liberals do. That's what the wacko liberals do. They do it, and then they get in trouble. So I think we need to do a lot more of that. You know, that's a very interesting point. So what Susan Conley, by the way, we were talking about this case in Patasgala, Ohio, in which they're saying that she can't do a live nativity scene at her farmer's market coming up in December. And so in other words, she shouldn't have said anything to the city than you're saying,

and then just do it and then say, okay. What are you going to do about it? Hey, have you ever heard about the First Amendment? You know, that kind of thing, right? Right. It's not going to be criminal, obviously. If she gets in trouble, what's it going to be a little fine or something? Yeah, just do it.

I mean, we ask for permission way too much. That's a very interesting point. So a little bit of positive. Okay, yeah, in other words, Susan, get-upity with the city, right? Yeah, what are you going to do? A little bit of that could go a long way. That's good. Hey, but Dave, good to have you here.

It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. you thinking, huh? Morning. Hello, Dave? You there, Bill? Yeah, yeah, I am. Go ahead. Yeah. So I was going to say, all these cities advocate for homeless people, but yet, you know, when Jesus was alive, you know, they had to go to Bethlehem because of the census. That's right. But they didn't live there, and there was no rooms in the hotels and motels. so they went to a manger. Well, wouldn't that make them homeless? Well, hey, you know, you give another idea.

Maybe what you do is that you set up the, well, you know what all these cities are like there, especially probably in the southern part of Ohio, which is relatively liberal, which is where Patascula is by Columbus. Maybe what you do, you set it up as a, this is a historical homeless. facility, right? You set it up that way with the animals and Jesus and Mary and Joseph, you know, that kind of thing, right? Right. And the three wise men? Uh-huh, exactly. Of course, I don't know. Maybe in South Ohio, you'd have trouble coming up

with three wise men, but... Well, you know, hey, Bill, on that CB unit, I've sent you my brother's phone number. He'll meet up with you to get that. All right, yeah. Miter Day was one of the first people that won those CB radios that we were give it away here that I had put together little kits here. So I'll give it to him and then he'll get it over to you, okay? Yeah, that's great. All right. Thanks, Dave. I'm going to help him out with a little bit of emergency communication. Vicki's in the Applegate. Vicky, you're getting ready for a different holiday, though, and that is tomorrow's Halloween. You go all in on this, right?

Well, actually, this year we're having it on the first because the church is doing a harvest festival here in Roche. So, yeah, we do it every year at the hardware store in Roosh, and it's all the, yeah, that's yeah, Roach Hardware, nice place. I like the people there. I like their popcorn machine, too, when you can go in. Oh, I know. It just makes you, like, want a movie, and they have movies there actually that you can

pick. Yeah, well, I think is when I picked up some stuff there to go to transmitter sites, like up in Jacksonville Hill, I would go there now and then, and, oh, yeah, it's just, you've fill up on about five bags of popcorn before it go. But anyway, what are you doing with Trunk and Tree? What's going on there, huh? Well, I've done it for, I've only missed two out of the last, like, seven years. And I am a crafter, so I go, like, cuckoo crazy with details and themes.

And this year, I'm really excited about the one I'm doing. I'm not given any, like, hints or anything, but it should be really fun. But what I wanted to comment on is, you know, and Jack, and build, they have the Chinese New Year. Now, I don't know what religion Chinese people are, my bad. But we don't seem to have an issue with, you know, the dragons coming down the main drag and all the lanterns, and it basically turns into little China. And I don't have a problem with that.

It's beautiful. I love the... But I think what you're implying then is that if you were to do a Christian theme, big, big to-do- it would not be as welcome in the city? Is that what you're implying? Well, I think they do do, they did, I don't know if they still do it, but they did do a Christmas parade with Santa, you know, coming down the road. But you see, Santa's not Christmas, you know?

Right. That's why I become so irritated about over the year. You know, Santa, ho, ho, ho, you know, 50 different versions on all the music services and radio, about 50, you know, 500 versions of Frosty the Snowman, and, you know, that kind of stuff. It's all the secular stuff that they tend to push more than anything else. And to me, it's not real Christmas stuff. But, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm looking too much of this. I'm just, you know, I think in Ohio, it's, they have tried so hard to keep religion and our religion, Christians at bay, and they don't want to celebrating our Lord and our beliefs. But yet what I'm saying is that they are allowing other... Yeah, well, inclusion means that... Inclusion means everything but Christians, and especially white Christians, okay? That's what inclusion means.

Everything gets celebrated except Christians and white, and especially white Christians. White Christians are the worst Christians of all, I think, in the current situation out here in Oregon. Yeah, and you look at the history, and our history was built on Christianity. Christianity was the West, though. Well, I mentioned this yesterday, though. I don't know if you heard me talk about a little bit about this yesterday.

One of the challenges that I think we're facing right now is that in many ways we're living in the debris of what used to be Western Christendom, okay? We're kind of living in the debris of it right now, and what has replaced the vacuum of what used to be a relatively muscular Christianity in this world, especially in the West, what has replaced it has been the, well, Santa, Ho, Ho, Ho, Frosty, the Snowman, and, of course, celebration of everybody else's religious liberty except for the Christians themselves that actually formed Western civilization. Well, it's pure evil out there. And the last thing they want is for you to have faith in a God that has given us everything that we need, and they are in charges of everything we need. You know what I mean? It's like they have such a tight reign on every aspect of our lives, and now they're

trying to take our faith, too. Don't let them. Thanks for the call. I appreciate that. 7705-633. This is KMED and KMED HD-1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grantsman. one more call. We'll have a Fox News coming up. And then we have a conspiracy theory Thursday outdoor report. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hey, Bill. Good morning. It's deplorable Patrick.

Hi, Patrick. And conspiracy theory Thursday, I've got to talk fast here. One of the things that we're facing is these gutless, spineless, stupid pastors who won't tell their people, hey, Halloween is pagan and satanic, and we need to reject it. So people think, well, let's go along with the crowd and just celebrate everything. It's a satanic observance. That's what it is. It's not Christian. Now, I'm doing the job of the pastors by telling people that.

Well, gosh, you're not a lot of fun at the Halloween party, are you? Yeah, I'm not going. But it is conspiracy theory thirsty, and I wish the pastor to stand up and tell their people to reject paganism, but they won't. Maybe if they thought that they were going to reject paganism that they would lose their you know, 501C3, you know, non-profit status. I don't know.

Maybe that's what does it. I don't know. Yeah, they're playing the odds and they don't want people to walk out of the church. They want to keep everybody there. So they tell the people what they want to hear and what they expect to hear, not what they need to hear. Oh, them prosperity preachers, right? That's right.

and I'm trying to maintain my status as deplorable. All right. Thank you, Patrick. And you are still deemed deplorable, and thank you for the call, all right? We'll catch up on the rest of the news. Conspiracy Theory Thursday Outdoor Report with Greg Roberts coming up. Stephen Westfall Roofing is growing. Now proudly serving Brookings, Gold Beach, and the entire southern Oregon coast.

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