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Episode Date: October 30, 2025

Greg Roberts from Rogue Weather Dot Com - good talk on changes in public land access, will actually help hunters in a way. Open phone calls, what happens when SNAP benefits stop Saturday?

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausorrilling.com. And we have the outdoor report on a Thursday conspiracy theory Thursday version of it, and it is sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive and Mestford, rather. Mester Outdoors is here. Greg Roberts from rogueweather.com. And boy, we had a big conspiracy theory story about land access,

And then the deeper we get into it, I guess, Mr. Outdoors, it's maybe not as bad as we first thought. It might be actually helpful, I guess, right? Yeah, actually, it's kind of going to be a surprise to a lot of people. Because you called me up yesterday with stories of, hey, boy, this is looking really bad, and people are becoming unhinged over it. But tell me more, okay? Well, it's also going to prove that, you know, the majority of people, even with the advent of things like Onyx, truly do not know and understand the access on BLM roads that roll through private timberland.

And, you know, sadly down here are private timberlands that, you know, are adjacent to BLM or have BLM roads go through them, have become subjected to horrific illegal dumping, unbelievable. vandalism, destruction of private property. You know, people start going out, cutting down trees, doing whatever they want to do, believing they're on BLM land just because they went in on a BLM road, and they're not. So, earlier this year, it was announced that Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Oregon Department of Forestry, too, acting as a facilitator, had reached an agreement with four key landowners down here in Jackson County.

on a new system called the Jackson Travel Management Area. And right now, Jackson Travel Management Area only encompasses certain areas near Butte Falls, Shady Cove, and especially above Lost Creek Reservoir. It will be most commonly encountered on areas off the A and B roads, but there are other roads that will see this come into play. As we were out and about hunting, you know, we've been bumping into this and seeing green dots. Well, I got to admit, I knew there'd been some sort of thing. I didn't really understand what it meant, and we're seeing a green dot system.

And when you say you're seeing a green dot system, well, Greg, when you're saying you're seeing a green dot system, where are you seeing green dots? Do they put them up on markers of some sort? Yeah, on the road markers. Oh, okay. You will see green dots. And this has been going on for decades over on the Rogue River, Susque National Forest, east of the Prospect Butte Falls Highway. Every elk hunter is used to it because they've been doing this during elk season, like I said, for decades.

So when I start seeing green dots on BLM roads or roads that are marked. is BLM roads, but are actually, in fact, private timberland roads to access parcels of private timberland that everybody thinks are BLM roads because they have what looks like BLM road designators to them because of the way they're named, which usually is, in part, the range and township section that the road is running through. So you get the 3E dash 24-29 type thing. Okay. And everybody will look at that and think, oh, that's a BLM road. So is that the kind of stuff like when I go to...

If you have a Timberland Road. Okay. That comes off a BLM Road. All right. So when I see that on maps even then, like Granite Hill Road in Josephine County that goes to a transmitter site, Gilbert Peak, that I would go to, and I'm looking at this 13 dash 25-29 you know that those are BLM designations then right it's BLM designations but in the case you're talking about there specifically because it goes to a transmitter site that's actually a closed private road oh anybody else but you going up it would be subject to press trespass here comes the big stunning news what on the surface originally to us meaning my hunting

crew looked like roads being closed. The reality is we've been trespassing for years on roads that were actually closed. Oh. But you have timber landowners who don't have the resources. They also don't want to take the PR black eye of gating off and closing their lands. There are two main timber landowners down here who will do that, Murphy and Chinook. And they put signage up, and they've got gates all over their property. You are not allowed on their property. 24-7-365, fire season doesn't matter. There are a number of other private timber land owners.

The biggest one, Lone Rock. The reality is everybody knows in fire season private timberlands are closed to all access. The reality is that actually extended year-round, and the majority of people, including Mr. Outdoors, did not know that. That changed significantly, as I am now doing some research on it, in the 1990s and early 2000s. So for decades, people have been committing trespass on private timberlands that were actually closed that they got a away with because there just wasn't the enforcement mechanism. Yeah, yeah, there's nobody out there from the timber companies out there patrolling it. And I don't know, maybe it's getting a little bit easier now when you have trail cams and maybe remote cameras, things like that. Are they starting

to work that a little more? Yeah, it's definitely that part is true. The other side of, and, you know, haven't worked with ODF and W on the Jackson County Wolf Committee, they put trail cams out for that purpose, too, to see where wolves are, keep track of them, people report seeing wolves, they'll go out and put game cams up, see if they can catch images of the wolves, and a lot of time the cameras grow two legs and walk away. So what do we need to know then about this? What do we need to know then people who are hunting out there and going out in these lands that they probably thought maybe they were, that they were, you know, BLM lands, but they were actually

private timber, and they've been hunting on them all these years, maybe, illegally, I guess, from the sounds of it. What does the green, what is this green dot travel plan, Jackson travel plan, going to do now? What do they need to know since we're in these hunting seasons? It now officially allows the kind of trespass people have thought they've had for decades because what the state of Oregon did through the public access, through a program to improve public access. The end result of this is the Jackson Travel Management Area because these private timber landowners have now been compensated to allow the public to have access to their land

officially and without threat. Oh. Okay. What kind of compensation were they given, do you know? It doesn't exactly specify. It just says they do definitely get compensated to allow people this increases legal access to areas that people honestly down here have been hunting decades, but they now legally have the right to access those lands. And this is an agreement that started this year. This was created on June 13th of this year, and it's going to go through 2028 on the current agreement, and then we'll look at probably seeing it extended.

But I'm telling you this, now that I really understand what this, program is and what it's doing, where it's really going to appear, and I'm waiting for this, is over in the Applegate, because the Applegate has an even higher percentage of private timberlands. These are officially the OnC Timberlands that BLM helps administer, but these are the ONC lands over there. The illegal dumping and the vandalism is off the charts. It is way worse out in the Applegate, and especially that portion in Josephine County. You were talking about Josephine County's Republican Party leader being recalled. Well, Josephine County, I don't know what's in the air over there.

It's constant chaos. It's constant something. And unfortunately, their rate of illegal dumping and vandalism is even worse than Jackson County. Oh, yeah. It's pretty bad. You know, you go up, even on the border, you go up Fielder Mountain Road. You see a lot of dumping still. Granite Creek Road. You start getting up in those areas. And it's kind of like, okay, well, here's the Kia. When I see the burned-out shell of a Kia, I know that I have maybe about a half a mile before I get to the transmitter site. You know, that kind of thing. There's a lot of that going on. So I would suspect that you're going to pretty soon down the road, especially as this is proven to be successful, you will see the same thing hit over in the Applegate and to include portions of Josephine County and the Applegate. Who knows, they may expand it even further in Josephine County. But at least the landowners now are getting some sort of compensation.

where they haven't been getting any before, and there now is better definition for the public of exactly what roads they can be on. There are printed maps at multiple entry points into the Jackson Travel Management area. There are also big road signs up. You can take a QR code. You can get a printed out map. There's no excuse for anybody not to know exactly what's going on here. They do a good job of explaining it.

when I saw the closure date, and we're in it now, it starts October 15th and goes through April 30th. The first thing I was thinking, and I told you this when we were talking about this in our phone call yesterday, they were doing this to protect winter range for blacktailed deer and for elk. And yes, they do say that is one of the goals they're trying to achieve in this program because I saw what was closed and you weren't supposed to be driving into and I went, wow, that takes away a big chunk of prime, late season blacktailed deer hunting area. And, of course, especially this year with the elk already being on winter range, it's going to make it even tougher on elk hunting.

And yeah, they want to try and protect some of these more beneficial areas for wintering deer and Elk, and that's why the closure goes out through April 30th. So, you know, again, this is a case of people really need to be aware of this. You need to get online. They definitely have a big news release up that gives details about this. Ryan Bartleson was great about communicating this and stating, here's the actual reasons why we're doing this. The reality is, well, people may. think we're locking up land, we actually opened up land that they never should have been

on in the first place. That they always thought was open. That was, that's really interesting. I'm kind of curious, Greg Roberts once again with me, rogueweather.com. Greg, do you think we're going to get to the point, though, where because of the massive illegal dumping that is going on here in southern Oregon, and you just see it everywhere you go. Once you get onto any kind of public land or even lands adjacent to public land, there, this is probably going to drive some kind of monitoring in and out over time, don't you think? I don't know how they can get away from this. And, of course, technology is going to make that easier and easier.

You know, like I said, some of that technology can grow two legs and disappear pretty easily. But in the world we have now with drones, with siding other, how shall we say surveillance equipment, higher up on trees, where they're not immediately obvious. Yeah, you could see this then where, you know, some guy has the truck and is towing in an old derelict trailer and then the derelict and then leaves the forest without the derelict trailer, and the derelict trailer is found burnt, you know. Exactly.

And, you know, honestly, that's probably going to wind up happening even on the true BLM parcels and the Forest Service land parcels because Rogue River Sisku National Forest over in Josephine County really suffers from a lot of the same issues. The private timberland and the BLM lands in Josephine County, see, they see it too. Jackson County, it's not nearly the issue on the Rogue River Sisku National Forest that we're seeing on the lower elevation, private and BLM timberlands, especially those closest to towns. more specifically, Prospect, Shady Coven, Butte Falls. All right, very good.

Where do people go to actually find these maps, again, just so, you know, kind of an action plan, so people listening, they want to go hunting out in a certain area, I want to make sure they're doing the right thing. You go to my ODF&W.com, if you want to get a jump on this ahead of time, go to the new sections, look up Jackson Travel Management Area. It'll pop right up. I pulled it up myself ahead of coming on here. and when you go up the A, the B roads, other key access roads that get you into the Jackson

Travel Management area, there are definitely big signs posted right along the road. It has a QR code that you can do, or they have printed maps right there that you can pull. So our hunting party, especially on Sunday, we finally stopped at one of those, used the QR code, grabbed one of the maps because we were definitely going, okay, which roads can we be on? We were getting a better sense of what the green dot meant, but also figuring out which roads would absolutely be closed that, you know, we've always trespassed on before, but it's even more so now, and we have three major roads that are pretty critical to us for late deer hunting and then now this year with the elk already being on winter range. We had three roads that

were going to be critical to us that we found out are actually closed now, and we're committing trespass. So now that we got that all figured out, we actually, we went in our on-x mapping system, and you can add notes on OnX. OnX is going to show you who owns what. You've got to get onyx, especially if you're a hunter, because it will identify if you're on private Timberland. Yeah, it'll let you know where you can when you shouldn't be going on. So on X is that a phone app? Line that up with the Jackson Travel Management, the participating landowners.

Then you get a better sense. However, OnX is not foolproof, and there's. is a weakness here. They will show these roads, but they don't show the open and closed status of the roads. You've still got to figure that out using the Jackson Travel Management Area map, and I will say this. Most people would never believe it, but ODF and W did do a really good job of working out the maps, and so you can then transport the information over to on X, and you're going to have to turn it in yourself, but it'll be worth it. All right.

Well, I'll tell you, Greg, for once, though, for once, let's give them a salute, okay? Yeah. Isn't it great? Because in the reality, I know there's a lot of people who are P-Oed right now listening to me say this, but on the other hand, this is one of the times where ODF and W actually really, truly did do something great for hunters in Oregon. Good. They did.

All right, glad to hear it. Hey, Greg. What they did at all. Greg, I'm about out of daylight here for the next couple of minutes, so we're going to have to wrap this up. Another quick tip you wanted to say, though, is sight your rifle, right? Oh, oh, thanks. Tell me your experience, but you've got to tell me that story again. Okay.

So, you know, we went through some really tough times here with rogue weather. I mean, we suffered like a lot of businesses. As other businesses suffer, we suffer because they have less money to throw around on advertising or sponsorships. And we'd really felt that. So my trustee, number one, only really big game rifle, we had to put it into Hawk when we desperately needed to buy groceries. So it had been in Hawk, meaning at a pawn shop for as collateral for a lunch. and when I finally got it back, we were already into hunting season. When I put that gun in Hawk earlier this year, it was dead on.

So last Sunday, and no, I did not double check it once I got it back in my hand. I just assumed, so you already know what that sets me up. I can see where this is going. On the Sunday, 2 o'clock in the afternoon, all of a sudden I've got a buck standing broadside at me at less than 100 yards, and he's just looking at me, and I get myself collected, and I'm nice and calm, and everything's great, and I put the crosshairs right where I wanted them, pull the trigger, that buck jumps, takes off, and I thought there's no way I could miss at that range. Well, an hour of hard-searching where he went revealed no buck, no blood, no nothing. Uh-huh. Then the discussion becomes, I think you had a miss, and I'm like, impossible. 100 yards.

100 yards. No way I'm missing it 100 yards, right? Well, we did officially go and test fire the gun last night, making sure I didn't make that mistake again. it was horrifically off. Someone must have banged the scope when it was sitting there in hot, right? Yeah, and I mean, unfortunately for me, it's a super cheap TASCO out of the 70s, which, okay, maybe in the 70s, TASCO was a good name. They're not anymore.

There's way better optics out there. I definitely am upgrading the scope on this gun for next season, but it is what it is for right now. Well, and at least the end result of yesterday's shooting session is it's accurate enough. We're probably still going to get back out on Friday and see if we can improve that. But at least I know right now, if I had the same situation again, I would have a deer on the ground and have my tag filled. But we're looking to get it even better, and we think we can. So it just means another fun shooting session on Friday afternoon.

Well, it's good to know that even Mr. Outdoors can have some. challenges in the outdoors, all right? Rogueweather.com. Can you ever? And that's the other thing I would tell people, never assume your firearm, regardless of what it is, never assume it's on or it's accurate. You do need to be checking them always. I was certain it is.

I was thinking about how I've had an AR in the gun safe that I haven't shot for a while, and I would say, oh, yeah, I zeroed that in. Yeah, five years ago, so I better go take a look. All right. Mr. Outdoors Outdoors Report, sponsored by Oregon, Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. Of course, Greg's over at Rogue Weather.com. Get your buck this weekend, okay? We'll talk next week.

Well, we're now very favorable. Anybody's still holding a deer tag because I am now seeing game cam pictures and videos. I'm seeing pictures and videos from people in town. and in the immediate area, the rut is kicking in. I mean, bucks are showing themselves in broad daylight now. That time when they're going looking for love definitely increases your odds for a hunter. And those bright sunny days that used to be the kiss of death for hunting for deer, when the rut kicks in, you want to be hunting any time as much as you possibly can

because it's that time for the deer, and that really improves things for hunters. Yep, it's a beautiful thing for the hunters. Thanks, Greg. We'll talk next week. All right. Be well. You got it, Bill. Enjoy the coast. I certainly will. It's 734, KMED. Two dogs fabricating has a great selection of work on today. This is the Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. Call Bill now. 541-770-5633. That's 770 KMED.

All right. We'll just hit him in. order here. Scott from Eagle Point. Quick one on Greg's talk about the traveling on the roads, the travel plan. Go ahead. Right. Hey, if you're still out there hunting, or if you're just out there hunting with a camera taking pictures, up above Blas Creek is where the A&B roads are. If you're not familiar and you do decide to drive them, they look really good. But be super aware when you are hunting out there is, you know, be done with your business out there.

and clean up. You know, there are apex creatures out there that both me and Greg are well aware of. We've had sightings, and that is a hot area. You'll see signs out there. So be super careful, be super aware. Don't leave a big mess. Don't leave the guts and everything out there. Well, just clean up and get on your way.

It's a good suggestion. Hey, Scott, I appreciate that. Thank you for the call on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hey, Bill, this is John in Josephine County.

Hey, John, what's going on? Good. I am the parliamentarian for the Republican Party, and it sounds like you need the other side of the story. Okay. I just got some text messages that said that he was recalled last night. Yeah. There's a group of dissatisfied Republicans that were dissatisfied with the election where Joseph was elected as the party. chair, so they immediately initiated a recall. The problem is that they didn't follow our bylaws. They have still never submitted the names and the petition of the people that signed it to recall him. They then scheduled a meeting to recall him last night where Joseph isn't even in town to defend himself. And the executive committee sent out an email telling all of the

PCPs that it wasn't a recognized meeting, so none of them showed up. Okay, so this is, uh, right. So we have, uh, all right, that's really interesting. This is really interesting. This is why I even talked about this because it just looks like a sticky quagmire to me, but, uh, I'm just staying away from it as far as I'm concerned, okay? Uh, you guys figure it out, get back to me, okay? How about that?

We can know how to Joseph reach out to you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Okay. Let's see. I'll just let that go. I'll let me go to Matt. Hello, Matt. How are you? Good to have you on. Good, Bill. So what is required for socialism to exist? A lot of rich people that are okay with being bled to death. How about that? I think you're 100% correct. How does it fund all of its free stuff if you don't have capitalism, creating the revenues that you can tax.

How can it happen? Yeah, which seems to go a long way of explaining why everything after all these years of capitalism starts decaying into socialism. It does, and there's that melding. You know, it's kind of funny. A lot of people say that the opposite of capitalism is socialism. Well, we don't really have capitalism. what we have is government capitalism.

And so when people complain about capitalism being a failure, what they're really annoyed with is the merger between capitalism and governmentism. That's a very important point in distinction that you have made, Matt. I want to make sure that people pay attention to you because I have to tell you, I know this is great if you buy stocks and interest in various companies that even the Trump administration, you know, that Washington, D.C. has bought interest or taken equity positions in various businesses. That's not really capitalism as we knew it, is it? No. And, you know, I called a few weeks ago, and I was talking about what was going on with the elections in Argentina,

that what happens is when you go from extreme socialism like they had, and then you go to someone who considers himself a libertarian, I would say in current parlance, I would call him a conservative because he's poor small government. But it takes a while for people to exercise that capital muscle because it's atrophied over decades and decades of socialism. And people find out, I've always said this. I've always had capitalism and it's necessarily hard.

it requires effort and when you find out you're saying oh yeah i want capitalism i don't want socialism yeah but the thing is though is that it punishes failure which uh socialism of course is like everybody's suffering the same kind of level of misery i guess in some ways that's right and that actually brings me to a point that kind of crossed my mind late last night do you think that if everyone's going to food banks over this snap issue, could it possibly be, I mean, I hope this thing gets resolved sooner rather than later. Me too. If that happened, if you have enough people who were in a food bank line, would it normalize it?

Would people who would normally feel shame for going to get food for their family at a food bank? It would do just about anything else besides that. Could this become, if the shutdown isn't resolved, could this become standard? operating procedure in America where people say, you know what? Maybe I don't need SNAP. Maybe what I knew is just, you know, once a week I need to go. I just overload access to the Josephine County Food Bank, et cetera, et cetera. We just go stand in line there.

Yeah. I think it, well, I think that that charity or force charity has already been somewhat normalized in our government benefit system, unfortunately. And we're not nearly the independent stock that I think. we once were many decades, you'd probably have to go back to Great Depression to really find that more of an independent feel prior to the Great Depression when we were more of a republic rather than a decaying democracy, I guess. I don't know.

Yeah, you're probably right about that. I guess the question that I would raise to you this morning, though, what do we do about the supermarkets? Because I had a listener who works at one of the supermarket chains that wrote me and said, hey, we've already been told that we're going to be cutting our workforce this weekend when SNAP ends, when the Oregon Trail card doesn't get refilled first of November, and that we are not, we're not going to have as much business because, you know, we're not going to have as many people coming in to buy food, and the people that are coming in, if they steal, if they

shoplift, we are to do nothing about it. And I'm thinking, you know, that's a major alarm bill that should be ringing here in southern Oregon for one thing, don't you think? Yeah. Look, I can't speak for every store, but I do know if you look at the first three or four days of the month, Walmart's parking lot is packed. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, you're parking all the way at the other end where people and campers normally park their trucks and their motorhomes. So there normally would be a rush at the first part of the month as people's cards get refunded or recharged. So I did have a suggestion.

I saw a commercial last night for Ray's Food Place. You know, they run all the, they run commercials. Sure. And I thought to myself, I kept seeing these videos, and I'm sure you saw them, too, where these people were saying, don't get, you know, don't get between me and my car with my buggy. Yeah. You know, once I get my buggy full, I'm out.

Yeah, I'm going to have Thanksgiving one way or the other, even if I have to steal it from shopping cart. That's what that one guy was kind of alluding to that I played last week. Well, I personally think what the grocery store should do is take all the shopping carts and put them in the warehouse and lock them up and just let people know that, hey, our shopping carts aren't available for the next couple of days we're servicing them, you know, because all the wheels rattle, you know, the one cart you want to grab. You know, that's an interesting idea. So no shopping carts because we're going to be having a, we're going to have people trying to take advantage of this doing a free-for-all. That's one suggestion. You know, let's make that a topic of conversation this morning, Matt.

Okay, what do we do to protect the supermarkets? Because if the supermarkets get screwed over, all it does is raise the prices for everybody who's legitimately paying for stuff. Yep. Okay. That's all it does. It's a low margin, it's a low margin, high cash flow kind of business. It's not a high profit margin there, okay? Yeah, why give somebody a dump truck to haul all your stuff out the front door?

Just put them in the warehouse and say, hey, we're servicing our car. and that way you can only steal what you can carry. Okay, so that's the suggestion for Matt this morning, folks. Matt says lock up the shopping carts when SNAP benefits go south and then they're already expecting a lot of theft starting if this ends up moving forward this weekend. So you gave me an idea. This is what we're going to talk about here for a little bit.

What would you do to protect the supermarkets? What should be done? I have some thoughts on that too. Matt, appreciate the call, okay? All right. Bill, take care. Okay, 7705633-770, KMED. Tell me what you think.

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It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. One of the questions in play here. Snap Benefits will likely be shut off Saturday. That means Oregon Trail Cards will not get reloaded, and people most likely have spent their October government contributions, and then it doesn't work. And the typical recipient gets a couple hundred bucks a month, usually, some more, some less. You know, that kind of thing depends on the family situation.

I know that Governor Kotech is putting in a $5 million, extra push into the food banks. That's kind of a drop in the bucket in the long range looking at this or in the big scale of looking at it. Matt suggests, though, I mean, I'm just worried about, you know, weirdness and dirt bagginess breaking out among a percentage of the people. Not everybody who's on Oregon Trailcarts going to be this way, but there will be some. And there have been a lot of people talking about this. What do we do about those supermarkets? Matt suggests locking up the carts.

So if you're going to start stealing, you're not going to be doing it with a dump truck to push around and put in all the meats and everything else. There are just certain people that will take a situation like this and use it as the excuse or we will take advantage of it. So that's one of the topics on my mind this morning. Let me go to Mark. Mark's on the road. Hey, Mark, what's on your mind and maybe a different pebble? Go ahead. Well, I've had Lyme disease since I was in high. high school. I just found this out recently. And I'm an O blood type, O positive. So the Red Cross

has been bugging me for my blood for 50 years, and I've been giving blood for 50 years. And when I found out I had Lyme disease, I contacted them, and I said, I actually went to the office and talked to the managers. And I said, how come you're not testing for Lyme disease since it's going across the country rampantly, and they just basically ignored me. They are not testing for Lyme disease. So that almost 50 years that I donated blood, I gave Lyme disease to how many people that really didn't need it? Wow. That is really interesting. Mark, I had no idea. And, well, do we know that you were, that you had a powerful enough case of it, though, that it would be transmitted through the blood donation system?

Yes, because I gave it to my wife. Oh. Okay. It's not, what they're not telling you, it's not just the tick. It's blood-borne, so it's also sexually transmitted. Oh, well, that makes sense. What are you hoping that the Red Cross will do? What are you hoping?

They need to test for it. If you have bloody Lyme disease, you can't give blood. All right. I appreciate the call. Thanks for that, Mark. I had no idea. That's a wild one, huh? Tom's here.

Hello, Tom. What's up? Wow, Bill, quite a bit of education on your show here today. Yeah, I didn't know that. You, Lyme disease? That's a wonderful one. They're also talking about it. You can get COVID, too, from blood transfusions and so forth.

So it's pretty risky, actually. That's not what you call for, probably. What are you thinking, huh? Well, okay. Matt was talking about the merger of governmentism and capitalism. And my question, Matt, in general, is how do you prevent real capitalism from devolving into fascism? Because that's what Matt was talking about, the merger of government and, you know, capitalism. And that's where the United States has been headed for a long time.

And when you hear various presidents, like President Trump recently, taking equity stakes in companies in which we own, as the United States is the United States government, becoming a partner then with an Intel or with an Nvidia or it's like, I think that they'll let invidia sell chips to Chinese communists as long as they give an equity stake. In other words, the percentage of the company ends up going to the United States, right? The actual government, that's a different way of looking at it, isn't it? Well, yeah, and so my question for that and other people is looking at what in the world has caused this merger of capitalism and government. Well, I'll tell you what it is. Part of it is the central bank. It is. And the other part, though, is the way that we run elections. And I see elections as a weak point in our system because it basically allows big money to buy up legislators,

buy up elections, and so forth. There has to be a way that people could actually find out how, which people are. supporting a certain candidate and look at it, but it's not readily accessible. So you have somebody like Kotech getting in with tons of money come from out of state. But, you know, at least, though, in Oregon with Orstar, we have the ability to know that. It's actually relatively transparent in Oregon. Federal elections, not quite so much. Yeah, so that's really kind of the weak point in government right now.

We really don't have any real way to find out how our elections are being manipulated by outside money. I mean, there's the talk, even the communist money. Well, the talk is George Soros' money is really what ended up elevating Mom Donnie in New York City, and it makes sense. That's a good point, and how many people will see and understand and know about that. I mean, it's talked about a little bit, but, I mean, you take the average under-imformed both. or going to the polls. They don't know anything about that. Hey, all they hear is that, hey, the rent's too damn high.

Mom, Donnie, will bring it down, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, that's kind of going back to our founders really did know that we had to have a moral, educated people in order to really run this place, and I think we're falling down on all those points, all right? Appreciate a call there, and thank you very much, Tom. It is 757. We're running through a lot of calls. Let's see if we can get the next one.

Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this on KMED? Hey, Bill. I'm double calling. I'm so sorry. Okay. So are you calling about protecting the supermarkets?

What would you do? I am. And, you know, my idea is to limit the people that go in at a time. And then they're able to, you know, watch people better. You know, that's what I was going to do. That's what I was going to say. You read my mind on this one. Yeah.

I was ready to get to. into it. It could almost bring this back into a COVID type of thing. And not that I wanted to bring back COVID, but remember when they would only let a few people in at the time and there was a maximum number and when people came out, then some would go in. If they're, if we're doing it that way, then when you have the occasional dirt bag trying to steal, you know, $400 worth of meat out of shirms or whatever it is, they're caught on the way out and you have security. You have private security there at the grocery store to keep that from happening. And then the other thing is, Tom's absolutely right.

My son had double hip replacement surgery, and they asked us if he needed a transfusion, blood transfusion, if we would allow that. And one of my first questions was to the nurse, I said, well, do you guys test for the people that have gotten the shot and donated? And she said, no, they don't. And I said, so what guarantee does he have not to get the COVID vaccine in blood that he needs to, you know, stay alive? Well, there is no testing. So there is no testing.

Yeah, I know. You just get the blood that's there. And then I said, well, what if I wanted my own blood? And because I'm O negative, so I'm universal like Tom. and they said, you have to come in two months prior to a procedure and have your own blood pumped out of you and then stored. And I said, well, is there any guarantee that in two months I'm going to get my own blood? And she didn't really elaborate on it, which made me kind of hesitant to, you know.

Okay, well, I think what we've got to do here, I got a better idea, okay? All right, I'm a universal donor, O negative, your own negative, universal donor. owner. Everybody wants their blood, right? You can go to anybody. So, let's open up Bill and Vicki's blood bank, all right? Oh, there we go. And people can leach from us. No COVID, no COVID, no other disease sort of thing. They can leach from me. And if you're going to be a blood sucker, blood suck on a good O negative. Okay? How about that? Yes, and I'm into vampires, so I might be okay with that. It's perfect for Halloween. All right. Bill and Vicki's blood bank. B&V, B, B, B. B. B. All right.

Let me grab one I know it's silly Hi good morning This is Bill who's this This is Brian Weldon Bill Hey Brian what's going on Well I know you don't want to talk about this subject But I'm one of the head petitioners

Of the recall for our Our chair Okay so what was that meeting that actually happened last night Because you know I'm getting I'm getting one side saying that Well we do not The Josephine County Republican Party does not recognize what happened last

night. So what's the story? Well, it was all done exactly by the bylaws of the ORP. We had some people there participating in this from Jackson County. Everything was done legally by the bylaws. Joseph Rice has been trying to silence us from our voice as Republicans for, well, ever since he was what I consider to be fraudulently elected with false votes from people that weren't PCPs. But that's why I teamed up as a petitioner. But he even went so far as to change the locks on our Republican office so a lot of us couldn't get in. Yesterday morning, he had his team call on. Now hold on. Wait a minute. How do they change the locks because Doa Robertson owns that building? Yes. And he changed the locks. He got

know as permission, but he wouldn't allow the keys to a lot of people. Okay. So he was trying to keep a lot of us that were against his policies out of the room, out of the office. Okay, so there's a real schism here going on. Because what the people that are there right now are telling me they're writing that you didn't have the petition done in time and various other things. I don't really want to get involved in this, though.

I really don't. It was all done with plenty of time. We did it three weeks ago. You only need, I don't know what it is, 10 days or two weeks or something, we did it plenty of time. The biggest thing that he did was yesterday morning. He had his team go to the commissioners of the county of Josephine County and try to lock us out of using the building last night for our recall meeting. Okay, lock them out of what building? and buskers oh to not use a public building missioners run building yes oh okay so the so you were in a

public building doing this uh this uh yes this vote okay all right and uh okay well well if joseph reaches out then i'll ask him why he would ask the county commission to uh to lock you out of that it doesn't make sense to me but yep all right appreciate the call all right thanks again Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Ready, fire, aim. You see that, huh? KMED, KMEDE, 1, Eagle Point, Medford.

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