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Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning. It is happy election day. I guess it's happy election day. Hope it is for you.

Don't know if you have decided to vote or if you are going to vote, but this is not the day to drop it in the mail. Although in Oregon, I suppose, what, it can be postmarked up to a week. Just take it by if you're going to vote in either the Rogue River. fire and by the way is there um is there is there something on the uh on this election for josephine county or is it pretty calm up there because everything else is uh pretty busy i'll tell you more about that here in just a minute and of course uh the big one here in the city of metford is measure 15 dash 238 the creek side quarter tax hike essentially is what they would do uh for this if if enough people vote yes and then they end up raising the hotel motel tax

up to, what, 13%, 11 to 13%, and then they take that money, use it for seed money, and then start rebuilding or redeveloping the area around Hawthorne Park, including making Hawthorne Park a little bit smaller, but you'd have supposedly this is all about a conference center, a nice hotel, and a ball stadium two for the Eugene Emeralds. How we pay for all of it still, you know, kind of a, work in progress. This is kind of the initial baby step move. The

idea is to get the seed funding first. That's the way it's looking at. I don't know if you have an opinion on that or not. I understand why the city wants to do this. So looking at this as a nice big shot in the arm for the downtown area.

And yet other people I talk to that understand baseball say that that's a wrong location for a baseball stadium. And we're also really not sure what all the details are on all the financing. So there's a lot of this, I think, which is involved in, do you trust to the city, the city council of Medford, to raise the taxes and do the right thing. I guess that's really the question this morning. And if you haven't voted

yet and you're thinking about it, tell me what you're thinking. 770-5-633-770 K-M-E-D. Now then, had a great couple of days off, you know, took Friday and Monday off. Of course, funny thing is that when you're on vacation on Monday, you're getting ready for Tuesday's show, so you take a day of vacation, and you're getting ready. It's just kind of the way it goes in my job. But after I got back from the coast, we came back Saturday night a little bit early because the rain just started just, it was just belting the coast Saturday night. And so all we were going to do was just spend the night in the motel, or the hotel, rather, in order to come back in the rain, you know, the next day. So we did, okay, we took off. And so we went through some of the rain and got home.

No big deal. Sunday morning, so I'm getting ready, get out. And I had the old Vannegut of mine. And I head out to get some diesel because it needed filled and go over and take care of mom in the morning. And so I head out to Delta Waters, hang a left, and I'm going towards the city of Medford. And it's foggy that morning. Sunday morning, if you were out Sunday morning, you know what it was like in Medford. It was pretty foggy.

So I was doing 35, maybe 4. He had the lights on, and, you know, this is about about 7.30. You know, sunrise was up still, but it was pretty, pretty foggy. And I'm looking ahead of myself. I'm looking through the fog. I'm saying, okay, so there's some lights there. They don't look like tail lights. And I'm doing about 3540.

And then I realize, holy moly, it's a big truck SUV coming at me, right at me in my lane coming at me in the opposite direction. And so I just kind of got it at just the very last second, saw it and went, boom, and then zigged the van about as quickly as you can zig a 40-something-year-old Volkswagen van and got out of the way, get a quick honk to the horn. And it was like the driver didn't realize that he was going the wrong way on Highway 62. And there's no way to turn across it because they have those concrete divideries. It was out by Daisy's hardware in that neighborhood. there's nowhere to turn.

Well, I guess if you're going the other way, you can turn out and then cross 62 right by Daisies, but, you know, just setting that aside at the moment. And so, dodged it, and whoever was in the SUV, he was going pretty fast, and I zigged, and so we lived to fight another day on this one. And so the funny thing is, is that I just went on Facebook later that morning and said, wow, I just did this, zigged and zagged, and everything's okay. and then it kind of crossed me. You know, it didn't strike me at the moment that, oh, yeah, this could have been a fatal head-on.

I could have been a statistic. I would have been on a permanent vacation. It's really kind of weird. I kind of just zoned out on it. Zig, zag, zag, soon, okay, go take care of mom, everything else, go home and tell Linda about it. She says, what? I say, oh, yeah, I guess it. And everybody else was kind of going, what?

Yeah. You ever have those kind of things in which, yeah, there was, yeah, you could have been dead right there out of something like that. And especially in the van again, you know, you're sitting right there in the front. There's not a whole lot of front end on that vehicle. It just would have been, you know, well, it's like a snub-nosed kind of a vehicle. There's not a lot of front before you end up, you know, hitting it. So it could have been a different story. It could have been a different story.

It could have been to Krista golf for a few days until they figured things out. yikes you know um but it's kind of funny when you can have something like that happened to you and it didn't strike me as that big of a deal at a time it was only upon reflection like oh yeah yeah that really could have been bad huh but uh anyway thank the lord everything went out okay everyone was fine and you know interestingly enough as i'm sitting at poplar ready to turn left because i was going over to fred mire the uh the person who almost hit me had turned turned around, probably pull a Ui in the middle of Highway 62 because he was going the wrong way and then was next to me trying to turn left. So obviously what had happened is that he had tried turning out of that area by lithium body and paint and he missed the lane in the fog and then ended up going the other way.

Fortunately, it wasn't very busy. It wasn't a lot of traffic and could have been a lot worse. Just kind of weird how things go on and then you realize, hey, you know, that was kind of a big deal, you know? So anyway, that was my personal exciting time. That was the exciting time for my vacation. All right. Now, let's take a look at some of the news here going around. Also very exciting.

Rogue Valley Times this morning. What a story. What a story. Jackson County, D.A. Patrick Green. This was Buffy Pollock's story in the Rogue Valley Times, RV Times.com, that Jackson County, D.A. has filed contempt of court over that those early prison releases. This was something that Pollock and RV Times was covering a couple, about a month ago or so, maybe a little bit more bringing up this deal.

Green's complaint claims that the Department of Corrections fail to comply with sentencing terms imposed by circuit court judge. And the Oregon Truth Project, by the way, has filed a victim rights violation claim on this too. So Patrick Green yesterday files contempt against the Oregon Department of Corrections for the early release of Joaquin Coward. and Coward was sentenced to 12 years in prison in 2021 and 2023, and he was supposed to stay in there until 2029 for repeatedly sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl. And he was one of nearly 400 prisoners. Sentences were recalculated in recent weeks, resulting in all sorts of reduced sentences. And in some cases, immediate releases of prisoners.

And these recalculations were prompted by, they were reviewing more than 10,000, prison inmates following an Oregon Supreme Court decision in July, rather, in the case State X. Rel Torres-Lopez v. Farian, which allowed credit for time served on multiple consecutive sentences. But Green said the Department of Corrections double, triple, or quadruple counted time served credit across consecutive counts. So in other words, Governor Tita Kotex people who are essentially saying, okay, well, we're not going to defund the police. We're just going to release dirtbag prisoners from jail. We're going to let them out.

And anyway, Green telling the Road Valley Times, the contempt action calls for accountability from the DOC. Hopefully they're going to get this reverse. I don't know what can be reversed enough. Keep an eye on this story for sure. And Buffy and the Road Valley Times doing great job on that one. CalBI reporting that Grants Pass City Council changing course in the homeless grant program after the original partner didn't get a property. Yeah, Pathways to Stability was disqualified.

There was a 5-3 vote apparently last night. Nonprofit originally got a $1.2 million shelter grant and instead they're moving forward with Elk Island resources as the city's new partner. That was the second place. So even more drama. KDRV reporting that we had a vehicle crash into a power pole among Delta Waters Road had widespread power outages there for a little while I was in the garage working on some stuff

and all of a sudden the lights were flickering and going off and on about 630 so oh yeah that's what that ended up being fortunately the driver only had minor injuries no big deal so that was good news at least there was another accident happened on Murphy late Sunday night in the Monday morning and that was a really, really bad situation. We'll have more on that coming up, too.

22 minutes after 6 at KMED, KBXG, this is the Bill Meyer show. If you. Hi, I'm Lisa with Kelly's Automotive Service, and I'm on KMED. 24 after 6, taking your calls on Pebble in your shoe Tuesday, 7705-633. By the way, more drama coming out of Josephine County politically. This is from Kenny Kaiser, from Josephine County Republican Party. officers and PCPs. They're going to quit. They're going to resign in protest of corruption and procedural violations. This is their press release here. Numerous PCPs of the Josephine

County Republican Central Committee gathering at the Josephine County Courthouse this morning, 9 o'clock to formally submit their resignations. And we're talking about Joseph Rice, the chair. Remember, there was another group of PCPs that had... Withdrawn him or had kicked him out a few days ago, you had that, and this group is not claiming the main group of the PCPs. They're not recognizing this, but still we have Joseph Rice quitting. Vice Chair, Skip Wells will resign. Secretary Karen Arsner, Treasury Donna Nicely, delegate to Mark Woods, parliamentarian Jonathan Knapp, along with all the appointed leadership. position so it did i guess we're going to have the oregon republican party that's going to be

stepping in and doing something about this so wow okay um like i said people were yelling at me last week i know the old chair holly morton was explaining well this is what that group did in the uh you know in the in the in the auditorium blah blah blah blah blah and we got the ORP we got a parliamentarian to do this and so the other group is not they're recognizing this So what we have here is a failure to communicate, and something's going to happen. I don't exactly know what, but they're all quitting today at 9. Okay? All right, 7705-633, and let me go to David.

Davis and Phoenix. Hello, David. Welcome. Good morning, Bill. It's pebble in your shoe, so I'd like to discuss with you this thing that's going on. in Medford, about the ballpark and the hotel and all that, we complain about taxes and we complain about paying for things. This is a chance for voters in Medford to say, no thank you to giving a permanent funding to the Medford Jackson County Chamber and to urban renewal. Whether this thing goes or not,

this tax will be paid. And it really is a pebble to say, oh, I don't want to pay for this. Oh, you're not going to have to pay for it. Somebody else is going to pay for it. Oh, yeah, well, then I'll vote for it. And so that really bothers me. And the thing that concerns me also is this thing probably isn't going to come to fruition for up to 25 years in the future. So it's definitely a long-term plan. it is. But there aren't a lot of details for it right now. We have a lot of proposals at this point. Yes, but it's like, it's like, I can't tell you what's in the bill until we pass it or give us the money before we can do anything. This isn't, you know, if if commercialism wanted to be in Medford, somebody would be knocking on the door saying we'd like to do something. This is an inducement. We did one once before we built a parking garage downtown. Medford. It's still there. It's a red brick thing that nobody wants to use except the bottom deck or so. And it's an intractive nuisance to skateboarders and to lots of nefarious activity. But it blocks off part of the city from the commons. And then we did the commons

thing. The Lithia Tower was supposed to be this grand thing. And a hotel people from Ashland who have remodeled some hotels in the Ashland area, red did the old Red Lion, turned it into the inn at the commons, and it was really a nice place. I really like that place a lot, especially Lark's restaurant, really did. Yes, it was excellent, but it became a white elephant for them, and they couldn't get, you know, you've got to have insurance, property tax, and liabilities, and all kinds of stuff, right? and uh so turned into a white elephant uh for them and so passed through money came through and access was able to acquire it and turn it into the merrick for uh um for their use and um

in other words homeless bums yeah i'm i'm trying to be the judicious one this i know i'm trying you know but that that's essentially what happened that's essentially what happened to that. Okay. And, and, and, and, and I'm attempting here to say that when this thing gets done, or if it gets done, then they're going to have to buy this, even though the taxpayers paid for it. It was federal money to the state and state grant to access to buy this. Now we're going to have to buy it from access because this is Kevin Stein. I'm accusing Kevin Stein of this. Okay, and I'll say it right to his face. I've talked to him a couple of times. He's for all this stack and pack and the, you know, where they did the re-rid, restripe the streets and

you have to put in the bike lanes and widen the sidewalks. He's all for this stuff. So this will be money for access. Access is hurting for money right now because the grant stream funding is kind of trickling now. And so we're going to have, somebody's going to have to pay for that. Merrick, the old red lion, and give money to access. And see, and it's just, it's just moving the pieces around. Plus, it'll be a permanent money, no matter what happens into the future for the Medford, Jackson County Chamber, and for urban renewal. There's already people that I've spoken to because of the wild salmon and steelhead. All kinds of things are going to have to be done for Bear Creek, it's just going to be, and there's even possible, even possible lawsuits

coming in the future that's going to add expense and time and more drama and stuff. Nobody wants to come to downtown Medford. It's a mess. I don't even want to go to downtown Medford. I go down. But can you understand then why they're trying to do this? I'm trying to be fair about their motivations to get something that is not either bum-oriented or, or, you know, homeless, affordable housing or climate-friendly equitable community, you know, BS. I hear you, Bill, but why, if you've driven your car from South Stage Road on 99 and driven from there through Central Point on 99, in Medford, it turns one way into Riverside, the other way it turns into Central, okay? But if you make the run, all right, even if you do this, you still got to make that run. Even if you go come down East Main Street and come into Medford, the way East Main Street is, get to Crater Avenue and then continue on in.

If you go around the Medford Center, it's a mess. The whole town, I mean, why would people want to fly? I'm not saying people flying in to have a convention here. I'm really not seeing it. I'm really not seeing what people want to walk on our side. No, but even the people that work downtown, okay, when the gals had their Republican headquarters downtown, when all that mess was going on, they kept their doors locked and stuff right. They didn't.

In fact, they moved the Republican Party headquarters over to Central Point. They had a grand opening for it last weekend. Well, congratulations to them, but I'm just saying they didn't even, we weren't even happy being there. I mean. So it sounds to me that what you're saying, is that before you start talking about redeveloping around Hawthorne, then, you're thinking clean up your downtown first, clean up your act of what you have there first? Is that kind of what you're what you're alluding to? If private enterprise wants to do this, that's great.

This is the soft communism. It really truly is. This is money from the Medford Jackson County Chamber. They get a piece of it, and so does urban renewal. This is going to be on motel and hotels that they're just built, they're finishing two new hotels. right now as we speak. They've got all these beautiful hotels that have rooms where people can come and have their little conventions and whatnot. You're not going to get a Las Vegas-style convention here. It's not happening. Why would the NRA want to have their annual this year's convention in Medford, Oregon? They want to go to New Orleans, Miami, you know, even a, even a crap hole like Chicago. Okay. Now I, now I will concede your point because I have made that

same issue here that the convention and meeting, meeting business has been spotty and has not been necessarily good. But, you know, they're trying to throw something at it and see what sticks. That's what they're doing, you know, out of this. And we'll see what the, you know, it's going to be up to the voters at this point, the Medford voters. Right. But I hope the voters can understand that what they're doing. They're saying, I'm voting for it, yeah, because somebody else is going to pay for it. Well, we'll always end up paying for it in one form or another. Yes, but, but, but, but, but, but, But it's wrong to say, well, I don't want to pay for it. Oh, I'm not going to pay for it.

Well, then hell, yeah, I want it, okay? Okay. David, I understand. I appreciate your point of you and thanks for making it this morning. Okay? Thanks, Bill. You all right. Okay, calm down.

Calm down. It's going to be okay. This two will pass. This two will, you know, go past at some point. Anyway, 634. Short and chilly days are an opportune time to work on the interior of your... Be 250730. Good morning.

This is News, Talk 1063, KMED. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. Jeff's on the road. Jeff, you wanted to the way on on Creekside. Today is the election for 15-238. What are you thinking? Well, I'm thinking this was done pretty slick and quick.

And I'm wondering what they, you're kind of a bit optimistic, your reserving opinion on it. Have you ever seen any numbers or any figure supporting those numbers of 762 million in jobs and then 1.69 billion in economic impact. What are the figures to support that? In my opinion, in my opinion, it's a very positive, it's a very blue sky forecast, and I think they'll be the first to admit. This is what happens anytime, though, you have a group coming forward. And so you've got to run it through our heads. You know, I'm just saying I understand and why they're trying to do it.

I don't know if this is the best way of going about it or not. And what do you think? It's huge. It's huge. It's the largest economic, it's the largest development in Medford or Jackson County or Southern Oregon's history. And what supports it? I mean, it's just, it's a desire. Okay, great.

But let's have something foundational. Let's have some developers. I haven't seen one developer, large developer. Yeah, I'm commit $25 million in this. project because I'll I'll commit to building the convention center. I'll commit to build in the stadium. I haven't seen that. I've just seen these guys, well, we'll get somebody in if we give two. Well, supposedly the way it's been described, though, is that the negotiations are already underway or they're there, but they're waiting for the seed

funding, and that's what this election's about. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I think, maybe you trust government that much to come through. And, you know, I just, it's a typical thing to me that, You know, they shoot high, and then, you know, we over-projected. So you just got to add a little $10 to your, you know, to your sewer bill, or, you know, just a little bit here, a little tweaky there, and, you know. Okay, Jeff. I think I get it. Thank you for your call, all right.

Yeah, sure. All right. Thank you for your show, Bill. Thank you very much. Scott, quick one here, given that I was almost had a head-on in the fog out there on 62 the other day, Fortunately, I lived to fight another day. What's going on? Hey, this is Scott from Eagle Point.

I'm a professional driver, many, many hours on the road. And this we see often where somebody early in the morning, especially or late at night in the fog, gets disoriented. Doesn't know where they're going. What you can do to be a defensive driver, just slow down, and then just start to move off to the right if you can. And it's coming up on you quickly. Get on your horn.

You're not supposed to flash people, but if it's your life, go ahead. I've had to do it myself. Just pull back or push forward and just let them know something's going on. And so far it's kept me alive for 40 years plus professional. Yeah. Well, I appreciate the suggestion there. And, you know, at first I thought that I was looking at taillights and then realized, nope, we're on color, you know. Right, right.

So, and like I said, you know, thank the Lord, I'm here. But, yeah, I didn't realize just how bad that could have been until maybe a few hours later. It's like, oh, yeah, that could have been bad. I didn't think much about it. Appreciate the call. Thank you so much, Scott, professional driver. Hey, I wanted to talk a little bit about public safety a bit. And also, you know, you think about what's going on over in Portland right now.

The big battles about whether or not we're going to deploy the National Guard. I'm talking about the federal government doing this. and that is still in limbo and I guess the judge is going to have more to say about that but I wanted to talk about some of the strategies that people are using to combat violent crime and help the police out and joining me is Justin Kiener rather he is president of Americans for Public Safety

by the way you can find out more about them A4Publicsafty.com Justin great to have you on morning sir I'm glad to be here thank you very much tell us a little bit about the A4Publicsafety.com group What are you all about? Sure. So Americans for Public Safety, we were founded this year pretty much in direct response to the need to really restore the respect for law enforcement that they deserve.

The public wants violent crime addressed. They want to feel safe. They want to be able to walk through their communities. Their kids go to school without threat of harm. And we're here to support policies and candidates that respect law enforcement, deliver justice to victims, and a poll the Constitution. Now, I understand that you're in Texas. Now, you're in Texas, right?

You're in Texas? I sure am. Okay, now, good for you, because Texas seems to do this. You know, around here, we have police officers, like, over in Portland. I know if you read about this, Justin, well, the problem is not a lack of police. The problem is that when the police show up, they stand down. You know, is that anything you ever have a challenge with in Texas? Just curious.

Well, it's pretty disrespectful to police. You see cases like that, typically in some of the larger urban areas, more bluer areas of America. And it's not just telling them to stand down, but it's also not supporting them if they do their job. And that's one reason. Morale drops significantly. And maybe that's why they're standing down. Maybe that's why they're standing down. Is that kind of what you're assuming at? Hey, there's nothing to be gained? We see cases, and when you talk to law enforcement, you'll hear this to say, why should I put my neck on the line and risk my life, where if I make a mistake, even if it's an honest mistake, I'll likely get sued, I'll be indicted, the mayor, the police chief may not stand up for me. If it's a Soros District Attorney, they're probably more likely to prosecute a cop than they are a violent crime sometimes. All right. Now, you understand what goes on in things that work and things that don't, because I know you administer the Crime Stoppers program at the Dallas Crime Commission. And tell me about your experience there and what you have learned over the years and what is good at battling violent crime. And what might not? Any ideas do you want to share? You know, it's actually not rocket science. If you apply police presence to high crime areas, you will see. crime drop almost universally if they're allowed to do their job. More police, less crime. Also, if you think of police no different than a sports team. If a sports team has high morale, they are more likely to perform better. And when there's higher morale, you can also improve

recruitment. And right now, we're in a recruitment crisis across the country. Thankfully, we're starting to see some of that turnaround, but it's mostly in the rural areas. Urban areas are having an incredibly difficult time recruiting police. But some states are focusing on it. Florida, Nebraska, Texas, and others have, for instance, improved recruitment techniques, compensation, college credits, for instance, tax-free bonuses, while other states are just not stepping up. And I think that's one reason, too, why you're seeing our president highlight the need to address violent crime if local communities or governors are unwilling to do so. By the way, Justin Keener with me once again, he is the President of Americans for Public Safety.

Now, you were one of the people that built the right-on crime campaign. Isn't that right? Several years ago, yes, I did. It was a pleasure to team up with a number of conservative leaders across the country because we really need to find out how can we improve public safety across the board, just like we address, whether it's health care or education, just bring a really comprehensive look at it. And pivoting from that is where we are today, which is now the country needs to focus on violent crime, a very singular focus on those.

Yeah, now, I remember I talked to people from the right-on crime initiative a lot during the first Trump administration. And the part that I kind of remember was that it really seemed to be about reducing sentencing on people. Am I characterizing that incorrectly or not? but it seemed to be about relaxing the sentencing that was going on at that point. If I, like I said, this is a few years ago when I last talked to anybody from that group. And so, is that, does that kind of go at cross purposes, though, of trying to keep the public safer? I'm just curious. For anyone who's trying to reduce sentences overall, that's not going to necessarily be effective.

Now, what you want to do is you make sure that you are having very solid, solidly enforced sentences for violent crimes. At the time, you have conservatives really wanted to take a look at, are we locking people up for, say, first time, low-level, nonviolent offenses, and maybe they need to go to treatment. But for violent crimes, that's an entirely different case. And so when you talk about sentencing, you need to make sure the sentence matches, you know, the punishment fits the crime. And at that time, it was a focus on these very low-level, first-time offenses that many of us, whether we were kids or you made a mistake, do you need to be locked up for an incredible amount of time? I'm probably where Texas actually led the effort on that, on the low level, but on the tough end, on the violent crime, that's where you need to crack down. You need to make sure people are behind bars who deserve to be behind bars, not just for public safety, but for justice for victims. Okay, I don't want to mischaracterize it, but I remember.

Remember, it always seemed, though, to be like the Kim Kardashian types going into the Trump White House and trying to get, you know, some, frankly, drug dealers released that they were. Well, I certainly am not a fan or support the notion of reducing sentences for people who are dealing in deadly narcotics and helping to kill many of our veterans and children. That's for certain. So I would necessarily conflate the two, but I have a feeling there were one or two items where left and right could agree, but that was also a different time when left and right weren't, where the left didn't just naturally oppose anything that Trump supported. And there was a case where Trump did support on prisons, for instance. You know, public safety has three elements. Cops taking the bad guys off the streets, sports delivering justice, and prisons making sure that when individuals are released, they are less likely to commit crime. Ninety-seven percent of people will be released. Trump knows this. This is one area where I worked with his first administration, and we said, okay, when you're in prison, you need to get the training and programmatic considerations you can so that when you come out, you're more likely

to have a job, support your family. We have seen that individuals who went through Trump's program are less likely to reoffend. That's the type of common sense measures that don't affect, you we're not talking about releasing, you know, these violent criminals or not even prosecuting them. That's the kind of measures we need to look at, because it's those three areas, cops, courts, and prisons. And each one of them has something to do with public safety. You know, and now we have to focus on the law enforcement side. And in some cases, even the court side, because we have soros prosecutors or we have rogue judges like here in Texas, our largest county, Harris County, which is Houston, just refuses to lock up repeat, violent offenders or let them out on bond, even though they've been arrested dozens of time.

I got to tell you, Justin, we're dealing with that at the local level here in the city of Medford, the Jackson County District Attorney, has just filed a contempt of court action over, well, with the Department of Corrections, the State Department of Corrections, because they came up with this plan to reduce sentences for people that had a lot of concurrent sentencing going on and we had a dirt bag that was supposed to have been going to prison for sexually abusing a girl, a young girl who's supposed to go to jail for like 12 years

and so his sentence practically went away and he was supposed to be in jail here this is something I think that needs to be looked at I don't know is this something that that is done at the federal level though can the federal government more or less kind of weigh in on the state government and say, hey, knock this kind of stuff off, or is there a separation here, in your opinion? How do you see it?

The federal government has limited tools to address that. It can withhold certain funding, although sometimes, well, do I want to withhold funding from law enforcement in order to punish the judges? And so it's very difficult. Now, I just gave you what Texas did. Harris County was causing, I mean, we have hundreds of individuals who have been murdered by someone who was released on bond by a rogue judge. And so we are actually today is Election Day, and one of the items is a constitutional amendment that will provide more

accountability and allow us to detain these individuals without bond if they are seen as a threat to public safety for the most heinous offenses, and also the accountability measures so that the public can better see which judges are doing this, and they have to justify if they are releasing individuals. It's really tough. And this is one of the accountability measures. And this is one of You know, we have 50 different states, right? We have federalism. I certainly support the concept of federalism as well. It's very important so we can see what works and what doesn't.

Yeah, well, Oregon is usually the example of what doesn't work. Okay, Justin, that's what Oregon. You know, and usually, I'm sure that over in Texas, you're looking at, I can't believe you, people are being crazy like that. You guys are crazy. But, yeah, this is our challenge. We're a red section of a blue state. and when it comes to, you know, Americans for Public Safety, you know, your group here, are you working the political end of it, trying to get candidates in?

What is your action plan, I guess, is what I'm digging into? Absolutely, absolutely we are, because it takes not just enacting the policies, but electing candidates who will support law enforcement and defeating those who will disrespect it. We just started our political work. We've endorsed in the Virginia governor's race and Attorney General's race. There you have obviously an example of the Democrat running to be the top cop, attorney general. His texts were exposed wishing death on his political opponent that the child's, his child would die in his mother's arms. There's no excuse for that. That is a moral obligation to oppose that person. And then when you have Winston moral fears for governor, she is a clear advocate for public safety, supporting law enforcement, and the fact that her opponent for governor, who's at the top of the ticket for Democrats, won't even call on this attorney general candidate to drop out. Again, that's a moral call that you have to make. And so that's our first political involvement. But we're going to identify areas where we can provide true value for candidates who support public safety when there's someone running against them who is a clear

threat. It will be interesting that if we can get back to a time, like even in the first Trump administration, where there wasn't just a knee-jerk opposition to a Trump proposal on crime or criminality in courts and things, that just wasn't automatically knee-jerked opposition because, well, it's Trump. And that's a tall lift, though, when you say pretty heavy lift right now? It's a very heavy lift. Now, I will say privately behind the scenes, there are some Democrats who are talking with Republicans about a crime bill. What might that include? Really don't know yet? I have a feeling it's going to include a lot of focus on violent crime and supporting law enforcement. May it may address some bail measures. The bail at the federal

level is very different than state. Every state has their own policies. But you might see some funding tied to that. So we'll wait and see, you know, obviously the shutdown is the only anything that's really being addressed right now. But there are some behind the scenes discussion. So we'll see. But my guess is if there's going to be a major crime bill come out, it's going to focus on violent crime. Justin Keener, president of Americans for Public Safety, www.a, 4, the number 4, public safety.com. Get all your information up there. Appreciate you coming on. Also explaining what made this different from your earlier relationship with right-on crime, because like I said, I talked with a lot of those folks back at that time, too.

And I appreciate you being on. Thank you, Justin. Be well. Thank you. Have great, bye-bye. It's a minute before seven on KMED. KMED, HD-1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass. Hi, this is Lisa.