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Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausorrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. 10 after 7, Kevin Sterrat joins me from Oregon Firearms Federation, Oregonfirearms.orgie. Kevin, welcome back to the show. Always good having you on here. And you brought me a story that I had kind of missed here, but the Oregon Court of Appeals actually did something right.

when it came to firearms law and a firearms case out of Bend. This just happened the other day, didn't it? Yeah, and it kind of shocked me. The appeals court overturned the conviction of a guy who was attacked in Bend by a guy who'd been harassing his girlfriend, then attacked this guy and started beating him, injured him. The guy responded that the attacker was a bigger, stronger guy. the victim had been knocked down. He responded by shooting the guy, and I died.

And the DA at the time, a guy named John Hummel, who I think I would probably describe him best as a disgraceful piece of race baiting garbage, turned it into a racial incident because the attacker was a black guy. And Hummel said, compared it to lynchings, you know. Yeah, but remember, this was like a potential bar fight, right? Right? That's what we were talking about, right? You know, I wouldn't say it was a bar fight. I mean, it happened at a bar. Yeah. Most of the bar fights that I were in did not involve, you know, one guy harassing a woman and then beating up that woman's boyfriend.

You know, they involve people drinking too much and someone bump someone. Yeah, girls are usually involved. But the guy defended himself. That's what he did. And the attacker died. And so Hummel, who has a history of this kind of disgraceful behavior, turned this into a lynching, and the jury was informed incorrectly about what was going on, and the guy got 10 years in prison. And now the appeals court has said, no, wait a minute, you know, we have to revisit it was overturned because, for example, what the stories reported is that the jury should have been instructed that, in Oregon, you do not have a duty to retreat from an attacker.

That's right. And that was kind of what the judge was telling the jury, right, as if, you know, you had to retreat and that, you know, you had to run away, in essence, and not stand your ground. But that's not true. That's not the way our law works. Well, I don't know what the judge actually said because I hadn't seen those reports, but I'm assuming if the appeals court brought that up, specifically saying that the jury should have been informed of that, that they were originally misinformed of it. This guy's been sitting in prison for several years as a result of the behavior of John Hummel, who was no longer in office there, but who has, you know, this is a guy I debated during the

Measure 114 debacle on, I think that YouTube video of that is still floating around. I think it was on channel on Fox in Portland, and Hummel blatantly lied throughout the entire debate. I mean, he's clearly a far left-wing partisan. He does not understand the law. He's a liar. And so this guy's been sitting in jail. And now, you know, OPP is reporting that the attacker in this case, Barry Washington, Jr., they just revealed a plaque in his honor. Yeah, yeah, they just put up, well, it's kind of like they treated Barry Washington, Jr. is kind of like our, well, Central Oregon's George Floyd is essentially what they were trying to do. Isn't that the way they were painting this, really?

Yeah, I mean, it was like, you know, George Floyd was a violent, drug-addicted felon, and now there's paintings of him up, and he's been granted saying could by the left. This guy started, you know, harassing a gal, her boyfriend stepped in. He punched him. The victim in this case actually suffered a brain injury. as a result of the attack, and, of course, he, as we're seeing a pattern of in Oregon, you know, the victim went to, was convicted, you know, roll a call, we saw that same exact thing happened.

With Strickland. You still there? Yes, I'm here. Okay, yeah, I'm thinking about with Kevin Strickland in which, you know, the victims in certain situations get, uh, get prosecuted rather than, uh, okay. Recently, in the last couple of weeks, of a guy in Portland who worked in a pot shop, and robbers came in, and they were robbing the pot shop, and he, the employee, left. He, I think they hit the guy.

I think they may have hit him with a gun, but they allowed him to get his backpack and leave. Now, he was no longer in any danger, but he came back and shot these guys through a window, which you would assume immediately. immediately that's like, okay, he's no longer in danger. He doesn't have, there's no legal justification for shooting. Now, there's a moral justification for shooting them. Sure. There's no legal justification. And the jury acquitted them. Okay, granted, it's Portland. He's protecting a pot shop. We get that. But it says to me that there's no sense of, no even sense of justice anywhere in Oregon. And that, you know, you're being attacked after defending a woman you're with. by a bigger, stronger guy, that guy gets a plaque and you get prison. And so the court's overturning of this, and according to the news story, it appears there'll be a new trial, but it's also possible for the Department of Justice to go and ask the Supreme Court to overturn this, to keep the guy in prison, which given the court, the Department of

Justice is entirely possible. Which means the victim could still be convicted again or have this decision over it. Wow. You know, this just shows how going into court in Oregon really is a crapshoot, isn't it, Kevin? It's a tremendous crapshoot. And listen, Hummel, this is not the only example of Hummel's utterly, completely disgraceful, unlawful behavior. You know, he prosecuted a guy of what was this, I think his name was Shane Morgan, who had been accused by this woman of kidnapping her, raping her, forcing her into sexual slavery. And he prosecuted this guy. Every word of it was a lie. The guy lost his job.

He lost his home. He, you know, his family, you know, horrible experiences, and it was all fabricated. And when it was proven it was fabricated, now, you know. Now, remember this is coming from the era of believe women, remember, remember hashtag believe women? It's coming from an era when the legislature was passing a bill that basically allowed women to make any kind of accusation, and the mail would always be prosecuted. And at the time, I mean, we did a lightly alert about this. This was in 2022. And the left was saying, well, you have nothing to worry about because we've made it a crime to make false accusations. Well, yeah, it may be a crime

to make a false accusation, but they don't prosecute people for making the false accusation, right? The woman who made all these false accusations, which were proven to be false. And then she destroyed this guy's life, not a word of it was true. And Hummel said, well, I'm not going to prosecute her because, you know, I don't want to discourage anyone else from coming forward. I mean, absolutely demented behavior. Oh, yeah, we don't want to, we don't want to discourage the liars to come up and make false claims. Yeah, we wouldn't want to discourage them. Okay, gotcha. So, so this is what's happening. You know, I'm not hearing a lot of stories. Once in a while, you'll hear a story of somebody who protected themselves.

and didn't go to prison, but that person is still going to be dragged through the system at enormous expense to themselves. So this is obviously very good news for this person, this victim, but he's obviously not out of the woods yet at all because we still have the potential for the Department of Justice to go and ask the Supreme Court to overturn what the appeals court did. Ian Cranston, is he actually out of jail right now, or do we know? I don't know, but I do not believe so. I mean, this story came out, I think yesterday was the first time I saw it, and I doubt he'd be out that quickly.

I certainly hope so, but I do not know for sure. Yeah, I love this story, how they talk about when I put love, I'm putting it in scary air quotes, that Barry Washington, this is the guy that was beating up on the victim, right, beating up. his death sparked protests against racism in Bend, Washington, or in Ben, rather, Washington, who was black, was unarmed when Cranston, who is white, fatally shot him with a handgun during a fight outside of a nightclub. Well, from what I understand, Washington was just beating him to death because you even said Cranston had brain damage, right, or injuries, you know, from this, didn't it? This is how the media twist things, you know. It's a fight outside a bar, which, of course, immediately conjures up images of some kind of mutual combat. Well, yeah, like Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze getting it on with someone, right?

That kind of thing. One is attacking another person after rudely, you know, harassing the guy's girlfriend. So, you know, mercifully, Hummel is no longer in office. I don't know if who's ever taken his place is any better. I mean, Hummel is one of the most disgraceful human beings I've ever personally. encountered. I mean, a provable liar. No concept of what the law actually says, but determined, you know, a racist, a clear race-baiting, disgraceful person. And, you know, I wish the best for the guy who's sitting in jail, but it does point out, once again, how fragile our system is,

and how easy it is to wind up on the wrong side of things when you do what any normal person would do to protect yourself and a person that you're with. But fortunately, the Court of Appeals, the Oregon Court of Appeals, did decide the right way in this particular situation, that since the jury had not been told that you have no duty to retreat, they overturn the conviction or they reverse it. And I guess it goes back to court. We don't know, though, if the area around Ben is going to re-prosecute or not. Do we know?

Did they mention any of that? Are they going to try them again, you think? Look, everything that you read in the conventional media is going to be, you know, based on an actual story, right? Apparently, it can go back to trial. I don't know if the fact that it is overturned, that it could just stay that way, that it's conviction to be overturned,

or it will certainly go back to another trial, but it could. It could go back to court again. And, of course, in that district, you know, in Bend, you know, Ben is a, you know, very, very liberal place, and no doubt that, once again, you know, there'll be marches,

and people will say that this was entirely race-based in spite of the fact that it clearly was not, race-based. So I think it's positive news, but we sure have a long way to go. All right. I appreciate the take on it, Kevin. Anything else you want to add here? What, I guess we've got two more days before one of the gun cases gets heard in court again, right? I mean, today is the day that we elect a communist mayor in New York. But then November 6th, two days from now is when the Supreme Court will hear measure 114. And, you know, I don't know what's going to happen. Obviously, the appeals court decision surprised me. I'm going to continue

to hope that the Supreme Court surprises me, but as we've talked about many times, irrespective of what happens there, gun owners and gun dealers are far from out of the woods in Oregon because the legislature has made it clear that they are determined to punish anybody who supports the Second Amendment. Well, I'm glad you're supporting it. We still support it, too, and, you know, got to keep fighting this one Kevin thanks so much always good having you on Oregon firearms.orgue okay

thank you all right and a great story there at least you know at least one bit of injustice was reversed on this one at least so far

for Ian Cranston okay now then we have a case here with an apartment invader in the Hawthorne Park area and a good guy with a gun comes over

and kills him apparently Sunday morning. I want to talk with landlord involved with that here in just a minute. This is the Bill Myers Show. If you are in Medicare, you know that annual enrollment begins October 15th and... You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. Medford Police Department investigating a shooting.

Medford Department Complex, in Hawthorne, actually. 18 Hawthorne Street is where this ended up happening. It was Sunday, and apparently is there... Somebody forced his way into an apartment, and then a neighbor heard what was going on, came over and shot the assailant dead right there. I want to talk to Bruce Edwards. Bruce, good to have you on. You are the landlord, you own that building, huh? Tell us a little bit about what you know so far, huh?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they released his name, Anna's age, Martine Jimenez, age 32. We looked him up on Facebook or the name. And we found a name, and the picture seemed to fit in the description that our tenants had of him. We don't know for sure. They also said the police did that his family was contacted. We don't know if it's a local family. But here's what I know.

Both tenants said that he's a big guy. Arms are tatted up, bald, and no discernible speech. beach, they said that he was mumbling, and he was wearing no pants. Oh. Yeah, he had underwear on, but no pants. So my tenant, I'll just call him John. Okay. He was awakened at 3 a.m., but by somebody, this guy pounding on his door,

he comes out and turns on the porch light and realizes he's in trouble with this guy and calls 911. 911 puts him on hold. By the way, did your tenant know this guy? Oh, no. Okay. It was random. That's another weird thing. He did not know.

And then the guy tried to disable the porch light was unsuccessful, kept pounding on it, and then he succeeded in breaking the door open. It's a heavy door. Now he's inside. 9-1-1-1 answers. Now it's too late for them to do anything. And now he's assaulted. This guy punches him in the nose, breaks his nose.

Wow. And one description of him by, I think the police, was that he's elderly, but he's a middle-aged guy, and he knows some self-defense, and he's able to get a couple punches into his throat, which didn't stop him. But now he's injured and he's on the floor with this guy on top of him. Oh, boy. Yeah, this is not looking good at that point, right? Because you say he's a big guy, right? Big guy, the deceased. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, now his neighbor, Jim, I'll call him that. was awakened and he realizes there's a crime in progress and you know and he comes out he didn't know anything was going on he didn't know if the guy was armed uh so i have to admire his courage for doing this goes over goes into the door sees what's going on gets the guy's attention now he gets up and approaches him uh turns on him and he's coming after him and at which time he discharges, he discharges his firearm. And we have pictures of the aftermath, the grisliness of it.

Oh, yeah. So. But anyway, both John and Jim, though, are okay, right? And, and do we know if, do we know if this gentleman, anything about this, you know, the deceased assailant? was he is i mean this is by hawthorn and hawthorne has a lot of uh hawthorne park as you well know the neighborhood sometimes has a lot of uh of transient occupy occupation around there and is that still the case around that apartment complex or near nearby right yeah we've had

numerous incidents of almost people sleeping on our tenant's porches you know going through the trash, that kind of stuff. And we like all of our tenants because they are able to chase them off and get them out. But yeah, there's that, there's been numerous incidences of that. So you have to wonder if this guy was in that same category. I tend to believe he was. And so, um, well, Bruce, I'm just glad that your tenants are okay. And apparently Medford police at this point, they're not charging anyone in this. This would appear to be justified. Is there any talk about having to go before a grand jury,

or are we just kind of saying, hey, that's it? You know, this was a home invasion, and that's just the way it goes. Well, it's automatic that the case goes before the grand jury, but the detective I spoke with said that he was 1,000% in the right, what he did, and he's exonerated. When I spoke to him, he seemed pretty calm for what he just went through. And he was out and about walking around.

So he wasn't detained like some of these news reports said. And so, yeah, I like his chances, but I was a little disturbed at Kevin's. What Kevin was saying about, you know, how lawlessness has infected the legal system here. You can't be happy about that. Well, looking at what DA Patrick Green is all about right now and how he has filed a contempt of court charge against the Department of Corrections because they are reducing the sentences above what, you know, Jackson County DA wanted for some of these dirtbaggy of criminals. Something tells me that the DA's office is not going to be looking too closely at this or trying to, you know,

yeah, they'll have to bring it before the jury, you always will. But unless the grand jury has gone insane and assuming it is going the way that you have described it about Jim and John, he's probably going to be just fine. Everyone's probably going to be just fine on this, except for the deceased, of course. Okay? Yeah, and I have to admire Jim's courage for doing what he did, not knowing what he's going to encounter. And so I'm happy about that. But a lot of the comments I've seen on Facebook, most of them are positive, you know, happy with the outcome.

But as you'd expect, a lot of them were saying, yeah, I'm glad he's dead, that kind of thing. But, you know, the Bible, the Lord says he does, God says he does not, he's not pleased with the death of the wicked, and neither should we. What I'm pleased with is that an innocent man was kept alive. Was protected by his neighbor, his fellow man. Yeah. That's great. That's the great story. Bruce, I appreciate you check it in and be well.

Thanks for sharing the story over there at the apartment complex, and hopefully things will remain peaceful, okay? Yeah, thanks for having me. All right, you take care. Take care, Bruce, Bruce Edwards. 733. Mark is here. Let me go to Mark. Mark, it's Pebble in your shoe Tuesday.

You got a big one today? What's up? Well, it's this 15-238. The paperwork, of course, they always put the pros and cons. I don't know if anybody noticed there were no cons. Well, someone would have had to have paid to have opposed it in the voter. was a pamphlet and so well my question in this is how long is it going to take two percent to come up with all that money so how is they're not going to use that to build the thing so

where's the money coming from to build the stupid thing well remember 90 percent of it according to the supporters of this 90 percent of it will be uh will be private and the 10 percent is about seed money i guess to get the ball rolling so it's not going to build the complex, so to speak, it's going to be paying for a portion of it after it is completed. That was how it was related to me by counselor Nick Card last week. When we discussed this, okay? So in other words, the money doesn't go to the developer, whoever ends up on negotiating this right away. It's after the convention center is finished and completed, then here's the cities 10% coming from the hotel, motel tax.

Do you get me on that? Yeah, still don't trust them. Okay. I appreciate the call then. Thanks for the call, Mark. All right? That's a big pebble. We'll just see what the voters say.

Voter say, and you must put it into the ballot box today if you are going to vote on that. Don't mail it at this point, okay? 735 will catch up on the rest of the news here, too, and former state senator Herman Berchiger will be kicking around politics and more coming up. If you have care experience and want to run your own small business, opening an adult... News Talk 1063, KMET. This is the Bill Myers Show. So glad to have you here on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday, and we have former state senator, Herman Bairchicker,

who is going to be running for the Josephine County Republican Party chair. Just kidding here, Herman. How are you doing? How are you, didn't you, Bill? Oh, I'm doing fine. By the way, I don't even want to touch that whole thing that's going on this morning. But, you know, there's always a lot of drama in our politics, that's for sure. I want to focus on the one that we have some control over, though, right now.

And that is the slimyness that we're seeing, well, I'm hoping we can control this somehow with public pressure. But the slimy action by our governor, and I don't like to use the term slimy, but I think it's appropriate for Governor Kotech on the way she is slow walking or dragging. her feet on signing the gasoline tax increase in the transportation bailout bill, et cetera, et cetera, that was supposed to save us from all. But she's trying to make sure that democracy doesn't have its say over what the legislature did, right? Isn't that really what we're dealing with right now?

It is the absolute word, Bill. I mean, here was a very controversial bill, a tax bill. and she couldn't get it. It was her baby. She could not get it passed in the long session. So she had to call a special session. She barely got it passed in the special session. They literally had to wheel Senator Gorsick in on a wheelchair as he's extremely sick.

And boy, you look at the pictures and he definitely was sick. Yep. And she got it passed. And she has 30 days to sign the bill after the adjourning of the special session. And the special session adjourned when and how much time does she have to slow walk it, apparently? Slow walk her pen, I guess. You know, I don't have that date. It was September, October or something.

So it's early November. And so now you've got to remember on the testimony, public testimony, testimony, 90% of the public testimony was not in favor of the bill. 90%. Yeah, and 10% of the public that was in favor of it. Most of them, I think, were either county, county officials, and you hear some county officials that were going there, and also state public employees. Wasn't that the case? Most of them? Yes. And so her deadline to sign it is November 12th. She's going to wait right up to the last day. Because the clock has been ticking.

So to gather signatures to put it on the ballot is 60 days, or something like that. So they have until December 30th to get the signatures, but they cannot start gathering the signatures until she signs the bill. This is one of the most dishonest things I've seen a politician ever do. absolutely amazing. Are there any Democrats with a conscience over this at this point that you're aware of? Oh, hey, Senator Jeff Golden's telling her to sign it. Yes, there are a few of them. Yeah, Democrats aren't real happy with Jeff Golden these days, though.

Maybe that's choosing to ignore that, maybe. I don't know. Right. Right. And so, you know, if they gather enough signatures, 78,000 signatures, which is not in the grand scheme of things, It's not going to be impossible to do that in 30 days. But it's over the holidays and everything. Oh, that makes it a lot tougher, right?

People's minds turn off and they're thinking about turkey and cranberry and arguing about whether cranberry gel, jelly, or homemade cranberry sauce is better, right? That's the sort of stuff they get into. That's right. And so this is the most sneaky, dishonest thing. I'm just sick over it, you know, and I hope the citizens of the state of Oregon are sick over it, too. I mean, this is so bad. It doesn't get any worse than this, Bill.

I want to ask you, do you think that this is, in some ways, a get-even deal for Senator Golden? Because Senator Golden is not in great shape from what I'm told, related to me, behind the scenes from his own caucus there. because it was Governor Kotech that, of course, told, you know, really the only reason we'd get that fire, that fire map bill taken away is that Governor Kotech told him to get rid of it, to get it gone, to make it go away. You know, I don't know. I'm just, I'm not on the inside anymore, so I just. Yeah, but you understand. I'm thinking it's like, okay, you're telling me to get rid of the fire thing. Okay, I want you to have your gas tax bill and everything else.

So, you know, up before the voters, that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I, it could be, but I don't know. All right. But I do, I do know holding off, you know, the 30 days so they don't have the entire 90 days to collect signatures is, it's criminal. This just goes again.

This is absolutely criminal. But that's Cotech. That is Cotech. This really shows her colors. Do you think Governor Brown would have signed it right away to give it a chance? What do you think? From what you know about Cape Brown. Yeah, she may have.

You know, that was a different environment. You have different people pushing on. It was different people in the mix. So I would say there would probably have been a pretty good chance she would have signed it. Yeah, I thought so too. But the one thing you'll say, though, I think Governor Kotech is definitely a cold, political operator. Fair enough. Would that be the way to look at this right now? She's an activist. She's not a leader. She's not a leader of the people. She's an activist.

Okay. And she's still behaving like an activist. She is not behaving like a person that represents all the citizens of Oregon. Do you know how many signatures would have to be gathered in a very short amount of time, if or when the governor does do it? Because we only have 60 days to do it. Yeah, I think it's under 60 days. I think it's, uh, I think it's, uh, $78,000, if I recall. I think that's doable. I think that's doable, though. It would be hard, though.

It would be a lot of work to get that done right away, no down. Yeah, but, I mean, they're all geared up, and they got the money. They got the infrastructure in place, so once she signs it, they're going to hit the ground running. Yeah, that part is good. You know, the, I guess a lawsuit, I haven't read the whole story yet, but did you hear that apparently when the petitioner who was trying to get Kate Brown I'm sorry, Tina Kotech

rather, removed from office, you know, the recall, the recall deal, they gave him a county recall instead of a statewide recall, and so there were no signatures gathered officially for that. Did you hear about that? It's wild. Yeah, well, that's a pretty heavy list

to get a governor recalled. Oh, I'm the first. to agree with you. I was not in favor of this. I just thought that it was going to take much-needed energy away from it. But apparently the state, either the state or the county, I'm not exactly sure. They're going to be

filing a lawsuit about it because they gave him forms for a county recall instead of a state recall. So even though they gathered signatures, they don't count, because it's the wrong form. So that's what's going on with that one. Well, I'm for recall in Kotech issue, but

I will say it's such a heavy lift. doubt it'll happen. Yeah. It's kind of like, well, we know that there's going to be a lot of Democrats that are going to cross the aisle and vote Republican next year, right, Herman? Just like Republicans cross the aisle and vote for the Democrats. We vote for the people, right? They're the same way, right? Yeah, well, I'll search around and find my tub of pixie dust to throw up in the air. Okay. I know that. I'm looking at various state representatives and and leaders and such, and it'll be interesting. Hey, did you watch, I'm just spitballing with you at the moment.

Did you watch Dwayne Younger? I did not get a chance to watch Dwayne Yonker yesterday on the Ingram angle, because I was busy with other things getting ready for today. Did you see that by chance? No, I didn't. I did. Okay, maybe. I mean, how did he weasel in on that one, I wonder?

Well, he's good for him. Yeah, well, he's been out in Washington, D.C. over the last week. I guess he's telling me he's coming back, you know, later this week. and I'm going to talk with him on Thursday's show, but I was just wondering if you saw him. If not, if not, we'll just let that go. Hey, I wanted to ask you before you take off, Herman, an opinion on the filibuster. Now, I have an opinion. President Trump is talking about wanting to break the filibuster and just use the nuclear option

and get the government, the rest of the federal government back open again. And then if the Democrats want to negotiate fine, there are a couple of ways of looking at this. Some people I know, and I have great respect for, say, hey, you know, the Democrats just want the Republicans to break the filibusters, so they want the Republicans to be the one to break it. Trump just wants to get back to business, but other people are saying, well, you know, we shouldn't do this because, you know, then when the Democrats are back in power, they'll break the filthabuster and this and the other. And I don't know, is it good policy, in your opinion, politically, to not do something because you're afraid that the opposite side will use the same tactic, which is legal when they have power? What do you think in this case? Well, I think I like the way Oregon does it.

So in Oregon and the Senate, it's a simple majority vote on everything except raising taxes. And in raising taxes, it's got to be a two-thirds vote. So that's how I would like to say. see it. Okay. So, I think that really works well. So 51 votes, you get your budget. Would you want, would you want a larger majority like Oregon does for confirming a senator per se? What do you think? Confirming a senator? Yeah. Confirming a... Oh, I'm sorry. Confirming a judge, let's say, something like that. You know, I think that would be a good discussion to have, too. I'm just curious, Because I know you've been a state senator.

You've been in the senator, not U.S. senator, but still you've been in the Senate. But all this mundane business, the budgets and stuff like that, I think should just be a simple majority vote. Okay. All right. We'll see. And then we wouldn't have the, we wouldn't have what was this, you know, I look at Senator Wyden's Facebook page. I know as nauseating as that sounds, but I do. You are a brave man.

Congratulations. All right. I type in there when he's. He is just throwing out the most, he is pandering to the extreme left. He's not just panning, he's not pandering to the left. He's pandering to the extreme left. And when he talks about all this, I always write in there, what is your solution, senator, to the national debt?

Never replies. The other thing I put in there a lot is I say, instead of worrying about the 42 million people that aren't going to get SNAP. If I was a senator, I would be worrying about why do we have 42 million people on SNAP? You know? That's the bigger question when you have one out of six. When you have one out of six or one out of seven people, this is indicative that your economy is not robust enough or not broad-based enough that people are able to.

afford their own food. Well, I think it's appalling that a senator, what's he like, 40 years into this. Yeah. A senator that's been there that long is applauding, applauding that we have these many people on SNAP. And what does SNAP stand for, Bill? Supplemental, okay? Supplemental Nutrition Agriculture Program.

Mm-hmm. Supplemental. It is not meant to be. it's not meant to be your, you know, your permanent supplement, in other words, right? It's not supposed to pay for all your food. It's supposed to supplement your food, okay? And it's not supposed to be permanent. But yet this senator is cheering on that we have all these people that need snap to survive. That's insane. Well, it comes right down to it, Herman. You know that, that Senator Wyden is, is mathematically challenged, as are many people that are thinking that there's nothing to see here,

just pass the budget and keep the Obamacare subsidies going, because it's the Unaffordable Care Act, right? Well, his behavior is somewhat similar to our past president, President Biden. I think he's starting to suffer from the same thing, President Biden. Okay. I mean, he looked, look at the photos of him and what he says and stuff. I don't know. I don't get it. And I don't get the person that lives in Oregon, the person that lives in Oregon, that votes for him. I don't get that either.

Ooh, pumpkin. I always remember that one about pumpkin, how scary Portland is. Ooh, pumpkin. By the way, I just haven't had a good authority. Janet just ended up emailing me and said that Yunker was not on yesterday. And Laura Ingram was off yesterday, another host, and a friend who watched that Younger was not on the show. We were told that he was going to be on. Okay, maybe he'll get rescheduled.

But he's in D.C. this week. So needless to say, maybe his star is rising there because maybe there's a real conservative in Oregon. I guess there had to be one to drop by there, huh? Oh, you've got more than one, but I'm glad we have Dwayne in there. I really am glad, trust me. All right. Well, I'll talk with him on Thursday. We'll get the latest in what's going on.

So he's swimming around in the swamp. Let's hope he does not become the swamp, okay? That's all we can say. All right. All right. Take care, Herman. Sounds good. Former Senator Herman, Berchiger.

And, yeah, I don't think that, I don't think we have any worry about Dwayne becoming a swamp monster. That is for sure. It's 755, KMED. If you're searching for the best breakfast schedule.