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Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Danielle Bethell is running as a Republican for Oregon Governor and we discuss her background and positions. D62 quiz and other topics.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Daniel Bethel joins me. Danielle is running for governor as a Republican. Now, no, she is not suffering from a delusions or depression or anything else. I'm glad to have you heard.

You know, Daniel, Danielle, anytime there's someone running for governor, of Oregon right now there's a part of me just wants to joke a little bit and say okay you are crazy right or are you not crazy but anyway welcome thank you and you know what there's nothing wrong with that it's a complete fair one curiosity in my opinion because anybody who runs for governor absolutely must have a screw loose in some way yeah but in this case we're hoping for a good screw loose okay that's uh that's what we're looking for by the way you can find out more about her Danielle Bethel, B-E-T-H-E-L-F-Governor.com, all right? And we'll talk about more of that here lately.

So you're tossing your hat in there for governor as a Republican. Tell us a little bit about yourself for people who don't know about you. Marion County area is where you are, right? Yeah, yes. So I'm a fifth generation Oregonian. So I've been here for a bit. My family is a part of the timber industry. I married into the timber industry.

and I have a pretty unique life story. In fact, I used to live down in the Phoenix talent area as a child. I was a talent Mustang for a couple of years through elementary and then spent some time at Phoenix Elementary. So I'm used to the area. I have a lot of friends down there. At the end of the day, I'm a Marion County Commissioner. I've been serving my county here for over just about five years.

And I have been dismayed, probably the plight. way to put it as somebody who runs a large government in Oregon at the lack of leadership, not just in the governor's office, but also in the legislature, and the peer unwillingness for individuals to work together for essentially the common good, but it's a greater outcome for Oregonians. And I'm very good at my job, and I know what the job of the governor is, And I feel very confident that with the ability to get in front of individuals and explain to them the difference between legislators and executives, folks will have a new awareness and interest in how Oregon can be run with me in that seat. Now, one of the things is your job is to set up dissatisfaction with the current executive. I don't think you're going to have to work too hard to come up with Republican dissatisfaction with Tina Kotech, but I could be wrong.

What is your overall? Yeah. You know, what? Yeah, so, I mean, she's not liked by just about anybody in the state, regardless of whether you're a conservative or a socialist. I mean, people are really, really angry with her. What my job is going to be over the next few months in order to win the primary is to create the distinction between me and the other candidate that has entered into the race.

And that's an uphill battle, and I recognize that. but there's nothing that's worth having that comes easy, in my opinion. And so I'm going to work really hard to make sure Oregonians understand who can actually win in November and beat that Democrat. Danielle, you have a plumbing company? Yeah, my husband and I own a small business called Bethel plumbing. Okay, very good. All right. And you're a county commissioner.

Okay, that's fine. what is your evaluation of the Oregon business economy or the way businesses are treated in this state? And what might you change then? Of course, this would also benefit your own company, but it would benefit everybody else's companies too. Where did Oregon go wrong in your view? And what could you do to fix that? Yeah. So before I was a county commissioner, I was a chamber executive.

So I ran a chamber of commerce for a number of years. And I can tell you exactly where we went wrong. We started acting at the state level as if money was something that we can just steal out of people's bank accounts instead of valuing their participation and investment. There's not a single business owner that I know that I've ever worked with that is unwilling to participate in the greater good. There's a lot of need for individuals like veterans, seniors, people with disabilities, children. and pick a topic where it's a vulnerable population and business owners, excuse me, or individuals in general are happy to share in their gain of life to create a good culture of livability. I don't exactly understand how the governor today, former Governor Brown, and many members of the Oregon

legislature have such an unawareness as to where the dollars in this state come from and how difficult it is to be a business in Oregon. We essentially have a mentality of if you open a business, we're just going to steal everything that you earn. Yeah, yeah, you're a mule to be taxed, right? A financial mule, essentially. Yes. Yes.

And so, like, for example, this year, 2025, the Oregon legislature, had $18 billion new dollars to navigate in the state fund. That is on the backs of businesses in Oregon. It is absurd. And it's unnecessary. It's dollars we don't need. When they push through the cat tax, the corporate activity tax, they didn't listen to industry partners who said,

we can't afford this. We're not going to absorb this and just eat it into our revenues. We're going to pass this on. We're going to pass it on to employees and to customers and et cetera, et cetera. And while some of them were aware of that, I don't think they understood the impact. And it's not just tax collection in Oregon. It's also the layers and layers and layers of ridiculous regulation that comes from the state and then is layered on top of local government and then through local government

with different expectations for those communities. I would imagine when it comes to in the plumbing industry, you would certainly understand that, right? The codes and the permits and whatever. whatever is not permitted is required, right? You know, it's like... Yes, it's not even just that, though. I mean, in that industry, in any trade industry in the state, it's difficult to get people into the industry

and then have a journeyman, like my husband, be able to mentor an apprentice or multiple apprentices because the industry at the state level through the Bureau of Labor and Industry and their policies and regulations are difficult to navigate. And they essentially try to control these individual entities. For example, we just had a law pass that imposes a regulation on large corporations that do construction that essentially says that if you hire subcontractors and they, for whatever

reason, don't pay their wages to their employees, even if you've already paid them as a business, you're on the hook to pay those wages. So it's a roll up. Yeah, you're responsible for somebody else paying their employees, right? Right. Yes. But even if you can improve that you've paid that contractor, you still have to pay them again. That is already across the state causing an uproar. Lots of different people from the industries are meeting trying to figure out how that's even legal and how it's manageable. And it's frankly just not because what it does is it opens up the door for what I believe is probably a minority of the industry to just be awful. And there's no accountability for them.

That's not acceptable to me. The lack of accountability awareness and just peer partnership in Oregon for our business industry is kind of at least be speechless, but absurd comes to mind. All right. Danielle Bethel is with me. Danielle Bethel for governor.com. She's running for governor as a Republican. It's been a while since a Republican won the governorship in Oregon. What do you believe makes you different that could actually attract more than just a hard partisan? Yeah. So, I mean, the real distinction between me and any other candidate that's ever run on the conservative side on the Republican ticket is, A, my life story. And B, I'm an executive today. I'm not going to stand on a stage or get on a commercial or put out a soundbite that's just saying small words. I'm in the weeds today. I literally know how the government is functioning and how the systems can be changed from the inside out.

Oregon for too long has been run from the top down, and I know how to reverse that and have it be run from the bottom up from real communities, towns and cities and counties across the state, reestablishing culture through communication and partnership and forcing the state through the governor's office to really become a true partner and return back to their original mission. every state agency has mission creep that is excessive and costly and unnecessary. And that happens when you have somebody in a leadership position that doesn't understand what they're hearing. When you have a governor that comes into the office and sits down with an agency head or even a legislator for that matter and has their own agenda versus just coming in to manage and steer the ship or right the ship if necessary. You know, to your point here, Daniel, I wanted to just bring up, what could you as governor

do to reverse the deindustrialization because that's essentially what Oregon has been on for a number of years now. We're not going to do anything really important, you know, essentially. And you do that. A lot of it, a lot of this has been accomplished through executive orders. I would term it, you know, gangrene, the climate-friendly, equitable communities. And we're going to say, okay, no coal here. we're going to run the world on sustainable, intermittent, chaotic power, and then industry, you know, more or less looks at this and says, hey, I'm out of here, okay? Yeah, on top of the corporate activity tax, what could you do as governor to remedy that? Yeah, well, for starters, as you've seen on the national platform, an executive order is essentially

just an agreement that the executive made. it can be undone by the next executive. So reversing and eliminating several executive orders. For example, Governor Kotech signed an executive order last December for the climate protection plan, which is forcing the Department of Environmental Quality to essentially create a system that eliminates natural gas across the state, which is complete ridiculousness. I would absolutely eliminate that executive order. and I would also require thoughtful planning.

You know, there's a lot of regulation that has to be rolled back through rulemaking that happens behind closed doors with limited attention from the public on purpose. The legislature on purpose creates these high-level policies without detail so that way the public doesn't know what's going to happen. And then they assign it to a state agency and then they go into their little cave and they create all these rules and they send out an email saying, hey, look over here real quick, what do you think? Tell us about it. But nobody knows where to look. They're not notified for that. I'm going to change that platform. I don't think it's appropriate

for state agencies to making rules and policies behind the back to the public without their input. That's the job of the legislature, and they need to be held accountable for that. So as the governor, I will make sure that rulemaking comes to a screeching halt and force the legislature to do the real policymaking work that they're supposed to do. Yeah, yeah, in other words, not just offloading all of the, you know, all of the rulemaking to the bureaucracy, which, of course, is gender-driven from the looks of it, at least. That's right. Okay. Yeah, and then, you know, on the topic of environmentalism, I don't know a single Oregonian that doesn't want to live in a healthy, clean environment that's sustainable for their children and grandchildren, et cetera.

I'm in that category. I'm raising children and grandchildren, and I want them to, you know, have clean air and water and soil, et cetera. Yeah, I don't think there are many Oregonians. burning tires for heating their home, okay? Yeah, I think we can... Yeah, right. Well, I mean, unless you're in Portland in a homeless camp, which that is actually happening and unregulated. Totally an unbalanced system. But, yeah, and that is, I'm not just saying that flippantly. Like, that is actually true. I spend time in the camps in the Portland area and in the Lambet Valley, I can see exactly what's happening. And we are having a one-sided

conversations. We don't have anybody who actually wants to create a real plan and have real hard conversations and just call out the facts, and then ask the public what they want. How would you approach that homelessness situation since you ended up by bringing that up, Daniel? Yeah. So actually, it's a primary policy area that I work on as a county commissioner right now. And I can tell you that some of the very first things that I will bring to the awareness of Oregonians is that we have policies driven from the governor's office, again, designed through rulemaking and state agencies that utilize taxpayer dollars to produce what's called low barrier or no barrier systems of care.

And that essentially means no rules, go ahead and shoot up drugs and we've got a place for you, right? Yes, yes. And when a non-profit organization, you know, community-based organization takes those state dollars, they must comply with those rules. Oregon Housing and Community Services has a slew of rules that these recipients of dollars must comply with, which I appreciate because I like accountability and taxpayer dollars, but the design of those systems are not working. and we need to be able to have ownership in our communities, community behavioral expectations, and that's different for all 36 counties and all 200-plus cities in Oregon. The governor needs to be able to work within those jurisdictions to, first of all,

understand the exact problem, which I have a really good handle on. I've spent the last three years in leadership statewide as a county commissioner working in every single county in Oregon, understanding what my peers are navigating. And I can tell you, I mean, just yesterday, the news released the point in time count for the metro area for Washington Clackamas and Multnomah counties. And they reported that in two years, the rate of homelessness increased by almost 50%. But yet the governor in 2023 issued an executive order and has spent well over a billion dollars on the issue, only to make it worse. And that's very basic. It's

because of her policies and the way that they operate. Now, is it the lack of treatment? Is it still the tacit acceptance of a street drug shooting up? I mean, how would you see it and what would you do? Well, it's all of those things, but it starts from this mentality of the right to fail. So the Democrats in Oregon believe in this version of compassion where people have a right to fail and failing out wherever they exist, I suppose, is fine by them. I'll use Portland as an example, Multnomah County specifically. I'm going to pick on them a little bit, and I value some of their commissioners and work with them for the record. They, when House Bill 4,02, which was the recriminalization bill that I was, I spearheaded

and participated in the success of in the 2024 legislative session was passed. Every county was told that they need to design a program essentially that takes people off the streets that are having issues with substance use and find them access to care. And yes, we have a significant shortage. of beds for inpatient treatment for not just substance use, but also mental health. I mean, Oregon has 3,000 beds shy of a system necessary to support mental health. That's a problem. And that started 25 years ago in the legislature, deinstitutionalized the state.

But Mulnomer County created a program. They spent a lot of money creating new programs, and the officers in Portland can pick somebody up who's doing drugs. breaking the law and take them over to, you know, a shelter, and there's no accountability. They just turn around and walk right back out of the shelter. Maybe they got a meal, but there's no accountability. Well, the Supreme Court has, you know, kind of taken the shackles off of Oregon, but the executive and the legislature, frankly, have kept the shackles on towns.

I mean, grants pass, especially, as you know, is always in court. It has been doing many court battles over these issues then. What could you then change about this to tip that balance as governor? Yeah, so you're referring to House Bill 3-1-1-5, which is a bill that was passed, to ratify the grant's past decision is what we call it in the court, in the legislature. That needs to be overturned. In fact, there's actually an active referendum right now that will be pushed out to voters to add signatures to get that on the ballot so voters can decide whether they want,

people to live on the streets the way they're living on the street so that's that's practically something that we're going to have to do then as voters first okay all right you can't go against that but unfortunately yes and and it's going to be on the ballot because these signatures will be collected I have no no doubt about it in November of 2026 so while the governor race is occurring there's also to be several initiatives for voters to look at and the the homelessness issue is one of them because the legislature in 27 um could do something about it, but it's unlikely they will. So we need to have voters make the decision on their own and then force the legislature, who could screw it up again, by being totally honest, because

when a referendum is passed, it goes to the legislature to ratify in statute. And they get it wrong more often than not. There are real successful programs. I run many of them in Marion County that are scalable at the state level and can be adoptable by any jurisdiction in Oregon. All right. Well, this is just an initial kind of get to know you a little bit. I'm sure we'll be talking more as this primary season goes on. We've got a long way to go at this point, right? Yes, sir, and I appreciate the opportunity to come on and just share my voice and some ideas and a little bit of my passion. I'm pretty fired up about this work. There's a lot to do in Oregon. I'll actually be down in the Medford area next week on the 12th for some meetings

and it opened to conversations and meet and greets anywhere in Oregon, so I hope people lean in and reach out. Well, have your people talk with my people, which means talk with me, And if you have time, come on in. All right, we'll get you in. Yeah, that's great. I will. Thank you so much. Danielle Bethel, Danielle Bethel for Oregon.

Let me try this again. Danielle Bethel for governor.com. All right. We'll get all that information up. And Danielle, good talking, all right. Good to hear from you. Have a great Wednesday. Thank you.

734 at KMED, KBXG. An intelligent solution is influenced by timing. This is the Bill, We'll catch up with the rest of the news here in just a moment. We have open phones and a bunch more here on Wheels Up Wednesday. What did you think about Daniel Bethel? I also have requests from Christine Drazen come on the show too. And we're going to try to get her on sometime this week, either probably not tomorrow,

maybe Friday on Friday show, but those are the two Republican candidates so far. But interesting, you know, she is an existing executive. That's a plus because it is an executive position that we're looking for. here, right? Tall lift. I mean, we all know that, right? I mean, it's a tall lift. Any Republican running for governor, but we'll see. Get your opinion. 7705-633. We talked a bit about the homelessness crisis there at the end of that talk with Danielle Bethel. It's an interesting story. I wanted to make sure you knew about something tells me this is not going

to get a lot of reporting because it doesn't do the right thing. And because remember Portland, City Councilor, Candice, Avalos's townhome caught on fire earlier in October. Remember that? At least a shed out back caught on fire. And the first thing she was saying, obviously, this is a racist attack.

This was a racist attack. Well, they ended up arresting the guy that ended up, well, they're accused of setting that shed on fire. And his name Vashon M. Locust. Boy, how'd you like to grow up with that name?

Vashon M. Locust. Locust. He's a little buggy, right? Yeah, homeless. Reckless burning, second-degree mischief, trespassing. He's charged of going into the Portland City Councilor's shed and using a outlet to try to get warm, using a power outlet in there. And then when that didn't work, ended up setting a fire in the shed,

which then burned the shed down. and so that's what ended up happening. I ended up burning down the shed, damage the home, her vehicle, things like that. So it was not a racist attack. Yes, it was the concrete campers of the Portland area. 739. Hi, good morning. This is Bill.

Who's this? Welcome. Hey, Bill is Brad. Good, why, to you? Yeah, morning, Brad. How you doing? Hey, good, good, good. You know, I'm from Plama Falls, kind of a, you know,

you call it a little, you know, kind of country first still in Oregon. Sure. I was shocked to find out that one of the largest owners of American land in China has a company that's going to launch this gigantic solar project over in Klamov County, and the commissioners have said, yeah, that's okay with us. I mean, this thing is huge. It's got 400,000 solar panels is what the news article said. Can you believe that?

Yeah. That's pretty big. Now, what was there something that the, the Klamath County Commission could have said no to it? I mean, did it need a conditional permit of some sort? Because, you know, solar farms are politically favored in this state. You know that, brother, Brad. Well, yeah, but, you know, a couple things. So solar farms are limited. So you can do a solar farm, so-called solar farm without permit, I think up to 20 acres. Anything over 20 acres, You've got to go through an approval process, but the thing that's interesting to me is, is it turns out that this project is not some American corporation, and the properties that they're going to build it on, is not owned by an American corporation. It's owned by one of the largest owners of American land, but based in China. So I had no idea that this Chinese company owned a gigantic chunk of Clameth County. You have Clameth County. So, hey, Yankee boy, you sell us farmland, and then we put, you know, solar farm on you instead of real farm.

Because data, because data center, right? Right, Yankee boy? Well, Bill, it gets better than that. So you got this Chinese corporation buys the land, knowing what they're going to do with it, goes through this approval process. And what are they paying for this land with? they're paying for it was subsidies that are provided by who, the American taxpayer, the ratefair. Oh, yikes. So here's, here's Oregon, right?

We'll just... So essentially we're paying, essentially we're paying a rival of the United States of America to be here. To buy the land and to get the subsidized, and of course, they're making the panels, too, right? Yeah, right. They're making the panels. They're buying our land with subsidies that they get from American. rate payers to make them in this is insane bill uh well this is oregon

interesting story i'm going to have to look that story up uh brad go ahead and email me that okay i like to find out more about it my email bill of bill mire's show dot com oh we catch up all the rest of the news here taking your calls and i'll tell you it maybe we need a pallet cleanser how about a diner 62 real american quiz afternoes let's do that instead all right 7705 633 770 KMED. We'll talk about some American history, and I have a $20 gift certificate for you so you can go get yourself a great lunch, great breakfast, whatever it is, just amazing food at Diner 62. If you are hungry after going to Diner 62, you have a hormonal problem, get that checked, and go in see your Obamacare imaginary friend known as your primary care provider. Okay, 770-KMED. We'll play that next. Oregon Truck and Auto Authority is your tono cover source. Tano covers are a great way to see a call. Hi, I'm Michael, Gage of Construction, and I'm on KMED.

It is time for the Diner 62, Real American Quiz. Diner 62, like I said, just amazing breakfasts and lunch. Hot open-faced sandwiches are back. Choose the pot-roast sandwich served with mashed potatoes and brown gravy. Or the hot turkey with mashed potatoes gravy and cranberry sauce. Cranberry sauce? There's no such thing as too much cranberry sauce, in my opinion. you, okay? And remember Clam Chowder Friday and a bunch more, okay?

Diner 62, just south of White City. So, we have a number of people light up right now, but still one open line. But let us go to Lauren. Lauren, you play often and don't win very often. But it's good to have you on. Welcome. How you been? Thank you very much. I love it. Okay. You love it. Let's see if we can make you a winner this time. Who knows? Ah, please. All right. Now, it is today in history, November 5th, 1872. 48 years before American women's got the right to vote with the 19th Amendment, pioneering women's right activist Susan B. Anthony illegally attempts to cast a vote in the presidential election.

Anthony, who had devoted five decades of her life to women's suffrage, gets arrested two weeks later. She's tried and convicted the next year. Now, in written testimony, Beverly Jones, a Rochester poll official in the election that pitted Ulysses S. Grant against Horace Greely, described the confrontation. According to Jones, Anthony, had approached him in a barbershop after setting up a voter registration site before the election and challenged him about the 14th Amendment, which guarantees many rights to citizens, Lauren. Now, she wanted to know, this is the quote from him. She wanted to know if under that she was a citizen and had a right to vote, Jones wrote. And at this time, the supervisor said, young man, how are you going to get around that? I think you'll have to register their names or something to that effect. So the question this morning, Lauren, what was Susan B. Anthony's punishment after being convicted for trying to register to vote as a woman? Was it A. No punishment. Walked free. B. Community service at a local orphanage. Was it C. One day in jail. Was it D. A hundred dollar fine or E. One day of cooking and laundry at the jail. It's one of those five. What do you think? I'm going to take one day of cooking and washing laundry at the jail. Yeah, doing women's work, right?

That's what they would probably say, right? No, no. And by the way, I'm not saying that's women's work. All right. Yeah, but thanks for trying. All right. Let me go. Next one.

By the way, there's an open line, 7705-633. We got Dan. Hello, Dan. What's going on? Hi. How you doing? Doing fine. So it wasn't one day of cooking and laundry at the jail.

How did they punish Susan B. Anthony for getting up and thinking she had a right to vote? Was it, A, no punishment, walked free, B, community service in an orphanage, C, one day in jail, or $100 fine. What do you say? Well, let's go community day in an orphanage. Community service head of orphanage. Great guess. It's not the one, but thank you, Dan. Let me go to the next one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Yeah, this is Jeff. Jeff. All right. So it's not community service. It's not one day of cooking at the jail. No punishment. She got off free. One day in jail or a $100 fine.

What do you say? How about $100 fine? $100 fine. You're a way! Yeah. Now, the thing is, $100 fine in 1872. Jeff, that was a lot of money in those days. That was huge.

Yeah. Anthony, who tried to vote along with 14 other women, none of whom were indicted, taken to jail December 26th day after Christmas, 1872. In her federal court case in June 1873, she unsuccessfully argued. that the 14th Amendment gave her the right to vote as a citizen of the U.S. Judge Ward Hunt instructed the jury to issue a guilty verdict without any deliberation, no arguments. Anthony found guilty and fined $100. But you'll be interested to know about this, Jeff.

She never paid it. Never paid the fine. So there we go. Hang on. We'll send you off to Diner 62. It's like, okay, you can find me. What are you going to do? No debtor's prison.

Well, maybe there was debtor's prison in the United States at that point. It was 1872, all right? Hang on. We'll have another Diner-62 quiz coming up soon. A lot today, but maybe tomorrow, okay? When it comes to buying or selling a house, you don't take advice from artificial intelligence. Hey, it's Lars, a good wireless company that actually stands for something.

Pure Talk. Welcome to the Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. Give Bill a call at 541-770-5633. That's 770 KMED. Two or three or more things on my mind this morning, 7705-633. Measure 15-238, looks like it's passing. It's about 3% margin. It's what it is.

79, 72, no, 85-43, yes. So about 600-vote margin between the no and yes. So 15-238, the Creekside Quarter, transient lodging tax that could be raised in by the Metford City Council, 11 to 13. percent so an extra 2 percent on the hotel motel bills here when people come to stay in Medford and this is supposedly going to be the kickstart funding for Creekside quarter half billion potentially half billion dollar deal and I can't say I'm exactly surprised and it's almost closer than I thought it was going to be I made it pretty clear I was not in support of this because I don't trust the Medford City Council to pull off this kind of thing and maybe my

trust is misplaced, but I remember a number of years ago. Now, oh, I have to be fair, you know, Counselor Nick Card made it clear that, no, we are not going to do anything. We know better than, you know, raise your utility fees in order to do this. So instead we're going to tax hotels to give them more competition, I guess. But I guess ultimately the hope is to be a rainmaker and have more people traveling. To Medford, and whether this can pencil long term, No, the details are actually relatively sparse at the moment because there are no contracts to talk about, you know, at this point.

But I guess this would give them the ability that once a, you know, once we end up having a functioning hotel in the retail space and the conference rooms, et cetera, et cetera, then the $50 million could be handed over to whichever lucky developer ends up getting. the deal gets the deal pushed through so that's where we find ourselves at this point and do you have an opinion one way or the other on this one now that it does appear to be winning now it's not official but it looks like it's a pretty good margin i don't know we're going to get another three percent though to to tip this at this point what could we do you think to make sure that the city council follows through on its promises because I remember how deceptive a past city council was when it came to the Aquatic Center funding because they ended up selling a tax hike back at that time.

You know, we raised these taxes on the car rentals, et cetera, et cetera, from the tourists because we're going to make the tourists pay for the Aquatic Center. And a lot of people bought that line, hook, line, and sinker, but yet the part that they downplayed at that time, was oh yeah but we refinanced to the the ball field you know the southern metford uh ball field bond you know the at that time the u.s. cellular park uh bond that was paying that off we refinanced that and yeah we're going to keep charging you on your utility fees something which had actually been paid off right they that's how they accomplished that and it was very deceptive it really

was kind of a bait and switch in my view and they promised they're not going to do it this time say no utility fee hikes, nothing like that, no property tax hikes. Of course, the property tax is almost impossible to get passed right now. Anyway, do you think it's going to be okay? Might it be one of the best things that ever happened here to Medford? What do you think about that? I have my doubts. I don't want to rain on the parade, but the parade is going to be coming one way or the other. So how would you best work that, okay? How would you be, how could we best supervise, I guess, and make sure that we don't have a white elephant ball stating him at some point if that's the case. I'm not saying that we will.

But no, no, no, we'll see what happens with the Eugene Emerald. Okay, 7705-633-7-0-K-M-ED. Other questions running through my mind is, of course, the election of a communist mayor. I know they say Democratic Socialists. Democratic Socialists of America, DSA is just a codename. It's a, you know, commas. It might as well be Communist Party USA, okay? So we have a communist mayor.

We have a communist in Virginia just in the closet, a little more, you know, moderate, you know, that sort of thing. I was talking with Eric Peters last hour. He thinks it was just a repudiation of Trump and that it's a whole idea that people are looking for fairness. And do you think that's the case? I tend to be looking at this more of a, yeah, leftists are going to do what leftists are going to do what leftists are going to do and in Virginia I think the simplest part about it is that most of them are working for the government in northern Virginia and so it just seems to me this is the the obvious repudiation of that there could be a certain portion of this though that is about economic fairness because

President Trump did run on that looking to give normal Americans a regular shake a better shake at this. And part of it seems to be successful, but part of it seems to be kind of getting lost in the tariff arguments, you know? I don't know, is making Americans coffee, you know, doubling and tripling the cost of coffee at a bag, you know, is that going to make American great? Although, truth be told, they're going to be backing off on that. Apparently, the rules are coming out, and they're going to back across those things.

And, you know, we're not growing tariffs, so we are not growing coffee. So why are we tariffing that? But Eric was thinking, and I could kind of agree with this a little bit, that they're looking for something that would be less chaotic. And so maybe they're comfortable with socialism. I don't know. How do you see it? There are a couple of things on my mind. And by the way, the administration is in the Supreme Court today because they're having that tariff argument.

I'll be curious to see what John O'Connor thinks about this. I'm going to have him on the show tomorrow on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. because I don't know in my plain reading of the Constitution how President Trump is able to have that much tariffing power, whether I would like him to have it or not. I don't know how they're going to be able to draw from the law that Congress had, that Congress gave the president a number of years ago, for emergency tariffing power.

And is it an emergency to have these trade deficits importing more? than we actually export, but we've been doing it for decades. So why is it an emergency right now? Is it the definition of an emergency they'll be talking about? No, I think it's about the terrifying power. We'll talk to John about that tomorrow morning. Great attorney from the Bay Area, so we'll continue conversation on it. I don't know what's going to happen on this one.

I don't pretend to know. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, good morning, Bill. This is Logan. Yeah, Logan.

What's up? Hey, I can honestly say I'm not surprised. I knew we were going to get this good and hard either way. That said, if the numbers are accurate and they're truly accurate, the amount of people that are probably hearing my voice, I'd be willing to bet. The amount of people that can hear my voice, if they would have cast their no vote, we probably would have got no, if that makes sense. Oh, yeah.

It's still the same sort of thing in which people get that ballot. Oh, it's just so hard to open it up and put a little fill in the dot and then put it in the mailbox. That takes seconds. Okay. And it doesn't happen, Bill, and that's the bottom line, and I hear it all the time. Oh, you know, I got probably four to 12 of my friends off their butt to turn their ballot in, yes, they hadn't. Yeah. So there's at least 12 vote, no votes there.

But, I mean, all the people that I don't know who don't have their cell phone number to call and get them, you'd be surprised. And a lot of them say, oh, well, my vote doesn't count anyway. And I tend to agree with them. Well, I want to smack people upside the head when they say that, honestly, because my vote doesn't count anyway. Well, I assure you if you don't count it, it doesn't count. You stole my Thunderbill. Oh, sorry. Because then you're, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're insuring it.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, like a fool, even a fool's thought-wise until he opens his mouth and then removes all doubt. But even then, look at this 15-238 discussion, you know, this electionist discussion. You know, when it comes to a presidential election in the state of Oregon, yeah, you're right. Our vote probably doesn't count, or it doesn't count for much. Let's put it this way. But every single local election, it does, and it can't. Look at this. Even this, the difference between the no and the yes vote is 28 plus 548.

5171 votes at this time. 571. That is a... Yes, they're listening to you. They're right now. They're hearing you right now. Yeah. People.

And you know what? Shame on you. If you're hearing us right now and you didn't turn to that ballot, shame on you. Right, Bill? Yeah. But then they'll be willing to call and complain about what happens with his project in the future. You watch. Exactly.

You know what? Don't give them the time, Bill. Appreciate the call. I don't give them their time. You should have to be a qualifier. If you didn't vote, I don't want to hear you on the air. Yeah. Because it makes a difference in these local elections.

And of course, It does. And, of course, that's also why they put these elections on very low turnout off, you know, these special elections rather than making it part of the general election. Because would this have passed in a general election a year from now? I don't think so. No. Yeah. Appreciate the call. Thanks, Logan. This is KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, grants pass.