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Episode Date: November 7, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. It's a special conspiracy theory Thursday version of the Outdoor Report. Mr. Outdoors, Greg Roberts is here. Hello, Greg at rogueweather.com. And you've been eating tag soup up to this point.

This is why you want to give the report today, because you want to go out and get that buck finally, right? You're going to really be, well, bucking up. speak? Yeah, well, I hope I'm bucking up, but, you know, it was like, well, gee, it's going to come down to the last two days again, but, you know, what kind of opportunity am I really going to have? And honestly, if it wasn't for those darn dear conspiring against me Tuesday, we'd be on our regular schedule on Friday, and I'd have my buck, because I have been looking high and low, and I had not seen what I call a shooter buck, a big buck, running with those yet until Tuesday. And then I finally lay my eyeballs on one.

I was creeping up where I knew I saw a deer walk through, and I'm watching and watching. I was expecting to see one deer. It turned into three. A really nice forked horn buck and two does. And I see the forked horn. He didn't even see me. And I'm going, oh, here we go. Here's your chance.

Here's your chance, finally. And raise the gun, get the sights on the scope right on him. And I'm starting to do the breathing, getting nice and relaxed. And then at the last possible nanosecond, before I can pull the trigger, one of the does walks right up into the scope and blocks the shot. Oh! Yeah, shot blocked. Okay. Seriously.

Well, you know what's going on. I say, no, don't shoot him, Greg. Don't shoot him, Greg. Yeah, I love him. I don't know that she even knew I was there. Okay. Because, I mean, with a nice, wet, you know, rainy forest, it's pretty easy for you as a human now to slide around pretty quietly. And the rain was falling and there was wind blowing.

Everything I was doing was completely covered by the sound of the rain and the wind. So I don't think they ever really were as aware I was there. It's just the natural progression of things. I kept moving along, paralleling them. I kept looking for a good opportunity to shoot, and I never had one where the dough was clear, where there was no risk of hitting her. And then, of course, they worked their way into this vine maple thicket. Well, I skirted around the outside of it, never saw them again, and I'm like, oh, that's just the way it goes.

so I was looking at post the guys putting up pictures of these big bucks on the Facebook hunting groups here in Oregon and all of a sudden one thing kept being mentioned over and over again in the pictures I was seeing I blew on the grunt tube grunt tube is that is that the thing that kind of squeaks like a like a a swimming pool hose that you use no no no it is a very specialized device now now that gets made, that when you blow on it, it perfectly replicates the grunt that deer make. It's one of the very few tools that you will see the big-time hunting shows on TV, which are usually on private land in Texas killing white tails. It is one of the very few things that you can use across North America and deer will respond to as a

grunt to. Okay. And then the other thing you do, while you're grunting, you're stamping on the ground, you're making a commotion, raking brush, hitting things together, making it sound like a deer fight. And it will bring bucks on the run. And back in the early days of my hunting career, if you want to call it that, but when I was a teenager into my early 20s and I would archery hunt, grunt tubes we discovered, especially the late season archery, was a great thing to have because you start hitting that thing and bucks come running. Well, it appears the same thing's happening right now, so going to employ the grunt tube. All right, very good.

So you're going to go out today. Hopefully we'll hear about some support. Now, this is a better day, and then it's going to start drying up, and that actually makes conditions worse for the hunters this weekend. Yeah, it does. But looking at the satellite right now, there's a pretty good patching. moisture that is going to come right in over the top of us. It's coming in from the coast right now. We will definitely be seeing more rain arriving later on today, and that

will extend through tomorrow morning. Sadly, for me, though, now we have a potential day Eliminator because, unfortunately, in the middle of the night, we became all too aware that our gypsy kitty, it is time for her to go over the rainbow bridge, so we're going to attend to that this morning. Oh, I'm sorry. And I don't know if I'm going to be able to get out today. Okay. I will have tomorrow.

All right. Well, tomorrow, I wish you the best. Sorry about your gypsy kitty, though. And I know whether it's your dog, your cat, or whatever pet, we all, we like our furry friends. They're a big part of her family, no doubt. Yeah, but also, I mean, part of that, even though it sucks, is knowing when it's time, and sadly, for her, yeah, it's just it's time. All right. Hey, I'm just kind of curious.

Are we looking for a drying out to extend into next week? What is the longer-term forecast? Yeah, and this was actually a new development because at one point this week, I was really happy because it looked like the rainy weather was going to extend through the opening of Elks. season. And now, unfortunately, what we're looking at is partly cloudy skies, maybe a slight chance of a shower, fog down here in the valleys for the mornings. And that is essentially your Saturday through Tuesday forecast, which is exactly the time period that I have to really go out and hunt elk this season. Then it looks like we may see a return to the stormy weather, probably Wednesday next week as it stands right now. So if you're somebody who got the entire week off

for elk season, it's that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday thing that probably will really help people get a chance to tag a bowl. Like I said, I'm mainly Saturday through Tuesday. Maybe I might get lucky and be able to get out next Friday for a bit if it's truly raining. And if it's not well probably not okay well you're making my day here uh even though it may not be great for the elk hunters as it dries up but i've been trying to get up to nugget this week and it's just been a mess i tried going up there uh the other day and when uh somebody had uh graded the BLM road going up there but they didn't put any rock in it and so you know what it is it's so it's nice and smooth and then what is nice and smooth with all that red clay once the rain hits it right exactly

as soon as he said that i was like oh There you go. The road is now a quag buyer. If they didn't put the gravel down on it, you're right. I mean, and sometimes if that's really what I call spongy soil, you absolutely have to have a four-wheel drive with some ground clearance to get through that because otherwise I've watched vehicles sink right to the axles. Oh, it was one of those things where I know I was starting to turn into like a loony-tune version of the wild. coyote kind of like thrown into the ground and then going, you know, down the, the clays of, nope, not going up there today. Got to let it dry out a day or two. So that'll be fine.

I'll do it Monday. And honestly, I'm kind of surprised that with the communications equipment up there because it ain't just you, I don't believe anyway, I'm surprised somebody hasn't gravelled that because that's an essential bus get to and a questionable road typically for those kind of services, they're going to gravel it or put shale down all the way up to the top on it. Well, what's going to happen is that ultimately here over the next wet days, some people will go up there. They will grind some ruts in it, which exposes the rock, and then I can get up there. So then we'll be fine. Yeah. All right. Well, okay, I forget. Yeah, there's rock down below

on it, but yeah, some of these roads, it just you look at it and think, oh, that doesn't look too bad and then the next thing you know you're bogged down and you're flinging mud all over the place and you're going nowhere. Yep, that's exactly what was going on. But hey, point well taken. And hey, best of luck with your cat there. And I hope you have a good hunting tomorrow, if not sooner, if you can get out there. All right, Mr. Outdoors? Like I said, I now have the perfect tool at my disposal and it's a proven thing for me. It definitely worked back when I did do archery back in the day. So with the right conditions, with the frame of mind of the deer being madly looking for love right now, this might be the perfect thing to use.

So we're going to give it a shot and see what happens. All right, very good. Outdoor report, sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. And Greg, we'll catch you back normal time and hopefully you will tell us about not eating tag soup and you'll have some venison in the freezer, okay? Yeah, no doubt. All right. All right.

Go out there. Go get him, Tiger. Okay. Thanks, Bill. 22 after 770 56633-3-3-770 KMED. Conspiracy Theory Thursday, you're on the Bill Meyer show. One of each K-4 of N-2-Z. Good R-X. Good R-X is not insurance.

You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Now Bill wants to hear from you. 541-770-5-633. That's 720 KMED. Always left open phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. John's here in Medford. John, you've got a couple of things you want to talk. Fire away.

It's on your mind. Yes, just a little tap on the tariffs. I thought we were told for years that we've been taken advantage of by other countries. So I'd actually like to see, is that really true? Was it a lie? You know, that would be important for me to know on the tariffs. Yeah, well, the thing is that's not even really up for discussion in the Supreme Court decision. It's whether or not the presidential authority is there to do it in the first place under, you know,

emergency trade legislation that had been given and what's the definition of an emergency i guess is really what we're talking about and what is the taking advantage of uh you know it depends on who you talk to john because in some respects trade policy has been about us um being able to trade little pieces of federal reserve notes created out of thin air as credit and then get real stuff in reverse you know in return so yeah i i don't know unfortunately when you have a system like that, you end up hollowing out your industrial base over time, which we certainly have. But, hey, you had great cheap crap from Timu while it lasted, okay?

Right. And then the other part, this may or may not be a conspiracy depending on the numbers. Like, for example, we just voted on this thing downtown, the convention center, a possible ballpark. Personally, I'm not sure we need another sedentary type of sport to go sit and watch, but that's my own personal opinion. But what I'd like to know is, is there a way to find out, you know, maybe from Danny, what's the profitability of the ball fields, Rogex, Britt Hill, Expo Amphitheater, the bus system? I mean, I just think that this sort of stuff gets foisted on us by people that are kind of in the know of things,

and then it gets dumped on us when it's not profitable. Yeah, well, Danny Jordan would have nothing to do with this because he's a county administrator. This would be a city of Medford question, and as far as RBT, the profitability, there's no such thing as profitability in a transit system. It's only a matter of how much money do you lose or how much money do you have coming in to make up the difference. As an example, last time I figured it out, the typical ride on RBT costs about $15.50 and they get maybe a buck or two. coming in. So that's the actual. Okay. So that's taxpayer. It's taxpayer funding that makes up the difference, whether it's a federal grants or whether it's through the RBT, RBT, a tax district that comes in. Okay. The other thing on the ballpark? Yeah. I've just, I'm really concerned,

where's it going to draw from? Are we talking about Wireka, weed, Shady Cove? You know, this is all being promoted as something that's going to benefit hotel ridership. But, you know, what's the scope of, like, what, I guess it's a single-A ball team. Yeah, and it's a good on from the sounds of it. And they weren't being treated well in Eugene, according to them, because there are a lot of other sports options. There are fewer here in Southern Oregon, so they're thinking that there's a little more oxygen for a sports team to breathe here.

Yeah, at San Francisco Giants, high, you know, a. A-level ball is what they're doing, yes. Well, I think we should get out and walk and dance more than to sit and watch something. That's my own opinion. All right. Very good. John, I appreciate the call. That's why we do this and take your calls.

Matt's here. Hey, Matt. What's on your mind today, huh? Take it away. Two things. First, interesting conversation you had with that attorney in regards to the terrorists. Yeah, John O'Connor is an interesting guy likes Trump, but he says like, boy, I don't know how he's going to make it through this one. Well, we'll see.

I guess who knows, right? Yeah. So yesterday I'm watching Kudlow after the market closed. He had an interview with our Treasury Secretary Besson. And the focus from Bessent was mostly on the Emergency Powers Act. Right. So that's where they're laying the focus. So my question is, the question you brought up in your, I think it was one of your callers here just a second ago, who decides, who defines the emergency. Right. So do we actually have to be in financial crisis?

Do we actually have to be, you know, in a 2008 scenario or something worse before the president can step in and use emergency powers to correct trade that's harming our financial system here in America? Yeah, but does, but does, the problem I think is that he's going to have here, and the Solicitor General, I think had trouble making that case in the Supreme Court arguments yesterday was how do you say that the same situation, which has been in effect for maybe the last 40 or 50 years is all of a sudden now an emergency, right? Maybe that's where they're going. I can't exactly, you know, explain it myself. Maybe you can. Maybe you can do that better.

So here's the thing. One of the things I've noticed, you know, listening to some of these tapes of this, Supreme Court justices over the last 20 years is a lot of times people, you know, they always say you said it to in the interview with your attorney guy there, but it's hard to determine which direction they're going. A lot of times they'll ask questions and you think you got it in the bank. Right. And then they come out with something different. And in reality, what they're doing is they're trying to show impartiality by challenging the Solicitor General. In this case, I thought this guy, he sounded excitable, he spoke too quickly, his points were good.

I would have chosen someone that sounded a little more calmed and measured than that particular solicitor, just saying from the sounds of it, because it's, yeah, it's kind of like someone took a mini version of RFK Jr. And put him up there arguing it. Is that what you're getting at here, the sound, the feel? Well, you know, it's interesting. Yes, that's kind of, well, I wasn't comparing him to RFCK. F.K. Jr., because he's more, you know, their voices have a similar tone to him, but he's more measured in the way he speaks. But I listened to Mark Levin, break down the questions on his show

yesterday, and Mark stopped after playing a few clips and said, maybe I should argue this case. So that part of it, you know, makes me think they should have picked somebody else. But the points that were being made were good points. The question is going to come down to this, I think, whether or not this is an emergency. And I come back to the same thing over and over again. Do we have to wait for a full-on, you know, breakdown in the financial system? Is that what we have to wait for? Because I can tell you this, if you have globalists around the world who would like to see us taken down

so they can, you know, move in here and begin to sign treaties, which would eliminate a lot of the things we enjoy through the Constitution, our freedoms and stuff, If we're in that situation, who the hell would deal with us? Who would do it? They wouldn't. They would just say, nope, you're screwed now. And, you know, this is an old mafia thing. I think I even saw it once in the movie. They say sometimes you have to strike while you still have the power.

And you can't wait for the emergency because it may be too late. And that very well may be what President Trump has been doing all the long here. But, you know, Constitution says what it does, right? You know, it does, and I heard the argument that, you know, a tariff is a tax, it's a tax, attack, it's a tax. Really? Well, because I remember a Supreme Court case where this, that, God, I'm forgetting his name. But anyway, said that. Well, then what, then if it's not a tax, what is it?

It's kind of like the people in Mepford and say, well, we're not going to raise your fees, even though it's doing the job of the tax, that kind of thing. Well, and that's what it comes down to, right? because how did Obamacare fly? They said it's a tax, and Congress has the power to tax. It's not a fee, right? So I want to move off that because I just want to make a comment on inflation. So there's monetary inflation, and then there's just pricing inflation,

which is the price of things going up and down. For those of us who were in the, you know, lived through the financial crisis, which is everybody listening to you, I saw duplexes in grants pass drop in half and in Medford. dropping half, fully half. Inflation, the problem with inflation is, if we go, like you, I love the fact that you broke down your story. It's so similar to mine, except my first home was a townhouse, and then I bought a condo was the first thing I bought on my own where it wasn't a partnership.

Same price, same interest rate, same time period. I mean, it was in a year or two that you bought your first place, and there were so many parallels there. And as I was listening to you, I was thinking, okay, so what's happened since then? I know from California, I can't speak for Seattle, but where I live in Southern California, very, very desirable place to live where I lived. And I get that. That is part of it. Matt, I got to cut you loose right now, okay? I have a scheduled guy coming in here just a moment, but could you call me an hour from now because I have more open phones. I want to get the minor David, a bunch of other people who wanted to say some things about that.

Could you focus on that because the asset inflation is in the price inflation is certainly what we're dealing with. And we can't ignore that, I think, politically. Would you agree with me on that so much so far? Beyond politically, I would just say for the good of the people who work every day. Yeah, okay. We'll talk more next hour about that. We'll give a second, Biden. We'll have a good half hour on that conspiracy theory Thursday talk.

735 at KMED. For precision and performance. Hi, I'm Charlene, owner of American Industrial Door, and I'm on 106.7 KMED. Dr. Peter Solomon joins me. I've been trying to get him on here for the last few weeks, and he is a very interesting guy. Scientist, educator, entrepreneur, author, has written hundreds of papers, from what I understand, and has written a number of books here, too, earned his Ph.D. and physics from Columbia, so you're kind of an underachiever.

Wouldn't that be the case here, Doctor? Welcome to the show. Good having you on. Thank you very much. Glad to be here. What type of, was there a particular type of physics that you tended to study? I know that you've had gotten into some chemical issues and helped out, you know, some chemical problems in the energy industry a while back.

Maybe I just want to learn a little bit more about you before we get into the book. Well, a lot of my career, especially the later end of it, was all about better ways of doing chemical analysis and we ended up really servicing the semiconductor industry measuring the gases in different processes and that was the where the success was for for that activity yeah i know you ended up getting this uh national henry h storch award in fuel chemistry in energy related solutions so i mean you you go it's a pretty big deal from the american chemical society so you ended up doing a lot of help back at that time, didn't you? Well, we worked hard.

We had a wonderful family of scientists in our small company, and we did work on looking at molecular structure of the molecules that were involved in energy transfer. All right. Very good. And like I said, I love talking with big brains like yourself. So please ignore my not quite so large brain, but I'll do my best to ask reasonable questions. You have now switched your career where you take your scientific knowledge and you end up, I guess, in some ways, you're teaching people through novels these days with a scientific bent. Is that a fair assessment? Your latest here is called 100 Years to Extinction, the tyranny of technology and the fight for a better future. Now, I'm all up for a great apocalyptic story. So tell me what you're thinking with this particular novel.

Well, first let me explain the idea of trying to make non-scientists aware of scientific issues. And what the conclusion I came to, there's so many fascinating and wonderful science stories, And if you try to present them with the usual scientific structure and formality, you turn everybody off except for the science nerds. So if you want to get to those people, do it through a story. Tell the wonderful story of the science. And I did that with two prior books for teaching science to middle school students. a science, the stardust mystery, for example, you are made of stardust that was once in the body of

Albert Einstein and the last T-Rex. Wow. Me? Yeah, you put it, you put it that way and it sounds really cool, right? Well, exactly. And so that's an intriguing story, and the kids are interested in finding out what in the world is stardust and how did I get some that was in a T-Rex. So, So lately with the latest novel, I have been seriously worried about all of the technologies that me and my cohorts have created, wonderful, wonderful technologies that have added comfort and convenience to our lives. but what we haven't done is enough to ensure that the risks of those technologies don't threaten our existence. Is there almost some hubris here, Dr. Solomon, that we kind of bump along in our life because, you know, a lot of humanity, it seems like we find a way to muddle, muddle through a lot of crises. Do you see us reaching a point where perhaps we don't have the technology or we automatically assume that there's always going to be technology then to take care of the problems that past technology perhaps has created? Is that kind of a fair assessment of where you're going with this, the hubris that we tend to think about ourselves?

Well, I'm optimistic. I think that humans are capable of dealing with the downside risks. They just have to wake up to those risks and start addressing them. So the name of the book is 100 years to extinction. The name is a copy of the threat of the prediction made by Stephen Hawking. He said, we had a hundred years before humans became extinct on planet Earth. So he was sounding the alarm, and I'm picking up on his sounding, and I'm sounding the alarm, too, with this book trying to wake up young people to the dangers we face. The subtitle of the book is the tyranny of technology and the fight for a better future. So there are five technologies that I address, the fossil fuel technology that we started out a couple of hundred years ago, and of course now we're experiencing the threat of global warming. And the risk there is if we melt the glaciers, we're talking about an 11-foot rise in sea level.

serious danger. It's going to cause a lot of chaos on Earth and maybe lead to nuclear war. And then, of course, we jump ahead to the 20th century, the creation of nuclear technology, great medicine, but terrible risk from nuclear bombs, but also great ways of creating electricity. Oh, absolutely. Sure. Wonderful, wonderful benefits, but a huge risk. And then we jump ahead the last 20 years to the Internet and social media, genetic engineering, and AI. And we're looking at some serious risks if we don't control those technologies. I find that's what the...

Yeah, that's what the book is. In fact, you style a lot of the characters after your grandchildren, don't you? Yes, if you're a grandfather and you're taking care of grandchildren, taking them out to dinner, well, you get some benefits. You can see what the kinds of things they say, the expressions they use, and you can model characters after them. And you do a pretty good job on this. You know, you had talked about the first one you're addressing is, you know, the fuel situation and global warming. What do you think that about, well, there's a...

couple of takes on it that we're getting from our massive billionaire class here in the world and one of them from Bill Gates the other day and he's saying well you know let's not worry about the global warming at this point and let's worry about adapting to it and meanwhile

you have Elon Musk talking the other day here Dr. Solomon about creating AI satellites that would adjust sunlight to prevent global warming. Okay so they control it with artificial intelligence boy it's kind of like going right into your into one of your concerns here, I guess, in the book, right?

Absolutely. And the book addresses global warming. One of the issues that we take up is fusion technology. The development of fusion technology for electricity generation would be a game changer. It would allow the production unlimited amount of, electricity in a very clean, non-polluting manner. The book addresses fusion technology in the realm of space travel, a fusion-powered spaceship. It needs something like that if you're going to get to our nearest star that has a potentially really nice planet that we could use. The planets and

the solar system are kind of cruddy, but we may have to use them anyway. It's interesting, Dr. Solomon. I'm speaking with Dr. Peter Solomon, and the book that he has out right now is 100 years to extinction. It's a novel, The Tyranny of Technology in the fight for a better future. What I wanted to note here, you just talked about fusion for space travel, and yet I'm also just reading another story here, which is going to, once again, the choices and the risks that we face here, because I'm reading here that that Putin has just announced a nuclear-powered missiles and torpedoes that are actually powered by nuclear energy,

like torpedoes that can be underwater forever, you know, essentially, going around waiting to be instructed. So, you know, there's always a choice of what we can do with the technology, isn't there? Absolutely. Of course, we've been using nuclear-powered submarines for years and years. Uh, we have a, uh, that original submarine, uh, in an exhibit down where I have a, a house in, uh, Groton. Um, and we've taken the kids there and many times. So, yeah, nuclear power is, is here. We, we, wonderful benefits, uh, but the big issue is, uh, as bombs. Yeah, we always end up pointing to use technology to go to war ultimately, isn't it? That seems to be a human characteristic. We can't help ourselves here. Absolutely.

Okay. Absolutely. Well, do you really think, though, that we have 100 years left like Hawkins was talking about? Or, you know, now that's how you titled the book here. You know, what is your general take on it? Because like I'd mentioned, humanity has an amazing ability to appear to muddle through, but are we reaching kind of like a tipping point in your opinion as a physicist?

Um, well, I am an optimist and I think that. we will end up muddling through. Generally, it takes a huge crisis, and then we sort of put our differences aside and attack the problem. So maybe an 11-foot rise and sea level would be the crisis that would get us to pay attention. Isn't that really a real estate problem more than it actually would be a crisis? Because the Earth has been much warmer than even now, much warmer in past times, and it

was a very lush green time. How do you see that? Sure. Sure, but we've got now people living in those places. We've got crops in those places, so it will cause a huge disruption. But the question of, do we have a hundred years when I've discussed this with friends, most of the friends say, well, that's optimistic. So I think there's people who are really worried. And one of the things that I've looked at is that the things that have shaped civilization the most have been our ability to communicate and share ideas. So we've started out 100,000 years ago with speech, and then we added writing, and then we added printing, and then we added wireless. So, So we've added a whole bunch of technologies, but over 100,000 years.

The surprising thing is that in the last 100 years, we've added as many new technologies as we've added in 100,000 years. So the pace of these new technologies that shake us up, like the Internet with social media, like AI, the pace of the pace. of that technology has just accelerated enormously. And possibly accelerated past the ability of humans to sensibly integrate with it, maybe? Is that what you're getting at? That's the worry.

That's the worry. And right now, the big one is AI. And I have a website, 100 Years to Extinction.com. That's 100 years to extinction.com. And I was writing the newsletter for September, and it occurred to me that that newsletter was going to be on the AI singularity. That's the point in time when AI is powerful enough and intelligent enough that it equals humanity. And then what happens next? Do we become slaves to the robots?

Do they wipe us out? Who knows? And you know, Dr. Solomon, what has concerned me about this discussion about AI is that there is supposed to be no question. it. We're not supposed to ask any questions or not supposed to put any restrictions on it. We're just supposed to go along with this because, well, this is the next big, shiny thing that will make everybody wealthy and happy, I guess, is how it's being done. And I'm not a Luddite in anyway, but... Yeah, well, it deserves the same care and attention that I advocate for all of our technologies. We have to worry about the downside and control the downside. Well, when I was doing

that newsletter, it occurred to me that that was the sequel to 100 years to extinction. It was going to be 12 years to the singularity. Oh, boy. About the same characters addressing the issues of singularity. And that subject is so rich that my editor, Barbara Ellis and I have produced the first complete draft of the sequel in two months. All right. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing that, too. I want to ask you, though, about the scientific process and where I'm wondering, I know you even have a part in 100 years to extinction in which, you know, there's talk about misinformation.

It kind of started in the COVID era where you ended the, up starting the book in that and um and has science has the scientific uh community damaged itself by appearing at least to my view to get in line with political agendas and i i felt like there was a lot of that in uh in in during the covey time and i'll bring up an example to you okay um i did not take the uh the vaccine back then. I also never had COVID, but I was taking what was called a conspiracy theory back in those days. You know, Ivermect and I had it. And I took it prophylactically because of other doctors who disagreed with the mainstream doctors and scientists. And yet, we didn't really

have a lot of debate. And I think science got damaged a lot in the public's mind. When you agree with me or disagree, you know, on those kind of things or not, what is your opinion about. I think, yes, some damage was done, but in the case of the COVID crisis, that happened so quickly. And the vaccine was produced so quickly with one of those modern, amazing technologies, genetic engineering. So things were happening so quickly that there were differences of opinion. But in most mature sciences, the sciences are pretty, they don't have a lot of controversy like that. In the case of global warming, there's controversy, but it's political controversy. It's not scientific controversy. 90% of the scientists are all in line on what

is going on with global warming. So I, uh, something, that's very quick and very new, yes, you're going to get controversy that shouldn't upset people in terms of science. Mature science is pretty well organized and there is very good agreement on what is real and what is not real. I have just been concerned that as we've had, as we go on as humans, that our scientific bent has turned more into scientism. And it's like, okay, the science can say this is, you know, one thing, and we should do this thing, and we should organize society this way. But I get concerned that scientism essentially ends up bringing us into the technocracy,

which, of course, would be happy to usher in the AI. I mean, could you see the connections of when we elevate, you know, scientific method to then, you know, apply it to society? Maybe that's, maybe I'm asking the question inelegantly, and I apologize, if I do. Well, the way I see it is the metaphor of the tortoise and the hair, that the science is of the hair racing ahead with all of these wonderful, wonderful technologies. The scientist's job is to discover these things and to understand them and create all of the ways that they can be handled.

But the control for them really has to be ushered in by the politics and the society. And that's the tortoise. And the tortoise is stuck back 200 years ago. Yeah, and yet we are supposedly, you know, consent of the government. And if the governed doesn't consent to the scientific method, well, there we go, right? You're kind of at loggerheads with one another. Final question I have for you. And by the way, your book is very thought-provoking.

It really is. And I appreciate you, you know, getting people to think and also think about scientific principles, too. And you discuss this quite greatly in the book. Is you had talked about energy. And I have read some physicists theorize that zero-point energy. In other words, energy of the universe will someday be tapped. Do you agree with that opinion that there is actually almost unlimited energy being able to be tapped from the universe stuff, I guess, in some ways? Maybe it's dimensionally.

I'm not exactly sure of the process. I have not heard any serious science of just tapping into the universe for energy. We can tap into fusion. That's the best way to tap into an unlimited supply of energy, and we have made enormous progress in pushing towards commercial fusion electricity plants. Well, I guess when I was speaking of physicist, there's theoretical physicists, and of course theoretical physicists will theorize, I guess is what they do.

Well, I haven't heard any serious way of tapping into the universe for energy. It's almost like the ether. In other words, what's around us, the energy of the universe is tapable. I thought I was fascinating with that, and boy, hey, talk about not worrying about paying the power bill. If so, hey, great, let's do it. But I look so forward to hearing from you again for the follow-up, especially with the 12 years to the singularity. But right now it's 100 years to extinction, the tyranny of technology in the fight for a better future. And once again, your website where people can find out more about this, 100 Years to Extinction.com.

Fair enough here, doctor? That's correct. And if they go there, they should go to the music page. And we've created music videos with AI. And it's really pretty amazing. All right. Let's hope that we're just not all in stupefied over... over the years and letting everything else do its thinking for us.

But we'll get back to you on that one, Doctor. Okay, be well. Okay, great. Dr. Peter Solomon, it is a minute after eight. This is KMED, KMEDHD1. Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG Grads Pass.