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Episode Date: November 11, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. How great to have you here for Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. It is Veterans Day, Tuesday, November 11th, 2025. Getting up to about 64 degrees, another good day tomorrow, and then it starts raining again. That's all right.

So get what you need done, done, okay? Join in at 770566. Pebble in your shoe Tuesday is a great time to join in and write and just tell me. Well, I'm actually not to write. Call. In fact, one of the pebbles that I have sometimes are people who wish to not call the show, but they want to engage in voluminous, multi-page email debates. And lately, it seems like the email debates tend to go into, they want to go into, first of all, hey, that talk about Christianity you were doing yesterday, you know, false

Christianity, it's BS and homeless and this and the other, and you're talking about socialism. That was BS, blah, blah, blah. And say, okay, call the show, but no, three page emails, three page, no, no, don't have time for three page emails. I have a three-hour talk show so that you can actually call and share your thoughts about something. something tells me that when someone wants to engage in three-page email email debates that I don't have time for it's because they really don't want to have anybody ask you questions on the fly and actually have a conversation about it.

It's sort of like, you know, just dictating to us. But anyway, so go ahead and call, let me know what's on your mind. 7705-633, 770KMED. One thing which is a pebble in my shoe about the city of Medford, no, we're not going to be able to do anything about 15-286. I'm even starting to forget the number now, but what was voted on yesterday by a number of last week, rather, on a number of envelopes. And it's a 2% rate hike from 11 to 13% of the transient lodging tax, the hotel motel tax, everybody that comes to town, everybody that goes into an Airbnb, any kind of hotel, motel space, it will now go from 11 to 13%.

And we're told that there is a whole bunch of this stuff. This needs to be used for seed money in order to get this big half billion dollar development, Creekside Quarter, in here. It's like, okay, voter spoke, it appears that it's going on to win. Pretty close deal. and yeah, it was only 28% voter turnout, at least from the envelopes that have come in so far. So we can certainly have those kind of arguments. But you know what has bothered me is about where the money actually goes?

Because I'm thinking, all right, if you're told that there is a hike from 11 to 13% and that this is going to go to help the Creekside quarter development, if you actually look at where the money goes, it's only about half of that going to the Creekside. because the way that the system ends up, you know, working this right now is that the city can claim a certain amount for itself, for its general fund, a small percentage of this. And normally, normally travel Medford, which is run by the chamber, it's an offset, offshoot of the Chamber of Commerce, Jackson County, normally they get about 70% of every hotel motel tax dollar that comes in. Now, this particular time, though, they're only taking a 25% cut. So they're getting a half percent of that 2% hike. You know, they're getting one-fourth of that, one-fourth of that 2%.

And the city is taking one-fourth of that 2% also. And so the Creekside development, which is supposedly what we need and to be able to make this all happen and to ring make and fill up all the other competing hotels and motels with lots of people coming in here to see the ball team and everything else. It's only getting half of it. Isn't that an odd split? You send something to the voters and you're telling me and everybody else that this is for the Creekside Quarter Development to kickstart this one.

Why does Travel Medford or the city of Medford get a penny of the increase, given that they're selling it to actually move this development forward? Can anybody explain that to me? Even when it comes to another, you know, more money going into Travel Medford, why? Why should Travel Medford, can anybody explain to me why should Travel Medford get one penny? of that extra income coming in supposedly to kickstart this development because there is not anything that Travel Medford can do. There's no advertising for it. There is no, it's not exactly like Travel Medford is going to be booking motel and hotel rooms,

you know, for the system. Because assuming that everything works out the way it's supposed to be, it's going to be four or five years or more. possibly before a lot of this stuff actually is open. So why are we paying more to travel Medford right now? Can anybody explain that to me? And also, why should the city of Medford take one-fourth of that? Why should they be just patting the city of Medford's pockets here?

It would seem to me that had this been smartly structured or actually structured for the way, Once again, it's like, yeah, you can read what the intent of is of a particular ballot measure or a citizen initiative or whatever, but, you know, the devil's in the details, of course, I don't see any reason why Travel Medford should have its budget fattened up right now, given that it's going to be years before there's any opportunity to be promoting the Creekside Quarter. Now the city of Medford, you know, they're just looking for a way to get some more, you know, they're looking for, you know, spare couch cushion money. And yeah, we'll work on parks and we'll work on something else involving tourism. Everything, it does all have to be associated with tourism, but there is a certain percentage of these hotel motel taxes that cities can just put into their general funds. So it can be just a revenue raiser. but if it is so critical, so absolutely critical, that all of this money, from this 11 to 13% hike is here to kickstart and pay for potentially bonds and everything else to get Creekside Quarter going,

why does the chamber, why does Travel Medford get any of this? It makes no sense. It makes no financial sense to me because Travel Medford right now has absolutely nothing to do with, whether or not this will actually move forward or not. This is going to be a city function, an urban renewal, all the rest of it. This is a city function. It almost strikes me as a bit of a giveaway to Travel Medford. Now, when they get closer to opening up and then you're looking for people and places that you want people to know about it, I could see a role for the chamber having its budget increased or the Travel Medford having its money increased.

increased. Does anybody see it my way or am I just splitting hairs on hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in tourist income coming in here? I'm concerned that this is going to pencil out. So in my benevolent dictatorship, I always preface it with this. In my benevolent dictatorship, travel Medford's cut at least should go into a contingency fund for right now. In other words, bank it. Maybe later on as we get closer to the project being finished, then you release that money, which has been banked away, and then get it into Travel Medford's pause, and then they could start promoting the tourism aspects of this whole big project. But other than that, keep it there for a contingency in case things get a little bit dicey, or we end up having a little

bit of a shortage. That's the way I would structure it. I don't know if you have an opinion about that one way or the other, but I don't think the travel Medford people should be getting a penny of this until there's actually something, because this was all, you know, it kind of reminds me that same bait and switch once again, how we're told that, well, you know, this tax increase back in 2020, I think is what it was. Was it 2020? We did that. I forget it was a few years ago. But, yeah, this is, you let us increase these tourism taxes, and then the tourists will end up paying for rogue x of course kind of soft peddling the fact that they were going to raise your utility fees or keep your utility fees high because they refinanced the u.s. cellular ballpark bonds

they paid it off and then just charged that credit card up and then it ended up going to a rogue so everybody here in southern oregon in the city of metford is paying about 60 65 bucks a year for the next 20 25 years however long it takes to pay this stuff off but you know they didn't say that, right? And so, I know they kind of said that they were going to, yeah, that the revenue split. I just don't see the reason why Travel Medford gets any of this money right now. Do you? And if somebody thinks I'm wrong about that, tell me why I'm wrong that Travel Medford should be getting this increase in the hotel motel tax, ostensibly gone or going then to make sure that we can kickstart this half billion dollar development. Can anybody tell me? Just tell me, 7705633, 770K,

MED. If I'm wrong, I'm willing to fall on my sword about this, but all the money does have to go, or most of the money does have to go to tourism-related functions. And this tourism-related function is supposed to be for Creekside Quarter. And there's nothing to talk about right now. It's all a work in progress. So why are you paying travel Medford more right now? What are we going to get? I would also be curious to know if Travel Medford, when they buy advertising, you know, there is like an advertising commission. Do they keep the advertising commission or do they give that advertising commission

back to the city of Medford, given that they're acting as the agent for travel, you know, for, you know, travel-oriented deals, you know, like a 10, 15% kickback when they end up buying. I have a lot of questions. So if you know the answers, let's just help me out, okay? 7705633. It is Veterans Day. A lot of stuff going on.

And we'll talk about where some of that is going on. Some of the other headlines. President Trump wants a 50-year mortgage. Oh, my gosh. All right. Everyone's focusing on affordability. I have a different way of looking at the affordability when it comes to the mortgage. And tell me what you think about my scheme when I come back.

This is the Bill Meyer show. Did you know? For you and your family. Hi, I'm Laman from Orleys, and I'm on 106.7, KMED. 624, Veterans Day events going on today. Of course, Big One, Eagle Point. Eagle Point, Upper Road Community Foundation Veterans Day. Parade, 1015.

That's through downtown Eagle Point. Special program at the Eagle Point High School gym at 11 o'clock. Veterans Service Groups, a whole bunch more. Veterans Day commemorations. in Central Point, the annual day in Central Point, 9 o'clock this morning at the Don Jones Park, the Oregon Fallen War Heroes Memorial. That's on Vilas Road in Central Point in remembrance of those servicemen and women. And that is at 9 o'clock this morning.

Southern Oregon Concert Band celebrating the Spirit of America. That's in concert at tonight, 7 o'clock, North Medford High School Auditorium. That's going to be going on. songs in Merlin Veterans Day Ceremony, Rogue Valley Young Marines, Merlin Park Board, pancake breakfast starting at 8th this morning at Merlin Community Park once again. Ten bucks proceeds go to the Young Marines Leadership School, by the way. And what else do we have here? Free breakfast in Ashland, too.

Ashland Boy Scouts, American Legion Ashland Post 14, free breakfast for veterans starting at 7 o'clock this morning. Ashland Elks Lodge, 255 Main Street. Very good. Veterans should just park in the rear of the lodge, okay? And there is a live stream to 11 o'clock this morning, Oregon Department of Veterans Affairs honoring Oregon veterans of all eras. 11 o'clock Tuesday, live stream from Salem. Go to the ODVA's Facebook page, okay? Let me know if you have any questions about that, but that is what is going on for today. All right. What else do we have going on?

Some of the headlines. Where do me go? Medford seeks public input on possible Main Street redesign. That's in Medford Alert. Inviting residents to share feedback on these design alternatives for downtown Main Street. Yeah, after it was screwed up under the guys of, well, they'll pave the road. The state, well, there's a grant to help us pave the road. We just have to turn it into a non-road.

So I guess we have to fix it, right? Well, to dig more into that one. Let's see. Other headline, Oregon ranked as one of the worst states to find a job in 2025. I'm glad I'm employed for now. Study by Wallet Hub determining the best and worst states for jobs in the U.S., and we are one of the worst, unfortunately, median annual income, rather, average commute times, state employment growth.

Each indicator weighted points in Oregon, unfortunately, not looking good at the moment. But that's okay. I'm sure Governor Kotech will run on the economy next year for sure. Oregon Live reporting that the federal government is looking to consider some Oregon coast locations. They want to expand ice. Yeah, expanding ice locations on the Oregon coast. Well, so they're looking at the city of Newport, maybe the Newport municipal airport and be able to talk about that and so they're looking on well i must tell you if you have stayed out on the oregon coast chances are you do have now of course i'm engaging in lookism right but i would imagine if you are looking for illegal immigrants you

won't have to look too far, just go to an occasional hotel or motel, and you'll probably find some. Just seems that that is the way. Now, I know I'm just engaging in look as them, and I know I'm not supposed to do that, but every now and then I'm paid to notice things. So that's what we did. What else do we have happening here? Trump's $2,000 tariff dividend. You were talking a lot about that recently. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, this on the hill, said, President Trump's proposed dividend of $2,000 a person could come in the form of tax decreases rather than direct checks, direct payments. In interview this week with Stephanopoulos, Treasury Secretary said he has not yet talked to the president about his proposal, but he's suggesting the cash payments could take various forms.

That's inflationary, just saying tariff dividends, but everyone's looking at affordability right now. Now, the big affordability news this week has been that President Trump and the Trump administration suggesting a 50-year mortgage. A 50-year mortgage, can you imagine a 50-year mortgage? I thought a 30-year mortgage was kind of crazy in some ways. But, I don't know. It's about trying to find some way for the younger generation to get that leg up. and get into real estate get into homes get into family formation and this is very important this is a very important thing this is just me spitballing with

you but maybe we can talk about this more a little bit later I think looking at a 50-year mortgage is looking at it from the wrong end I would posit that the longer that we didn't used to always have a 30-year mortgage that it used to be a five-year mortgage back during the Great Depression impression. I think it was five years. Like you had five years and you had to pay it off within five years. They weren't self-amortizing mortgages if I understand my U.S. history correctly. But the way or the longer of a term that you end up putting out there as the standard, the more it gives room for the price of the underlying asset in the way I'm looking

at this to soar in price, the perceived price. Well, it's about fitting the payment, right? If you really want to find out what real estate is worth, we shouldn't be looking at it through the lens of a 30-year or even a 50-year loan. And by the way, I have a dog in this fight. Yeah, I got 30-year mortgage, you know, on my house over on the viewpoint when I'm living in. But that's what you do. You either get a 15 or 30. Very few people get the 15. I pay it off like it's a 15, so I do that.

But enough about me. If we really wanted to find out in our world, what real estate is worth, start reducing the loan terms rather than lengthening them. Because we have this, you know, inflationary asset aspect that I think comes from the very nature of having a 30-year mortgage. I'm paying about $1,600 a month from my mortgage right now. It's refinanced, yeah, 3% a few years ago. Like everybody else that was able to did that, and that's why, The market's kind of frozen up right now.

But I'm paying like $1,600 a month. I bought the house for about $313, I think. And I think the mortgage where the refinance was about $275. I think it's what we ended up, you know, refinancing it for, maybe a little bit less. I haven't checked it recently. But when I bought that house originally, if instead of that, okay, I could do a $1,600. a month payment. I mean, that was my whole deal.

I could do $1,700, $1,700 a month payment. That's what my family budget could afford. And if all of a sudden we were to say, okay, we could only have tenure mortgages, well, that would have got you a $150,000 mortgage at that time. A 10-year mortgage for that payment level, $150,000. $1,600 a month for a 30-year, oh, you're $275, $300,000. See what I'm getting at? That sort of thing?

The way that we extend these loan terms ends up, I think, enabling the price appreciation of real estate and the price inflation. And if you really wanted to make homes more affordable, okay, what do you say in the future that all you get is a 10-year loan? That's all FHA. That's all Fannie Mae will do. FHA, Fannie Mae loans, 10-year loan. What do you think what happened to the price of residential real estate? Wouldn't it start sagging? Of course, then the people who already have it would be P-O.

I get that. I understand that. But isn't that something to consider the fact that even as president, and Trump being a real estate guy. Of course, he always wants cheap money and he wants money for a long, long time, you know, that sort of thing. But that very fact of the home being leveraged also enables the inflationary aspect of the price appreciation, doesn't it? Because otherwise you couldn't afford it. Couldn't afford it. What is it really worth? But what you can buy? The federal government, especially with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, going to the 30-year mortgage

standard ended up, of course, they'll say, hey, more people are able to afford this house. No, well, they're staying in debt longer, and it's taking longer and longer to get to the point where you ever pay it off. 50 years, as far as I'm concerned, would be continuing this. This would be continuing to perpetuate the problem. To me, I would be reducing the number of years that you could borrow the money. And then, ultimately, the real estate values, the real estate cost in dollars, would start getting more reasonable because they would have to if you want to sell it and people can

only buy it for either cash or a 10-year mortgage, let's say, or a 15-year mortgage only. That's where we would end up going. If you really want to make it less expensive. Now, government doesn't like that because, of course, that's where property taxes are based on. And, of course, the Federal Reserve System doesn't like that because we're always supposed to inflate. We're never supposed to deflate, right? We're never supposed to have our dollars worth more. It's always supposed to be worth less. Hmm. But I'm just saying if we were really

serious about making real estate more affordable, we would probably be reducing the term and then watch real estate come back down from its bubble. What do you say? And yeah, it would be, it would be hurting me too. I get it. But if we're, if we're being serious about this kind of stuff. But as it is right now. No, why don't we have a 100-year mortgage? Yeah, it's nonsense. It's 635 at KMED. This is the Bill Meyer show.

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And thank you for helping us make a difference. This is the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. 639. Paul Driesen joins me from C-Fact. He's a senior policy analyst, and he's in touch with all the people who are hanging out at the cop shrimp fest. We're trying to find out what the gang, green, global warming people are up to this morning. Paul, how are you doing this morning? Welcome.

I'm great. Thanks for having me on. Hey, Paul, could you tell us what C-Fact is all about once again and what the C-F-A-C-T-R. stands for, okay? CFACT, C-FACT stands for a committee for a constructive tomorrow. We are in favor of protecting both people and planet, not just focusing on alleged dangers to our planet, but focusing on what people, especially in developing countries, actually need in terms of agriculture and energy and better health, so that they can live longer

and better lives. So you're not just about putting on the hair shirt and that humanity must die so the planet can live, in all the words. No, we love our modern living standards and our health and our longevity. It's all very important and it's all driven by having abundant, reliable, affordable energy. All right. Now, this whole big meeting together is called COP. Who actually puts that on? And where do this start? It's our friends in the UN and all the climate activists, what we like to call the climate cabal, all these grifters that are making millions and millions of dollars every year off this climate scare that they've engineered over the past decades.

Now, why are they having one? Because Bill Gates, who I think is the godfather of a lot of this movement, he came out and is saying quite loudly that, hey, listen, okay, the world's not going to end. We're going to be okay. We're not all going to die. We just have to work to adapt to this. So what happened here? Help me.

Well, Bill Gates has finally had his epiphany that we're not facing climate disasters. The evidence doesn't show any such things actually happening on the real earth. It's all coming out of computer models and these activist fevered activist imaginations. But they've had a great run on Broadway or in our classrooms and so forth. convincing people that we really do face some kind of a climate crisis. You look at the hurricane records, the droughts, the floods, the tornadoes, on and on, the actual data that what you're seeing out there in the real world is not actually happening at the levels that any of these climate crazies are predicting.

And yet they keep bringing out these so-called studies that blood banks are going to be impacted and people, the women and children in Indonesia will be disproportionately impacted and that deadly rivers in the sky are going to, are supercharging extreme rainfall. None of it's really happening. It's always, we've always had disasters of varying levels and places all over the planet. There's no actual historic pattern. There's no pattern of any increases. tornadoes, in fact, the really violent tornadoes, have actually gone down quite significantly since the 1950s.

The hurricane record, you go on Noah's website, and you cannot find any pattern that shows an increase. But what you can find is a 12-year period of no category three to five hurricanes hitting the United States. That's never happened before, and it happened right from 2000. 2005 to 2007 to 2015, 2017. So 12 years never had such a long period of time where we didn't get hammered by category three to five hurricanes. All right. So the UN is putting this on. Where is it being held, by the way? It's being held down in Belém, Brazil, which is interesting in itself. They had to widen the highway so that they could make it easier for limousines and the rest of these conveyances to take people to the gab fest.

Okay, so we have to, okay, so this is for a climate conference, right? A climate conference, we're widening the highway, and you were telling me that with asphalt. Yeah, and there's 100,000 trees in the Brazilian rainforest to do it. Oh, boy, there's a lot of hypocrisy. How many yachts have shown up? I don't know. Where's this completely landlocked wherever it is located?

How many yachts? I'm not even sure about the yachts this time, but certainly the private jets. They come into the nearby airport, and then the people jump in their limos and their SUVs and so forth and head down into the rainforest area, where they're also illegally cutting at least half of the balsa wood that is used in wind turbine blades. So, so much for the rainforest. But what I also love is how much meat these guys are coming. consuming down there. Wait,

I thought meat was killing us here, Paul. That's the funny thing about it. Yeah, raising cattle and lambs and everything else to consume on our dinner plates is dangerous from methane and from a lot of other standpoints because it's all leading to global warming, but they're going to eat lavish amounts of beef and poultry lamb and pork down there. this is what I really love. There's going to be a naked Brazilian actress down there, lying around and, you could say, laying bare the hypocrisy of these planetary saviors, savoring all this planet killing meat and dairy.

Now, I don't know if you have seen pictures of this naked actress yet, and I know you have people inside cop, and that's why, you know, I wanted to talk with you about this. All of one of those is she hot, because most of the time when people get naked for the cameras, you know, out there for a political purpose, they're not very good-looking. It's usually what happens. Well, I haven't seen her, but I'm told she's going to be very hot in many ways down there. It's quite warm down in Brazil, but she's also a very sexy lady that's going to drive home or point laying bare the hypocrisies. Okay, glad to know. Paul Drayson, by the way, is from... C-F-A-C-T, C-Fact.

He's a senior policy analyst here. We're talking about the new cop meeting going on. The COP Climate Conference, and does this happen every year? Is it every year that they do this shrimp fest or, well, this time, I guess it's a beef and pork fest. Well, that's why it's COP 30. This is the 30th annual Gab Fest that they've held in various lovely parts of the planet. And they bring in all these people, this year, it's 70,000 of them. I'm not sure if that's a record, but it's very high up there.

And what's interesting is all these computer models have generated these climate crises, and the plan was we're going to mitigate all of those problems. We're going to solve them by learning how to control the Earth's climate by controlling and eliminating the use of fossil fuels. So that's kind of worn out as a scare tactic or as a money-fueling tactic, I could say also. But now what they're saying is we need trillions of dollars to help countries adapt to all these terrible climate changes. And we need trillions more to pay them reparations for the climate damage and bad weather that we've caused over the years. They basically are attributing everything that happens from floods and droughts to tornadoes and hurricanes.

Any kind of adverse weather impact, any kind of crop failure, it's all because people in developing countries have used these fossil fuels and continue to do so. You don't include China and India in that, of course, which are emitting well over half of the planet's entire CO2. and greenhouse gas. You know, Paul, I think what gets me, you know, the bottom line for me, as I see this, is that it's well-known, it's pretty much been laid bare, unlike the Brazilian actress. You were mentioning a moment ago, but it's been laid bare that the entire climate change alarmism has been about human engineering and it has been about control of resources and wealth, hasn't it? Hasn't that really what this has been all about all along?

Absolutely. You're right spot on, Bill. It has been about controlling the fossil fuels we use, getting rid of them, and ultimately controlling our lives, our living standards, our entire economies, and anything that we might want as modern people, they want to cut that way back and then prevent people in developing countries from ever getting the kinds of living standards we have come to enjoy. If you look at Europe, Britain and Germany in particular, they've gone all in on climate change and the need to eliminate fossil fuels and replace the most wind and solar. But hasn't this been destroying their economy? Hasn't this destroyed? This is essentially deindustrialized Germany from what I've been reading. It definitely has. They have, Britain and Germany

have the highest electricity prices in the world. And companies and people cannot afford those prices. The companies are packing up and leaving Germany and building the same plants in some other countries where they don't have those controls, India and China, for example. Yeah, well, I think that may be what the real goal is. It's almost like a forced transfer of money, energy, and technology from the west to the east, would I be, you know, out of line for even positing that?

No, that is absolutely true, or from the north to the south, both directions. It's interesting that people in Germany and UK can't even afford to heat and cool their homes properly anymore because the prices for electricity are so sky high. So their bureaucrats are telling them, well, you know, just heat one room, cool just one room, and don't bring it up above 68 in the wintertime or below 75 or any kind of habitable temperature in the summertime. They don't want them to enjoy what the bureaucrats and the ruling elites actually enjoy themselves. So, yes, again, it's controlling our lives and our living standards and taking away the amazing technologies that have made. lives so much better and our health care so much better. Our living standards and our lifespans are

so much better than they were 100 years ago. And the do-gooders want to take all of that away in the name of saving the planet from climate changes that really exist only in computer models and the fevered imaginations of these activist groups. You know, Paul, I'll believe what they're claiming when I see every Hollywood environmental celebrity, every environmental luminary out there, everybody who was in on the climate change thing, including the algor types, when I see them divest themselves of all, and this would also include, you know, politicians too, when they divest themselves of all their coastal property, then I will figure they actually believe their own story, you know, because they're always claiming that, oh, my

gosh, you know, the, we're going to be buried under 11 feet of, you know, subsumed under 11 foot, you know, sea level rises and things like that. Well, I would tend to look at that as a real estate problem, not a reason to destroy humanity, but maybe I'm the wrong guy here, you know? No, you're absolutely right. And get rid of their multiple mansions, including Barack and Michelle Obama, of course, not just Al Gore. Well, yeah, they're right there on the shore, aren't they? Aren't they right there on the shore? Yeah. But that part of the shoreline is not going to suffer from any kind of sea level rise. It's only going to be the people out in the Pacific Islands that are going to be submerged. Well, the interesting thing, too, is since the last glaciers started melting 12,000 or so years ago during the Pleistocene, our sea levels have risen 400 feet. so a little bit more of a sea level rise is not going to hurt anybody and the interesting other thing is that the island nations that you vote so much Tuvalu and Palau and all these

places are supposedly going to be submerged by rising seas now what happened to them where were they several thousand years ago as the sea levels started coming up 400 feet from where they were during the ice ages. They probably went elsewhere if it got too close for comfort, I would guess. I don't know. But where were the islands? Well, they were islands. Well, they were islands, but 400 feet higher elevation on the peak maybe.

I don't know. Either that or since most of them are built from corals that live in the warmer ocean waters, the higher the sea levels rose, the higher the corals grew. Ah, okay. I had not considered that. I had not considered that. Okay, all right. And that's why even now you see these island nations actually expanding in size as more corals are growing in these ocean waters that are up a few inches from where they were a few decades ago.

Well, thank you very much, Paul Driesen from Seafact, for pointing out the rampant hypocrisy. I'm surprised that they continue to keep doing this when even their godfathers are saying, we just have to work with adapting to this. And by the way, there's nothing wrong with me even changing home design, wouldn't you think, that might take advantage more of natural atmospheric so you don't have to air-condition everything. There are ways to do that. People have done that in the past. Nothing wrong with that.

But to sit around here and decide that we're just going all sit around in and starve on energy and freeze and roast, depending on the season, that's not going to work either. Yeah, we should all have the freedom. to choose our homes, our cars, our air travel, whatever it might be the foods we eat. Oh, by the way, don't they want to tax air travel? Hold on here. You just said air travel. I'm sorry to interrupt you, Paul.

But isn't part of COP 30 about eliminating air travel for the regular people? Isn't that part of it? It is. And yet they're all flying down there. Why don't they just have some kind of visual, audio-visual system that, They can all sit in on conferences from their own homes the same way we do. You know, why? Why can't they use Zoom?

Well, it's because Zoom doesn't translate the whole experience of the roast beef and the pork and the naked, you know, Brazilian actress and all that kind of stuff. You know, you have to see it up close and personal. That's why. That's why if you're really going to be down with the struggle here, man, all right? Yeah, and you can't enjoy all those meats and things. and being among everyone who just thinks the same way you do because they don't like to have people like us from C-Fact showing up

and disrupting their conferences with reality-based commentary and evidence. I love it. Paul Driesen once again from C-Fact. He's a senior policy analyst. I enjoy the talk here, and thanks for the good chuckle about the hypocrisy for COP32, Paul. be well.cfact.org, the website. People can find out more about it, right? Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Always fun to chat and point out these hypocrisies. Thank you, Paul. Paul Driesen. It is 656 at KMED. This is the Bill Myers Show.