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Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Open phones and reax to the PLF interview, then Capt. William E Simpson, normally talks wild horses. Today a song he wrote about the Klamath Dams, so good. D62 quiz and some emails o the day wrap the show.

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the climate dam removal, that scam, which is continuing to give us gifts, the freeing of the land, and the destruction of the people, as far as I'm concerned. Hey, we were talking with Brian Hodges a few minutes ago, Pacific Legal Foundation Senior Attorney here, who's involved with this COGAP Enterprises lawsuit against the City of Medford, and they won. So the City of Medford wanted CodeGap to pay $700,000 for a new road and a bridge to serve other people's property in the future. Now, John, you are a developer, too. I've talked with you about development down here in southern Oregon for quite some time. You're saying it's even worse than what Brian, how Brian Hodges described it,

what Kogap was dealing with? What's up? Yeah, it's not just that you have to pay the $700,000. They also steal your land, and they make an arterial street so you can't use that road to have other lots or other things going on. That's millions of dollars of damage to a project. So the $700,000 that Kogap was contesting then, there was more to it than just the bridge, right, in the road. Okay.

Right. But when you take somebody's land and you make it so that road is not usable, I'll give you a local. It wasn't a Dolan case, but here in Medford, Juan Apparel Street, when I came in at this, when I came in to do the project, I had the street moved over, so I had lots on both sides. They said they wanted to make it an arterial street where you can't have cars getting out, going out of houses. So I lost 26 lots. How much is that worth? Five million dollars? Probably. Yeah, maybe even more now. So they do it in a variety of ways. I've sued on Dolan, I don't know, three or four times over there. Yeah, what is Dolan? I'm sorry. I don't know what that is, John. Help me on.

The Dolan case, the Dolan case ruled that the city can't chart, they were required to put in a city park across in another part of town and a bunch of other things. And the Dolan family said, that's not fair. We just want to do this. And we have the legal right to do it. And what they were requiring to do is millions of dollars of extra of work to build parks and other parts of the city in Hillsborough. Yeah, very good.

Hey, thanks for explaining that. Now, I remember when, now, of course, you developed a lot of East Medford, a lot of it. With fact, there was big developments on the east side. And could you explain? I know I kind of said, well, you were forced by the city back at the time to make a deal. I don't know what it was, but you had to build East McAndrews. All those roads going up there, you built those, didn't you? Yeah, East McAndrews cost over $5 million to build, and I had to build it before I could start, but it was a little different. That is to say, the property in Vista Point

was sold at auction to no more, and I bought it from him. And part of the deal was that you had to build McAnders Road as part of the sale of the property. Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense. Arguably, that was going to create traffic, right? No doubt, you know, building the homes out there. So I guess that was more reasonable, but still $5 million. That's a lot of money to build a road. And you had to do it before I owned the property. So I had nothing to go borrow money with. Really? Wow. Yeah. Okay. So heads, they win, tails you lose. In general, the city of Medford, though, has been very fair. Okay.

You know, there's been, you know, they're not, you know, the city of Ashland is the opposite of the city of Medford. The city of Ashland can do things that are horrible to you and totally unfair. But the city of Medford, over the last 40 years that I've been dealing with them, they've been very reasonable in their approach to it, like 10 times better than talent or Ashland. Okay, so in other words, instead of taking an arm and a leg, maybe a wrist or a hand now and then. Yeah, and they'll also work with you in many situations. Well, that's good to know. I've given them 23 free easements on my properties, and I could have charged them for all of them. But, you know, it's a give and take, and they're much more reasonable than the other south cities.

I appreciate knowing that. John, thanks so much for checking in, okay? Good hearing from you. 7705-633. Kathy's here, too. Hello. Kathy, what did you want to talk about? Go ahead.

Hello, I just, I'm sorry. I'm going back to the previous, but I agree with everything Steve said. And the other thing about the visas. Yeah, oh, the H-1B visas, yeah. Yeah, we could revoke those at any time. If any of those students are caught doing anything hinky, they're gone. Oh, I completely understand that, though. But arguably since anyone who is coming in immigrating from China has already agreed that they will work for the Chinese Communist Party,

because they have a law there that requires them to do this. What, are we supposed to assign an FBI agent to every Chinese immigrant? No, but you've got to remember that not all of those people agree with the Chinese Communist Party. There's some of them want to be Americans and are going to lie to China and stay here. So it's, you know, I just hate it being painted with such a broad brush. Okay. It's like, do you want to smell curry or do you want to have Chinese food? I mean, you know what I mean?

I like them both, actually. I like both. What I don't like is, you know, essentially Chinese and Indian enclaves being set up and displacing American workers here. No, assimilation is the key, and I don't know how to get, I don't know how to do that. Yeah, my main thing is, do we really need that amount? That's my question. I don't know. You've got to watch some of these kids try to count back change and wonder where the brains went.

Okay, fair enough, Kathy. Appreciate the call, 7-7-0-K-M-E-D. Line 3, you're on. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is mine, Dave. Yeah, Dave.

Yeah, I'm interested in the Pacific Legal Foundation, but every time I talk to them, I get some weird response thing. They can't help me. But I'd like some out getting my, this private road open. And by the way, because it's a government project, they should be all over it. But, you know, I don't know. that it haven't been no help for me. Well, do you have a property right to that?

I guess maybe that's it, because it's not a property right on your property in the Iron Gade of States. It's too, the easement is into the here because the law requires two roads, one in, one out, one in, or two, two in and two out because there's a fire hazard. Okay, well, maybe they don't see that. as rising to their level? I don't know how to explain that. And maybe you haven't struck... I'm just going to tell you, they're not as good as they take on Copeland. Those guys were worth millions. They help them. A guy like me, they don't give two cents for. Yeah, something tells me

there may not be enough there. There is enough there. Well, then you find an attorney and argue with him. Don't argue with me about it. You're, you know, you're calling up and saying, well, Pacific Legal didn't do anything with me, they probably didn't think there's as much of a case as you think, whether you... No. Now, you can yell at me all you want. It's because they don't care. They don't care.

Okay, they don't care. Thank you, Dave. Have a great day. We care. We really do. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello, I'm Paul Shesma from the Just Weeker County Republican Party.

Paul, go ahead. You got a lot going on there, I'll bet today. Fire away. Oh, 100%. But we have just received the signatures of yesterday. yesterday for the stop the gas tax petition. Yep. And we have hundreds of sheets, and we're needing to get them all signed before December 30th. So come on down. All right. County office, Josephine County Republican Party office, you got that open. Normal hours? Absolutely.

What time you open up? Hmm? Normal hours. We're having a full schedule. All right. There's a lot more going on there, too. But like I said, it's an easy, easy place to drop. I get that signed. And let's get our 100,000 right away, Paul, right? Let's do it. Absolutely. All right. Appreciate the call. Let me grab one more. Hi, KM. Who's this? Hey, this is your brother with SOMB, Brad.

Okay, I got to have your theme. There we go. What's up, Brad? Hey, you know, you can appreciate this, Bill. We need more petite, dead Rainier beer out there in the public. Yeah, I want to send some to Dave. I know Dave's really angry about that. Oh, my God. Yeah. I've never had Dave yellow.

me like that. It's like, okay, well, hey, I can't help you. Go yell at the lawyers. If the lawyers won't take your case, they think something, they can't do anything. You know, you're asking for a non-profit to take on your case, and maybe they have to think they have to be able to win it, too, or there's not enough of the case. I don't know. But anyway, more petite... I do have a question for you. Yeah. As a little personal, did you and Linda get up to Cedarville, wherever it is, the spa place? No, we did not. We were concerned about weather, and we have to have good access to my mother.

And so we're probably going to have to do it next year instead. Didn't make it there. You know, for years, my wife used to go to Ashland, Jackson Springs. And when it was rustic before it got developed, you could rent a cab or a room for like eight bucks and sit in that spring water, and it was just great. Well, I've heard good things about it. I don't know what it's like now, but nothing like mineral springs, and I love those ones in Cedarville, too.

I think what I like most about Cedarville is not necessarily the hot tops, but I love the land out there because I love the high desert. There's something about that high desert vista that I just really enjoy. It feeds my soul for some reason. Hey, thanks for exposing the public to that whole thing with a co-gap. You know, it just blows me away how those that are in power. I think they can just run over you. I don't tell somebody Sue's back, I guess.

Thanks for the call there, brother. It's 11 after 8. Running a little late for news here. Captain Bill Simpson's going to join me here in a few minutes also, and he's been going to work, and he took on the Klamath Dam. and a song write about that scam. One of each, K4VN-228-069, MSRP 24-185, tell you K-294-A-S-A-Schland. Captain Bill Simpson here.

Hey, Bill, how you doing this morning? Good morning, thank you. Well, we're going to play a little bit if you're a latest song because you're taking on the damage at the Klamath, the Klamath Dam removal site. Copco Road. Once it was a mountain wave, where the eagle's sword and the children play the water shone like a mirror bright

fish would run in the silver light but then they came with plans in hands and tear it down we'll free the land they sold the dream they cashed the claim now nothing here remains the same oh cockco road You twist and cry under the wheels of a greedy lie. Once two lanes wide, now broken and cold.

I still hear the ghosts of the lakes you hold. Oh, our cop go road. I hear the ghosts of the lake you hold. You still hold. I love that line. You wrote that, and there's more to it. just played it, but I shared it last night on Facebook, put a picture of the old, of the way Copco Lake looks now, now that it's just kind of a moonscape out there and all clay and crap

and everything else there. And, but you ended up taking that poetry and put in it there, and I know we normally think about you as Wild Horse Fire Brigade, but is this like a little side product or project of yours right now? Well, yeah, as a property owner out here who actually has suffered less than a lot of the people up at copco village who you know my heart goes out to those people because they've lost so much you know you've got a whole community and it's a disadvantaged community actually and these people bought in many of these families up there have been there 60 years 50 years and and bought lakefront properties and and uh these guys krrc and their Kumbas came in and just devastated the area, and without going through the constitutional

process of eminent domain, they devalued property. Yeah, let me reference that, okay, because Minor Dave called just a few minutes ago, Dave Everest, and I love Dave. He's been calling the show off and on years, and he was angry Pacific legal didn't take his case on. I don't know if he presented the case correctly or what might have done that. But it would seem to me that, you know, groups like Pacific Legal and various others, this could be, I don't know, could this, they have a case of some sort, but it's complex. Maybe that's the problem. It's such a deep and dark hole up there that nobody feels like they can help or make a dent on this, or maybe it's because

the government, two state governments all put their thumb on this devaluation of people. people's property. How do you see it up there? Well, the fact that the states are in even makes them in a domain even more relevant. You know, if any government agency, city, county, state decides that they want to build a freeway right through your living room or take your property for something that they need, you know, a park or a church, they've got to pay you fair market value. That's what the law says. I think what you've got a layer, you've got to peel back, and I think the Civic Legal Foundation, and I'm just guessing now, okay, I'm not. not a lawyer. I'm guessing. But the way these, who I, you know, my opinion is, are just a bunch

of con artists because they didn't do, if you got to do dam removal, then you better damn well do it right. And they didn't do it right. Okay. And that's my argument with them. They came in and with a smash and grab operation, they kept talking about Elwhal, but Elwhal was done completely differently. You know, the water was let down very slowly. You know, it took years to do it, to stabilize soils. They did a lot of things up there that they didn't do here. but they kept talking about it. And because you've got so many low information people out there that don't dig into what these people say and fact check it,

the one-liners, the zingers they put out there just become the truth of the day. But at the end of all of this, we're looking at the potential if they did bring a lawsuit, they probably would have to sue KRRC. Well, KRC is ahead of the game. They got New York lawyers. They set it up as a nonprofit shell company, so you sue them.

They've pulled up like a cheap lawn chair. And the next thing you know, you're then up against the state of California, Oregon, because FERC said in one of their orders that in the event of any and all liabilities, the state of Oregon and California are on the hook. But what that means then is that just like when you file gun rights lawsuits here in the state of Oregon, you're up against a legal team that is able to force everybody else to pay them and hire dozens, if not hundreds of lawyers, to fight it. Is that kind of what we're looking at?

And maybe that's what Pacific Legal looks at. It's like, hey, we've got a lot of lawyers, but we don't have that many lawyers to take on Oregon and California. Maybe that's what's going on. You know, we need a change in law bill, and what we need to do, you sue the government, and they use your taxes to your own money to fight you. Yeah, to fight you, I know. That's just it. And unlimited funding, just like I had mentioned with the gun lawsuits as an example.

Right. Right. So what we need is we need the law that when they lose, they're personally liable. So if they go ahead and do that, let's see the city of Met for the or the county of Jackson brings one of these lawsuits or has one of these lawsuits and they're using county money. If they're in the wrong, I think there should be some sanctions against their personal pay. and you know this whole thing of qualified immunity you can get away with murder practically because if you're an elected official or whatever you got this qualified immunity you know which is very difficult to to break through I mean there's a big case here in

Ciskew County I guess the ACLU is after the county and the sheriff here and they may break through qualified immunity and if they do guess what these people will be personally on the hook yeah that's interesting you know if if you didn't have qualified immunity, there's two sides of this because they'll say, hey, if everybody's personally liable for what they perform as a government employee, then you'll get nobody that wants to do government service, if you want to call it that. The other side of that is that if you're doing everything right and not being overreaching and tyrannical, then you probably have less to worry about. I mean, so there's two ways of looking at it, right? How much

would government have done if everybody that was involved in KRRC and the dam removal, if they could have had their wealth taken away and confiscated, which is what happened to the people at Iron Gate Estates and various other property owners around the lake? Right. The standard, I think the standard of care bill is if you can show gross negligence. And so, or a trend of indifferent for the people. I mean, the reason we're a constitutional Republic is to protect the people, not to protect the government. The government are our agents. They are civil servants. And a lot of these people get into power and they think they're God or something. You know, they run around and, you know, they get a job and suddenly they act like

there's some sort of demigods or whatever. That's not the job. And people like that shouldn't be allowed to actually work for the people of the United States. You know, it's like our military veterans, you know, we just have Veterans Day. You know, those guys go out there and go into harm's way. And, and then they get done. And it's like, thank you, goodbye. We don't want to hear from me anymore. And, you know, you got veterans now on the street. You know, I don't know how many 50, 100 people committing suicide every, every day. I mean, it's just, it's terrible. And, but then you've got these politicians and bureaucrats who probably haven't stepped into the line of fire, a lot of them. Some of them probably have. But I don't see a lot of them running into a burning

building to save anybody. I mean, they'll run into a burning building to get their purrs and retirement fund. If they have to run in there to save you, forget it. Captain Bill Simpson, and his new song, which he wrote, he wrote the lyrics, and then had the AI singer. That's a good AI singer, by the way. I don't know who that is. Yeah, you can design, the software is pretty cool because you've got a lot of tools. You can do your musical arrangements. You can pick the type the singer, male-female, the tenor of the singer, you know, there's a lot of things you get to do. So you're kind of like a conductor of an orchestra. Yeah, and while it worked out pretty well in this case, I think it's the best one you've done.

Copco Road, and very much a protest about what happened with the land and the critters. And in later lyrics or later phrases of this, you talk about the tortoises and the various other things. And this is the lie of the environmentalists that were pushing this. I think the environmentalists were actually kind of the useful idiots to take care of Warren Buffett's desires to have that damn gone, okay? I think that was the useful idiot. Plus, you had people whose their life's work, Mr. Root, as an example, a guy used to run Sobroso. His whole thing was to get that damn pulled out, like a personal quest of his. Yeah, I think there's a lot of nonprofit malfeasance involved, too.

I mean, you know, these nonprofits need money, and, of course, these big companies and stuff want to get the job, and they know it's a battle in the media today. You know, basically they grabbed all the media's attention with all these, all this, you know, concocted images of fish and this and that. I mean, a lot of the pictures I've seen are not even on the Klamath River. They're from, you know, somewhere else. I want to talk about that here in just a minute. Can you hang on for another quick thing because people want to talk to you and ask a question, okay?

I'll be back with Captain William E. Simpson. and normally it's Wild Horse Fire Brigade, but his latest Copco Road is, by the way, on my Facebook page, and I'm going to put it up on KMED.com. And it's been shared dozens of times already and getting hundreds, if not, soon to be thousands of views and listens. And I think it's a great song. We'll talk more with Bill here in just a moment, 7705633.

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The Klamath dam removal and the damage there. And Captain Bill, people want to talk to you, including former state senator Herman Berencher. Herman, welcome. It's on your mind. Well, you know, I felt compelled to call today because this was actually the issue that got me involved in politics. And if you rewind the clock, how this all started is Pacific Power inherited this dam when they, when Brookshire-Hathaway Energy bought Pacific Power. It was an aging of infrastructure. It was hard to, you know, it wasn't the most cost efficient.

And it had some huge liability. So Pacific Power went to the legislature and said, hey, you've got to help us dig out of this. And so they passed that bill that put on everyone's power bill a charge to remove the dam. That way Pacific Power didn't have to pay for it. Yeah, it was essentially a taxpayer bail out of Pacific Corps. Right. And then the state of Oregon, the reason they did that is to leverage the tribes to, you know, that was their friends, and they like to help the tribes. So they used that.

And, of course, she had Governor Brown. She was a, you know, environmental fanatic. So that worked with her. And how that went down is at that time in the Senate, Courtney was the Senate. president, and every bill had to be bipartisan back in them days, which is pretty good thing Peter did. And so they had to get a Republican, and they got Jason Atkinson to vote for this. Now, ironically, what was interesting that day, as he gave his speech and it was the hardest

decision he ever made and everything, he had to do a conflict of interest because he was a consultant for Pacific Power at the time. which was, that's kind of quite interesting. So they got their bipartisan support, and away they went. And that's how I got into politics, is that issue. And I ran, I filed against Jason Atkinson. Now, what about, you know, Bill, were you familiar with that? Did you know that, Bill, Herman?

Yeah, yeah, I studied it in depth all the way back to the Clampment Compact Act. Yeah, what I'm kind of curious about, though, is that, How did we get to the point where the property owners around there were kind of treated as irrelevant? That's the question that I've kind of had, Herman, do you know? Is there a way to look at that? Herman or Bill? I don't know who wants to pick it up. Well, let Herman go and I'll let you go, Bill, okay?

Go ahead, Herman. So the state, Oregon, state of California had the public opinion was in their favor with the help of the tribes and all their other. folks that they got to help them. And unfortunately, such a small number of people, and this this is what really upset me, is just that such a small number of people just kind of got ran over. They just got lost in the discussion. I appreciate the history on that, Herman. Thanks for the call. We'll catch you on Tuesday's show, as always, all right? Be well. All right. Take care. Hey, Bill, do you want to add anything to that before we go to the next call on this?

Yeah, yeah. See, the thing is, everybody knew there was about a $500 million prize here to come in and do the work to remove the dam. And so there was just a flood of money running around and then promises and favors to, for instance, tribes. You know, they were going to get a big chunk of the work. You know, tribes got certain concessions. Unfortunately, the Shasta tribe, whose land the dams resided on hardly got anything, which because they didn't sign. a treaty back in the day. They're the one tribe that didn't give up to the cavalry. Yeah, they're not considered an official tribe or a recognized tribe, as it were. A tribe from way down river, who, back in the day, you know, back in the 15th, 14th century, if those tribes came up here, it would be a battle with the Shasta. But there was some trade, but still, you just didn't come up on somebody's land on their hunting grounds and fishing grounds. But anyway, yeah, there was just so much money floating around and then everybody just decided to ignore the constitutional rights, property rights of the

people who lived at Copco Village and along Copco Road. I mean, and then Ciskew County got jipped by KRRC on the road repair because in 1971 when they built Copco Road, it was $7 million project back then. I mean, that's when, you know, I was buying gasoline for my Chevy for 50 cents a gallon. I mean, you know, you look at the car. to do the road today. So they gave three, and I believe, somewhere between three and three and a half million dollars to the county to fix the road. The road's towed. I mean, it looks like a bombed out road in Bosnia. Three and a half million? That barely gets a few trucks, you know, out there to do any kind of repair work.

Well, Tom Deany, bless his heart, he's doing the best he can. I mean, we needed to have some heavy hitter negotiators deal with the KRC. Because these guys, you know, in my opinion, this thing was the biggest con job ever perpetrated on the American people and taxpayers. You know, they used a bunch of money from Proposition 1, which was designed to build dams, not tear down dams. Yeah, I remember that. Captain William E. Simpson, we're talking what happened with the Klamath, and, of course, you know, minor Dave. He's still battling just to get a road, another road, in him out of where he lives up there. But, all right, let me go to Randy.

Randy, you have a comment on this. Go ahead with Captain William E. Simpson. Yeah, this is regarding the fish thing. I've been trying to get a hold of you for a while, and I've got native Klamis in my family. I told them all along, you know, you're not going to be able to get those fish up there because they'll go back where they were born.

Now they're telling me they got fish up in the Williamson, up in the wood, you know, the salmon fish. I'm talking. Yeah. What's going on? Have you heard that? We're hearing weird story. That's a bunch of baloney because the salmon have a three, four-year life cycle at sea.

So when the babies swim down, they don't come back for three or four years. So the fish they introduced, you know, the dams, they pop the plug and dump, you know, what, seven million tons of sediment into the main stem of the Klamath and end of January 24. So any fish they put in in 24 probably didn't survive. The survival rate is less than 2% under ideal condition of the fry they drop in or the eggs that hatch. It's about a 2% less than 2% return rate. So in 2024, when they tried to dump fish in there and they're all found dead, you know, that first dump of, I think, Chinook, it was 850,000 dead baby fish.

They were forcing a bad situation. Now, it might be better this year in 2025, but the thing is, is those fish, are not going to come back. The fish dumped into 2025. We're not going to see those coming back until 28. So the fish we see now are fish that hatched in the river when the dams were here, and the returns we're seeing right now are the fish from pre-dam removal. So, you know, nobody wants to tell you that. They do not want to tell you the way it really is. Well, they're making it sound as if for some reason the fish coming back, this is because of the success of the dam removal. They were going to come back anyway because they successfully

survived the dam, the dam being there a number of years ago. Isn't that the truth of this Captain Bill? Right. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, Bill. And the government, in this case, and I'm not saying all government people are bad. There's a lot of great people working on our government. But the thing is, they lie by omission. That's how they get away with this crap. They show pictures of fish up here, but they don't tell you how they got here. You know, they're very careful about that. And, but, you know, I mean, and what they did was smart last year. I was watching them trucks bringing fish in, spawners, and from downriver, and they would drop them into the tributaries, and they were laying eggs. I videotaped it, and I said, hey, look, there's fish in Jenny Creek.

Now, nobody knows how they got there, and you don't see them saying they swam all the way up the river either, okay? So they leave it to the imagination of the people who have low information. They don't understand the life cycle of stamina and, you know, and that makes it really hard to understand really what's going on. And then you've got all these complex laws and all the mythology being put out there on the media. I mean, you look at the media campaign. They hired one of the, KRC hired one of the biggest media PR agencies in the United States to do all this work and to dominate the media. And, you know, and then they ingratiate themselves to everybody that comes up here to do a story. You know, like John Bartel came up here.

He wanted to interview me. And I says, why bother? You know, I gave him an interview with a Klamath tribal member right there listening at Jenny Creek. And I, and standing in front of the mess they made at Jenny Creek with all those loaders. And when I got done with my interview, that tribal member walked up and he said that whatever he said, pointing to me, he's just talking to John Bartel, he pointed at me and he says, what he said is all true. That sediment's got to be removed. And, you know, John didn't publish any of that.

He didn't put that in any of his videos. And then he came back up here a few months ago and they interviewed me, and I said, why? I said, and then I found out that they gave them a rafting trip. He came up, oh, yeah, let's go rafting, John, you know, hey. And they just show you what they want you to see. They don't show you the dark side of what happened. They don't show you the hundreds of animals that died in the mud because they didn't put up their fence on time. You know, they don't show you the...

They also didn't show the horses and other animals that... didn't get the water put out there for them either, did they? The violations of their, yeah, the violations of their permits, you know, I mean, you know, they did get permits to take, you know, a takings permit to, you know, obviously some animals are going to get dead when you do a project like this, you know, so they could kill so many eagles and so many deer. But the thing is that law says you don't get to just, you know, reckless. You know, you have to try to save as many as you can.

and you don't get to just, in wholesale fashion, wipe out wildlife. And so, you know, the fact that they didn't put up the fence on time, we lost all kinds of animals in that mud, and then they fenced off the heritage horses from their, I mean, they've been here for millennia, and they fenced off their source of water, and in their plan they promised to provide alternative water for the livestock, our horses are now livestock, they didn't do that either. So, I mean, they need to be sued, and personally,

I mean, this corporate thing where they can fold up and... Yeah, well, and that's just it. You know that's what would happen. You would... Because KRRC is, in essence, designed to go out of business, and it only had the money that Pacific Corps gave it in the first place, right? If I understand it. But you can...

A good law firm, I think Pacific legal could do this. If you show gross negligence, it doesn't matter. You've got personal liability. I mean, you know, Branson knew what he was doing was wrong. I mean, that whole plan, when they found out that the USGS was going to release their sediment report on the Klamath River on December 30th, that's when they decided to accelerate the dam removal and pull the plug and let all that crap come down. And they drained the lakes in about four days. You know, I mean, Elwh, they drained it over two-year period.

You know, they don't talk about that. But when you read with Sam Brinkman, the head of fishery and biology up there at Washington State, who's in charge of that project, you know, 12-year. years later, he was interviewed, and they said, well, when do you think the salmon runs are going to, you know, be back robust again? And he said it's going to be about 20 or 30 more years. Okay, we'll add that to the 12 already told. You know, you're out there 30, 40 years. What's going to happen here? The fishery biologists that tell me, they won't say this publicly because if you talk out of school with these people you work for, they furlough you. Yeah, yeah, you won't get the gig. You won't keep the gig, et cetera.

Yeah, yeah. So what they say is we're going to need a hundred-year flood to clean this place up now. I mean, that's what it's, the sediment is sitting in all the big deep, all the deep pools that the fish need. You know, they're kind of like stopovers, rest stops on the freeway for salmon coming up river. You know, you've got to have these big deep pools, and there's got to be gravel and a lot of critters living in that gravel, you know, which provides some sustenance. All of that's filled in with sediment. And to move all that clay down the river, it is going to take a hundred-year flood to clean all that up. Or a whole bunch of miners dredging. You know, they condemn miners for dredging, but actually there's science out there that shows that dredging actually creates more clean gravels for fish to spawn it.

Ultimately, you're right. I've read that too. Hey, Captain Bill, I'm out of time here, but I keep going on this. And I know a lot of people, this is stirring the imagination. Great job on the song. And we'll keep it up on. on KMED.com, too, where people can download it. It's got over a thousand listens now.

Yeah. It's 10 o'clock last night. I know. I think it's resonating with people because they get the scam, and you've given voice to that scam on that song, Copco Road. Thanks so much, and we'll have you back from Wild Horse Fire Brigade, okay? Be well. All right.

Thank you, Bill. Take care. All right, and we'll have to probably pick this up on Monday, just for basic time of the show and everything else. I appreciate you calling in, but we'll try to get back. back to this on Monday, Tuesday, or something like that. All right. Right now, though, we're going to do a pallet cleanser.

I'm going to get you a diner, 62 real American quiz prize, $20 gift certificate. I don't know what they delivered this morning, but the breakfast I get is always wonderful, and you'll get them to it. Today, Clam Chowder Friday is going on. And, boy, a hot open-faced sandwiches. That's the big special right now for the holiday. Pot roast sandwich served with mashed potatoes and brown gravy, hot turkey sandwich with mashed potatoes, and cranberry sauce, good stuff.

If you haven't won this in the last 60 days, you can win it next. 7705-633-770 K-M-E-D, and yes, since it is Edmund Fitzgerald week, and I talked with John, the author of the Gales of November, yep, we're going to do a quiz on something you don't know about the Edmund Fitzgerald. We'll play it next. Ready to upgrade your roof to a durable, sleek metal option? Visit Fontana Roofing Services.com The legend lives on from the Chippewa home down and the big lake they called Gichagoole. Yeah, second time this week I've had a chance to play this as a bumper.

The lake it is said never gives up her dead when the skies of November turn gloomy. And yeah, a lot of people know a lot about the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald from the song, but there's a lot that wasn't in about the Edmund Fitzgerald, and that's what we're going to talk about. today's Diner 62 Real American Quiz. Logan, how you doing this morning? Welcome. Doing good, Bill. November 10th, Edmund Fitzgerald, Sinks, Lake Superior, all 29 dead, weighed more than 13,000 tons, 730 feet long, not as big as the Titanic, but it was a big, it was a big ship, though, launched in 1958 as the biggest carrier in the Great Lakes and became

the first ship to carry more than a million tons of iron ore through the Sioux Locks. this is the question this morning, Logan. This is the interesting part. The sinking was the last mishap, the last thing that went wrong with the Fitzgerald, but it was not the first. Which of the following did not happen to the Edmund Fitzgerald before it sank? I have five choices for you. A, it ran aground. B, a man crushed in the cargo hold when they were loading the iron ore. C, it collided with a lock. D, the anchor was lost. it hit another ship. Which of those five did not happen?

Run a ground? Ran a ground. No! It did run a ground, and we'll tell you more about that story in just a minute. Let me go to Lauren. Hello, Lauren. How are you this morning? Oh, I'm okay, but oh, my, it's a hard question.

Okay, so we know it ran a ground, but a man was crushed in the cargo hold. It collided with a lock. The anchor was lost, or it collided with another ship. Which of those four did not happen? I'm going to guess the anchor was lost. The anchor was lost. No, the anchor was lost. They lost the front anchor one year in the Detroit River.

Okay, I'll tell you. See, this is the little known stuff about the Edmund Fitzgerald. Hi, who's this? Good morning. Hey, Jerry. Hey, Jerry. So, three things. A man was crushed in the cargo hold, it collided with a lock, or it collided with another ship. One of those three did not happen.

Which one? It didn't run into the lock. No, it did run into a lock. Oh, boy, this is interesting. And hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Dale.

Hi, Gail. Dale, Dale, rather. The Edmund Fitzgerald, a man was crushed in the cargo hold or it collided. with another ship. Which did... It collided with another ship. No, it did collide with another ship. Amazing.

Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? This is David. David. You're the last man standing. Was a man crushed in the cargo hold? Was he...

Yes, he was. And that's what I was going to guess. Okay, well, that was the right answer, but no. But he did not... But still... you're the last man standing you win david but yeah oh thank you don't okay so you get it i i knew what you meant i kind of confuse you there no a man was not crushed in the cargo hold loading the iron ore the taconite right but uh everything else did happen now the first incident with the

edmund fitzgerald september of nineteen sixty nine it ran a ground near the sue locks the year after that, it crashed into the SS Hokalaga, or Hotelaga, I think is what it is. After that, it hit a wall in the Sioux locks three separate times. All right, three separate times that happened. And then in January

1974, the ship's bow anchor was lost in the Detroit River. I don't know if they ever found it, but yeah, that's stuff about the Edmund Fitzgerald that you didn't know. Okay, hang on. We're going to set you up with Diner 62.