Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 11-17-25_MONDAY_6AM

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

11-17-25_MONDAY_6AM

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Hey, it's great having you here, 11 minutes after six on Monday. The 17th of November joined the conversation at 7705-633. 770KMED email at Billmyershow.com. The Facebook.com slash Bill Meyer Show feed is up.

and I appreciate you being here one way or the other. Hey, we've got a lot going on this morning. Kent Hicken Lively is going to join me here in just a few minutes. And I normally wouldn't get into such a crazy story this early on a Monday, but given what happened in a congressional hearing that practically got no coverage on it a few weeks, just a few weeks ago, and I guess maybe he had to do with all of the government shutdown drama and all the rest of it.

But a hellfire missile ended up striking a UFO, and they actually have it on, well, I guess it was formerly classified video. And a hellfire missile, or a tomahawk, pardon me, not a hellfire, a tomahawk ended up just bouncing off the UFO, which is kind of interesting. There is not a whole heck of a lot that a tomahawk couldn't take off. at least that was of this world so what Ken Hecken lively he was featured on a Fox News UFO investigation

documentary hit a couple million views and now he's exposing the deep state cover-ups is what he's claiming here in catastrophic disclosure and we're going to talk with him about that in around 20 minutes because you would think that something like this you know the Tomahawk missile bounces off

the flying object that nobody can tell where it comes from and just keeps on flying and nothing to see. Move along and time to go back to, you know, Democrat, bad, Republican good, you know, duck season, wabbit season, you know, that kind of thing. But we'll have a talk with I can't about that. Also, State Senator Noel Robinson is going to be joining me after 7 o'clock. We're going to be talking about incredible work over the weekend from the no-tax Oregon people. In fact, State Representative Dwayne Yunker text message me this morning. He said he's saying that, he's believing, he's thinking we already have 50,000, 50,000 of the 100,000 good signatures needed. Absolutely outstandingly good news, and I'm hoping this ends up keeping up. Now, I haven't signed it yet, so I'm going to be one of the people. I'll be 50,000 and 1. And, you know, we have through December 31st to be able to get these submitted.

but one way or the other, it's looking really good. Logan popped me a picture of people standing outside of a sportsman's warehouse in Medford, and the line was probably 100, maybe 150 people deep, I'm just trying to extrapolate that from looking at the pictures. So people are very, very interested in getting rid of this tax that the legislature, well, actually, Tina Kotech ended up signing on. Republicans didn't vote for this, but Tina Kotech, well, no, did Javadi vote for it? Javati's not a Republican. He's switched over back to the Democrats, but it is looking good.

It is guardedly positive. And Governor Kotech, of course, dragging her feet on this all this time, because I think the whole idea is that she was hoping that nobody was going to, yeah, you know, it's Christmas time and Thanksgiving and no one's going to look at this and Merry, Merry, happy, happy, ho, ho, all that kind of stuff. But no, people are showing up. Notaxor.com is the clearinghouse. And I think that I didn't get a chance to talk to Gary Clark over the weekend. He is the point guy here in Southern Oregon for it.

And I'll reach out to him during one of the breaks here. We'll see if we can get him on for a conversation about it too. But this is looking good. Looking good. Really happy to see that. Diana Anderson is going to be joining me. Another one of her big seminars that she's doing here. Absolutely free educational seminars.

Basically, she is really big on educating people about, you know, how to resist and recognize the globalist gangrene borg just about everywhere in our local governments. In our local governments, how to recognize it and continue to fight this out. All right. Some of our headlines for this morning. Chris Dudley, former Blazer, according to Oregon Live, testing waters for a 2026 run for Oregon Governor. Now, we already have, of course, Christine Drazen, who I talked to last week about this for a little bit, and also, it'll see also, oh, gosh, Bethel, Ms. Bethel will be also running.

I just forgot her first name, though, the county commissioner up in the northern part of the state. But Danielle, thank you, Daniel Bethel. Okay, someone's yelling at me. I heard it psychically, I guess. Danielle Bethel, yes, she's the second one. So, Chris Dudley, is that going to happen? We don't know. according to Oregon Live, actively weighing whether to jump into next year's race for governor.

And he told, oh, Live Friday, he's grown frustrated with Oregon's lack of progress on pressing issues, especially its poor education scores. That would be a game changer. Now, we know that Christine Drazen has quite a bit of money raised already. Governor Kotech, I think, has $1.5 million in the campaign. I think, what did they say about, they didn't mention. Let's see. Danielle Bethel has pretty less than $100,000, $55,000 on hand. Christine Dresen, Senator Dresen has $760,000, and Governor Kotech has $1.6 million on hand.

Really early, though, the one thing I would mention, and the way it's been referred to me, I think it was Herman and I were talking about this, that Governor Kotech raised $30 million. last election cycle. And so that's probably what would end up taking to really make it happen. Hmm. And money's not everything, but it's not nothing. And what would Chris Dudley be able to raise? Probably doing pretty well. He'd probably be pretty good at that.

He's the Republican who has gotten closer than anyone else. Nobody else has gotten any closer. So anyway, interesting news. He's weighing it. A lot of his figuring out. whether or not he can do it, whether or not he thinks he can. Well, I think it would be very popular. That would be a very interesting primary battle, wouldn't you think?

All right, 18 minutes after six. Other headlines will touch on some of that, too, 77056633-770KMED. If you wanted to join in early on the Bill Meyer show, when it tell you 40 years. Hi, I'm Dwayne Barclay with American Ranch Garage, and I'm on KMED. 20 minutes after 6, joining you at 7705-633. Are you joining me? Maybe we'll just joining together one way or the other.

Monday the 17th. Let me head to the phone and see what's going on in your mind. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hi, Bill. It's Cliff. Hey, Cliff. How are things with you today, huh?

Ah, great. I'm going to talk about the petition. Okay. What happened? I went over to the Republican headquarters here in Central Point. And it's on the corner of Manzanita and Highway 99, one-a-half blocks north of West Pine. And there's three petitions in there if you want to sign all three.

One's the gas tax. The other one is the mail-in ballot, do away with the mail-in ballot, and do away with toll roads. Okay. So that's available. If you don't want to get in line, know, one of those big, big to-does that they're offering up. Okay, well, you know, at least, though, that there was a lot of turnout, though, people

that are showing a lot of interest, and that's a good thing. You'd have to agree, right? Oh, yeah, $50,000? Yeah, yeah. And it's only been open, what, four or five days? Yeah, if that, I think Friday was the, well, yeah, I guess today would be the fourth day at the end of the day. But, yeah, I think this is looking, I would be guardedly optimistic that we're going to

make that $100,000 relatively easily. But I don't want to count chickens before they are hatched and clucking at us, okay? That's the way I look at it. One would hope so. You said that there was something bugging you, though. What was that? What do you mean bugging me? Oh, I thought you were, I was, maybe I misconstrued what you were saying.

I thought that you were, you know, upset about what was going on over at the Republican Party headquarters. Oh, no, no, no. The only problem is, is it's next to Dusty's transmission and the parking lot is quite full with the risks to be fixed. Okay, all right. So it's just a little crowded neighborhood, right? Correct. Okay. The one thing that is great about where Jackson County moved it, though, is that you're no longer going to be dealing with broken windows and homeless, just wandering in a mountain and causing all sorts of threats like they were in downtown Medford, unfortunately.

It was just a bad experience over there for the longest time. Oh, okay. I've got an update on that, and it was one person, it was the younger person, that went through there and broke the windows and stuff. And he was arrested and whatever the outcome of that was. And that was with the ladies in there at the... Yeah, a lot of the women folks did not feel safe being in downtown. Medford late in the evening to, you know, do party work.

So that was why there was a desire to move out of that. And I'm hoping that, but don't worry, Cliff, don't worry, the development of Creekside quarter and a ball stadium that will take care of the homelessness problem and criminal problem in downtown Medford in the evening. It's not a problem, okay? Don't worry. Well, I don't know if you read the thing that came out from the city of Medford on the baseball field.

Yeah. They're talking about, you know, urban renewal, tax. increment financing and that you know how that works is that it takes tax property tax money from other entities that are in within that urban renewal area yeah within that district right right and it goes to the baseball field so what happens is that they now the claim they're making is once again you have to be very specific about you know how you talk about such things they'll say we are not going to raise your property taxes to do the baseball stadium, right? And they're telling the truth about that.

But the other part about it is we will be taking property tax money that was going to go to the city of Medford for various other services and spend it on the baseball stadium, right? That's kind of what you're getting at. Right. Don't look behind the curtain. Yeah. And then, of course, there will be complaints about, oh, we don't have enough property tax money in order to take care of. of services. So we'll have to raise your utility fee again. Right. Right. Right. So the...

But, okay, but my position on that fee bill is that anybody who's hooked up to the sewer is paying the fee. So the fee is spread out to more properties than it would be under property tax only. No, I would agree with you. I would agree with you. The one difference, though, is that at least property tax revenue is normally referred to for the voters. The voters have to say yes. You have no say, well, I mean, you do have say indirectly by recalling or getting rid of or not voting for a city councilor. But for the most part, though, it just gets voted in and then people get irritated by it. In fact, to me, I don't think that we have any control over our cost of living at all unless we have a say on property tax, or not property tax.

well, property tax too, but the fees. Now, you do know that what happened? Did you hear what happened last week in the city of Ashland? Did you hear about their deal with the fees? No. Yes, there was a deadlock. There was a deadlock, and Mayor Tanya Graham ended up breaking the tie to say no, but what they were going to do, what some counselors had wanted to do,

was to place all of the fees, the fees like those utility fees and those park fees, and put them on the ballot for city. of Ashland residents. And see, to me, that would have been the ideal way of looking at it. In other words, if you're going to raise my fees and you're going to be spending this money, it's performing the job of taxes under any other name, then people should be weighing in on this. But the mayor said, nope. And so it remains the same.

But there's more of a rumbling going on out there, okay? About doing this. Well, you know, at least maybe there needs to be an initiative petition to where a property owner or someone is hooked to the fees can write them off on their taxes, and another petition would be to limit how much they can increase the fee buy. I would prefer that we just have a say on it if you're going to do a hike of it, send it to the voters. But I would also agree with, well, you know, I kind of like your idea, though, But remember, this whole idea of having only, in an ideal world, the only people who should be voting on these fees are the people who have to pay them.

And that would not mean the great, you know, someone who is not a property owner. But they don't like just having property owners do that because it's, you know, racist, one man, one vote, you know, all that kind of stuff here, Cliff. Well, I know. I know that because, you know, I watch the rental industry. And in L.A. just recently, they just put a cap on pre-1978 rental houses at 4% at the most. And they've got some formula down there. So the most you can raise rent on rental units pre-78 built is 1 to 4% now in L.A. proper. Yeah. Okay. That's not going to cause problems with the rental world, will it? Not at all.

No, no. It's just a killer for new development. That's all. Yeah, that's it. Hey, Cliff, I appreciate the update on, though. And thanks, sir, and glad you signed, too. And I'll sign this week for sure, okay? Okay, have a good one.

You too, no. Bye. All right. 28 minutes after 6-7-0-5-633. Daily Courier had an interesting story over the weekend, and they have a good. agreed, Grants Pass School District, that is, having agreed to pay $650,000 to settle that long-running I-resolved lawsuit. And they admit fault to the two teachers, the educators who were fired in 2021 after they were

publicly lobbying for limits on the transgender rights, you know, that story. So terms of that settlement finally released on Friday. Okay, all right. Meanwhile, the Trump administration is going to require snap people to reapply for benefits. Oh, can you hear the hand-wringing that's going to be coming out of this one, huh? Agricultural Secretary Brooke Rollins, this in Politico, said the USDA will have people who are in SNAP reapply for benefits, and they're going to require millions to do this. They want to crack down on fraud. And apparently, Ag Secretary Brooke Rollins saying, on Thursday,

she wants to have everybody reapplied, and she didn't provide further information. bond how they would do this. But the whole idea is that they're finding about a half million people that have been getting benefits twice under the same name. And 5,000 dead people were supposedly getting benefits somehow. So very, very interesting. Now, listen for the hand ringing to begin. How are we going to have our government idea? How did you get SNAP benefits without a government idea is kind of one of the first things I would say. But maybe we'll agree to disagree on that one way or the other, okay? We'll check the rest

of the news here and then let's find out why it is that nobody seems to want to talk about a tomahawk missile bouncing off a UFO. So we'll go off into coast to coast for a little bit. Yeah, I've got to talk with, what's his name? Kent Hecken-Lively is his name. His book's coming out tomorrow. Fontana Roofing

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early in the day to be talking about what's going on with extraterrestrial activity here. But, you know, the book's coming out tomorrow. I had the opportunity to talk with New York Times bestselling author, Kent Hecken-Lively. And the way the news about disclosure stuff is not being talked about is kind of astounding to me. Kent Hecken-Lively does join me. You can find out more about this book, by the way, Kent Heckenlivelybooks.com. Catastrophic Disclosure, The Deep State, Aliens, and the Truth. How are you doing this morning, Kent?

Thanks for waking me up. Great. Great, Bell. Okay. How did you get involved in this in the first place? Because you ended up getting together with a UFO documentary, a documentary, rather, director, you know, on this. And somehow you thought there was a story here, huh? Yeah. So just so your audience knows me a little bit, this is my 20th book, and it's the first time I've ever taken a walk on the wild side and done anything paranormal. Usually I'm writing about corruption in medicine, science, big tech, big media. But in the summer of 2023, there was a really interesting series of hearings in Congress with whistleblowers, David Grush, and others in which they talked about this secret crash retrieval program of our United States government.

And since I'd written about Congress before, I knew that before they allow you to testify in Congress, they vet you pretty thoroughly. And so, as I listen to their story and I listen to them do things that struck me wrong. Now, I'm trained as an attorney. I got my law degree in 1990. And, you know, if I go into a courtroom, everybody's got to raise their right hands, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them God. And when I listen to these whistleblowers talk and they were asked really pertinent questions by the congressmen, they'd say things like, I can't answer that in an open session. I can only answer that in a skiff.

Oh, and if we were in a skiff and you ask me this question, I'd have to go to somebody else who's the gatekeeper to get permission to answer it. And I said to myself, something's wrong there. And so I was fortunate enough to be friends with probably one of the world's top documentary filmmakers, a guy named Michael Mazzola, who'd been interested in one of my previous books. And so I called him up and asked what was going on. And that's when he gave me this phrase that became the title of our book, Catastrophic Disclosure.

And he said, what's happening behind the scenes is that the intelligence people are talking about wanting controlled disclosure of UFO material, and what they feared was catastrophic disclosure. How would they define disclosure as catastrophic? Well, that's the central question of my book, of our book, which is, what would be catastrophic? And what my filmmaker, co-author, suspects is that what they want to do is they just want to say, aliens are here in their craft, do a lot of stuff that we can't do. That would be the control disclosure. The catastrophic disclosure would be, we've reversed engineered a lot of these technologies,

and if those reverse engineering technologies were to come out into the public, it would radically change our world economy because we could move away from fossil fuel. We could go to these other fuels. Now, I have no idea whether that's true. And I think it's really important that your audience know. I've never seen a UFO. I've never been abducted. Don't have any missing time.

I'm just your average every man. But in other words, what you're telling me, though, that you're not a true believer being led hook line and sinker necessarily. Is that kind of where you come from? No, and in fact, what I wanted to do was I wanted to, I felt like the entire UFO field needed a refresh. And so the framework was the congressional hearings, but then I wanted to go back to the original stories, you know, go back to Roswell, go back to other stories, and take a look at them with fresh eyes. And, you know, talk to the leading experts in the field. You know, I interviewed Dr. Stephen Greer a lot, constitutional lawyer Danny Sheehan,

who's leading the effort in Congress. Congressman Eric Burleson became a very close friend of mine during the writing of this book. And so what I'm trying to do is sort of give a skeptical kind of view, but I want to listen to people. And the thing that has struck me is a lot of really good, well-meaning people are reporting, seeing things. And, you know, I might be more likely to dismiss that if I felt our government was open about their claims. But it seems that there's an active campaign of the concealment. And when I talk to people in Congress like Burleson, like Tim Burchett, they echo those sentiments, and they're kind of like me, which is like, I don't know what's true. but I know somebody's lying to me about something.

Yeah. Are, is there any evidence in your view that what we're trying to have – in fact, I even wondered about this when Tucker Carlson back when he was on Fox News was starting to talk a lot about this. And the bells that went off in my head were, oh, this is a limited hangout, all right, when you end up getting a lot of more of the government people talking. Do you ever have that suspicion to, that sort of thing? Oh, all the time. And that's why I just said, you know, this book is going to be called catastrophic disclosure. And I'm going to ask the question, what are they hiding? And I'm going to investigate what I think are the most controversial areas.

Now, one of the things that we do is near the end of the book, we spent about 40 to 50 pages on the so-called Peruvian Alien Mommies, which my co-author is doing a film on called This Is Not a Hoax. And these are 40 to 60 bodies that have been recovered from the area around Nazca, Peru. And they're weird things. They've been DNA tested. They've been CAT scan. They've been X-rayed. These are human-like beings.

But instead of having five fingers or four fingers and a thumb, they've got their three-fingered, three, code creatures. Yeah. But they look very human, and we've got pictures of them in the book, you know, what they look like in their mumfied state, and what they look like in the under cat scan, which is, you know, they're not dolls because they have structures of bone and muscle and organisms. One of the creatures is even pregnant. So there's something going on.

And so, you know, I really wanted to go to what the best evidence was for things that we currently don't understand. And, you know, I interviewed a lot of the Latin American doctors who have investigated these creatures, as well as some Americans who've done it as well. Kent Heckenlively, once again, Kent Heckenlively Books.com. The book drops tomorrow, catastrophic disclosure, the deep state aliens, and the truth. All right. Now, I know that anytime you kind of go down this rabbit hole, people automatically think you're crazy, right? Do you get that even right now still after all these years? Yeah. You know, what I say is, like, on most of these issues, I'm kind of an 85, 15% believer. So, you know, you can't listen to all of these regular people, tell these stories, knowing that they're going to be attacked for claiming these things without having, you know, a lot of sympathy for them. Now, do I know what's really going on? No. Is it possible that every 50,000 hours the human brain just malfunctions in some weird way? and creates a UFO encounter, I suppose. It's possible.

But it's kind of like that UFO video that was released in Congress by Congressman Berluson about the UFO off the coast of Yemen. Now, what's really that they shot a hellfire missile at. Now, here's what you have to believe if you believe this is wrong. So you have to believe that, number one, the sensor on a drone locked on to something that wasn't there. Then what you have to believe is that a second drone with another set of sensors locked its missile onto that craft, fired its hellfire missile at that thing, and that hellfire missile, for some reason, the camera on the first drone malfunctioned because it showed the missile

hitting that UFO and breaking apart as it kept going. So what is, I don't know how you can explain, you know, humans seeing this thing, multiple sensors seeing this thing. Multiple drones seeing this thing, right? And then the weirdness of our missile not exploding. You know, what it tells me is whatever these aliens are, they're not narco-terrorists coming from Venezuela because we seem to be able to blow them up pretty easily. Good point. Yeah. No problem. We have yet to see the missiles bounce off the boat. That is for sure. So what do you think then is the best theory that are you thinking that we are seeing or witnessing some things which have just been reversed engineered and maybe what we're thinking of as, you know, extraterrestrial influence is actually extraterrestrial technology that we're we're using and just kind of hiding it out in plain sight, or is there something else going

on? What would you say? It's a great question, and depending upon which UFO experts you talk to, you know, they will give you different percentages of, you know, what people are seeing in the sky as whether it's our reverse engineered craft or something truly alien. But then that always, you know, raises a question to me, well, reverse engineered from what? And so, so 85% I'm pretty, I'm 85% convinced that we do have crashed UFOs, that we have reverse engineered them, we have had some success in doing it, and this is something that they are hiding behind the veil of a controlled disclosure. And so, you know, and it's kind of like, hey, 85% of me says, I'm.

a good guy because I'm pressing for complete disclosure, and I don't think it's going to destroy our world. But I don't know. You know, maybe there's something really dark and sinister that we shouldn't know about, and we should let the spooks, you know, do their stuff in the dark. But, you know, I'm going to have that conversation until somebody tells me why I'm wrong. You know, Kent, I'm going to bring up maybe another aspect of this or another theory on this. And is there a possibility, though, that – and maybe this is why they're really not wanting catastrophic disclosure, is that we have world governments actively working with extraterrestrial intelligence and some of the stuff you see going on in our world like, oh, okay, let's AI absolutely everything and bring on the singularity, you know, kind of thing. And you're not supposed to ask any questions. I know this may be a little bit far afield from your book, but has there been any thought or theory floated by you that way?

Just kind of interesting. Yeah, and so here's, here, for people who like me or dislike me, you know, let me say this. I will investigate the crazy theories and give them all the space they need to spin out their ideas, which I do. And I let you know that just because I hear something doesn't necessarily mean I believe it. but you know I'm kind of like a free speech guy so hey if you seem to be relatively reasonable as many of these UFO people are I'm sorry I want to listen to everything you have to say yeah well all I'm doing is floating the theory because it seems like there are interesting things pushing the technocracy or pushing the automation of human thought moving forward and it makes

me wonder that you know what's the end game on something like that and could uh foreign intelligence a really foreign intelligence be part of that. I just start wondering, that's all. Yeah, it's kind of interesting when you read some of the earlier UFO books. Like I do a deep dive into Colonel Philip Corso, who wrote the book the day after Trinity, day after Roswell. And, you know, what he says is that, you know, he really believes that there are things to be worried about with these creatures. And he justified that. So it's very interesting, and, you know, the question is not just our humans lying, but, you know, are these alien creatures lying in, you know, in what they're telling us? Because I kind of have this belief that, and this gets me in trouble with UFO researchers who tend to believe that these creatures are entirely benign, which is, I say to them, you know, look, for all of the,

the terrible things that humanity has done, I believe in the ability of human beings given accurate information to come up with the right decisions. And I genuinely think that if these aliens revealed themselves, that humanity would kind of grow up really quickly and put away a lot of the negativity. So, hey, aliens, if you're listening, please tell us what's really going on, because I don't like all this cloak and dagger stuff. Yeah, and if you are being cloak and dagger, why is that, which of course gives me pause and starts, now this is just pure conjecture on my part, but I've read a lot of UFO books over the years, you know, in my life.

And some of them I just kind of my eyes glaze over, you know, on some of it. But why this assumption that the influence is benign or it's good or we are here to help you. Everything is born, you know, that kind of thing. And I need a little bit of evidence. In all the words, maybe what we think of as the demons and the devil in religious lore, you know, could it be something like this? And this is why the secrecy.

I don't know if you even go down. That might be a silly even thing to raise up, but I'll do it anyway. No, but, you know, the question I raise is, like I said, maybe I'm the good guy pushing for disclosure. Maybe I'm the bad guy. You know, maybe these, the shadow government and, you know, who is keeping all this information. Well, yeah, the permanent administrative state, the ones that don't care about the elections. We all are well familiar with that concept by now, Ken.

Yeah, but, you know, I jokingly say, well, maybe I'm the bad guy. Maybe they are the ones keeping us safe. And if they've spent trillions of dollars to create, to develop planetary defenses against, these creatures, I might go, hey, good job, guys. I just spent the money. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. But otherwise, if you're using it in order to increase perhaps your particular standing,

political power, and or wealth, one could wonder, right? Yeah. Could that be a part of it? And, you know, I'll kind of deal with you. You know, we know how to, we'll work together, that kind of thing, because, you know, that's another side of human nature that we're well familiar with, right? Yeah, and, you know, what's really interesting about, the, going back to the Peruvian mummies, is they've done some DNA testing on it.

I'm not going to say it's confirmed, but it shows that these creatures kind of like are about 70% from earthly DNA. And it's, it's mostly human, but it's not humans from South America. It's humans from Asia. And there are two species of chimpanzee, the regular chimpanzee and the so-called pygmy or bonobo chimpanzee, and then it's 30% unknown DNA. And it makes me think, like, wow, okay, if I was an alien race and I was coming to a new planet, I, you know, I might not be designed for that planet. So would I design creatures that could exist and be under my control, in other words. And I go, that's a really interesting hypothesis. Let's see how the evidence goes there. But I also find myself saying, well, geez, if there were a group of

humans who are experimenting with human and ape DNA to create these hybrids, we would think of them as modern-day Nazis. And so I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with these aliens. I'm not sure that I'm comfortable that they're just benign. They may be so different from us that they, you know, they're not coming to eat us, but maybe they have practices, which we would find absolutely horrifying, and, you know, we would want to go to war with them. Yeah, and I, and I would love to know a little bit more about that, but then it may, I guess part of the catastrophic disclosure, as you would term it, might turn humanity's concept of what the, of what the world really is upside down to the point that they're thinking what people will just be killing

each other and fighting each other and going crazy i guess that's that's the fear right if we were to really know and you know in the last chapter we go kind of deep into history and it's really interesting you know you look at the samarian text you look at the evidence from biology and genetics and what's really weird about human history is we've been about the same creatures for 130,000 years, but it was, but it was only about 45,000 years ago that we developed kind of high technology, the ability to go after large animals and things like that. And it's a weird thing. And, you know, some scientists have suggested that there were only a relatively few tweaks to our brain, genetic tweaks to our brain that allowed us to develop the technology that we

have today, you know, things like fish hooks. You know, 50,000 years ago, humans weren't using fishhooks, for example. Well, what happened? And, you know, when you go back into some of the Sumerian texts and everything, they talk about the Anunaki and them changing human beings. And you go, gosh, what if this is not just a myth? What if this is, you know, their best attempt to tell the history of the human race? And then it looks kind of different because it looks like, hey, we're, you know, What would be catastrophic is, in some circumstances would be, not that we are created by God,

not that science, we are created by natural selection, but somebody tinkered with us. So, you know, would that shake faith in both God and science? You know, that's a very interesting point, yeah. I hadn't considered it because, you know, both sides of this aisle, this extraterrestrial aisle, would be shaken to their core of humanity. Yeah. Oh, to think that we're just someone's, that we could be potentially someone's scientific experiment is not exactly a real comforting thing, is it? Yeah, as I refer to us in the, at the end of the book, you know, maybe we're the latchkey kids of the galaxy.

You know, they created with us, and then they left us to our own devices. And part of catastrophic disclosure might be keeping that out. I don't know. It could be Kent, heck and lively, is on the show here right now. Do you have time for a couple of calls before you take off? I don't know how busy you are this morning. Can't do you? All right. I'm live without Annette, so we haven't pre-screened these things, so hopefully they're not too weird. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Colonel Jay. Jay, okay, you got a good question? No, no screwing around, okay?

No, no. We'll go straight to the point. I was living over on Union Avenue, and 19204, I asked God in the kitchen. I was like, hey, Hey, our alien is real. And about four seconds later, I get a knock on the door, and I open the door. There's like a young nine-year-old boy, and he had a tweed jacket on. It looks like he was ready for church, you know, bowl hair cut and everything. Yeah. And he says, can I live with you? And then I started asking questions like, where's your family?

Where do you live? Well, is that evidence, though, of aliens, though? That sounds a little bit of a stretcher, Jay. No, this is a hybrid. Oh, that's where you were going on that. Do you delve into that in this book, Ken? Well, you know, when you look at the Peruvian mummies, you have to ask the hybrid question because they seem to be hybrid creatures.

So the question is, you know, and these mummies are at least, 1700 years old. So who the heck was doing genetic experimentation 17 hundred years ago? Certainly not humans. All right. Fair enough. Let me grab one more. Then we'll have to go. But hi, who's this? Good morning. Welcome. Morning, Bill. Hey, interesting topic. Hey, thanks for bringing me on. Oh, you bet. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Scott from Eagle Point. Yes, Scott. Fire away. Yeah. Hey, in all of my research, over 40 years of Satchwatch, I find a connection a lot of times of the end. Now, does the author ever run into this really commonoid connection in the

Pacific Northwest? All right. It's good question. Thanks for making that, Scott. I know that other people have theorized the Sasquatch thing. I am aware of it, but it is not in this book. It's not. Okay. All right. It's catastrophic disclosure, the deep state, aliens, and the truth here. Now, would you agree then that there seem to be elements of our own government at this point that are sort of battling it out with each other as to how much we're supposed to know, kind of like a Super Epstein file of sorts? Yeah, and it's exactly what I hear from Congress is exactly what I hear from people at Congressman Eric Burleson and Congressman Tim Burchett, which is they want to get to the truth. And they're very clear that they believe they're being blocked, and somebody is not treating Congress as the people in charge of government. So they're very upset about it, and I think that we should be as well. Yeah.

Go away, little boys and girls, because you know the ones really in charge, right? That would be a little irritating if I were a congressman or senator, wouldn't it? Yeah. Oh, they're hopping mad behind the scenes about how they're being treated. I appreciate that. Catastrophic disclosure. You can find out more. Kent Heckenlivley Books.com. Very interesting. It's going to drop tomorrow. And like I said, you've written a lot of books, but this is the first time you ended up crossing into this aisle. And I find that interesting. All right. Hey, thanks so much, Kent. Good talking with you. Be well. Thanks so much, Bill.