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Episode Date: November 18, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. A delight to have you here on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Pebble in your shoe Tuesday the day, which you can. Well, relieve your stress and cortisol. One of the best things you can do to relieve stress and cortisol.

Now, I know there are some people that are saying that the way you relieve stress is that you grab your earlobes and you pull them down 10, year at 10 times really hard i hear that's the next hot trend that people are talking about but another way is just call in and share your issues share your issues 770 5 633 770 km ed dr carroll leberman md will join me after 630 always enjoyed talking with her america's therapist the terrorist therapist as it as it goes to and we wanted to talk a little bit about something it's been bugging me a bit and this is why uh trump's assassin in Butler, Pennsylvania, there has been such a reticence about getting information. It's like you've got to drag it out of the FBI.

Finally, Cash Patel released some. And kind of wondering why it's been so difficult to get this information, stuff that people will be able to find out in public records, but then the FBI has been very kind of closed mouth about it all. You're finding out that the guy was essentially a fetish kind of weirdo. them pronouns, you know, the same thing, the Island of Misfit Human type of a situation. And it was into furries. I guess one of his favorite fetishes apparently was, you know, a heavily muscled type of

male with a female head on it. It's, yeah, just there's all sorts of weird stuff going on there. And so that's why Dr. Carol Lieberman can kind of go down that rabbit or furry hole or, you know, whatever you want to call it. another one that is bugging me. This has been a pebble in my shoe for a long, long time. It has to do with Oregon's reading scores and the ability to read and how, and I was thinking about this the other day as I was looking at my Jackson County property tax and then a statement and realizing how many thousands of dollars, I think it's about $1,500 a year, maybe $1,800 or so a year on my property, just my property alone, going into the local school districts. And you would think that with every one of these houses in my neighborhood, $1,800, $1,800, $1,800, $1,800, you would figure that at some point we would figure out a way to be able to enable children to read. And this whole thing about Oregon, now the latest ratings, Oregon is out, and, of course, tens of thousands, you know, what, $15,000, $16,000 per year per child is assigned to them in the government school districts on average, you know, in the state of Oregon.

And we are at the absolute bottom, state number 50, number 50 out of 50, or 50 out of 57 if you're in the Obama administration, but 50 out of 50 when it comes to fourth grade reading proficiency. 50 is not good. In other words, as we have the urbanites in Portland and Salem and everywhere else, there's rednecks in the south. No, the South reads better. The kids read better. Mississippi reads better than Oregon. California reads better. Who know?

It's just amazing. And I was reading this article in the Willamette week yesterday. I didn't get a chance to talk about it yesterday, but I thought I'd save it for a pebble in your shoe Tuesday. And it talks about, and we put our money where our values are. K through 12 schools claim the largest share of Oregon's general fund. and our spending per capita ranks 15th in the nation, according to education data.org. But as the latest statewide test scores make clear, it says, that investment is failing to yield the outcomes that parents want for their children

by any meaningful measure were among the worst states in America. Oregon comes in last in fourth grade reading scores. And 49th for eighth grade math. One in three students chronically absent, according to state figures. And in many states, Oregon's numbers would spark outrage, and here they barely get a shrug. So I guess, you know, I guess the fact that our natural beauty is supposed to make up for the fact that we're stupid, right? Now, Christine Pitts was interviewed as part of this Willamette Week story, and Christine Pitts says there's a simple reason why Oregon kids don't know how to read. She's a Portland-based education policy expert, president and CEO of Open School, Inc., a nonprofit that runs an alternative high school and provides a student mentoring and trains tutors in early literacy instruction.

Now, Christine says the problem is that no one's checking how they're taught. She grew up in rural Oregon and earned her teaching degree, and she's a mother of four, including a kid with dyslexia. she has studied the science of reading and how it connects with state policy. So Christine Pitts is saying the main problem is that we have too much... Now, see, this is it. I know you're going to probably throw up in your mouth a little bit.

Christine Pitt says the main problem with the kids not being able to read is that there is too much local control. Did you hear what I said too much local control. This coming from the state, and she would have to know this, the state that does everything to make sure that school boards are essentially rubber stamps for the liberal woke Oregon Department of Education.

She says the main problem is that we're not focused on the science of reading. I just want to go crazy. My eyes want to just blood shooting from my eyes and I want to just, you know, when I hear this kind of stuff, did you learn how to read when you were a kid through the science of reading? This is a serious question I have for you this morning. And I would love to get your take, because this is the kind of pointy-headed, nonsense that I have been reading about educational process for decades. Decades.

You're doomed. Doomed, I tell you. Back to this. In other words, we don't have enough top-down management of the schools. But one of the biggest problems is that the schools have been top-down managed forever and ever. All we do is just kind of, you know, make a few changes around the edges. Other than that, boy, you better be.

you know, showing kids how to use the condom and you better let them use their pronouns and you, oh, it's, and I'm here to talk about the science of reading. It couldn't be that the educational system tries to make everything so overly complex because, after all, you parents who taught your children to read, you didn't understand the science of reading. you're not qualified to teach your child to sound out the words. You know, use the phonics. Oh, phonics. We're not supposed to mention that. Phonics is probably still a dirty word. But Christine Pitts is saying, yeah, we need more top-down.

And the state's not paying enough attention. There's not enough top-down control over local schools. And no one's paying attention to whether the kids read or not. Well, I don't know, maybe some of the problems are that the teachers can't read. Maybe the teachers can't read, too. You know, the generations of generations, maybe it's a multi-generational illiteracy, but it makes my teeth hurt in my eyes squirt blood when I read all of this nonsense about the science of reading. I'll tell you how the science.

Now, I'm just going to give you my personal experience. And I know how that personal experience went, because here I am, a relatively good, accomplished reader. I was reading at 600 words per minute in second grade. And you know what happened, how we were taught reading? We sounded the words out. My mom sat me on her lap when I was a four-year-old, and she pulled out a book, and then she started building the words out. Okay, C-H-A-N-G-E. C-H-Billy, that's a ch-ch-ch-changer, you know, that kind of thing.

And we did it again and again and again for all the different words. You sound it out. You start learning the basics of how the English language is built, and there you go. Now granted, if you're dyslexic and you have some other learning disabilities, okay, maybe you have to work on some other things. But we're not all dyslexic. this whole thing about the I just want to scream in fact I think I did scream

you know a little bit about this the science of reading well the science of reading if you're not doing the science of reading well that means you have to hire more scientists from the teaching schools right isn't that kind of what's implied by this sort of thing how did we get to this point when we're talking about the nonsense of science of reading when I would venture that

most everyone who knows how to read within the sound of my voice was taught to sound out the words and then the building blocks of language kind of worked and and maybe we also had parents who read I would imagine there are a lot of kids today that are living in households that the parents don't read if the parents aren't reading the kids probably aren't going to read either there's no culture of reading so I want to ask you what is the science of reading The science of reading. Follow the science. Follow the science.

I think that's code word for there need to be high priestesses hired in the education. This is a situation at very expensive rates in order to fix this problem. That somehow parents, just a generation or two ago, were able to figure out. By the way, how do homeschoolers around here in Southern Oregon teach their kids to read if they're not plugged into the science? of reading. She blinded me with science, science, science. Tell me how you learn to read. Or maybe you haven't learned how to read.

There are people like this too. I'm not trying to pass judgment, but this science of reading nonsense, and of course the Willamette Week is just falling all over this person. Well, Christine Pitts, this is water. After all, you've got a nonprofit that you're teaching. You do a lot of mentoring, et cetera, et cetera. The science of reading and more top-down control.

Do you agree with that or not? 7705633. This is the Bill Meyer show on KMED and 993 KBXG. I appreciate you waking up and dealing with my pebble in my shoe this morning. In your quest for driving excellence, Mercedes. I started the show off talking about Christine Pitts, who is an educational luminary up in the north side of the state. And she says the reason that Oregon is number 50 in reading

is because there's not enough top-down control of our local schools and that we're not paying attention to the science of reading. State Representative Dwayne Yonker heard my plea this morning. I guess your ears were burning. You had to weigh in on this because you're up in Salem right now because it's legislative days, isn't that right? That's correct. I was going to say, I was heard you crying. Yeah, my eyes were bleeding, and fortunately my glasses stopped the blood from hitting the microphone.

But she says that we're not into the science of reading. And I hear this science of reading talk all the time, and I just want to smack people upside the head. please say me what what did they mean by the science of meaning of of reading representative it's phonics it's phonics fonics why can't they just say phonics because they went away from phonics and it didn't work i'm kind of just kind of the chase here and now instead of going to say what we were wrong it was phonics it's the science of reading i'm like you mean phonics i'm looking at like weird you know like you're crying and i'm looking at it and i'm looking at I'm weird going, you mean phonics that we were taught when I was a child?

Yeah. You know? And we wonder why the kids don't read. Okay. Yeah, because you haven't been teaching them phonics for years. It's been, I think they called it whole language, was the science of reading that the pointy heads were doing at that time. And whole words, in other words, you had to memorize the way the whole word looked like

rather than figuring out how the words sound and building it from there, right? That kind of thing. Yeah. But the Democrats have gotten the Republicans up here to talk the same language. Oh, you're kidding me. You mean the Republicans are talking about the science of reading now, too, along with the dim bulbs? You'll sit there in committee because I'm the ways and means of education. I used to be in the regular education and they'll talk about the science or reading,

and you'll have Republicans repeating their words, you know, like instead of homelessness, it's houseless, you know, or just these crazy words. I'm like, no, use what, don't use their language. It's phonics. Okay. Stop confusing people. Now, couldn't we just solve this problem if we just ordered a bunch of, I remember back in the 1980s the hooked on phonics program, you could buy it online or you could buy

it over 800 lines? Can we just, can we get that in the schools, representative younger? We could, but, you know, they're not going to do that up here. You know, they, exactly. You got homeschoolers doing phonics. You've probably got private schools doing phonics. Stoutly out words. But you've got, you know, if you live in Oregon and you go to public school, we have to buy it from the woke publisher.

You know what I'm saying? So there's some magic box with Christine's picture on it that says, Science of Reading. done egg yes yes because you're mandated by you know a school district to buy a B or C and they're all you know they're all woke on products oh okay so that is that's a very interesting distinction thank you for mentioning this because she says that the problem is that there's not enough top-down control isn't that all there is really half the time in most of the school districts now that's what we gave up back in the early 80s we gave up all our control, you know, when we got, we needed the money, we gave up our, you know, I'm a product of

this. I grew up with the no bus systems when we didn't, you know, in Josephine County, you know, we, we were hurting for money. So what do we do? We give our, our control up the state. And now that we have top down control, telling us how to, how to control our local schools, we already have that. It's failing. Okay. So enough about this science of reading. Just call it phonics, get it in there. Do you think our system can be saved at this point? Would you have so many people talking about the science of reading rather than just calling it what it is? Well, I would say the way you're going to be solved is how about you read with your kids?

That would help. Yes, that would help. That would also mean that the parent would have to read too. So maybe what we're going to have to do, representative Younger, is just get hooked on phonics out to all the parents and then the parents can teach the kids. How about that? That might be cheaper than what the public school system is looking to do. We'll see. I mean, parenting is what parenting was when I was a kid.

You know what I'm saying? I hate to say that, but, you know, parents do have responsibility. And I think kids should be sitting down and read every night. You know? Good point. I know it's legislative days right now. What are you there trying to backfill the missing federal money at this point? Oh, yes, they're squirming.

about missing money. I'm looking, why is the budget, you know, gone, just balloon, just the last four or five years. It's got $38 billion. Yeah, you put that in your social media post last night, and yeah, we're spending them way more, way above the rate of inflation. And I'll tell you what, I'll get in touch with the off air. Maybe we can talk a little bit about that legislative day tomorrow, okay? I'll get in touch with you when I get off that later this morning, okay? all right yeah you just hit a nerve with me the same thing i heard you cry and so okay all right yes the uh the the the cry in the wilderness thank you rep uh youngker let me grab a few more calls here but uh it had to do okay how did you experience the science of reading how did you learn

anyway good morning hi who's this welcome this is minor dave yeah dave what's up i i wanted to say i was going to talk about something else but this is more important about reading when under, you know, tape recorders weren't as available, but records were. And so my parents bought records. When I went to bed, they had a record on that was phonics. And then when I woke up in the morning, it would be playing again where my mom had come in and put it on, and she put it in my subconscious. That's how I were.

Man, I had two teachers that worked with me with phonics. That is really interesting. Dave, thanks for sharing that experience. So your parents played the phonics records in the evening and in the morning when you would wake up. Wow. And I'll bet you it didn't cost tens of thousands of years to do, a dollars a year to do it, I would imagine, for student. Hi, good morning. Who's this?

Welcome. Hello. Good morning. Hey, it's Scott. Yes, Scott. Professional driver. Hey, I had challenges in the squad of dyslexic, and we had a class, and they identified that we all were dyslexic, and we reversed letters and all it. And we would just repeat letters and we would read and keep reputation over and over.

And after a while, it was just crazy. But got through school. But I'll have to say my children definitely wrote Community College as a great program. He graduated my son a year early, which he wouldn't have, who was in public school. And, you know, my hat's off to the people that will. spend the time and work with these kids that are very smart, maybe slow. Yeah, no, I get the dyslexic thing. The dyslexic thing, though, is a learning thing you got to work around.

My wife is dyslexic, too. So she told me all about it, and she had to work through it because in her day, they didn't really do much with it at that time. But for everyone else, though, the science of reading, isn't it getting a little nonsensical to you? How did you learn? was it the repetition the rote what um you know i have a photographic memory but um you know there's some words just don't work in english when you're reading you know that oh yeah yeah

you're right about that scott hey appreciate the call touch it in hi good morning who's this welcome morning bill story here but uh phonics f-o-n-i-k-s okay okay uh all right i wanted to tell a story that I heard a teacher tell, this is in junior college, and she was teaching, of course, in short stories, and she got up and assigned a short story, and this guy got up, and just screamed at her for imposing this, and like the blood vessels in his neck was sticking out, and he just screamed at her, and he stormed out of the room. And about three hours later, at the end of the school day, he meekly crawled back into her office and apologized. and explained that. He didn't know how to read. He was in junior college. Oh.

And so she said, she said, well, this is what, this is how you read. And she put out the alphabet and explained each one. And then she explained some of the, you know, pH for the sound F. You know, explained how oponics worked. He went home that night. He said he read until 4 o'clock in the morning. He was so excited. And so he was able to pick up phonics in just, you know, a half an hour of instruction because he was, you know, smart, reasonable, and so forth.

And he was hungry for knowledge, too, from the sounds of it. And he was hungry for knowledge. So the bottom line here is the government wants us, all of us, stupid and sick. Boy, if we're listening to people who blather on about the science of reading rather than just, getting phonics for the majority of students, then we're not going to solve this problem. And it is solvable. Tom, thanks for the call. Great take.

All right. Now, afternoose, Dr. Carol Lieberman is going to join me with another pebble in my shoe. It has to do with the Trump assassin and why there's been such silence about this kid's background. At Bank of America, we asked our people by OHA hospital-based intervention grant. This is News Talk 1063, KMED. and you're waking up with the Bill Myers show. By the way, speaking of the Salvation Army, I just want to thank everybody that showed up Friday at Fred Meyer.

It was out there ringing the bell. Stuffed that kettle. What generosity. In fact, first person dropped by a $100 bill into that kettle. I just could not believe it. It was just amazing. And we're going to keep doing that all holiday season here long, all right? Now, back to something just absolutely weird and bizarre, not her,

but the story we're going to be talking about, Dr. Carol Lieberman, M.D., Master of Public Health. She's known as America's Psychiatrist and the Terrorist Therapist, host of Dr. Carroll's Couch on VoiceAmerica.com, and the terrorist therapist podcast, forensic psychiatrist, expert witnessed, best-selling award-winning author of four books, a couple on terrorism, two, on relationships. Dr. Carroll, on the relationships, one of the one was why women like the bad boys, right? Wasn't that? Yes, that was my first book, Bad Boys, Why We Love Them, How's Live With them, and when to leave them. Oh, boy, yeah, it's so true, too, because I'd be the good boy.

The girls would never go after me. They'd go after my friend who might be the bad boy, right? Yes, yes. Yeah. Why is that? Why are women plugged into that, just briefly, then I want to talk about crooks? Well, okay, sure. I know.

In a sound bite, it has to do with their relationship, their dysfunctional relationship with their father. And depending upon how that was, it didn't have to be a father who beat them, although that was one of the types. I talk about 12 different types of bad boys. Depending upon the relationship, the father maybe was absent, maybe her parents got divorced, all kinds of different scenarios. But depending upon the dysfunction, that would center unconsciously towards a particular type of bad boy. Because this dysfunctional relationship with her father made her feel unlovable. really so is that it's that simple so that's why it's so important not really that simple but I mean yeah well no it's complex but I'm saying though that it is very in other words fathers have a

real role to play then in the way in the way that daughters will end up relating to men later on so it's important to try your best to have a good one right good relationship right and I guess just to kind of close the circle because the girl is made to feel unlovable her father. She doesn't feel like she deserves a good boy who treats her well. That makes her uncomfortable. And at the same time, she's also trying to end the fairy tale on a happier ending. Freud's repetition compulsion. You go towards something you're comfortable with, you know, and then you try to make it end better. And of course, it doesn't. Okay. So let us shift gears out and go to put on Dr. Carroll's couch, the late assassin of President Trump.

Thomas Crooks. Now, Tucker Carlson, former Fox News host, of course, ended up kind of dipping into this the other day. And more or less claiming that the FBI has been less than forthcoming about what has been going on with Thomas Crooks. This is the guy that was killed by Secret Service FBI at Butler after attempting to, well, he did try to shoot the president and clipped him on the ear. You know, that story here. And the more we're finding out, the more of a nut this is, but we haven't heard a whole lot about it. And why don't you bring us up to speed on this, please? Sure. Well, I watched, you know, Tucker Carlson is not exactly the most reliable source these days because of his anti-Semitism and having their 20s on and all

of that. However, I watched his video about all the things linking or questioning Thomas Crofts. And it is a must watch. I actually tweeted it. You can go to my, after you listen to this, after you listen to the show, you can go to my, my, my, um, my, um, my, um, my, um, my, my, um, D-R-C-A-R-O-L-E, M-D. I have it posted there. And, um, it really does, what it is, it shows someone gave a tip or tips to Tucker and someone who had done, um, or who knew about a deep dive that someone who was really good, um, tracing people on the internet, found and studied and, you know, really put together. And for one thing, it shows that Thomas Crook's had had really positive views of Trump until the COVID epidemic.

And his father, if you'll remember, remember his family had signs on the lawn that were pro-Trump. They had signs. Yes. Yeah, I remember that. And he was pro-Trump until the COVID epidemic. So I think that perhaps, and that was because he claimed that Trump didn't do enough, like he didn't say that we shouldn't go in spaces. Like he didn't claim that we had to stand six feet apart. He didn't do enough, according to Thomas Cook. But he was big on getting the vaccine going.

And I always thought that President Trump was taking a reasoned approach at that time. I mean, what about you? I don't know. Well, the problem is he believed Fauci, you know, and at that time, there didn't seem to be a reason not to believe Fauci, but since then, of course, we found out a lot. But, yes, he took Fauci's advice in recommending the vaccine. And, of course, that turned out to be a bad thing. But Trump, you know, it wasn't Trump's fault. He, who else, there was nobody else giving him better advice at the time.

So, anyhow, but I think that perhaps some loved one or friend or somebody who Thomas Crooks knew died from COVID, and that's why he turned against Trump, you know, his twisted mind that, you know, he held that against Trump. But the point is that he was all over the Internet in so many different, on so many different rooms, chat rooms. Well, how many times did we hear then from FBI? truth be told here that gosh there's like nothing there and it's behind and so I couldn't believe well you know what are we found out since that leads you to only two possibilities either they they screwed up and they really didn't know you know they didn't do a deep enough dive or they did know and they just ain't telling and that was both from the previous FBI head and all that and to the current one I mean

I think Cash Patel may need Trump to say you're fired. I'm surprised that he hasn't done it yet. Huh. All right. And so we're finding out, I guess, these people were able to find out. And, in other words, people outside of the FBI were able to find out that he was into that furry thing, right? Yes, that. Yes.

Yeah. And which is so interesting. Yeah. What is it about the furry fetish? And this is, you know, the fantasizing about being animals. and we've heard about this sometimes in the government schools. And this guy, I guess, he fantasized most about masculine body, furry body with a female head, right? Yeah, yes, very muscular furries with a female head.

And, you know, the thing is, it's not just, I mean, you know, furries came, we started hearing about furries. I might even have been on your show talking about furries, I think. Yeah. But a couple of years ago. And, but then it was because of the story that in somewhere in America, or more than one place, I think, they were putting in the bathrooms, they were putting places for furries to use the bathroom, like an extra pan for the furry. Yeah, supposedly a litter box. I've never been able to get that confirmed, but I've read enough about it. Maybe it's just an urban legend.

It's hard to tell, you know, at this point of time. I believe it. I mean, because there was a whole thing at a PTA, you know, at a school board meeting. There was a whole, really, like, it did happen that at least one mother was complaining about it. Nothing like buying into mental illnesses of other people. Isn't that the case, doctor? Boy, you know. Well, anyhow.

So, you know, some people say that, or will it back? back in those days, they were saying, I mean, it was strange even back then, but they were trying to say that furries, there's nothing bad about being a furry. It's just a harmless, childish, you know, game, hobby. But really, there is a sexual connection to furries. I mean, I'm not saying that all people, well, first of all, all people, you know, it has to do with having a poor identity, self-identity. If you, because they dressed up like furry, and, you know, they did, some people went further than others, like not all of them went to litter boxes, but, you know, there is originally how it came about. There is this furry fetish, you know, a sexual connection to these furries.

And really it has to do with how you project onto the furries, onto the animals, these sexual activities, and that is a way of, like, not taking responsibility for it yourself or claiming that you wanted. do this or if somebody did this to you, you're just talking about these animals. All right. So getting back to what you were saying about the animal would be muscular males with female heads, what that leads me to think about is was he sexually abused by his mother, who, by the way, as you will probably remember, never appeared after he shot a truck. That's right. Yeah, that was, yeah, she went deep, dark, and silent, you know, after that. Right. The father was barely accessible. He just got caught, you know, a couple of times by the press.

But the mother was totally, you know, I didn't see anything about the mother, and there was talk about her being so inaccessible. So you're thinking that what's been going on, even with this Thomas Crook's case, is enough that President Trump should then question pointment of Cash Patel and maybe look. kills for yes absolutely um because you know either way if he they if he didn't i mean you know he wasn't in an office at the time of the attempted assassination but then when he got to to be in office you would think this would be one of the top things on his plate and it's really strange that it takes uh internet sleuths just out there in the private sector who are just doing it as a hobby, so to speak, really, that are ending, able to do a better job than people who are tasked with the process in the first place, because people have been asking for, okay, what is

this, and we're told, well, there were some, there were some foreign money coming in, they think, by the way, did they ever track the money? Did they ever get the money track properly? Well, I don't know, but I do know that part of this thing that Tucker Carlson unearthed was a connection to someone. Someone wrote to him, you know, was in connection with him on a site, I think on one of the YouTube sites. And he was, this man was connected to a terrorist organization, an Antifa organization in a Nordic organization. And yes, it was thought. And he was encouraging Thomas Crooks to follow through on his assassination plans. Now, I don't think, or so far it didn't come out, like in this video,

it didn't come out that the person who was talking to him specifically said Trump, but, I mean, it certainly might have that he didn't talk about all the things that came out. Sort of kind of grooming him towards acting on it. Exactly. Okay. Dr. Carol Lieberman, MD, MPH, America's psychiatrist and the terrorist therapist with me this morning. All right. Is there any evidence that – now, Tucker was kind of concerned that there was evidence that he was not acting alone. Is this the only evidence that Tucker ended up bringing up or wasn't something?

It's the only thing that he brought up, but I don't think he's trying to say that this is the only possible, you know, other – Well, actually, in fact, there was something about that he might have had some other people might have been involved. Now, I don't know if he was just talking about this one man or more or whether there is money involved. You know, I don't know that Thomas Matthew Crooks would have needed money at that point to follow through with his attempted assassination. And frankly, it was a pretty low-tech affair, really. and, you know, and it just would have seen that if, you know, officers there had been just a little more curious about, you know, that person up on the roof and just a little more proactive about that, that we never would have had that happen in the first place, but that's just me. Yes, no. Well, you know, some heads did roll from the Secret Service, but I think maybe some more heads should have rolled. Yes, there was some stupid, well, again, either stupid mistakes, incompetence, or it was on purpose that they, you know, totally adored this guy climbing up.

You can usually not go wrong just by going off with stupidity rather than automatically casting it into, well, some nefarious motive, wouldn't you say, when you look at history? Yes, yes, I agree with that. Not that I've ever done anything wrong in my life, and I'm sure you haven't either. Okay. No. Never made any mistakes. So, could Dan Bongino actually take over? Do you know, could he take over for Cash Battalion?

Well, I guess it would depend whether there was any aspersions able to be cast upon him, too. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Well, hey, one of they asking before we take off here, Epstein files are going to be voted on today here. What do you think? Is it worthwhile looking into it?

I am so sick of the Epstein. In fact, I tweeted about this yesterday. I wrote Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, enough already. The pedophile is dead. Virginia and Galfrey is dead. Prince Andrew is just being used as a distraction in the U.K. From the fact that their country is being taken over by terrorists. I mean, you know, it's enough already.

I mean, they're only doing this to try to get rid of Trump. Yeah, except that if there had been a problem with Trump, Trump in the files, it would have long come out. You've got to figure that, right? That's right. But then does it matter if they release it, then, what harm can be done? What's the harm? Well, I mean, that's why Trump is saying to release it. I don't know why he, you know, there was that aborted attempt.

Like, remember, a long time ago when he had said they were going to release the files, and then they only released a little bit, and they just gave it to some influencers. Yeah, well, Pam Bondi, remember, Pam Bondi had the files on her desk, though, right? Well, yes, but that's, I think, what she gave to these influencers, and I don't know why they stopped there. I don't know if he was trying to protect someone. I don't think he was trying to protect himself.

So if he was trying to protect someone else, you know, he sacrificed himself at that. But no, I do not think, you know, Virginia Goufferi, who was the main victim, the most, the loudest victim, let's put it that way. And even Gieland Maxwell have said that Trump did not, they never saw Trump doing anything inappropriate. So I really don't think that there's any there there. And it's just, you know, keeps, they're beating a dead horse because they're against Trump. Well, you know, there is the possibility that what could be in that files. And they'll probably, they may approve this.

We'll see what happens. And then there's full, more weeks of then deciphering the thousands and thousands of files. You know how that goes, Dr. Lieberman. Maybe what has been more concerned about is not Trump, but perhaps friends and or business associates of Trump, including foreign leaders. Maybe that's what's going on. Maybe that's it. Yes, that's definitely, yeah, that's the only thing I can think of. Because, again, as you said, if there was anything really damning sexually against Trump, it would have been out before the election.

Oh, heck, that would have been in the impeachment trial for crying out loud. Are you at it? Yeah. Okay. I appreciate the take on it. And, oh, by the way, another book worthy of noting that you wrote, Lions and Tigers and Terrorists. Oh, my.

What is that all about here before we take off, doctor? It is a book for parents and teachers and children. The first half is for the adults, grown-ups, how to talk to kids about terrorism, how to notice their feelings, how to get them to talk about these things and so on. And then the second half is a picture book about terrorism for the kids that a grown-up would look at with the child.

All right. I mean, it doesn't spare anything, but it's not written in a way to scare the case. But you do it in a way that you can approach the child without making them terrified of life in general, but also to be aware. Okay, that makes sense. That's helpful. And the final, the final, final question of America's couch, what would you say is the Trump derangement syndrome temperature right now on a scale from like 68 to 100 degrees, like room temperature to hot? Where are we right now, would you say? Well, I guess it's pretty hot.

with the No King's, you know, group protests, and then with the Epstein files, I guess it's gotten hotter. Okay. You know, it goes up and down, but it's not going away. That should be it. I'll bring you on, and I ask, okay, what is the forecast for Trump derangement syndrome this week? You'd be like the weather forecast of America's health. There we go.

Okay. Dr. Carroll, thank you so much, and probably best to follow you on X, right, on X Twitter, right? Yeah, yeah, right. And I'll get that all up and everything else, and thank you so much for the show. Great having you on. My pleasure. Bye-bye. It is 657 at KMED, 993KBXG.

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