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Episode Date: November 19, 2025

A bit of open phone talk, Glenn Archambault joins me, and he is a board member of the Pipeline Safety Trust. Olympic pipeline has some problems and it is important for us here, and a lot to discuss aboiut pipeline safety bothu for gasy and liquid fuels.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. KMEDE and KMEDD HD-1 Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass about 10 minutes. Lennar Shamba talking about pipelines. Just got back from a conference. Uh-oh. We've got some pipelines that are safe, others that are not.

Which ones are naughty? Which ones are nice? And why does that matter to Southern Oregon? You would be surprised. Yeah, a big one here could be in play real soon. Let me go to Kathy. Hey, Kathy, a question you were wondering about. Go ahead.

Yeah, I'm just, I mean, I don't get to grants pass often. I do love it. But listening to people, well, to you mostly, and it used to be such a stronghold of conservatism and common sense. And then I just noticed people calling in, especially some of the people, the candidates, that were really leaning left. And then all the kerfuffle with the Republicans over there.

And it just seems like there's something in the, it's almost like that they've been infiltrated. Because trust me, these Democrats are very sneaky. I used to do, I worked for a former Democratic senator in another capacity, and he had asked me to transcribe a couple of his Senate meetings. and I got through half of one and almost threw up and just went in the next day and said, I cannot do this. I cannot, I cannot do this.

Why was it, why was the transcription making you want to throw up? It was, it was so sneaky and so underhanded and so calculated. And now, of course, I kicked myself because I wish I had, I wasn't such a Pollyanna. Yeah, well, I, and had been able to gather the information for other people. Yeah. Now, I can't, to your point, though, about has there been an infiltration there? Well, Josephine County has been under attack for many years now because it has looked like there's a reason why Stacey Abrams, a former colleague, ends up finding their way to Josephine County, of all places, because they look at that, I'm talking about, you know, head of the Democratic Party, they're looking at them at shifting, at shifting a piece. and kind of getting rid of that, well, if you want to call it the caveman mentality, right? That's probably how they look at it, you know.

And so, yes, and I am frankly surprised right now at Republicans that I will read social media posts from, not all. I'm talking about some that I've read, people that used to even be involved in the Republican Party politics in Josephine County. And then all of a sudden, the kids gay, and then all of a sudden they're LGBTQ and rainbow flags everywhere. You know, that kind of stuff. It's like, okay, so are you lying to me then or are you lying to me now about where you're coming from? I know. You see what they're getting at? Yes, but they just need to be aware that you need to be really careful about who you allow into your organization,

and because it just takes a little needle. I would dare say that there are probably a certain percentage of people that are in these, party structures who really aren't there to help out. Now, I don't know about what right now. I know that they've had a lot of, and I'm not casting aspersions to people who used to be in there or anything else, but they're under too much attack there in Joe County, and I think it just stands to reason.

Yeah, I know it's a pretty, I just felt like I needed to say that. Yeah, and even the recall, even the recall campaign, although I'm not going to shill for Andres Black, or Chris Barnett. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to defend. I mean, the voters are going to have a say. I am not a fan of this hissy-fitty recall situation, no matter what. And it's like, it's ridiculous. Let him serve, let him serve a term, and then we'll talk about it.

It takes time to find your sea legs around here. Just like I did not support the recall on the Grants Pass mayor for the same reason. It's like we're burning political capital for nonsense right now. but we're burning taxpayer money yeah well that uh that's another aspect of it too the point we'll take it so let them spend their own money yeah thank you for the call and uh but i agree that there's more to it than we think all right josephine county has been looked at as the plum to flip for quite some time metford's a little more purply i don't know but anyway hi good morning who's this welcome this is minor jave hey dave's up yeah well i didn't think

when they say they want diversity, I'm going to redefine diversity. They want more perverts into the school system. And that's the way it is. You know something, Dave, I think that that is a very honest statement. And, of course, that would get you censored in the state legislature. But I'm going to give you a real American salute. Okay? All right.

Yeah. Well, we have to take the language back. All right. Appreciate the call, Dave. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, Bill, it's Lucretia. Hello, Lucretia. Hi.

Now, wait a minute, I can't have you there. Where's your theme? I didn't have your theme, ready. I didn't know you were there. There are only a handful of listeners that have their own theme. So, anyway, what's up? I know. Bill, God, it's so hard. It's like, you know, I look at the medical industry now, and after listening to Susan Humphreys on Joe Rogan, which I've never listened to Joe Rogan before. But what she said, and what also the Midwestern doctor reported on what she was finding, and she was a mainstream doctor, just basically working with diabetes and kidney diseases, and she was specialized in them, and what she saw with people that they forced a vaccine, you know, like just the flu even vaccine, who are getting with their condition, malcarditis.

I mean, you can't even walk around. You can't get up to get something or go to the bathroom. And I read the substack, which the Midwest doctor was talking about, just trying to get people to stop the flu vaccine being routinely given to someone in the hospital because of the myocarditis that he was observing that he or she. We don't know who she is. Everybody should read that or listen to the Joe Roken and Susan Humphreys. Just Google it. I would just go to the Midwest. I'm not a fan of Joe Rogan.

I don't mean either. Joe's huge, but to me it's like listening to paint dry, but that's just my opinion. Oh, yeah, and he's definitely compromised like Alex Jones now. But no, just to listen, because they will realize the, you know, back in 2000, I read a book, I can't remember the author. I think she was the head of the Lancet or something, but she said that the medical drug cartel. And when I say drug cartel, this is a drug cartel, just like we have street drug cartel. There's the same people that are running it.

they were making more money than the other fortune five of the other four or five of the other fortune 500 companies combined okay now lucretia interesting point you just made though but if it's just another drug cartel uh the president ought to get the predator drone and uh and drop a bomb there what do you think on that but i think they i think they run it because that's how the vatican got ahead all right appreciate the call give me give me give me a good one on a conspiracy Theory Thursday. I'm out of time on this segment, though, okay? You call me back then? Yeah, but just the last thing is they do want to totally destroy the middle class. We talked about that as well. Well, a middle class that is destroyed is much more malleable and

controllable, and you've got a lot of mouths to feed and people standing around and with their... That's why everything is going up. They're destroying the middle class. All right. Don't take my health care away. Don't do it, Lucretia. Thanks for the call. All right. KMED, KMED, HD-Metford, KBXG Grants Pass. We're going to check a quick update on Fox News here in just a minute.

Len R. Shambo is going to join me. Glenn R. Shambo is on the board of the Pipeline Safety Trust, and we're going to have a good talk with him. Coming up. Fall is a great time of year, but there's more to think about than football and pumpkin spice. I'm Barbara Old. In South Jackson County on 1067 K-294-A.S. Ashland. 17 after 8.

Glenn R. Shabo joins me this time. I'm not talking agriculture, although maybe we quit another time. Glenn, welcome back. Good to have you on. Hello, Glenn. Bill. Hi, Glenn. Hi, Bill.

All right, thanks. Well, it's a sunny day, but there's a lot going on in the world. And this is the reason I wanted to bring you on. I see, Glenn is actually here today as a board member of the Pipeline Safety Trust. Now, the Pipeline Safety Trust is about making sure that things don't blow up around us and that infrastructure works. Isn't that essentially what you do on that board? That's about right, Bill. And we have lots of friends throughout all the industries involved, the regulators, the Department of the – you name it, we're somehow connected in government somewhere.

All right. Now, you told me yesterday, in fact, you called the show and I was going to try to squeeze you in, but we're going to do it right now instead. Yeah. This had to do with coming back from a conference that you had in New Orleans, and there was a lot of deep discussion about the status or, you know, how things are, the conditions of America's pipeline infrastructure and a few problems that are starting to come up that we should know about because it is something which actually services us in Southern Oregon to an extent, right? It does. And Southern Oregon is serviced by one of the most famous. pipelines in the world because it's from Bellingham down the Olympic pipeline. And that pipeline failed one year. It was a disaster of disasters. So if you go to any subject that has to do

with pipeline safety, one of the words you hear is Bellingham. That is the key place in the whole industry of safety. And that provides your fuel here in Southern Oregon. So you've even though we see gasoline trucks, the Olympic pipeline, which is starting way up north, goes through Bellingham, et cetera, and comes down to... By the way, where does the gasoline get offloaded into the trucks then, right? Because the pipeline doesn't come here, but we're connected, right? No, it doesn't. That fuel ends up at the airports.

Any big airport on the west coast gets fuel from Bellingham. the fuel that comes off on the truck comes from a tank farm or and here's here's a part you have to remember bill whenever you talk about pipelines you have to talk about the NTSB so whenever there's anything wrong or there's a question that's the people we turn to so we'd have to ask them just how much fuel when and where does it go after at least pipeline but it definitely goes in your car though Bill I guarantee you that all right so all this fuel we're using comes through the Olympic, and there's a problem with the Olympic, which I'm not seeing news about yet, but you're aware of it, and it was discussed at this pipeline meeting, wasn't it?

It was. At the pipeline meeting, and this is just still got to laugh about this, nobody was really talking about Bellingham. It wasn't until hours later that it started to become, you know, passed around that something was wrong. And something was wrong, turns out it may be a crack. in the bigger pipe, a 20-inch pipe. And we're waiting for some more information from BP.

I do find quite a few things in the media right now, and one of them is that they're out there of containing fuel in a drainage ditch on a blueberry farm. And so that's where they first apparently spotted a sheen on the surface of the water showed that it had fuel in it. Does the Olympic pipeline just carry finished gasoline, or is it all sorts of various patrolling and products? All sorts.

Gas, diesel, jet fuel, probably others we don't even know about. I'm going to ask a really dumb question, okay, because I'm not on the pipeline safety trust. Is there multiple pipelines that they keep separate, or do they just, okay, we're going to send down diesel for a while, down, we're going to send down gasoline, and then we just have a little cross-contamination or something. What happens with that? There's two lines, 16 and a 20-inch. When and where and what they carry is probably up to the operator.

Okay. As far as we're concerned, what we're looking for is that gasoline in your car and their diesel for your truck and tractor, that's our connection to it, and it's a big connection. And it's refined up in the northwest, farther up northwest, and then, and it comes down this pipeline. Where does it terminate for us in Oregon when we get our gas and diesel and our jet fuel, let's say, for our transportation? Well, the most common, of course, is in the fuel tank of the vehicles you're on. But up near, there's a segment of this pipeline that I'm wrong,

we would have to really look at the maps of this. And you can go online and look at the maps of all. Oh, okay. And there's a place where they've had a fuel tank farm, and they can load trucks. that sort of thing. Because you've got to have a special system in a load of truck. That's also part of the reason why our fuel costs are a little higher, right? Because it's not pipeline delivered all the way.

You have to pay truckers then to take it over the passes and get it down here. Southern Oregon? Yeah, it's a spendy deal moving stuff by truck. And as you probably notice, you know, it's kind of chaotic. Some days they're there, some time in time. It's an interesting business how the trucking part of it works. because everybody else moves fuel by pipeline, and we seem to have been stuck on this system for a long time now.

Now, given that there is a crack, and it could be a big crack from the sounds of it, if it's covering up a blueberry farm. What state is that in, Washington or Oregon? Yes, or Washington. We don't know. Well, I know I'm looking at pictures. I can see the BP guys and a contractor out there, and they've got booms to contain the oil and control it.

but that's all speculation until then TSP looks at it we're not going to know the whole story and that might take a couple of months before they're ready to cough up the facts but we know that there are some issues going on and if they have to repair the pipeline they just got to shut it down right you can't keep it going or I don't think there's any way you just bypass it temporarily to repair the pipeline or can you I don't know they did they did but apparently bypass it um but that's not going to get the pipe fixed. Oh.

They're talking excavation. As soon as you're talking to excitation, that's a big project. Because you've got to get that pipe exposed. It means you've got to dig it all up. Some of it's by hand. Expensive, time-consuming. So what we want to really know right now, that this pipe corroed was a third-party damage,

meaning some of some kind of equipment hit the pipe, which could cause a crack. Happens all the time, right? You know, you hear about those. Someone says, you know, call before you dig, but they don't, and then boom, right? That's right. And yes, Bill, I'm still in agriculture. And the reason I am is because our keynote speakers talked about this,

that agriculture was the biggest violator of the one-call law, and that's probably true. So a place like Oregon is a lot of bad boys out there. If they hit type in some fashion, man, wait until you see the bill you're going to get. But that's a big issue. If someone hit that pipe, that meant that our security, our whole system failed. Because you can imagine, Bill, and you could do this, you could go down in the rental yard and get a little backhouse, start digging in your yard and get yourself in serious trouble. Oh, yeah, you can hit a Vista line, you can hit a Medford water line or a Grants Pass. I mean, all these kind of things.

It's all there. Yeah. It's all there. All kinds of utilities are in the ground. in every home and every yard in America. Can't tell you how many times that we've lost internet over the years here in Southern Oregon or phone lines because somebody was out there at a construction site and digging and struck the wrong thing.

It's very common. And that's, even though it's not a pipeline, it's a huge pipeline safety issue because the way we communicate with the public is if you see something wrong, pick your cell phone up and call 911, right? Right. Isn't that what we're talking? Yeah. So if you've dug the data lineup or wrecked the tower or something crazy, there's no way to call.

And that's a big issue. Oh, I thought there was an 8-1-1 to, you know, call before you dig type thing. Yes, but if you're already in trouble, you know, if the fire's coming up out of the hole in the ground, man, you're calling 911. Oh, okay, I see what you're talking about. There's no pipeline thing. If you screw up that cell phone system, you just screwed up the way first response works. So back to the Olympic pipeline, though, what is the significance of the fact that we're finding a crack here and that it's leaking big time, apparently?

Now, you had mentioned that the question is, was this corrosion? I guess, is that the main thing? Might we have more of an infrastructure problem? And I'm wondering if that's what they were talking about at this pipeline conference. Well, we're not, oh, yeah, we know, we're definitely talking about corrosion and a whole bunch of other ugly things. The reason this pipeline is so significant is because of the death count years ago. Three little, three boys died when that pipeline got out of control. That was the one in Bellingham, right?

Yes. Okay, where there was the leak and it went undetected, I guess, and then Cablooy, right? Yes, it did. And the problem there was that there was that there. was lots of failure to do their job. And so the boys running the pipeline were big trouble. And it spread through the whole pipeline industry to never do what they did in Bellingham, to know what you're doing, get the training, make sure everyone knows what they're doing.

That's been just pounded in our heads. And in those days, they didn't know what they were doing. They screwed up on a huge level. and we've talked about it and deal with it to this very day. And this boy, this is being talked on this morning. Right now, every pipeline operator on liquid products is looking at this event going, God help us, that it's not our bunch. What about our natural gas pipelines that are crisscrossing the state of Oregon?

I know we have one going here. In fact, I think some of it's on your land you've talked about. It is. Intertize, right? That's TC Energy or TransCanada, the largest operators in Canada. They cross the international border with numerous lines, both gas and liquid. They're primarily liquid guys right now. They used to be both, and we have a 12-inch 1,000 PSI line comes into Jackson County in the southern Oregon region.

Vista uses that fuel. that's a big deal because it because of where it came from. So there's a lot of fuel involved. Boy, 12,000 PSI is not exactly something to... Thousand,000 PSI. Well, 1,000 PSI. That's a lot. Huge.

In eastern Oregon, there's 36 and 42-inch lines. They're way up there in pressure, too. And they feed the line that comes into Jackson County and feeds Vista and other users, but mostly Vista. And so that line is very critical. Unfortunately, I hate to tell you this, Bill, but our friends at T.C. Energy have a line that's blown in Wisconsin. It's natural gas.

It's an ugly event. We've got some people in the hospital that have already gotten them out, but apparently it did a lot of property damage when this thing went up. What? I hate to see this happen. Yeah, okay. I want to take a quick break here. Then people have calls.

I think they want to ask questions about this, and these are the unseen parts of our infrastructure that are so key to keeping our system going. You know, really, it's a big deal. But I would also add that a lot of these pipes are pretty old now, aren't they? Doesn't matter, Bill. I know. I'd be nice, yeah. Well, okay, all right.

Well, I'll tell you. He'll explain that more. You had a question about this or comment. We're talking about the Olympic pipeline and maybe TC Energy and everything else, and it matters. and there is some conversation going on in the industry. And it's right around us. This is the Bill Meyers show, 7705-633. This hour of The Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing for roofing gutters and sheet metal service.

NetSuite.com slash Kim. The Bill Myers Show is on News Talk 1063, KMED. Let the Good Times roll. We're talking about pipeline infrastructure, and it matters, especially when we have one that's leaking right now, and it's our source for gasoline and diesel and various other things here in Southern Oregon, even though it's happening up in Washington,

and he is a board member of the Pipeline Safety Trust. That's Glenn R. Shambo. Glenn, welcome back. Thank you. Did I mischaracterize that? Just want to make sure that. Oh, no. Real quick, though, that's a 400-mile line.

And it comes down. The big item was, boy, that was flying. why this happened from when I got on the ground, I was hearing people talking about that that there was a fuel problem. And so in the last couple days, turning the government back on, putting the planes back in the air, I was one of those planes up there. Now, I was thinking about this point, you know, if we ran short on fuel, we'll really be in trouble. Yeah, exactly. Well, I want to bring on Tracy. Tracy had toured that BP facility. Hey, Tracy, thanks for checking in from Washington State. Morning.

Yes, good morning. Late September, I did the annual tour of the B.P. facility at Furndale, Washington, north of Bellingham there, really had a good time. Those people are truly dedicated to doing their job, so they're not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes or anything like that. That's good to know. I believe the big Olympic lifeline terminates at Linton, Oregon, which is on Route 30, sitting near the St. John's Bridge. bridge, and that site is well publicized for having seismic issues. They have, we're going to re-fortify that location because they're worried about the big one. And obviously, if that tank farm goes, Oregon will be in a hill of beans of trouble. Yeah, I imagine so. Okay. And also that has drops to, like Portland Airport and CTAC, of course.

I believe the cut is down by Olympia, and so what they've done is they've moved everything to the 17-inch pipeline. There is a lot of stuff that moves on pipe, and the alternate is not good, and that would be moving things with big huge tanker vessels, and what I hear every night and keeps me awake are the tank cars of raw crude coming in from the Bakken and refined fuel headed outward to different locations, and that's on our rail system all the time, and we just have to get used to it. But all night long in Mount Vernon, it's nothing but the tank cars. Yeah.

There are three refiners around here that accept tank cars. The fourth one is just boats and the fuel pipe coming in from Canada. But this is the real infrastructure. Hey, Glenn, you want to weigh on in what Tracy was talking about there? Thanks for the call, Tracy. Appreciate it. That info sounds right. to me. Again, no, Bill, until NTSB talks, nobody's got the facts. But there's a huge amount

of infrastructure. And yeah, there's rail cars and there's all kinds of things, things that yesterday you don't know about today. You'll learn about it. Yeah. How often do these pipelines get inspected or is it kind of an continuous kind of inspection? What do you know? Both. Yeah, that I know a lot about. Okay, so one of the main tools that they always reach for is a pig. The pig is a device that goes in the pipe, and we're looking for corrosion, dense, anything that could be wrong with it, that little machine will pick it up. So the pig just rolls through the pipeline along with the fuel and then is examining it as it goes through it. Okay. And, of course, you can imagine that's quite a gadget they have,

and it is. It's really impressive on what it can do. A stupid question here. How does it get past valves and things like that? Some, okay, so this is a huge debate. If you got a really old pipeline before pigs, there's no way to get around there unless you cut out sections of the pipe and change it. The newer lines will accept a pig. And the newest lines accept some pretty exotic pigs. You know, so they're picking up little things that are wrong.

And we went through a whole session on this. And the caller was correct about all the infrastructure out there. And so if you're going down North Phoenix Road, you come to the metering station for TransCanada and what used to be Pacific Gas and Electric. Yeah, could you hang on for a moment because David is from Phoenix, and I think he wanted to talk about that. Isn't that right, David? Yeah.

Good morning. Yeah, good morning. Yeah, good morning. My understanding was those refineries in Tacoma, those big refineries at Tacoma, There's a pipeline that comes down to Washington and crosses the Columbia River and goes to tank farms. And what I've always understood is in Grants Pass, Medford, the one that burned down on Riverside and Central there, that we had the big fire. Oh, yeah, the Medford fuel. Yeah, the bumfire.

And then we've got a fill station on Highway 90. by the railroad tracks across from the South Walmart. And my understanding was that pipeline, which is an offshoot of the pipeline you're talking about, terminates. There was a fill station off of a South Stage Road, and it's kind of a dead horse. There's some tanks, fill tanks, and old Pegasus fuel signs and advertising signs piled up. I don't know if maybe it's all been cleaned up now. But my understanding is that the tanker trucks pull in, fill up, and then they deliver to our gas stations at those points. Am I incorrect on all that?

No, approximately. Of course, we'd have to look at a map and look at the layout from the operator. I'm real wary of putting words in the mouth to the operators because they know their system. And systems change. You'd be surprised how fast they can make a change. Right now, though, the metering station in North Phoenix Road is sitting there. It has a pig receiver so they can launch a pig at another site, and it'll come out at that station. But also it's a metering station.

Lots of lines leaving that station. All right. Well, thank you. All right. Thank you, David. Appreciate the call. What is the significance of this in why you felt the reason why you wanted to make sure people knew about this? Why, you know, why is this so important and that it matters, other than the obvious we don't want to fry, but we also need the fuel.

What do you think? We need the fuel. Okay, so this is how the world works, Bill, and I watch this every day. People use gas and oil and all the petroleum fossil fuels you want to name, and we do it mostly, and we're just the Bolivius to the reality. And so when I listen to the folks who want to, you know, tear the pipelines out of the ground and tear down the refinery and everything, that's a great idea. you have to have a real alternative in place. I mean, if you do anything to these systems to scramble them in some fashion, that's not going to help things at all.

And so I listen real carefully to the folks who are real against the oil and gas business and listen to the other side very closely. Until we come up with some kind of alternative that would truly function, you're going to live with these systems. And that's one of the reasons why I really urge people. know, not to Dick Holtzner back yard without checking it out first. Because literally, Bill, we have people do that. We have people do things you wouldn't believe every day in America that get themselves in trouble.

Agreed. I appreciate you sharing some of this and the expertise, because I would imagine that on the Pipeline Safety Trust being on the board, you hear a lot of stories all the time. All the time, yeah. And, you know, I tell people this, if you really want to do this, you've got to do what I did. When I was 16, I started learning pipelines, metallurology, welding, and all the related issues, went to Oregon Tech, went to special training, hard to do. But if you really want all this to go away, that's what you've got to do. You've got to get knowledgeable and skilled. Yeah, so what we're looking at here, especially from the people who are anti-pipeline industry,

they don't really have it. The way I understand it, they don't really have an alternative. The idea is this, that we're going to go with energy scarcity, which I don't think anybody really understands or has a concept of what that would look like, do they? No, they don't. And unfortunately, we've, you know, everybody's worked real hard on both sides of this. And, you know, and I sit down and talk to people that are so against pipelines and oil and gas. And I listen to what they have to say, and I explain, you know, the realities of things that right now, your home is warm because it's got natural gas burning in it.

Or there's a natural gas peaker plant that's able to keep the grid going, too, right? You have to talk about that. Yeah, and that means you have all this infrastructure standing there to take care of. So anything you propose, whether it be a windmill or a gas line, has some really downside to it. You know, look right now, look at the place in Wisconsin where the gas line blew up, what it looks like. Cars are just completely destroyed. Side of houses are paved in. You know, I mean, it's a really ugly business.

But yet as ugly as that can be sometimes is not the pipeline, the safest, one of the safest ways to transport liquid and gaseous fuels. And when everything's working right, it is. And the number of miles we have is just mind-boggling how much system infest. not just gas pipelines, but all the stuff that goes with it, you know, like the LNG facilities. I mean, it's just mind-boggling to even just keep up with all the names and places and what's changing, what China's doing, the Russians are doing. All effects are gas and oil supply. Is there anything that could be done to increase the level of safety? Yes.

What? Don't dig holes in the ground for war. That's a big one. The guys out of California at the conference were just really. raging on that, that people just constantly on farms dig into their pipelines. Is the only volatile fuel that we have on pipelines in Southern Oregon, is it strictly natural gas at this point in time? Yes, but everything that's liquid that's trucked in, you have to include that.

But, yeah, the pipelines are gas. Okay, very good. Let's grab one more call before you take off, Glenn. I always appreciate the talk, really adieu. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You're on with Glenn Arshambo. Good morning.

it's deplorable Patrick, and I'm well aware of that horrible tragedy in Bellingham where the refinery was uphill, and then they had a leak in the pipe, and it went down into the creek, and was going for quite some time. Nobody knew, and these boys decided to go fishing. They go down to the creek, and they weren't aware there was enough gasoline to matter, but they didn't detect it. Guys, one of the kids said, oh, look, somebody left a cigarette lighter here. Let's see if it works. Then it did work. That's how that worked. I didn't know that part of the story. Wow. Yeah. And it almost burned the whole town down because it was blowing down through the creek. My question, which I had at the time, and I'll ask it now,

certainly they should have had some kind of an alarm on that system that would detect a pressure drop and automatically shut that thing down, even if nobody was paying attention, just bang, shut itself. But my question would be maybe there are variations in the pressure that would make it hard to have that kind of a system. All right. Let's find out because, all right, and I'd kind of add on to that. Wouldn't you be able to calculate that you're getting less out at the other end that you're

putting in on one end here, Glenn? Yes. And you guys are talking leak detection. Okay, so in Bellingham, when this failed, there weren't valves like that on the pipe, but a lot of pipes have been refitted and built new that have a shutoff valve that can be operated from a remote place. So if an operator's looking at a pressure drop, they have the systems to wall off the pipeline, valves closing on both ends. And, again, you don't take this without listening to NTSB first because the leak detection and the closing and opening your valves is a huge safety discussion. And by the way, it takes time to close a valve. You just can't shut the valve off because there's so much inertia from the fuel going through there, right? Don't you have to do it slowly? Yeah, there's a whole lot of potential going on in there. You better know what you're doing before you do this.

And so one of the things is, okay, if you shut a valve off, especially on liquid, but you still have all this fuel in there, and gas, if it's escaping, is still escaping it. Somehow you've got to close it all down, or somehow you've got to release all this product in order to make things safe. But believe me, that's a top-of-the-list discussion about safety is those valves. I would imagine so. One final question, Glenn, and thank you very much for explaining some of this. If we have the big event, you know, the big one that they've always talked about planning, is it automatically set just to trip that all of this stuff shuts down temporarily until they know that, you know, what's safe and what's leaking and what's not? Is there a procedure for something like that? Bill, I'll remind you that I am a survivor of one of the worst gas pipeline accidents in American history.

And so none of that was available in 1971. It just turned into a massive fire. Right now, we've got much different systems. And so the time it takes from a failure to the proper people knowing that something horrible has happened is quite quick now. Oh, good. So that helps a lot. But you still look at places like San Bruno, California, that burned the, neighborhoods and all the people down some years ago, they didn't have any kind of a safety.

You know, so the fuel came out of a big pipe right now, all of it, and set everything on fire. And that's what it's always happened in the past, and hopefully we're not going to do that in the future. I'm going to figure that one out. But you're right. There's got to be a system that detects these failures to minimize the impact. Very good. Hey, I appreciate to talk, good talk, on something that a lot of times we don't think much about it,

but there are people like Glenn R. Shabo on the Pipeline Safety Trust who are thinking about this all the time. Just got back from a conference, and we were discussing the Olympic Pipeline and more. Glenn, thank you so much. I appreciate the talk, and you're always welcome back. Be well. Okay. Take care now. It's 849 at KMED and KBXG.

Service not provided by DISH. It's the Bill Meyer Show on KMED, Southern Oregon's. place to talk. Hey, Kurt's here. Hey, Kurt. You're on the road this morning. What's going on, huh? Well, I just, last week I thought of her little teaser years about a, somebody you were interviewing with regard to glyphosates and white bread and all the chemicals used on our grains in the U.S. I was trying to find the podcast, and I couldn't find it. I'd love to listen to it. Oh, yeah. You want to make some comments. That would be great. Yeah, let me, what that was all about. I was

interviewing the author of the Bibliot Diet when I had that conversation, and all my podcasts for the last three months or so are up there, and it's Bill Meyershow.com. You can also get through it through KMED.com. And I would have to, if you send me an email, I'll even send you a link to the specific episode that that was, but it was a couple of weeks ago. But yeah, That was the Biblio diet, and there's more a conversation going on now about the way that we process wheat, because if you go over to Italy, they eat tons of pasta and wheat and various other things, and they're skinny, you know. And on top of that, I've been to Italy a couple of times in Europe before. Yeah.

I can eat as much bread as I want over there for three weeks or a month. I feel fine. If I eat bread like that back here, my stomach gets literally distended. It's just like a drum. It gets so screwed up. And it's not the gluten. It's the glyphosate. Yeah.

And it could be the other things. Could be the type of, it could be GMO wheat. I don't know. I'm just, you know, spitballing here with you. Yeah. Yeah, there's all sorts of ways. But yeah. And that is also part of RFK Jr.'s a conversation that he's been talking so much about Make America

healthy again. He's really working that hard, really. Well, the problem is the reason I put all that stuff in is because you can double your actual production of a wheat field. Yeah. And all they care about is how much they don't care if it kills you. Well, we might also have to... Well, yeah, we might have to pay more for food as time goes on. And it used to be that food as a percentage of our monthly bill was much higher than it is now.

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Bill, got to love Portland. Liquor store employee has a heart attack, collapses. Customer pretends to come to his aid, pats him down, looking for his wallet. And then when others come to help, he sneaks to the back room and robs the safe. employee dies, but at least it was a peaceful robbery. Yeah, point well taken, Hans. I really do. Jerry writes me about revitalizing Medford. Medford and Southern Oregon in general already is a diamond in the rough.

We have four seasons. We have the most moderate weather. We have the humidity. We don't have the humidity. The other states have. We don't have a sales tax where a relatively small city compared to big cities. We should beware of the propaganda and their ideas of how they can make it better. Eliminate the Greenway problem and the let it burn mentality are a couple of places they could start,

although I realize these issues involved in the state. Thank you very much, Jerry. Email Bill at Billmyershow.com. Now, I didn't have time to get Vicki Westbrook on. She called me during a break here just a moment ago, but she's sending me some more information on the no-tax Oregon deal, the petitions. I will get it up on Bill Myers Show or on Facebook.com slash Bill Mears Show, my feed, and also KMED.com in the next few minutes, okay?

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