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Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Morning news catch up then a great talk with Mike Oneil from Landmark Legal...OTP, the giveaway to big tech even bigger than H1-B!

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning and welcome to Conspiracy Theory Thursday, 77056633-770KMED. The email bill at Billmyershow.com. Boy, I had some great emails come in overnight. I'm going to have to share some of those for the emails of the day for sure.

But I want to let you know who's going to be coming on. Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal in about a half hour, maybe a little bit less than a half hour, because, you know, you may have heard about the H-1B visas and the 600,000 Chinese coming in here, Chinese students, because, well, there's no talent here, you know, remember that controversy last week. Well, what Mike O'Neill is bringing up is something called OPP, the OPP program, which is actually kind of under the radar, but another way that mega people, people that want to make America great and actually go to work in healthy economy, don't get hired and get replaced by foreign students and foreign workers. O-P-T, and it's just something that's kind of, well, he's just going to expose this. Mike will talk with me about this. And then, in spite of, it sounds like we got some great economic news, the good hiring in September. But Patrick Wood, Patrick Wood from technocracy. News, he's the technocracy guy.

He says that we are still rolling really hard towards the technocracy. I mean, he's my conspiracy theory Thursday guy. He's been talking about the rise of technocracy since the early 1970s or so. I think he started writing about it in the late 70s. But what we're experiencing even right now with the current administration and all the tech pros, the merger of tech with government, and it's, he says it's not communism, it's not democracy, it's not socialism, it's technocracy, and we better start calling it what it really is. So I always find him interesting.

I haven't talked with Patrick Wood for a couple of years, two, three years. So we're going to catch up. And I bought a copy of his book, The Final Betrayal. And once again, he brings receipts. So, okay, so happy news on one hand. And then pretty soon we're just all, well, a lot of the green agenda, even that climate-friendly agenda stuff that Governor Kotech and Governor Brown have been talking about, that is all right into this thing, the control of energy and energy.

energy-based economy, a limitation on energy. There's not an unlimited supply because it essentially ends up being the currency. But anyway, we'll talk with Patrick about that. Always an interesting conversation. Some good news and some not-so-good news when it comes to firearms issues. Kevin Sterrett will join me from Oregon Firearms Federation, and we'll kind of kick that around and do other things. And, of course, plenty of time for your calls and opinion because it is conspiracy theory Thursday.

President Trump ended up signing the bill to release the Epstein files yesterday to great fanfare. A big deal. The question is what will be redacted because at the same time, legal eagles are saying that, well, you know, we have this investigation of the Democrats that were involved with Epstein, and so it may delay or stop. But anyway, DOJ has 30 days to cough it up, and we'll see what ends up happening. Meanwhile, we have a three-judge panel in Texas that rejected that redistricting plan, the one that was going to help the Republicans take the midterm election next year. And a dissenting judge ended up saying, the most blatant exercise of judicial activism that I have ever witnessed. Well, welcome to the United States 2025, Judge. They can pretty much know that.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration, though, is suing to prevent the California redistricting plan from going in. So, boy, I'll tell you, everyone is going to war over what's going to happen next year in the 2026 midterm elections. California Governor Newsom, sorry about him this morning. Victims of the Palisades fire are bringing a lawsuit over the role of a state park official in the fire. And he's tried to wash his hands. Newsom, of course, has been trying to wash his hands of this. This, according to the LA Times, attorneys working on. behalf of Palisades residents trying to focus attention on California State Park's role in Palisades.

They're alleging that the state agency didn't do enough to monitor the Lachman-Burnscar in the Topanga State Park and ensure that the area was safe after the firefighter said the fire was contained. And now the lawyers are claiming that a state park official who arrived at the scene of the fire directly interfered with the Los Angeles Fire Department's mop-up operation. shouldn't. So the lawyers. Who wins the lawyers? Always. And we will see about that. Also another an interesting national story. Protesters encounter protesters squaring off in Deerborn, in Deerbornistan, Michigan. It's all about the Islamification of their city. Hmm. Nothing to worry about. In port as many Muslims as you want, what could possibly go wrong in the United States, kind of like England, England, which is no longer for the English.

But in 2023, Dearborn became the first Arab majority city in the entire country. In November, this year, the city reelected Abdullah Hammond is the mayor. And then that mayor publicly told a Christian minister that he was not welcome here. That was a story in Fox News, you may recall. But Deermore residents and Michigan residents are realizing that they have a problem. On Tuesday, a group marched behind a banner of Americans against Islam. I don't know what will happen to them, but just know that people are realizing it, but is it going to be in time? Don't know. Now then, a little closer to home here, some of the headlines we have going on this morning.

KOBI 5 reporting that the City of Grants Pass officially awarding Elk Island Trading Group that $1.2 million homelessness grant. That's the 160 elevated beds, two people to a room, and it's a partnership with the Mint folks, right? And this is the one that's down by the Bymart. And what we're talking about here, low barrier. Low barrier means high drug use, essentially. Dogs and pets and everything else and drug use, it's going to be that way, 160 beds. And so I guess it's just going to be a legalized shooting den, but the people will be off the streets, I guess. And many citizens, according to KOBI, voicing concerns over drug use at the site.

City attorney Stephanie Nuttles said mandatory drug testing, not allowed, as this would not fit the parameters of a low barrier shelter. Ah, yes, progress. But I guess that is progress, right. Now, remember yesterday when Glenn Arshambeau and I were talking about pipeline safety, and we were talking about the Olympic pipeline that brings fuel down to southern Oregon? Ultimately, yeah, I know it terminates a little bit farther north, but then the trucks bring it from there. And we had talked about how there had been a crack found in the pipe.

This was a couple of weeks ago. They were talking about it at the pipeline conference over in New Orleans. It's what Glenn and I were discussing yesterday morning. you can find it on the Bill Meyershow.com and KMED.com podcast from yesterday, 8 o'clock. But now, Oregon Public Broadcasting reporting that the Northwest's primary oil pipeline has shut down again. So we were talking about the first time it got shut down because of the crack. Now it's the second time in a week.

This time, Washington Governor Bob Ferguson is declaring an emergency about this. governor's office said that the CETAC International Airport could run low on jet fuel by Saturday night. So this is a big deal, big, big deal. For the next 14 days, Ferguson's proclamation will allow fuel truck drivers. So truck drivers that are serving the airport to work longer hours than the normal safety requirements usually allow. So BP closed off the Olympic pipeline again Monday after finding. diesel leaking where workers were responding to a previous jet fuel spill. And this is in that drainage ditch on a blueberry farm near Everett.

A couple of weeks ago is when they found that. And this pipeline carries gas, diesel, jet fuel from four refineries, goes to CETAC Airport, Renton, Tac, Airport, Renton, Tac, Vancouver, Portland. And then from Portland, the gasoline and diesel and jet fuel makes its way down here to southern Oregon. And there's no timeline for restarting the pipeline. So I just want you to be aware what was going on. That's why I thought it was so important to talk with Glenn about that. Glenn was saying, hey, this is a big deal.

And, yeah, it's pretty fragile. It's really a single point of failure when it comes to Southern Oregon energy supplies. I'm not even sure that we could take gasoline from California and bring it here. You know, every state has its own formulation, which is kind of stupid. I think there should be one formulation and just make it easy. but I don't believe that California gasoline could be sold here. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe it's Oregon gasoline couldn't be sold there.

But something to keep an eye on, at least. All right. Channel 12, KDRV, reporting that Rogue River School District Superintendent quitting at the end of the year. Yeah. It was the board meeting, and Patrick Lee said he's going to quit and retire. You know, the whole thing, spend more time with his family, 32 years in education, 18 years over at Rogue River.

Of course, I can't help but notice it's at the same time that we had this big controversy about the porno video that is causing all sorts of problems. Remember when I was talking with Emily Kamiller last week about that? You know, the porno stuff comes in there and then Patrick Lee says, you know, retirement's starting to look a lot better. I don't know if the two are connected, but you can't help but note the connection. Sort of like how maybe we're finding out how much the ball stadium will really cost or what could really happen with a creek side quarter.

And then the city manager Bob Fields ends up, well, you know, we've agreed to quit and move on. I don't know. Nobody's talking. You know how that kind of stuff goes. K.O.B, I had another interesting story that I thought was fascinating and actually pretty cool. I have never thought about what happens to canine dogs, canine police dogs, when they get shot or hurt on the job. I never really gave it too much thought. But Mercy Flight's now doing a groundbreaking emergency medical protocol designed just to treat and transport the canine officers who get hurt.

Now, this is going to be a first for Jackson County. Went into effect in October. And Philip Reed, who's the operations manager for Mercy Flight, saying that the initiative, is looking to innovate and meet emerging needs. And this protocol developed in collaboration with Mercy Flight's medical director, Dr. Bond. Dr. Bond, yes. And so they have a four-hour training course on how to, well, how to help dogs, how to stabilize dogs. And Reed says the training will bring the similarities or bridge the similarities between humans and canines.

And now canine handlers can't start life-saving aid immediately on the dog. and paramedics will now be able to step in if they need more stabilization. So I think that's pretty good. I never even considered about that. And I guess if a canine does get shot or injured on the job, then where they take them is to a Southern Oregon Veterinary Specialty Center for the advanced care if they need some more care. So anyway, pretty interesting story.

Now then, in just a second, I'm going to share a report from the CDC this morning before the other news reports here this morning that I never ever thought that I would see on CDC.gov. And I'll share that with you next on the Bill Meyer show. And performance. Choose

Stephen Westfall Roofing. Their standing seam metal. This message made possible by OHA hospital-based intervention grant. Hi, I'm Lisa with Kelly's automotive service and I'm on KMED. By the way, speaking of the Salvation Army last Friday ringing the bell KMED, Numbed,

number one radio station that afternoon raising money more than 12,000, $12,000, $12,000, $1,200 in a couple of hours. $1,200, I think it was $1210, something in that neighborhood, but congratulations to you, all those generous listeners that ended up showing up. It was great talking with you, and I appreciate your contributions to the Salvation Army. Good stuff. I'm sure Lisa Kelly, who was ringing the bell after me, also did a really good job. But number one radio station that day, that's pretty cool. now then cliff cliff you want to talk about governor kotex executive order this is the one

pushing more green energy more vapor energy in other words is what she's doing and we're and we're just going to be more climatized and just friendly and we're going to save the world here apparently right is that what you're talking about okay the goals is to reduce carbon and so the distributors and manufacturers have to add more alcohol or whatever else to lessen the carbon output. And, you know, this goes back to Kate Brown, and when she couldn't get it passed in the legislature... They decided to do it by executive order, both Kotech and Governor Brown. Yeah. So my read on this, and this also came out in, what's his name, Oregon Roundup. Because they estimate right now because of Browell, they estimate right now because of

Brown's executive order, it already increases the price of gas seven to 20 cents. That's an estimate. And the way I'm reading the executive order from Kotech now is that it is an end around to the signature process of the initiative petition is going on right now. Oh, they're very well. She's going to do whatever it takes to make the price of fuel go up one way or the other. Now, that will not necessarily bail out ODOT's budget. though, right? No, but it'll just increase, you know, the price of gas and, you know. Yeah, well, Governor Kotech wants you cold in the winter and hot in the summer. That's just the way it is. And as soon as even the Democratic folks out there start figuring out that she's no

friend of you. And then when Bill Gates himself is even saying, all right, we just have to find a way to work around what warming temperatures might be doing rather than trying to control the climate, maybe the state will return to normal. But yeah, this is the battle that we're we find ourselves here, Cliff, which is why at least the first thing we got to do is knock out her tax from the special session. Get it gone. Yeah, and then one more thing. I say another article from OPB, and apparently the powers to be up there on that IBR, Interstate Bridge, high-fi bridge, is that there's planning on spending $114 million to bribe four companies. companies upstream from the IBR so that they can keep the height of the bridge where it's at.

Yeah, they want to keep the height of the bridge lower, but, of course, to do that, then wouldn't that require a span, a movable span in it, right? Yeah, a movable span, which is what they have right now. Yeah. But the whole idea is that they want the nice, shiny new bridge so that they can have more light rail that nobody will be riding along with the buses. Okay. At the cost a billion dollar a mile, at least.

I know. Like I said, this state tends to elect nonsense elite membership people. I mean, Governor Kotech, Governor Brown, they're all part of that same thing. They're just raw, left-wing, environmentalist ideologues. And they, you know, elections have consequences, Cliff. I don't know what to tell you, right? That's all I can say. Well, the problem is that people keep voting them in. I know. I guess apparently that, you know, they, they, they, one economic destruction for themselves, okay?

But a point well taken, and we'll certainly be picking that up as time goes on, all right? Thanks for the call, Cliff. It's 631. Now, I promised I was going to give you a quick take. We'll have to do some more on this, but many people have emailed this story to me this morning, and then I went over to the CDC.gov. I never thought that I would ever, ever see this on a government website. CDC.gov, this is a report which came out yesterday, the 19th, Autism and Vaccines.

The key points here. The claim that vaccines do not cause autism is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism. I'm so glad that someone officially has finally put this in writing. at the CDC. Also another key point, studies supporting a link to autism, pardon me, try this again, studies supporting a link to autism have been ignored by health authorities. HHS has launched a comprehensive assessment

of the causes of autism, including investigations on plausible biological mechanisms and potential causal links. And one of the things they're talking about is that they say It's critical to address questions that the American people have about the cause of autism to ensure public health guidance is adequately responsive to their concerns. Approximately one in two surveyed parents of autistic children believe vaccines played a role in their child's autism, often pointing to the vaccines their child received in the first six months of life. D-tap, that's diphtheria, tetan, pertussis, rather, and hepatitis B.

and also the polio virus. It activated IPV and PCV also MMR. These connections have not been properly and thoroughly studied by the scientific community. Well, you know how they pulled that off with MMR? They would do a danger test or a safety test for measles, and then they would do another one, or they would take the safety test for mumps, and then they would take the safety test for Rebella,

and they'll say that since, well, all three of these were fine on their own, if we combine them, it's not going to cause a problem. That has been the conceit that the CDC has tended to operate from. But anyway, this is like a five, six-page study or report this morning, and it is well worth it. You can probably just search it. Autism and Vaccines, CDC.gov. And it came out yesterday.

I would imagine that there are many, many people, maybe some of the lifers at the CDC who are not happy about this report coming out today. And I would also imagine there are many vaccine manufacturers who are not feeling very happy this morning either. It's 634, you're on KMED in KPXG. There's no championship league for small business owners. But if there was, you'd be at the top of the standings. Because going... Click go terraferma.com. CCB-173-5547.

That's go terraferma.com. You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. You've heard about the H-1B thesis. You also heard maybe about the 300. Well, now they want to do 600,000 Chinese students to flood the university system. And have you heard of O-PT, though? I have not.

And as Congress and the Trump administration are arguing about the... visa issues and okay how can we make sure that Americans get jobs that they're qualified for I want to talk with Michael O'Neill Michael O'Neill from the landmark legal foundation landmark legal dot landmark legal dot org isn't that right Michael just want to make sure you get the website right first up all right so I have never heard of OPT but yet it is a big big deal when it comes to making sure that Americans don't get American jobs it's a it's a fascinating story and you're exposing this. Can you tell us a bit about that, please?

Sure, sure. The F1 visa program, everybody's familiar with the H-1B visa program, right? This is the importation of non-American, non-immigrant foreign workers into our job system, into our employment system, into corporation. Well, there's another program. It's called the OPP, which stands for optional practical training program. Now, this is a regulatory program operated out of the Department of Homeland Security. This is, what this does is it allows individual students who are, who are, enter the country under F-1 visas. Now, F1 visa, that's the student visa. If you want to come here from whatever country and studying one of our universities or colleges, you enter here under the F1BSA.

Okay, so the standard F1 visa for a student now, is the F1 visa, is that like a designation of the super smart, super, super, super, super qualified, or just anybody that's coming in is the F1? No, that's a student. Yeah, the student visa, the super qualified one is to escape in my number, by my brain at the, at the home, but the F1 student visa, it's just as your standard student visa. You come in here and you want to study at a college university. And really, I don't think policy-wise, that's a problem. You know, I think it's not a problem if our universities want to accept international students and enroll them. Fair enough. Okay. But there's a program that's operated under the F-1 visa auspices, right? And it's operated out of the Department of Homeland Security.

It's a regulatory program. Congress has never weighed in on this or never authorized this. This is wholly a regulatory program created by DHS, again, called the optional practical training program which allows students who are here on the F1 visas to maintain their residents, to maintain their presence in the United States for up to 36 months after they've graduated from college or university to function in an employment capacity. And so if you graduate, for example, with a STEM degree and you're an international student, you're here on an F1 visa, you can remain in the United States or up to 36 months if you're employed by some whatever company that's consistent with your degree. So the problem here is obviously a couple. Number one is you're talking about

up to 600,000 individuals, students who are here who remain up to 36 months after they're no longer students and they're no longer enrolled in their colleges or universities. So they're competing with recent college graduates, American college graduates for these entry-level tech STEM jobs. Yeah, and I've been reading here. I think we all have been, Mike, that college graduates, especially STEM graduates, have been having a devil of a time getting hired by the high-tech world because, well, I think we have an idea now, why, because they're coming in through OPT. They have a ready-made side, a whole big supply of foreign graduates that are able to stay here for up to three years. Boy, that, and probably cheaper, right? That's most likely.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that they, I don't think corporations have to pay spike at taxes on these individuals. I also think that that's a huge, obviously, incentive. And then obviously there's the disparity in bargaining here. If you're an international student that's here conditioned on enrollment of this program, condition on your employment, obviously there's a disparity in bargaining power. Your corporation, your company is going to have a lot more authority or power over you to compel you to work. Obviously, they can pay you less money than an American worker. And it's also, and think about the environment, I like to think about on a bigger prospect,

think about the environment that recent American college tech graduates are facing right now. They're facing heavy burdens of student loans. they're also facing AI. We don't know how AI, we know it's implicating tech jobs right now. We know AI is replacing a lot of these jobs. Yeah, there are tens of thousands of people already being fired or laid off and replaced with AI in some of these high-tech places. We know that right now. Exactly. So you've got AI, you've got student loans, you've got foreign competing with foreign workers. And so I think the proof is in the pudding. When you look at the top, the list of highest

unemployment rates for recent college graduates, and you cross-reference it with their degrees, The number two, interestingly enough, is a physics degree. So you're better off with an art history degree, for example, I think, for an employment prospect, then you are with a physics degree. Also in the top ten is you have computer engineering and computer science. So you have these tech graduates or hard science STEM graduates who are having trouble finding jobs because of, again, because of AI, but also because of this, they have to compete with cheaper foreign labor, foreign workers for this program.

And Bill, we haven't even really talked about. This is a program that was never authorized by Congress. Remember, we talk about F1 visas, H-1B visas. Those are all subject to the statutory constraints of Congress. Congress has authority to set the parameters of this. This is wholly a creation of the regulatory process. So when we talk about all the problems with the administrative state, administrative agencies promulgating these rules that have effects on the United States economy,

this falls into that bucket. This is something that was concocted out of PHS. It was never authorized by any politically accountable branches. Department of Homeland Security comes up with a jobs program, for foreign workers. I'm kind of astounded. Could you even understand why just saying that? It just sounds like,

who the hell gave them this power to do it, right? Right, right, right. And I mean, well, what we're talking about is this is something that dates back about. I mean, it started in the early 90s, but it really reformed in the mid-2015, 2016, and this is really a product of a lot of the powers of the tech companies, right? Big tech corporations want to have a pipeline

to entry-level cheap workers that they can use. And so, of course, they're going to lobby for a program like this that can ensure that they can hold you, you know, think about it. You hold up for three years, okay, then you just can turn over with another crop of recent college graduates, international college graduates. Again, and who's adversely affected in all of this is your American tech worker. So that's very problematic from a policy, from a policy perspective, and also from a legal perspective.

Mike, O'Neill from Landmark Legal Foundation, Mike, to your point, though, about how American workers automatically are more expensive right out of the gate. And we're not even talking about the negotiation for salaries. You said that these foreign workers aren't paying the Social Security and Medicare taxes, right? Yeah, yeah. That's how I understand it, is that the corporations are exempt from having to pay these. Well, that makes those workers automatically 15% cheaper, even with everything else being equal than an American worker. Isn't that astounding? It's various. I mean, and then, so all things being equal, of course you're going to, I mean, of course, the corporations are going to take the cheaper worker. I mean, it makes a logical sense from a bottom line standpoint, but from a policy standpoint, we are prioritizing foreign workers over American workers. And I think in this environment, when you're talking about all of the headwinds that young recent college graduates are facing, look, and I know people like to disparage Gen Z and say, oh, they don't have the work, that's like, blah, blah, blah. But I would challenge you, if you Say you're just a kid who's done everything right, graduated from a good state school, University of Michigan, University of Oregon, you've done everything right. And you come out of college and God help you, you might have some serious debt. You might have $50, $60,000, $70,000 of non-dischargeable student loan debt. And you say, well, I studied hard. I got good grades. I'm trying to get a job in a computer engineering field. And lo and behold, you can't get that job. And you say, well, we have all these headwinds already. These kids are already facing all these other headwind, AI, et cetera.

Now we have this regulatory program that's hurting them from getting their jobs. I mean, this is something that I think the American people need to talk about. I'm glad you're talking about it, Bill. I think it's something that DHS needs to take a long, hard look at, particularly in this current economic environment. How many are actually holding these jobs right now? Is there a stat? Yeah, I think it's around $600,000. You know, the numbers are shifting because people are coming into it out of the program.

I think it's around $600,000. So sometimes you see the number $400,000, but we're talking multiple hundreds of thousands of people. So it's a significant program. And I mean, you talk about that, I mean, extrapolate the numbers out there. You're talking billions of dollars. And also, it's interesting also that, you know, I'm not like a big pro-tax guy, but we are facing a lot of headwinds when it comes to debt and deficits. And if you're cutting off an income stream just to benefit, you know, tech corporations or

what have you, then that's another thing that the exemption from the FICA and Social Security taxes, these are programs that are already facing, facing a lot of problems in terms of funding. Talk about insult to injury. Is there any conversation, though, about eliminating this program and changing it so that this is just not, you know, China and India, you know, win every argument here this time. And, you know, the tech pros up on the stage with all of our politicians aren't just an automatic winner on these kind of things. What do you think? Yeah, I think so. I mean, people are starting to talk about this. I mean, Eric Schmidt from the Senator from Missouri has pushed out some materials on this.

Different groups are talking about it. So I think it's starting to get some traction. The good news with this is it doesn't require any kind of congressional action to remove this, rescind this program. This is, as I said, the bad news is this is a regulatory program and then it was concocted out of DHS. The good news is it's a regulatory program and it doesn't require any supermajorities in Congress to do away with. It just takes a regulatory action to reform or to rescind the program. program. So from that context, it doesn't, it's not a big drawn-out process. Obviously, there's the administrative process that you have to follow under the APA, but you don't need any, what I'm

trying to say is you don't really need any congressional action, although it's important that members of Congress are talking about it. All right. And now, is this something that, now I know that I'm normally not a fan of trying to do everything via executive orders, but, you know, Department of Homeland Security is under direct control of the administration of President Trump. could President Trump issue an executive order saying we rescind these rules or we change these rules? Is that within his power? No, I would, again, the APA is commanding here. I think that that would be an easy slam dunk for it.

Look, there's a lot of powerful interests that are wedded to this and want to see this program continue. So obviously we'd think of a lot of the big tech companies and there are a lot of smart lawyers. So you want to follow the mandates of the APA, the administrative procedure act, and that would involve notice and comment procedures. you'd have to do an advance notice of rulemaking. You'd have to do the whole rigor moral, which is good, which is fine. So you just can't raise your hand and write the pen like President Trump, and so it is written so it shall be, right? You can't do it then.

I would feel comfortable dotting the eyes and crossing the T's, so it would survive the inevitable legal scrutiny that it's going to be under by the powerful interests who are wanted to this program. Well, I'm glad you brought this to my attention because all the time we've been talking about immigration with very many guests over the years. I have never heard of the optional practical training. How long has this been going on, Michael? Well, the program's been in existence since 1992, but really 2016 is really when it got full effect to what it is.

And that was when the process was changed from 12 months to 36 months for individuals with STEM graduates. So it was originally a 12 month. And I think the original reason for it was, okay, some of these graduates might need some sort of training in their requisite field and that's a continuation of their education but then it was extended out past the 12 months 36 months and around 2016 and so you're taking 36 months and it really functions not as a training program more as a pipeline to cheap entry-level workers in these in these tech fields and when it comes right down to it immigration policy needs to benefit the united states of america as a whole not a particular industry not a particular political donor class you know whatever getting out of here

And, you know, a lot of lobbies are involved over there. I'm sure K Street would probably not like changes to this, would they? When you think? No, as I said, there is a lot of powerful lobbyists. This has been litigated in the past. And interestingly, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals had issued an opinion on this, upholding it there. It was fraught with all kinds of errors for all the things we've been talking about

regarding going beyond the authority of the statute of the Immigration Naturalization Act. But what's happened in that litigation, you saw the powers arrayed against this. In other words, the powers are arrayed in favor of this program. And certainly, it is significant. However, though, I think the political wins are really shifting in 2025 now. You're seeing this increased scrutiny of the H-1B visa program, for example. You're seeing that politicians and particularly individuals in Washington, D.C., are concerned with the American worker and the adverse effects that all of these policies are having on the American work.

and I think this falls right within that bucket. This is a good thing that there is starting to be a renewed focus on this because between AI, AI, of course, is very disruptive and is already eliminating many lower-tier jobs right now in many cases. You have to have the American college graduates who went to school, did the right thing, got their degrees in the fields that they were told are going to be ready for them. They need first crack at those.

They need a first crack in a fair playing field. and it doesn't sound like this O.P.T. Well, OPT definitely puts a thumb on the scale in favor of the foreign worker, no doubt. Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, I think it's something that DHS can take a hard look at immediately sooner rather than later. There is some rumbling that it is on a regulatory agenda to take a look at this and possibly reform it. I think it's important to talk about what really the effects of this are on the American worker and how it is not only from a policy perspective, it's bad, but it's also bad from a legal perspective. As I was telling you earlier, the F1 visa statute provides for students stipulates that a student is somebody who comes in here to a bona fide student to pursue a course

of study. That's the language from the statute. Now, that doesn't authorize the DHS to create this OPP program out of thin air because these individuals enrolled in it are no longer bona fide students because they're not enrolled in their colleges or universities. And they're certainly not pursuing a course of study because they're out there gainfully employed by whatever company you want to have. So there is no authorization under the statute for this. And I think the D.C. Circuit made an error when it, when it concluded otherwise. And again, I think it's incumbent upon the Department of Homeland Security, correct it from a legal perspective, and also for all the reasons we've been talking about, Bill, from a policy perspective. Mike O'Neill, great talk

on this. Thanks for exposing this. This optional practical training, the O.P.T. program there run through the Department of Homeland Security, all right? Mike O'Neill, once again, Landmark Legal Foundation doing great work over there. Landmarklegal.org, and we appreciate the update. Thanks so much. Keep us in the room there, okay? Take care, Bill. Have a great day. Thank you very much. 6.54. This is KMED, KBXG on the Bill Meyer show. Coastal Farm and Ranch, just what the country needs.

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Central Point Family Dentistry.com and get an appointment today if you could. And boy, I have a lot of people who have written about some of the legal things and other stuff going on. About the phonics. We've been talking about the science of reading, how the baloney that has been coming out of the State Department of Education. Well, the reason why the Oregon kids in fourth grade are reading at 50 out of 50 states level, is because, well, there's too much local control and they're not involved in the science of reading. Now, the science of reading is phonics, all right?

They don't want to call it that. Dwayne Younger made it very clear the other day when he was on the show that the reason they don't want to do this is because they know that the educational elites screwed up and they destroyed a couple of generations of working kids with using whole language and various other ways of doing it. But a lot of people writing me about this, they get it. Kathy weighs in Bill.

My daughter learned to read using a phonics curriculum. It was called Open Court. Now, a couple of years later, California had changed the curriculum to a whole language and invent a spelling curriculum called Impressions. And three years later, he had to get tested for special ed because she was so far behind the other kids when we moved overseas to teach in a process. private school. Luckily, the third grade teacher caught the child up and they were both, oh, I see, though, the daughter learned reading using phonics. It was her son. It was her son that ended up getting the whole language one. And then he had to get tested for special ed because he was so far behind the other kids when they moved overseas. He couldn't read. Now luckily his third grade teacher

caught him up and they were both great readers as young people and now as adults. But check this out. Now that the scores keep going down, crisis, California, is now implementing a phonics-based reading curriculum again 30 years later. Duh. Thank God we have two grandkids who love to read and want to do it at home. Kathy from Hornbrook, and Kathy, thank you for weighing in on that. But yeah, 30 years later, multiple generations of school kids, that's more than two generations of K through 12 schools. kids. Many of them, probably not functional readers and not enjoying to read. And, you know, that's one of the worst things. If you don't read well, it's hard to enjoy reading. And to enjoy

reading, though, is to open up the world to you. I mean, especially if you're going to go to college, you've got to go to college, so much of this is reading. It's not just going to be the oral tradition, as it were. Dale writes me about local control. The Morningville, looks to me like the Roeb River School District is one of those examples of too much local control. I'm being facetious, of course, Dale Wrights. Nice crowd of people at the Jackson County Republican Party headquarters to sign the tax petitions yesterday. My wife and I went in about 120 and it took them about 20 minutes to sign all petitions. Lots of them coming and going. I appreciate that. Betty weighs in. We were talking about, if we're a little bit about President Trump wanting

to make medical coverage and medical care cost less. And one of the ideas that he's coming up with is a $2,000. Now, once again, he's just negotiating on this right now. It's the bargaining time. But instead of just having subsidies going to the insurance companies who seem to be just having soaring stock values and CEO pay, how about the subsidies going directly to the actual customer if they need that? And Betty says, Bill, you can't turn over cash to people. It will go up and smoke. Let them set up with a credit, only a list of insurance and the charges, and then they can decide. I'm pretty sure that they would not be passing out the subsidies just as cash, you know, giving in there. Yeah, you'd probably have to spend it for. Well, Betty, I'm just

spitballing on this one. It could be something as simple as, well, I like through my employer, you have a, an FSA, you know, the flexible spending account kind of thing. It's a, you know, it's a debit card and there's a certain amount in my account that I put in tax free and then I can use it only for medical expenses and you have to put a receipt with it or that's probably how they would do this so that way if you wanted to take your $2,000 a year let's say because you're of low income and you need help on the on the medical coverage and let's say that you want to do direct primary care you want to have a good doctor taking care of you direct primary care rather than being in the insurance mafia.

Well, then maybe you could do that and use it for the monthly fee. But then you would be able to show that, hey, I'm paying a medical person for this care. That could be what is going on, all right? Butch writing in this morning, Bill, about Cascadia. Despite all the money spent on crystal balls, we're not prepared. My plan for the earthquake here, convert our National Guard to engineering units and stage Bailey bridges at every armory. In the event of an earthquake, we're going to lose I-5. No-Dot in their, I love how he always calls it No-Dot.

No-Dot in their infinite wisdom adopted a design to protect our bridges from Japan, the Japan-type earthquake. Well, when they had their quake, their bridges failed, but we continued using that design. Also, imagine young people joining the Guard and learning how to operate and maintain equipment, being much more productive than 100% infantry. Butch from Gold Hill. Butch, appreciate your writing. Email bill at Billmyershow.com. We'll continue here.

Fox News coming up. We'll have a hand of the update. And then we have Mr. Technocracy. Patrick Wood is a new book. And can we call a technocracy yet rather than democracy? We'll have that coming up. As your family and ours gather for the holidays, we wanted to take...