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Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Is the U.S. being ushered into a Technocracy, or Scientific dictatorship as we speak? Patrick Wood says YES, and we discuss it and his book The Final Betrayal: How Technocracy Destroys America.

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Patrick Wood is a leading and critical expert, sustainable development, the green economy, Agenda 21. Vision 2030. Of course, Metford has its Vision 2040 plans. You know, it's all kind of started the same thing. And also a big critic of historic technocracy. And it's, how many years has it been since we had a chat here, Patrick? Welcome back to the show. Good morning. It's been a while, I know, a couple of years anyway. Yeah, a couple of years. And I kind of feel badly that I lost track. Of course, I kept reading what you're doing on technocracy. News. And you have a new book out. I bought a copy of it. the other day and of course devouring it as as usual and it's not communism we're not experiencing socialism we're not experiencing democracy we're certainly not in the process of of reviving a republic at this point in time either a constitutional republic the claim that you're making is that this is the final betrayal and we're really just rolling into the technocracy that you have

been describing since so i know the last 30 40 years wouldn't you say well exactly i've been writing specifically about technocracy for at least 15 years now and uh my first book came out i gosh 11 years ago uh technocracy rising uh subtitle the trojan horse of global transformation and uh basically it's been spot on at this point uh with everything that we see today especially all of the arch technocrats defending on washington dc is evident that I was right along along the way. And for those that don't know what technocracy is, it's actually a very old idea,

but it's been gussied up under artificial intelligence and a bunch of other, you know, hot stuff. And maybe technocracy wasn't capable of being instituted in the 1930s, you know, but perhaps high-tech makes it more possible now. Explain how this all got started, if you don't mind. Well, it started in Columbia University, believe it or not, in 1932, where the whole doctrine of technocracy was established.

And it was basically an economic system. They thought that they were going to replace capitalism with this new system. And it was based on resource management, not political discourse. In fact, they wanted to get rid of all politicians back in that day. They wanted FDR to declare himself dictator and dismiss Congress altogether. This is basically the attitude we see today, however. This whole thing, this whole idea of resource-based economic system has been, well, put it this way. It's the same ideology today as it was in 1932. It hasn't changed hardly at all. And they don't talk

about, well, as a matter of fact, when it comes to we the people, we're just kind of an irritant And, in fact, you even describe it that when you get behind the scenes with the high-tech bros, the bros that get in touch with every president that, you know, we've had, but especially there's been a big push in this in the Trump administration. Every time they get together, if you find out what they really think about the people, it's kind of a sneering dismissal, is it not? We're kind of looked at as sheep or cattle to be managed, almost like where they're heard. That's the idea.

Yeah, when we saw this in Agenda 21 that was coined in by the United Nations in 1992, where the definition of resources, that's what the, under the term biodiversity, you probably understand that in a different way than most people. But biodiversity was redefined to include people, humans. So that, it became fair game for them to look at us as just another resource like the cattle in the field, the trees in the forest, the oil in the ground, whatever. And also, we're not any more worthy of living than anything else, right? That's right. That's exactly right. So there's a very bad attitude, in my opinion, nobody should have this attitude that people are simply just resources to be managed. therefore they believe they're the only ones that can have they have a science put it that way

to manage the herd and so this is really really disturbing you know when COVID came along in 19 excuse me in 2020 that was that was an expression then of managing the herd what happened after COVID well forgetting the virus itself when the shots came out 72% of the world was convinced to take that shot, at least one or more of the experimental vaccines. That was not just an operation in America or the United States. This was a global initiative at that point, and it just shows you how pervasive this idea is that they think they have the right to manage us like that, even without consent. Well, you have mentioned. before that technocracy the system of technocracy you'll hear the term technocrats being

bandied about all the time but technocracy at its simplest is a scientific dictatorship right everything is based on the science think about how we were beaten into submission during that time and even continuing with well where are your scientists where are your high priests and priestesses you know to give us their expertise from on down high. Yes, you're exactly right. Exactly right. And, you know, at this point, we see, oh, my gosh, we see all of these things descending on us all at once. You know, there was a time in the 70s when the Trilado Commission members ganged up on the political establishment in Washington, D.C. they adopted Jimmy Carter to come in, his vice president, Walter Mondale, all of his

presidential appointees came from the trial out of commission. That was the last time that we saw a swarm of people in Washington, D.C. It wasn't about politics, however. It was about their so-called new international economic order. They basically, they captured the economic engine of the world with the United States. Now, is that even what you think former President Bush was referring to when he was discussing the new world order? Is it really about the new world economic order? Exactly. And Bush, of course, was a member of the trial out of commission as well.

But now, in Washington, D.C., all of these technocrats who have descended on Washington, D.C., they're all visible now. They're not hiding. They're not hiding in plain sight, so to speak, like the time. trial out of commission did over the years. But today, you see all of these people congregating in Washington, D.C., and their intent is to impress upon us a new economic system, just like we saw before with the trial out of commission. And this new economic system is going to be ugly because they're talking about establishing in a monarchy. They're talking about you know, completely dismantling the democracy and the constitutional public, they're just saying it outright. And it's amazing. Now, Patrick, let me just take it back here. You know,

we had those No King rallies a few weeks ago over the last few weeks and months here. And could they being, I'm talking about the No King's people, the No Kings people, the No Kings, you know, hissy-fitters, could they have a point, but it's not Trump that is looked to be the king? I, I, I, I'm just in all seriousness, I'm kind of wondering if this is kind of a misdirector, a head fake of a sort. I don't, you know, it's really not about Trump at this point, even though he's at the top of the pyramid, undoubtedly. But it's not a political issue at this point. These technocrats in Washington, D.C., they have another agenda. This is why I titled our book, by the way, Courtney Kurt Turner was my co-author on this book.

the reason I call this the final betrayal is that this is different this time. We've always dealt with broken promises, right? Politicians. Oh, yeah, politicians make a promise, and we expect them to be broken. That's pretty much far from the question, right? Exactly. This is not an example of broken promises. This is something altogether different, because, for instance, before the election in 2024,

Did anybody have an idea of what dark enlightenment meant? No, no, but you could find anybody, one in a thousand or ten thousand people might have heard of a dark enlightenment, but after the election, after Trump got seated, all of a sudden these things start showing up. The dark enlightenment, and people were wondering, what the heck am I talking about? This is a nefarious technocratic philosophy that was coined by a guy from a tech bro from Silicon Valley by the name of Curtis Jarvin. And his proposal is, and this, by the way, this philosophy is sheer, but all the tech tech bros in Washington, D.C., they, what Yarvin said, well, we have to have a monarchy. We need to have a CEO run the country, and we need to get all the pesky politicians out of the way,

and that CEO needs to run the country like a king, and, you know, off with their heads. If he doesn't like something, you know, basically he's going to stop it, make a change, whatever. Okay, now that's an interesting claim there. Now, that wasn't President Trump. That sounds more like Elon Musk. Am I right or wrong about that? Well, exactly. We can't say that Trump is not president. He is president for sure. But he has all these people who are exerting more influence than him in Washington, D.C. at this point. People like Elon Musk, like Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel, by the way, he's the co-founder of Palantir, the massive surveillance company that's eating the world at this point. Peter Thiel's a guy who sponsored J.D. Vance into politics a few years ago, and now he's

vice president. In other words, J.D. Vance has his guy on the inside. That has always been my uncomfortableness with J.D. Vance, knowing the background, the people that are promoting it, and yet J.D. Vance speaks quite well and actually comes out with things that seem, you know, quite reasonable, but you always start wondering about, okay, you got to dance with who brung you, right? The technocrats. And if the technocrats and the high-tech pros and the AI specialists, if those are the ones that brought you, naturally, you're not going to do anything to get in their way, right? Because they helped you get here. Hmm. Exactly. So people across America at this point are figuring out we have been betrayed this time. It's not a

matter of just broken promises. We've been flat out betrayed by this group of people who came in on the coattails of the populist movement. And who would have thunk it? You know, nobody voted for this type of stuff before, you know, nobody had a clue, no clues at all. Then we're slapped with Doge out of the gate as soon as he came in. Yeah, yeah, why don't you hold that thought here for just a second. I'm going to take a break and then we'll continue this because, like I said, we're only going to get a chance to scratch the surface, but we're going to do our best. Okay, Patrick, stand by, okay?

You bet. Patrick Wood, the final betrayal is his latest book, How Technocracy Destroys America. What would that America look like if the technocrats get their way? We'll talk about that in just a minute on the Bill Meyer show. Are you turning 65 and entering Medicare this year? The details can be confusing and it's easy to miss important facts or get stuck with a late fee. Come see me well ahead of your birthday so you can make sure you understand the system and have time to think through your options. So if you're turning 65, call me, Lynn Barton, at 541-49-0958, or find me at skyparkins.in.com and let me make Medicare easy.

At Skypark, we make insurance easy. This is the Bill Myers Show. I'm talking with Patrick Wood, a serious man for serious times. Technocracy.news is his main website, by the way. And a brand new book just dropped a couple of weeks ago. It's the final betrayal, how technocracy destroys America. And you're making the case that what we're experiencing right now, even though we're thinking of Doge and we're thinking of Make America a great again kind of thing.

But ultimately what is happening is the technocrats are, rolling up the power and the influence and the eventual endgame is that we people are just there to be, we the people are just to be managed and ultimately it's technocracy and energy based or a resource based economy. And how might that look? How might that look if the technocrats ultimately get their way here? Patrick, what do you theorize here? Well, at this point, when you consider that, for instance, this business with a digital ID, this is sweeping the consciousness of Americans, I think, really big right at this point, the idea of assigning a digital ID to everybody in the country, consider your exposure to the Internet, for instance.

The idea now is that everything you do on the Internet can be monitored based on your ID, all of your search history, your proclivities, your preferences, your personality, your demographics, your political persuasion, all this type of information now is going to be swept up into a massive cloud of information that can be used against you for political purposes for economic purposes or whatever. But this is totally antithetic to freedom and liberty. Now, isn't this essentially what Palantir is all about right now? Once again, you were pointing the finger at Peter Thiel, who is the guy who came up with Palantir, and of course, PayPal and what was it, Yelp and a whole bunch of other things, I understand. Yes, exactly, exactly. So scientific

dictatorship. That's one aspect of. Another aspect of it is that Trump and his cronies, the technocrat cronies, have erected a new financial system based on cryptocurrency, and it's going to be kind of replacing what the central bank was working on before, the central bank digital currencies. I was reading some reporting that the Trump administration and family members have really gotten quite wealthy on their cryptocurrency ventures. Is that not the case? Oh, yes, absolutely. But beyond your wildest imagination, for sure.

But at this point, this new economic system that they're crafting, will be predicated on asset-based tokenization, where the assets of the world will be tokenized. I think there's going to be an expulsion of debt and debt-based principles in America. And that will leave us basically stripped of private property as well as the right to, you know, to be able to save money. Is this why Scott Bessett, the Treasury Secretary, was up? What was he talking about on the stage with Trump a few months ago when the high-tech bros were all up there? And they were talking about some kind of a sovereign wealth fund involving the minerals and the assets of the United States.

Do you believe that's going to be tokenized? That's what you think is going to be going on with that? Absolutely positively. In fact, this was talked about on national TV by a Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnik. And he lusted over the fact that if he could just get his hands on the 680 million acres that the federal government owns in the United States, that's mostly in the West. But nevertheless, he said, if we could just get our hands on all that money and tokenize it, why we could make a lot of money. And, of course, he could. But it's not theirs to tokenize, basically, but that won't stop them.

At this point, that's on the radar, exactly. You know, you noted here that even what we see is what had happened with the Klamath Dam removal here. You had mentioned to me on the phone the other day that this is all part of that agenda, what the destruction of our dams even comes into or falls into the technocratic view of the world or the view of things here. Is that true? Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, where this whole doctrine of dam removal across the country, this came from during the Bill Clinton administration where the Secretary of Interior, Bruce Babbitt, set this policy in place. He was a member of the Troutta Commission, as was Bill Clinton and his Vice President Al Gore. all of them together, right? This was a trial out of commission policy

to destroy all the dams in America. He said, well, why would they want to do that? Well, I won't give you a complete answer, but it was nefarious, and it's designed to break down our economic system. In other words, you can't bring in the technocracy unless you break down the current system or what's left of the capitalistic system before you end up bringing in your technate.

I think it's what they call it, the technate, correct? That's right. That's exactly right. You do realize that people are probably looking at you right now like you have two heads, right? I know that. That's fine. But nevertheless, Bruce Babette made a list of what 25,000 dams, that need to be removed in america how stupid is that really

well how can you have an energy based economy or resource based economy if there ends up being lots of available energy isn't that part of the issue of that technocracy exact exactly right they have they they've said this from the get-go from from nineteen thirty two onwards that energy must be controlled down to the the the basic connection to your house even. They wanted to control every watt of energy in the system

so that they can control the economic output. By that sounds very much like the smart grid that was forced-fed to us a number of years ago. You're exactly right. Well, this is still with us. Smart grid is still controlling all the energy, basically at this point, and they know every piece of, you know, watt of energy goes at this point.

Now AI comes in, however, AI data centers, this is a point of contention, by the way, if you want to protest against this stuff, go find your local AI data center and put up a block right now against them. If you have one going into your community, scream bloody murder. and don't let them take your energy, your water, et cetera, et cetera. This is low-hanging fruits, and Americans all across the country right now are up in arms over these data centers. Patrick Wood once again, the final betrayal, how technocracy destroys America.

Patrick, could you hang on through one more segment, and maybe we'll take a few calls, too, if people had a question or comment on this, because I know there are some people who may just go like, Yeah, yeah, Patrick's right. We've been talking about this for years and other people are saying this cannot be. And maybe we can even talk about how there could be some resistance on this in the future or like right now. You've been right.

I'll be right back. Now, see, this is a conspiracy theory Thursday guest, folks. Well, conspiracy which is hanging out or hiding out in plain sight, so to speak. This is the Bill Maher show. Even in it all. And I'm on KMED. A very meaty conspiracy theory. Thursday conversation with Patrick Wood. He's the author of The Final Betrayal, How Technocracy

destroys America. And what we're thinking about, you know, trying to restore the country, is actually bringing us into a new economic system. And the tech bros are kind of the high priestess, or the high priests and priestesses of this. Would that be a fair assessment here, Patrick Wood? Welcome back. I think so, exactly. And you see, you also see members of the Trial Outer Commission milling around, kind of like the sharks in the water, you know, they smell blood. The Trouta Commission is still active today. You see them not quite as much as the technocrats, but they're there. And they've been shepherding this whole thing from the beginning.

This is the new international economic order. This is the expression, the final chapter, if you will. Is this also why there's so much discussion about the need for universal basic income, too? Absolutely. This is a total technocratic proposition from 1930s. They've specified back then there will be a universal basic income for everybody in society, basically subsistence-level support. That meant there would be no private property because,

Because the tech date would own all the resources and the system, and you would be paid a subsistence wage just to get food on the table. Now, I don't want to get off too much in the weeds with you before I take calls because a lot of people want to talk with you, okay? But there was another author I spoke to a while back, David Webb, who wrote it. Did you ever read The Great Taking? Yes. Okay. As a matter of fact. And is part of that the ability for technocrats to be able to do this,

the hypothecation or the pledging of all of these various assets, land, energy, minerals, resources, and how, you know, if you end up having that collapse of the current system, what you think is yours ends up reverting to someone else's ownership and even your stock. in your own stock exchange or in your own stock account wouldn't technically belong to you because they've been pledged through interlocking agreements I I'm not explaining this elegantly but I wonder if this is part of that plan in some ways of what he was talking about absolutely absolutely positive it is and now that they didn't necessarily set it up in the first place but this is a this is a

liability this this gives them an open door to seize assets from people that never have a clue that's going to happen. But you read the book, his theory is solid, and, you know, this is going to be part of the great taking, as he says. Yeah, because I was wondering how the technate ends up getting a chance to take unless there is a crisis in order to enable that. But anyway, we'll pick that up another time, but it just popped in my head as we were talking. Let us head of the phones here because deplorable Patrick is here, and you got a good question. Let's hear it. Go ahead.

Yes, I'm pretty much in tune to the idea that these high-minded people want to disable us and weaken us in every way they can and take away our energy. And along with that, I've been hearing for a long time that our grid is susceptible to EMP strikes, and it's not hardened and it needs to be hardened. But I don't see anybody doing anything about it. I don't hear it. Is that a sideline thing, or is that part of their plan to take away our energy? Yeah, interesting question. Yeah, is it just a stupidity or lack of planning? Or is a more possible sinister motive, I guess, is where Patrick's going on this one, Pat. I've said for a long time that the last thing that the technocrats want to do is disable the grid that can control us in the first place. Okay.

internet. If no energy, no internet, no internet, no control. The last thing they want is a bunch of savages running around the country with pitch forts and torches to come after them. So, you know, they have to control us through the internet and all things, internet, you know, like the smart grid, internet of things, all that kind of stuff. So you're thinking then that might be a a false worry at this point. They'll try to keep that grid up no matter what for that reason. Exactly. Okay. All right. Patrick, great question,

though. And let me go on to David. David's in Phoenix. David, you're on with Patrick Wood. Yeah, good morning, Bill. Good morning, Patrick. Patrick, thanks for being there. You bet. Do you have any practical for us, for example, what companies

like Costco and Amazon and Amazon Prime that we maybe could just turn our backs on and go on about our lives. Do you have any practical things that small, unpowerful people like me can do to forestall some of this or to even change some of this? Well, your focus should be on your local community, for sure, not on, you know, national issues at this point. There's lots of things you can do in your community. Here's two choke points, if you will. One, if you have an AI data center on the books, if your city council is

considering putting one in, protest it to the max. Go to your city council, insist, and get other citizens with you. Don't let them do that to you to screw up your energy grid and, you know, create the tools of destruction for you. I'm not aware that we have any of that right. right now, David and Pat. I don't believe so. But up and up... In Phoenix, Arizona, we do. In Phoenix, Arizona, they're all over the place at this point. Now, here's another joke point. Go ahead. Go ahead. Please. Yeah, David, what were you going to say? You were going to add to that? Go ahead. I was just going to ask them for a couple more, please.

Okay, please. Yes. Here's another one. There's stories now on these surveillance cameras that have been set up around the country to read license plates. They're all over the place. Oh, yeah, the flock cameras. The flock cameras. The flock cameras. You got it. Get a sign and go out and stand by these flock cameras.

You can find them all over this. We have published a map of where all these cameras are in your city. You go get a sign and just point to the camera and say, you're being photographed right now coming and going and start a protest to get these things thrown out of your city. Many cities have done it already, but you don't see those stories because they won't let those stories surface to tell other people across the country, oh, you could really do this? Yes, you can. So if you're if you're being surveilled to depth, now's the time to put the stop of it, to stop to it. And this is very,

very effective protest. People get the picture immediately when you show them, this camera just took a picture to them of them. Yeah. Of course, a lot of people, of course, I'm sure they're thinking, oh, this is keeping us safe, Patrick. It's keeping us safe. Yeah. I'm just posting a great story right now as we speak. I'll give you a headline. Border Patrol is monitoring U.S. drivers and detail. excuse me, detaining those with, quote, unquote, suspicious travel patterns. Really? Okay.

Well, I've been warning about this, this flock cameras along the way. This is the result that the police now, the policing system in America has taken this technology and they're taking pictures of every car. on the highway, and they're interpreting it somehow with AI, that you could be a bad person because you made too many turns. You're using rural roads. Oh, yeah, you're using rural roads to escape detection. I know. Yeah, okay.

Okay. Thank you. That's another great suggestion. And maybe we'll see some more on the wrap up here. I want to make sure that we get Ron. Ron's in Medford. Ron, you've been monitoring a lot of these server systems and more, haven't you? Tell us about it, please. Well, yes. Hi, to Patrick.

Love your work. I'm just on a website right now, and it's called Visualizing All the World's Data Centers in 2025. The Americas, which is North and South America, have 4,995. Second place is Europe with 3,476, Asia, Oceana, 2068. So that's roughly 10,000 at least data centers around the world and growing. I just, I don't know if we've got anything local. I do know we have a lot of those cameras because I've been hit with them. So I don't even go down, I don't even go downtown anymore.

You know, that is suspicious. You know, if you're avoiding going downtown, it's because you don't want to be observed. And I, you know, I don't know about that. Ron, you could find yourself in trouble. That's a fact. You've had, maybe you've had a little too much to think lately, huh? At least, I've been following Patrick for about 12 years now. Wow. You start talking to people.

Thank you for that. Wow. All right. Great. I appreciate the call there. Any comment on what Ron had to say there, Patrick? No, I'm with a man. And the problem is at this point, if he doesn't go downtown, that will be picked up on

the system as a flag. Why doesn't he want to go downtown? He's a suspicious person at this point, you know? Uh-huh. So if you do or if you don't, it really doesn't matter. They're going to figure out your suspicious no matter what you do. So when it comes to politics, though, the whole point of technocracy of having Peter Teals in charge of having, in fact, Elon Musk is part of it, too.

and his grandfather, part of this movement? Oh, yes. Absolutely, past pod. Yeah, exactly. Elon Musk is the king technocrat, if you will, of the world. You mean it's not just Tesla cars and SpaceX and wanting to send people into outer space? It's more than that? You bet.

You know, when he said he wanted to colonize Mars with one million people, he said he will establish. he said he will he will establish a technocracy on Mars he said that so if he wants to establish a technocracy on Mars why wouldn't he want to get close to politicians here in the United States and well start a technocracy here right now all of all of these all of these politicians are cannon fodder there'll be they'll be thrown under the bus eventually this was this is the whole business of the dark enlightenment When they say that they want to have a monarch, like a CEO of the country, how does the CEO act like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk? If you don't, if you cross them, you're out of, you're just out.

You're out of a job. You're out of the system. Well, that's what a CEO does. That's what a monarch does. If he doesn't like you, off with your head. It's the ultimate cancel culture, right? Exactly. And so, you know, this is this is not the America that we were promised when Trump said, we're going to make America great again, right? This is absolutely antithetic to the Americana, if you will. And everything that we stood for before November 2, 2024, it's on the table now. It's being all disassembled and reformed. But you do think that it can be resisted, though.

What you were telling others here, huh? We need to start now. There's no, there's no time to pussyfoot on this. So you say resist the tools that they're using, such as the surveillance, the cameras. Yes, yes. And you need to involve other people in your understanding and the activities that you're doing.

If Americans just don't know that there's a problem, then they won't take any action at all. This has been our problem for all these years. There's been a net of surveillance, excuse me, a net of censorship over all this information so that doesn't get around the country. We need to stop that. People like you and all of your terrestrial radio networks across the country, you guys could be instrumental to inform the American people what's going on,

and encourage them to get out and take action now. Not to, don't worry about voting for president or anything else like that, national politics at this point. Most of your action needs to be local at this point. Let me ask you then about what has happened to too much. In fact, Diana Anderson is going to be putting on a seminar in Central Point tonight because he talks about many of these same sort of things, sustainable development and the world tech.

Nate, that is one of the come in. And we have come under Governor Brown and Governor Kotech Idis of just executive order after executive order. And everything seems to be about reducing the ability for people to be able to have energy because everything's about grain and carbon-free. You know, renewable is all they talk about. We have now what are being developed as climate-friendly, equitable communities in downtown Medford, which, of course, will be the mandated Habitrail, right? You know that's what that means, ultimately, is the Habitrails, stack and pack housing and walkable neighborhoods, which of course always sound good like we're going to be just like Paris of the 1850s, you know, that kind of thing. All right. But are they just

useful idiots in the rise of technocracy, or are they true believers in technocracy? And they just know this has to be done as part of it, you know, starving of energy, starving of travel, reducing of travel, reducing of property right, and more. Most of these people at the lower level don't have a clue about technocracy. They really don't. But they're playing the role. They're supporting the people at the top. For instance, and this is disingenuous, for instance, the people that technocrats,

especially at the United Nations and Washington, D.C., people like Elon Musk, these people have been pulling the wool over people's eyes forever. They can't tell the truth about what they're doing because people would flip out if they heard. So the whole system is predicated on lies. Well, the people at the bottom of that system, they'll never get the truth from the higher-ups from the United Nations, for instance. All right.

So in other words, in other words, the governor is just, playing her proper role as a useful idiot for this, right? That's really what you're saying, our governor. It could be. Absolutely could be. All right. All right. That makes more sense. You know, I'm always willing to ascribe or to

say that, you know, there's probably more stupidity involved in enabling this than actually having bad intentions. Would that be fair? What's going on with a lot of local government? Okay. Exactly. The final betrayal, how technocracy destroys

America, very thought-provoking. And Patrick, it's great talking with you. We'll have you back on, certainly again. Technocracy. Dot news is still your main site, is it not? It is. And, of course, the book is available on Amazon.com and also on technocracy. Dot news.

All right. Very good. Pat, good talk. Very stimulating, okay? You take care. Thank you. A couple minutes before eight, KMED, KMED, H.D. H.1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass.

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