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Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Open phone topics and conversation start the hour, while Dr. Jane Orient MD from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons explains the huge change at the CDC regarding vaccines and autism.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Did you sign the petition over the weekend? Maybe you already signed it last week. I signed it over the weekend. It was a great turnout from all accounts. I just wanted to say, first off, super, super turnout.

And I would say, gosh, I wonder if what we're going to end up doing is having 200,000 signatures submitted when all we really need is about 100,000 or so on the no-tax organ. I've got to tell you. And like I mentioned before, I'm going to continue to bang this going. Isn't it amazing that Governor Kotech has finally managed to unite Republicans and Democrats and the independents and the non-affiliates? Because, yeah, it's not just Republicans that are signing these up. 770-KMED.

Some of the other stories that we have. going on this morning. This is a fascinating story. I don't know if you read the American conservative. I do. Americanconservative.com website. And I was reading it over the weekend. And they have a top foreign affairs story there right now.

Corporate media ignores the real Epstein story. Selective and politicized revelations distract from new evidence that the disgraced financier served Israeli interests. That's the point they were making. Representatives Marjorie Taylor Green, who, of course, by the way, quit over the weekend. She's going to quit in early January. Thomas Massey, Rokana, and others. House Democrats last week published three email exchanges involving Jeffrey Epstein,

and then House Republicans released another 20,000 documents. And the selectively released emails from House Democrats, like the corporate media's own reporting around the Epstein files, has focused almost exclusively on the salacious, with pundits attempting to determine whether and to what degree President Trump knew about or engaged in sex crimes with Epstein. Very much like corporate media attention

around the Monica Lewinsky scandal, rather, in the subsequent Ken star investigation, outlets like the New York Times focused almost exclusively on the tabloid aspects of Epstein's life, a search Democrats and their corporate media allies believe will finally deliver the goods on Trump, implicating him the ultimate presidential sex scandal. None of the emails released this past week confirmed their hypothesis, of course. An email dated April 2012 in which Epstein wrote that the dog that has embarked is Trump,

victim, spent hours at my house with him. And, of course, that was immediately seized on by online liberals, as supposed proof that, yep, we got him. Trump engaged in sex crimes, and yet the ex-users quickly noted that the redacted victim was Virginia Geoffrey, who later recanted those allegations, raising serious questions about her credibility relative to Epstein's many other victims, which may be why House Democrats chose to redact her name, is what they're writing.

American conservative saying it is entirely possible that powerful elites, including Trump, engaged in those crimes with him, but if evidence of crimes from Trump really exist in those files, one would wonder why haven't Democrats already released that and that Trump abruptly on Sunday encouraged House Republicans to further back Epstein disclosure suggests he's confident that nothing in those materials implicate him. But anyway, yeah, the revelations they're talking about unearthed by Fang

and drop site news. those are the ones they're recommending, not the curated and redacted releases from congressional Democrats have done more to expose Epstein's real role in global affairs than any official investigation. If the files released this week prove anything, it's that independent media has rapidly emerged as the only institution capable of an honest analysis of power. And of course, they're saying that the big story, though, is that Epstein was serving Israeli interest and that's where they were going with this particular deal. And that may not necessarily be a popular view in Republicans and Democrats' world, given that there is a lot of political

juice. A lot of political juice spread around here on such matters. 18 minutes after seven, I don't have to talk about that out, though. I just think that American conservative is a pretty interesting site. Not necessarily one of the first ones that people think about, but I do see different type of analysis rolling on there, too. Speaking of Marjorie Taylor Green, what do you think about that quit? I know that, who was it? Let me just see if I could find the website. I think it was, or an email, rather.

Yeah. David writes me, now it makes all sense, Bill, why she quits, because, I mean, she's quitting like January 5th or January 6th because her congressional pension is vested at that point. But if she really cares about the people or her district, she could choose not to run for re-election. And if she was the wonderful person she claims to be, she would fulfill the commitment she made

with the people of her district when she ran for re-election last time. But resigning two days after her congressional pension kicks in, proves that she was only in it for the money and herself. They are alike no matter how much they claim they are different. I don't know. I disagree with you, Dave. I appreciate you writing about that. I will go on the record as saying that I have not been particularly a big fan of Representative Marjorie Taylor Green.

Not always. There are some things that she would do and some things that she would talk about that just seemed like kind of a bizarre coming out of a Congress critter thing. But nobody's is getting rich on the $172,000 a year or whatever. whatever it is, that you have, or that you get paid for being in Congress. And so I don't blame her for hanging on until she's able to get the pension. I wouldn't blame anybody for this. Because chances are, unless you're selling yourself out, well, you know, there is a possibility if she had Nancy Pelosi's stock picks, or, no, pardon me, it wouldn't be Nancy Pelosi,

be Paul Pelosi's stock picks. Then she probably could have quit right now. How about them apples, huh? 7705-633, we can noodle it to anything you want this morning. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? This is Jane.

Hey, Jane. What's going on with you today, this Monday, huh? Yeah, dear. Anyway, well, I agree with your statement about if there'd been anything to it about President Trump, it would already been released. Long time ago. If there was any reason for them to have killed him earlier or killed him in the crib, the political crib, they would have done so. I would have figured that. But anyway, go ahead.

Yeah. Okay, one that I called about is, as for the science, Fucci is the science. And remember, he loves to torture animals. He also lied and helped sponsor a disease to bring into the country to kill people, where there's no way to cure it. What are you speaking about the AIDS medication? He was backing. Is that what you're alluding to? I'm thinking about the OH telling everyone, the vaccines don't do a thing wrong to the kids. Yeah. Well, what the CDC ended up, yeah, and we'll talk about that with Dr. Ori and MD here, just a little bit, Dr. Jane. But, yeah, it's interesting how, let me see if I can find that story. What the OHA and the West Coast Health Alliance, they say they stand with scientific evidence, vaccines are not linked to autism.

Well, what the CDC was saying is that scientific evidence that was linked to autism would be ignored. And so you know, that's, but it is like a state religion, Gene. You have to understand. It is like a secular religion in the medical world.

This is going to be a tough nut to crack. It really will be. Okay. Appreciate the call. Good hearing from you. 770, KMED. Let me go to next call. A little open phone time on Monday. Hi, who's this? Good morning. Good morning, Bill, it's Francine. Francine, how are you?

I'm good, thank you. Hey, I want to, you know, I thought of you this weekend when I was reading an article. Did you happen to catch that article in which they talked about the woman who played the school marm on Little House on the Prairie? Did you see that story over the weekend? No, I didn't. Okay. Why did that make you think of me? Okay, well, I just remember you told me about your time as a young woman, right?

and she was talking about how in 1971, I forget the actress's name, and that's not even important right now, but she had pictures, and it was on Fox, and she had pictures about her going out there on a road trip with Jim Morrison of the Doors, and they were like best buddies, and she described it as kind of friends with benefits, and she talked about her even though she played this prim proper character in Little House on the Prairie later on as the school mar. but you know friends with benefits and hanging out with Jim and they were like best of friends during his tough times when he was being charged it wasn't that long before he died actually but I was just thinking that kind of reminds me of like like Francine you know she described herself as the hippie chick the free spirited hippie chick I think that's Francine

there it is well I've had some good adventures the closest I've ever got to anything like you know with a celebrity and stuff was I had a friend who she she knew a lot of people in Hollywood, and she knew a casting person who said they needed so many girls as extras in a Dennis Hopper movie. Yeah. And it's $100, and you get to stay in a really cool little motel and house and all this stuff. And so I said, oh, heck yes, you know. So I went on that, and I got to meet Dennis Hopper, and the night we get there, all these, there's

all these women, just women, you know. He's in seven heaven, and he's up there telling us all about this movie. He just saw that was still, you know, artistic and so cool. El Topo, and you know, and a long time later, I went and thought it was disgusting. But anyway. But there you are, an extra, right? Yeah, you know, so that wasn't my big, big thing. But it was really fun.

It was really interesting. All right. Well, I didn't mean to distract you there, but I was thinking, there was Francine, you know, the hippie chick that ended up talking about it later on in life, I guess. Oh, yes. Okay, so the reason I called, you know, as far as Marjorie Taylor Green goes, Yeah. There's some things about her that I really didn't like, especially in the beginning,

like her seemingly supportive attitude towards Q because I think Q was an absolute, you know. Oh, one of the worst psychological ops ever foisted on the right, you know, and I was disappointed and all that. But I've come to, I'd come to respect her to, you know, and she seemed like she was not perfect, but she was a pretty good person. And then this whole attacking with Trump on her, you know, and then he goes and he snuggles up to the guy he's calling a communist. But he's putting down this woman who's, you know, basically she is a republic. She's not a rhino. I don't think she's a rhino at all. Well, but you see, rhino is getting described really well.

I guess if you're a real Republican now, you just do everything Trump wants and you don't question anything. Yeah, yeah, for my dead buddy. Well, no, but that's what I'm getting at, though. And what is concerned me, and this is the part that concerns me, that there is no room for any difference of opinion on the right. And the few people of conscience in the Republican Party at this point seem to have been targeted for removal or primarying by the Trump administration. And so I don't know if that necessarily is healthy for the Republican Party over time to go after Rand Paul, to go after Massey, to go after the Marjorie Taylor Greens or Marjorie Trader Green is how, you know, how it was referred to. I know. That's just bad. That's really bad.

But see, the point of me bringing this up is for quite some time, I have not felt good about Donald Trump. You know, I never felt great about him, but he's been more. more than disappointing, you know, so many things right now. And all these feels, oh, but he's done some good things. Well, some good things don't make it okay to do some bad things, you know. But every presidency is a mixed bag, though. Well, I know, and so in every president, you know, you have your opinion about how they behave. And I don't think he's behaving well.

And I also think that, you know, his attitude and his craftness and stuff, I mean, when you're president of the United States, when you're the head of any nation, you're supposed to behave with some dignity. You know what I mean? I don't think Trump knows how to do that. I don't... He's crap and he's rude and he's... I don't know, though.

You know, and I will be the first to admit that there are times that the crassness gets to me, too. But is there a possibility that he's just representing where the culture really finds itself? And I'm going to give you an example. Okay. In other words, the problem may be you or me or other people that are concerned about it. The reason I bring it up, we're in a land now right now, which I can go on a Facebook feed. And, you know, it's a time in which, you know, they have those gender reveals.

You'll see those gender reveals. They'll blow something up and it's pink and it's pink or it's blue or what. whatever it is. And no, this is what the baby is going to be. I can't tell you how many grandmothers that I have heard saying something to the equivalent of, oh, my F word, God. Oh, my, F, God. Oh, my, OMG, OMFG, OMFG. And they're open about it. Grandmothers, grandpas, grandmas, and they're open about it and they're talking this way in front of a camera and it's being posted by their relatives oh look at how exciting this is it's kind of like the demure and the polite it just seems to have disappeared from a lot of our culture and i am not i'm not excusing the

president but i'm talking about it seems to be meeting the people where they are right now for good or for not so good well i have i have a comment to make in regards to the craftness of the language, the use of language, how it, you know, public in the public at this point in time, because, you know, I think movies have, have a lot to do with that. Could be. Could be. You know, because it's just totally, it's no big deal, you know, cuss and swear all you want in the movies because it's, you know, it's for the, you know, the effect of the film or whatever.

And, I mean, I cuss, I swear, you know, I use colorful language. I try not to do it in certain places, but there are other times when I feel. it's my, it's okay. Yeah, there's been a total collapse of decorum in the public, though, in the body policy. I try to be respectful of, you know, where I'm at. You know, I can sit and talk to my friends and, you know, use F word to describe this, that, and the other thing, and it's not a big deal, but when I'm in public or at a, you know, customer service or, you know, things like that, even though they're making me crazy,

I don't, I'm, I'm cool with it, you know, I don't. Okay, boomer. I'm teasing you, okay. All right, point well taken. So I just try to look past that right now because it just feels like, oh, gosh, this is kind of where we are right now. I'm not happy about it. But that's just... I'm not president in the United States.

Now, if I were, everything would be really cool. Oh, yeah, indeed. All right. Well, thank you, Hickby Chick, or former hippie chick. 770K.M.E.D. All right. Good morning. This is Bill.

Who's this? Welcome. Hi, Bill. This is the horse lady. Hi, horse lady. How you doing, Ann? I'm doing fine. I called because everybody seems to have missed that Trump owns Mom Donnie.

Oh, I would agree with you. I would mention that last hour. Let me play a little bit of that. This is the part that just made me smile. Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist? I've spoken about... That's okay. You can just say that.

Okay. It's easier. It's easier than explaining it. I just laughed out loud when I saw that because I started kind of turning around a little bit thinking like, okay, maybe this is an example of the 4D chess, fourth dimensional chess playing that kind of thing. You know what I saw? What? I don't know if you remember, but when Obama used to stand up and be just standing. When something was going on, he always had his hands in a certain position.

And Mom Doni did the same thing. He was protecting his mailness. Oh. Oh, really? Yeah, because I only heard the audio from it. I didn't actually see the video. I'll have to go take a look, okay? Mom Donnie got eaten.

So he was playing pool, in other words. Oh, boy. All right. It was very interesting. I watched all the clips. I didn't watch the speech, but I watched the clips. Yeah. I watched a, in fact, I saw a funny, a funny animal video regarding Trump and Mom Dani.

They had like a little chihuahua that was sitting there and yapping at, and that was Mom Dani, yapping at Trump. It was just a huge dog, going, bach, bach, bach, just arguing. and then the sliding glass door opened. So there was a door or a window separating the chihuahua from the big dog, right? And then when the door opened, in other words, once they were together. But of course, the other thing you have to remember, though, is that Trump is for all his issues there, he's a charming guy.

And it's really hard to be spitting at somebody who is, that charming. And given the fact that the Democrats, apparently, are now talking about how upset they are that Domini went to meet him, maybe he does own him. We'll see. Oh, it was wonderful. Yeah, because he went to go see Hitler, right? You go to see Hitler, right? You don't want to go see Hitler. You just want to yell about Hitler. Well, he's, he, Trump has, he is so smart. People don't realize how smart he is. Well, the other thing is that he knows and understands people. I think he's always best when he is, you know, in the room with them. I think that's really what it goes now. Now, sometimes, though, he does subject himself to flattery sometimes. And if you flatter him the best,

he'll like you the most when you leave. That's a very good person, you know? That's right. But Mom Donnie was when he was talking to Trump and they had the cameras on a he was scared. He backed off. He may think he's a big dog, but he's really just a joawa. Yeah, indeed. Appreciate the call, Ann. Thanks for that.

734 and change. KMED. We'll catch up on the rest of the news. We're going to shift over to that CDC thing, the Oregon Health Authority saying, no evidence that vaccine ever causes autism, ever, ever, ever, ever. All right. But we'll talk about that CDC thing with Dr. Jane Orient, M.D. Dusties, your trust...

Donate and help the Marines deliver hope to a child in need. Hi, I'm Steve Potter, Body Shop Manager of Lithia Body and Paint, and I'm on 106.7, KMED. Dr. Jane, Orient M.D is the executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, aapsonline.org. Doctor, great to have you back on, as always. Good morning. Good morning. I was astounded last week when the CDC ended up putting out that big,

report those changes on the website about vaccine and autism link. And I was wondering if you could explain maybe in regular people talk what the CDC actually said and what this means moving forward. Now, I know that RFK Jr., of course, made it clear that he was going to follow the evidence and try to get down to the bottom of what is the real cause of autism. There is some other stuff. It's not just all vaccines. He wasn't going after that. But help us understand what happened and where we go? As far as I know, this is an unprecedented move by the CDC to admit that it might have made a mistake, I mean a really huge mistake in stating as dogma that vaccines do not cause autism and now admitting that that's not an evidence-based statement. You can't prove the vaccines

do cause autism, although there have been a lot of studies suggesting a strong possibility. But the CDC has been adamantly denying this possibility, and the medical establishment is going nuts because this religious dogma is being challenged, and everyone is indoctrinated in a medical school to say that vaccines are the foundation, the bedrock of public health, that if we stop forcing people to get all these vaccines, we're going to be inundated with children dying of preventable disease. like measles and chicken pox. And so they're trying to replace the CDC, which is supposed to be the authority, by their own committees saying, yes, we do have to have all of these mandatory vaccines. All right. Now, to your point there, Dr. I know they're getting a big news release late on Friday.

The West Coast Health Alliance, this is the West Coast states that have more or less banded together in reaction to RFK Jr.'s talk, okay, and where he wants to take. the West Coast Health Alliance stands with scientific evidence. Vaccines are not limited, or not linked, rather, vaccines are not linked to autism. And so they continue to strongly recommend vaccines to protect our children, noting that rigorous research of millions of people in multiple countries over decades provides high-quality evidence that vaccines are not linked to autism.

So you have the CDC now saying that, it is not an evidence-based statement then. They're claiming on the West Coast Alliance that vaccines are not linked to autism. CDC is claiming that this is not evidence-based. What evidence do we have that it's not evidence-based? I was wondering if you could take us down that rabbit hole a little bit. Well, a lot of the studies that they claim disprove the link to autism have been seriously questioned.

The most important ones come from Denmark. There are a lot of criticism of those studies dating back decades. There is a huge amount of firsthand observational data from parents who have watched their normal, healthy children regress soon after getting vaccines. So the children become uncommunicative. They do things like banging their heads. They lose their language skills. They lose their physical motor skills.

they have been developing in conjunction with the vaccines. Well, okay, that is just a correlation, you say. But, you know, if I give somebody a shot and that person dies or that person has a bad reaction, I worry that possibly it might have been my shot. I don't try to think that, well, it might have been Tylenol, or it might have been just a pure coincidence, or it might have been something else, you know, maybe outdoor air pollution or maybe he inhaled some microplastics.

Sure. Because it happened right after I gave him a shot, doesn't mean that my shot had anything to do with it. Well, there was certainly the medical industry would tend to approach this from, no matter what happened, it was never the vaccine. I don't believe that the CDC press release over the weekend said that it's always the vaccine either, right? It's not saying that, correct? No, no, it's not saying that vaccines have been proven to cause autism,

but it certainly seems to be a risk factor, and when they do studies about looking for other risk factors, they do not treat vaccines as a confounding variable. They may ask about the child's race or sex or age, but they don't ask whether he's been vaccinated or not, and now we have a few studies. It should have been a long time ago, officially of children who are vaccinated versus children who are not vaccinated, and the

unvaccinated children are healthier in a lot of ways. You know, less asthma, less eczema, less food allergies, less neurodevelopmental disorders, less autism, less ADHD. But yet, one doctor in Oregon lost his license almost immediately after he published a study showing evidence of this of his own practice. I mean, this is like a religious dogma. You are a heretic. You need to be burned at the stake or today's equivalent.

Why is it that the vaccine industry or the vaccine is equivalent of good health? Giving vaccines means good health. Why is that such a dogma? Is there a root cause of that? Something that is in the doctor's milk, I mean, mother's milk right from the beginning or something different? Well, doctors certainly taught that in medical school, and you have to wonder if it has a financial basis, like so many other things do, that the vaccine industry is very profitable. It's profitable for doctors, too. They may not get paid much for giving the vaccine, but if they belong to a big group or something or an insurance or dependent on insurance, they may lose a huge bonus at the end of the year if the the majority of their patients are not fully vaccinated.

Well, on the news release, on the press release last week from the CDC, the statement that vaccines don't cause autism has historically, you say, been put out by the CDC in order to prevent vaccine hesitancy. That was at least the reason that they gave for this statement. Yeah, that's the reason they gave. They don't want people to be questioning this dogma. In fact, they still have to say on the CDC website that vaccines do not cause autism with a big asterisk after, which is really remarkable, the asterisk says that they had to promise a senator, which is Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, that they would not remove the statement from their website if Kennedy got confirmed as Secretary of HHS. Oh, all right. Now, what I'm astounded, though, most, though, is that the West Coast Health Alliance, these group of doctors like Oregon Health Authority and all the rest of it, they're saying scientific evidence, vaccines are not linked to autism, while at the same time isn't the white page or white paper insert on most or if not, or at least many of the vaccines describing autism as a side effect observed during the vaccine tests? Am I right or wrong about that, that assumption? I've never looked at these.

might say encephalopathy, which is an inflammation of the brain, which may delay normal development of the brain, which may lead to autism. And actually, children have been compensated for vaccine injury. If they go to vaccine court saying they are brain damage from encephalopathy, they might get some award that will help their parents care for them. But if they say that the child got autism from the vaccine, forget it. Oh, so they kind of rename it. They rename the trigger rather than the actual underlying cause.

Is that kind of what I'm getting out? You have to kind of leave out the word autism from your claim to the vaccine injury court if you want to have some hope of compensation for the huge medical expenses you're going to have in caring for that damaged child. You end up switching it then to brain inflammation rather than autism. You say autism, nothing happens. brain inflammation, you get a payoff. Got it. You might get a payoff for brain inflammation.

People have. But for autism, you will not. All right. Now, the McCullough Foundation ended up getting a review of autism. What happened with them? What did they come up with saying? Well, that I came up with saying that there's plenty of evidence that there is a possibility that vaccines cause autism.

There's certainly a strong correlation between the two. And, I mean, really doesn't make any sense to say, we have no idea what causes autism, but we know that it's not vaccines. That's usually the medical dogma that you hear from the doctor. Yes. Okay. All right. Is this something that you think will wake up the medical establishment to at least be open that, yes, vaccines can cause autism, not every vaccine, not every time, not with every person, but yet that is a risk. Is this going to wake up the medical establishment, as you see it here, doctor?

Well, they're certainly fighting against it, and I think because they rely on so much revenue from pharmaceutical industry, but it's certainly going to wake up a lot of parents. Maybe that's the real concern. They're concerned that more parents will start looking elsewhere, huh? Well, I think so. And the parents will be asking, well, why do I need to have all of these vaccines all at once when the child is so young? They might get this new book published by the Physicians for Informed Consent called Vaccines and the Diseases they target, which is becoming a bestseller on Amazon, where they actually look at the diseases and how terrible the diseases and what the risk of the disease is and compare it with the risk of vaccines so that you can make a risk, risk assessment, and you can decide which risk you want to take, which will depend on the individual. It might depend on whether there's an outbreak of measles, in your area, or whether measles hasn't been seen there for decades.

But you can decide which risk you want to subject your child to. And we would do that for any kind of medication, but the vaccines and the vaccine schedule has had a strong, well, you're not supposed to ask any questions, just go get it, right? Right, they have a very privileged status. They're not like any other medical intervention. All medical interventions are known to have side effects, some of them really bad, like death, and all of them are known to be only partly effective. Now, there are vaccines.

I've had vaccines, too. In fact, I've taken vaccines in the last year or two for certain things, right? But are there any diseases that you're aware of a doctor in which the risk of the vaccine is less than perhaps the risk of the disease? I mean, those are kind of the risk versus reward thing. Is there a way to maybe judge them or grade the different vaccines? Well, I think that book, The Vaccine and the Diseases They Treat looks deeply into the literature about that. I would say for rabies or for tetanus, you can make that argument, but most of the diseases that the children get vaccines for are mild. They are treated, often with antibiotics.

And you have a real problem, I think, if you look at the numbers. What about polio, you know? to be mandated to get the vaccine. Yeah, what about the risk of the polio vaccine is contrasting with polio? Well, most cases of polio, paralytic polio in the world today are because of vaccines, vaccine programs. And there's a long story about polio that is really not such an awful disease as it was made out to be that the vaccines themselves cause polio, some of them cause worse things, some of them

were contaminated with carcinogenic viruses. And so... Oh, is that the monkey mutation, the mutated virus? I don't, I remember something reading about it, but yet I would read all these stories about people that, you know, in the iron lung, and I would see the historical accounts of this, and when polio vaccine came out, boy, people lined up by droves, by the droves, you know, for that doctor. We were, too, I mean, it was a real horror story.

But the fact is that most people who get polio don't have any symptoms or they have mild symptoms and they get well. Only a small percentage of them got respiratory paralysis and were in. You had to be in a respirator. The iron lung is what they had at that time. A lot of those got better too. But today you can end up in the equivalent of an iron lung from Giondorae syndrome, which you can get from getting the flu vaccine or from many other vaccines. All right, Dr. Jane Orient M.D. with me once again, and she is with the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, APSOnline.org. She's the executive director there. And let's grab a call or two here, doctor, see if people have a question that might work for us. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, this is Guido. Hi, Guido. What do you want to ask a doctor about? Hmm?

Well, I'll be 70 years old here in December. When I was a kid, we all got the shots, polio, you know, the whole nine yards. And we didn't have problems. We didn't have a rise in these diseases and side effects. It seems to me that the pharmacy people have changed the formula. And we started having more and more of these issues, it seems, to come forward, and I never got sick. I don't get sick.

I don't get sick. I don't get the flu or pneumonia. So are you posing the question, did they change the vaccines over time? Is that what you're asking? Yes. Yeah. Doctor, do you know, to Guido's question, right? There are more and more of them instead of, you know, half a dozen that children got in the past.

They now may get 70 different injections before they get to school. And so the load of vaccines is certainly greater than it used to be. So is that the overall concern? We weren't always honest about the side effects either. So the concern then from the CDC and others might be then it's about the vaccine load. That's the term you're bringing for it. That's what it is. Well, I mean, if one vaccine has a certain risk and you multiply it by 70, it's more likely

that you're going to have a problem. It's not just a vaccine load. I mean, a lot of the original concern came about from the DPT vaccine. The children were getting brain damage from the protestus vaccine, and that's why we had this vaccine Injury Act that gave protection from liability because companies were saying, we're getting sued so much for this brain damage that we're going to quit making vaccines if you don't protect us. Yeah, and then Congress.

We can't have for anything else. Yeah, and Congress can't, and Congress obliged at that point. That's what we've been living with ever since. So I went to school, I first got into the school, 1967. How many injections did I get back in those days? I don't remember very many, but I don't know. My memory as a kid may be off. Do you know, roughly speaking, what we got back then?

Well, maybe half a dozen. Most people were getting smallpox vaccine back then, and they were getting the tetis diphtheria pertussis vaccine, and maybe that was it. Hmm. I don't remember measles. I think measles came out in the early 1960s, but I don't know if I got a measles vaccine because I ended up.

I think maybe in 1980s they became more common. Okay, that could be. It could be what I'm just kind of curious. Because I don't remember many times. There were a couple of times we lined up at the, you know, with the school nurse, that kind of thing. Hi, good morning. When we got the polio vaccine, kids were lining up for that.

Yeah, I remember I got that too, for sure. Sure. Now, is that the one that had the scab on your arm, or was that a different one? I'm a smallpox. Smallpox. Okay, that's what that was, yeah. Anyway, hello, caller. You're on with Dr. Jane, OrientemD. Good morning. Hey, I just want to say again how much I appreciate you're having the doctor on. And thanks for coming on doctor. It seems like it's pretty impossible to actually just talk to a doctor unless they're a friend of yours anymore without paying $500. Curious about your, I've got a couple 25-year-old daughters that I've always, we've always been concerned about the, we've never done HPV, but of course you hear all the horror, I don't know, what do you think about HPV?

Oh, the human papillomavirus, right, for cervical cancer? Yeah, lost a cousin to uterine cancer. So it's always made me think, you know, am I really killing my daughters? By not doing it, you know. But they have... I think HPV is one of the most dangerous vaccines, but there is, it may not prevent cervical cancer, it may enhance it. Certainly getting routine pap smears was a very good thing

that prevented people from getting progressive cervical cancer. I think it's unnecessary, but there have been really, really serious side effects of normal, healthy athletic girls being reduced to wheelchairs or just having their lives destroyed by having this vaccine, which is a very questionable benefit. All right. Caller, I appreciate that.

There's your answer, at least opinion from Dr. Orient. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? You're on with Dr. Orient. Hi, this is Kathy. Hi, Kathy. Morning.

Hi. I lost my, I'm hoping. I'm not going to cry. It is so nice for me to hear that. Okay, that's not the right word. Anyway, I have been fighting this since 1986 when I lost my first baby to the BPT shot. And it was attributed to sleep apnea, but thank goodness the coroner in Honolulu was actually had cancer and was leaving the field. and so he had the courage to question that,

and it was the fatal viral encephalitis from the D.P.T. shot. And, of course, I was the same year. You know, they said we couldn't sue, and I'm sure there's some kind of a statute of limitations. But thank you, Dr. Orient, for sticking up for us, because people just thought I was nuts when I said it was the vaccination and I've been fighting this forever and to all the parents who don't want to get their child vaccinated

you can do it it's just you have to jump through a bunch of hoops you have to find the right doctor and my kids are all happy, healthy no brain damage well except for Jennifer of course and of course they're still vaccinating their grandchildren but you know how kids are So I just wanted to say thank you.

I appreciate you so much. Thank you for the call. My goodness. The doctors have been so cruel to parents who have lost their children, and they want to deny that the vaccine had anything to do with it. I think they're beginning to acknowledge that the sudden infant death syndrome might not be from putting your children on their tummy to sleep. It might be they just coincidentally all happened very shortly after. after some a well-babies that really got a lot of vaccines. So I think a lot of tragedies of this kind are the responsibility of physicians.

And it is just really horrible. And I believe that now it's beginning to be acknowledged. Is this perhaps another reason such groups like the West Coast Health Alliance are coming out and saying, hey, vaccines are not linked to autism because there's too much at risk even. Of course, I don't know. Is there something at risk liability-wise over time to continue? Well, there's a lot of protection for the vaccine manufacturers, but I'm wondering, and this is beginning to be tested in court,

what about the liability for the physician who does not get informed consent or who denies that there's any risk at all? And he gives the shot, is he responsible for the bad outcomes? They can't blame the manufacturer, but could they blame the doctor? I think doctors may be really worried about that. Yeah, possibly. Latest Health Watch from Dr. Jane Orient MD, CDC at its website on vaccines and autism. I'm going to post that along with that chart that you put out there too, doctor.

And keep us in the room on this because this is a big deal. And you're right, it's a detectable panic from the medical establishment. Fair enough. I mean, that's really what we're seeing right now in reaction. That's what it looks like to me. All right. Doctor, thank you so much. Be well.

Thank you. Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, AAPSonline.org. You can read up on what Dr. Jane and I have been talking about, and I will put it up a little bit later this morning on KMED.com. This is KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Metford, KBXG, Grants Pass. Need a roof that perform.