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Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Dr. Powers with todays Where Past Meets Present, profile of the SOU female wrestling team. Great story, Lawfare report, D62 quiz and more.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Eight minutes after 810, Dr. Dennis Powers will rejoin the program here. We'll talk about a little local history. Get into the Lawfare, Lawfare, Lawfare, Lawfare Report. I'm not that there's ever any lawfare when it involves the Trump administration, right? Steve's here. Hey, Steve, you wanted to talk about that Daily Courier story

on the, what was it? The nickel mine. Okay, I was going to say chromium, but no, it's something else. Different one, but still pretty interesting stuff. What are you saying, huh? Well, a little history. I went to work for D.R. Johnson Lumber Company in 1996, and a few miles up the road, there was a nickel wine and a smelter.

And eventually the DEQ made him close the smelter, but they continued to haul the ore to some. somewhere in Australia to be broken down into the oar. So it's pretty, there's a lot of it around. They knocked 300 feet off the top of a mountain while they were doing that. But, you know, all the forces of government put them out of business. Yeah. So we then say that we are morally superior to not smelt it here, so we let them destroy the environment over in Australia. Is that kind of our Yeah, and it seemed a little strange to haul that ore all the way to Australia, but that's kind of a point to the value of nickel.

And I know that nickel is used in things like wire rope and saw steel, and, you know, it adds flexibility to steel. I didn't know that. I didn't understand that was what it was. Now, chromium, of course, we got a lot of chromium in our soil, too, don't we? I don't know about that. Chromium is very hard and it's corrosion resistant, and it's usually not too much involved in steel, I don't think, because it's brittle. Now, it could be used in hard-facing, but I don't know that it's a, but nickel and valedium are two metals that are important in the production of things like wild wire. rope. Yeah. Now, let me ask you, though, ultimately, though, is this something that is

to be feared, you know, to have these deposits being mined out in the cave junction area? Well, it depends on whether your brain is short-circuited or not. You know, if you just have to say, if you're going to ban it from being mined and produced, then you can't use it. So that's how my old brain works. All right. Fair enough, Steve. the call. Dr. Powers joins me here just a couple of minutes. Always looking forward to this. Now then, we're in open enrollment right now in Medicare.

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Good to have you on. Always the pleasure, my friend. We're going to talk a little bit of history here first, where Pass meets presence, and then into the Lawfare report. There's no lawfare going on, though, worthy of reporting, right? Right? Nothing going on at all? It's unbelievable. Oh, in other words, there is? Oh, there is. Okay.

You know, one day I'm expecting you to say, you know, gosh, there's just, you know, no legal attacks going on anywhere in the swamp. So everyone's just all happy. We're holding hands and just agreeing that the Epstein files, there's nothing to see here, move along. Okay. Yeah, the far left swamp is silent. Never. Hey, last week we were talking, it was Bob Rime. We talked Bob Rhyme last week, right? Yeah, we did. It was having to do with Bob Ream and Mike Reed. Yeah, no problems at all. And I knew Bob, as a number of your listeners did, and he was really quite the person.

But what really stands out is not only the wrestling team for the way the men were doing it, but also women's wrestling, which had world-class athletes. Huge standout program at SOU. It's worthy of mentioning SOU as women's wrestling. sure you bet yeah and women's softball is one where they won three national champions the last five years we've gone into those but i what really stands out though is that because of these two uh where going back about 10 years ago mike ritchie uh you know spent a weekend with president roy seago working out the sports program for different uh the teams and uh that's where women's wrestling started. Richie then oversawed the very new women's wrestling program for three years from 2017

Bill to 2019. Bob Ream then, when he passed away, left a $3 million donation, which guaranteed that you'd have the income to come in to hire very good coaches in wrestling. And they've done pretty well with that endowment. I guess, huh? Oh, I was there at the time, and 3 million was the largest donation to SOU that came in that was in 2022. But then when you look at what was going on, on the women's side, you had, in 2020, you had one wrestler whose name came in, and I was watching Siena Ramirez, but you She was a world-class wrestler at tiny SOU, 5,000 students.

You know, Ohio State is, what, 65,000? All these major, major, major universities. And Sienna won different awards, including was the U.S. Open for all universities champ. She was second in the world in 2024. This is a world-class athlete. And she's now, you know, wrestling for the U.S. Army team. And she won the women's small college athlete in the year. And the person that she lost to in 2020 was Tamara Mensa Stock who won the Olympic medal at the 2020 Olympics.

So these are really, really first-class world wrestling scholar athletes, if you will. And then, meanwhile, the SOU Women's Wrestling Team was undefeated, winning its first national duels champion, overall national team championship, underneath coach Joe Gibson. And so in any event, you had another wrestler that is really now is not as more heralded that she was before, but it was Carolina Marino. and she had a total undefeated season, and she, as a matter of fact, was a women's small college athlete of the year. She was also helped the women's team to come in the third place last year, and this year she is a coach on the women's SOU team. Oh, okay.

And she just beat the number two ranked NCAA one. So what we're talking about is world-class athletes in this tiny little SOU, and the media has just been, they're just... Nothing to see here, I guess. Yeah, interesting. Now, with Carolina Marino, so she is assistant coach, right? She's an assistant women's wrestling coach, but she's still wrestling, too, right? She's doing both, right?

Yes, she is, and she's at the national freestyle level, and she's, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, There's a women's coach now, Caitlin Monroe, who is an All-American for Camasville, which has always been a very good women's team. But the key thing is that the women's wrestling team is placed, is picked for second in the coach's preseason CCC. But what we're seeing here is, is the, so you ask, how do you do this? because you had men's wrestling coaches who believed so much in the sport of wrestling and really stood out in the country. And so they were able to attract fine athlete scholars here. And then they actually were brought about Bill the women's wrestling program, which has been very, very successful because of their network that they used when they were coaching the women's wrestling program. team. So a successful male team ended up leading then to the ability for a successful female

team. And also their motivation, because they believe so much in the sport and they saw that it was in the Olympics. So notwithstanding the underreporting of this, men want women in sports. Sorry, Salem. Okay. That's right. Yeah, you don't want a dude pretending to be a woman in women's wrestling, right? You just don't... Oh, and you like this, too. There are separate dressing rooms. Even in Ashland, they're still doing separate dressing rooms in Ashland? You're kidding me. Well, in sports, my friend, especially, you know, given the fact that in wrestling, in sports, when I've run into and seeing throughout town, such as when I will do some shopping for Judy at Safeway, I'll see a trans athlete and I'll kind of look and then look around and look away and say,

no, that dude's not going to make it to any women's wrestling dressing room. Yeah, one can only help. All right, Dr. Well, we'll put that up today on the SOU women's wrestling team here. Boy, we should be talking about a lot of things, including politics, the lawfare, with redistricting. Why don't we cover that here in just a minute, okay? Let's do that. Sounds good.

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That's my error. My era. Dr. Power is, if we're past meets present. Hey, what are they catch up on the basic law fear? It's going on here, Doctor. and we're going to have the Texas redistricting case that is going to be dropping, well, finding itself at the U.S. Supreme Court. What should we be expecting to happen with this?

Because this is the one that kind of got the redistricting fever started. You know, Texas did it. And this is essentially to get rid of some Democratic seats and have a few more Republican ones. And then you had California with any twosome-newsum doing his deal, and the voters ended up saying, yeah, yeah, well, yeah, we'd like to do a redistricting too. and they want to kill the Republican seats and get more Democrat seats.

So what do you think in where this is going? My friend, this is really a very big deal, of course, because you have, depending on the redistricting, numbers of seats that will be available or unavailable to either parties. The basic law is, was race the prominent factor. This is unfortunate. So you can just, you can redistrict all you want, but if you're using anything involving race, ethnicity to decide it, then you're a bad boy or girl, right? By doing that.

Well, the initial lawsuits and court decisions were saying that districts must have roughly the same proportion of minorities to majority. And then they came up that a 10% deviation was okay. Then they've come up with it, and this is the Supreme Court protecting minority districts. And the key thing here is on the Voting Rights Act, which is over 60 years ago in Section 2. And that particular one just says that no voting maps which would dilute. the voting power of minorities would be valid. And so you then have the problem, like you look into California, that what they've already done

is that only nine of 52 seats, like 15% are in Republican hands, and yet 40% of the population voted for Trump. And the big problem here... But they're all spread out, though, among the state. Right? Except what we're coming into is that the cases before the Supreme Court now is Louisiana. And whatever happens there, because they've already had the oral arguments on that, is that Louisiana first came up with a redistricting.

We're only talking about a couple of seats. And there, the Supreme Court held the Voting Rights Act prohibited that. So then the legislature came back, my friend, with another redistricting. And then that particular one, which gave another seat to the Democrats, was attacked by the Republicans saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, you've disenfranchised Caucasian voters. Now, what's happening... Well, you're allowed to disenfranchise.

disenfranchised Caucasian voters. We know that. Because, you know, everybody hates Whitey. We know that. I'm teasing. You know, especially with the disappointing and disgusting far-left judges who are voting in step with the far-left. Yeah. But the thing is, though, all right, so we already had, they already had the decision or just oral arguments in the Louisiana case?

It's gone up a second time. Oh. To, on Louisiana, and at the same time, you're having these redistricting cases coming in, you know, having to do with California, Texas, there's another, there's a number of other ones. Yeah, but yet, isn't it obvious, isn't it obvious, though, that it's just pure partisan politics driving all of these? I mean, Republicans in Texas, Democrats in California, I mean, all, you know, all the rest of it was, was their vote, was their map bad and faulty? prior to this? Well, you see, it's an old thing I learned decades ago, which is called Give the Judge something to hang his or her hat on.

And so, of course, the Democrats who are far left that are sweeping in, let's say, on Texas, were able to find a federal court that was very sympathetic and said, look at the fact that these minorities, and of course you cook up the facts that minorities are being disenfranchised. Well, whatever, are they trying to say that Hispanics are being disenfranchised? They're hardly a minority in Texas, are they? Oh, absolutely. If it's non-Cocasian, that's disenfranchising.

Oh, okay. You see, the problem, my friend, is the fact that these judges are so disappointing to me legally because they're putting far-left politics in this civil war over their duty in administrating what the Constitution provides, and even factually, there are some squishy cases where you wonder, how in the heck are they coming up with this argument that minorities, how you define it, is now being defranchised. Well, what about political minorities? Let's take a look at California, because obviously what they're trying to do with that,

is to make sure that, you know, someone who lives in Siskue County is really being outvoted by a San Francisco Bay Area voter. And, you know, these two have nothing in common. I mean, is that worse than what they were trying to do in Texas or what? And you see, the thing is that the arguments are uniform depending on whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. Does it just matter which shall judge you're going up in front of? Is that really?

Absolutely. And the judge is 95% appointed by Biden and Obama are just. following the Soros lead, and it's very disappointing to anyone that's an attorney. If you were a betting man, though, how do you believe the Supreme Court, you know, looking at precedent and in the history of the court, how will they approach these cases? Which ones do you think are weakest and most likely in danger of being killed or overturned or stayed? Well, historically, the Supreme Court and the federal court session would rather not get involved in these political disputes.

I mean, they would really, this gerrymandering. They'd just assumed to stay away from it. But they've been thrown into it because this is a key election year that's coming up. And if I was a betting person, I would say that Louisiana would be one that would more likely be upheld by the Supreme Court in terms of more the way it was before. In other words, you wouldn't have, they would uphold the Caucasian white minority saying we're being disfranchised. Now, when you come to California, it's going to be a different argument, and that is where Kavanaugh is the key, because Kavanaugh has been going back and forth at times in this particular one. I think California has the best case on being overruled in terms of using the Voting Rights Act because of the fact that they, you know, already had an injunction going in that was slapped away as happened in Texas.

Because these district courts, my friend, these district court judges, despite what the Supreme Court is saying, are totally out of control. Why? Well, two-thirds of all district court judges are in the hands of Obama and Biden-appointed judges. Now, can the Supreme Court essentially rein these people in, though? Rain these judges that predictably will always put their thumb on the scale. And that's the reason why you have the far-left attacking the Supreme Court as being pro-Trump. Oh, they just want to weaken. They just want to weaken that thing. And that's the whole thing that's coming through. Now, I want to point out something.

I didn't know this. I had to really check into it. But Grassley, who is this 91-year-old from Iowa, is a little more liberal than you think. And he's headed this judicial Senate committee. And he is totally on board on using this blue-slip tradition, which means that he's not going along in California. California, or all these other states, without getting the okay of those senators as to whom he's going to pass through his committee. I think he's retiring at 91 years old, but he's so old, it'd be nice if he would follow

Schumer and start trying to look at the overall far right rather than looking at the far left with this blue-slip tradition. All right, very well. Disappointed. Okay, Doc. Let me grab a quick call here. if they had a question for you. Dr. Powers, hi. Good morning. Who's this?

Welcome. Good morning. It's deplorable Patrick, and thank you guys for being there. And I have a question about these loony activist judges and political judges, obviously. And it has appeared to me, and I might be wrong. It has appeared to me as if some of these cases, like, for instance, one idiot judge that ordered this plane to turn around. It was out over the ocean. He has no jurisdiction. That would be an instance that I would ask this question. Do these judges get away with just finding an issue and then issuing a court order or judgment? I thought somebody

had to bring the case. Do these judges just go out and find their own cases? That's an interesting question. I hadn't really considered that. Doc, could you pick it up? Yeah, Patrick, these are good issues that are coming up because the one you're talking about is this, Bozberg, who is, they're looking at an impeachment of Bozberg. Why? Not just because of this contempt court in terms of a plane that he ordered after he's in the air to turn back to the United States, it's also the fact that he issued some 170 subpoenas for Republican senators and congressmen on the Arctic Frost investigation to tap their phone lines from at Verizon, which just went ahead and caved, but a couple of others didn't. And so this is such

an abuse of process, 170 approximate subpoenas against sitting congressmen and congress senators. Now, what the far left has done with Soros is, first of all, he put in the money to get these judges in because he surreemptously went in and got money in for these judges that in some places are running for office. And then they go ahead and they judge shop. And so you can depending on some complicated legal areas, venue versus jurisdiction and all these other types. Yeah, but did the judges drive it themselves, or is the case brought? I'm trying to, you know, drill to that, if we could. The cases are brought in by the aggrieved party, and they judge-shop, and others, you can

bring in your lawsuit to different places, depending on how you argue, and now we have these far-left judges appointed by Biden and Obama. and this, this correlation works 95% when you look into it. They will go with the Democrat position. So you get it into a friendly court, and they throw in an injunction, and you're just trying to hold Trump and make him a second term so that you can then take over the country once you get him out of office. Hopefully, it will be by the fact that he makes it in the 2028 instead of some of the other stuff they're doing.

All right. Hey, I appreciate the question there. Yeah, I do, too. Doc, and so in other words, it's a combination. It's, too. It has to be brought, but the judge shopping makes it very, a very friendly process is what you're saying overall. Oh, it's, it's forum shopping. All right, very good.

By the aggrieved party, and it's done all the time, and that's why you're seeing all these types of lower court, district court judges, federal court judges, that are ruling for Soros. All right. Very good. Doc, that's very bad, but very good for the explanation, okay? Thank you for that. All right, Doc, anything for Thanksgiving week special going on with you and Judy, or are you just going to keep it quiet? What are you doing, huh? Oh, I love, you know, talking about, you know, the jump off to, you know, as you call so well, palate cleansers. We're going to have, instead of the traditional turkey, we're planning to have guinea heads. guinea which are smaller they are very delicious uh with a certain type of uh stuffing which is going to be more of a chicken stuffing mashed potatoes the works some friends uh and and and to enjoy it uh which is great and normally my friend i don't go ahead and you know throw on the the football games so

how about yourself what are you doing pretty much the same thing i'm not they'd be a football game person, but God bless those that are into it. But for me, it's going to be more tradition, and mom will be coming over. And so she will have, hopefully, she's going in for her cataracts this afternoon. I'll be taking her into the eye center and getting one of them popped out. And so she might be able to see the turkey, which would be a nice change. We're looking forward to that, okay? You know, I've been finding out from friends of mine who went in for cornea transplant, you know, any operation is something that you're concerned about, but this is a simplified type of procedure that typically does not have complications. We'll certainly

wish you well on that. Yep, I'll tell you more tomorrow, okay? All right, but anyway, we'll talk next Monday about it, okay? Thanks, Doc. Okay, have a great one, and take care. Be well and eat well, too, for that matter, okay? Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law at Southern Oregon University. Now then, since we were talking about food, let me give you a shot at the Diner 62 Real American Quiz. Got a great question about a fine American singer here in just a moment, a little bit of history going on, okay? 7705-633-770 KMED. By the way, Diner 62, with all these holiday specials like we've talked about, they brought me over a fajita steak salad. Fahita steak salad on Friday.

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The Bill Myers Show is on. News Talk 1063, KMED. Just for me to tomatoes and macahas, potatoes. Give me to see the polite. We're talking about Ella Fitzgerald this morning, who won an amateur night at Harlem's Apollo. It was last Friday, November 21st, 1934. Let's talk with John about that.

John, how are you doing this morning? Morning. Pretty good? Yeah, we're talking about the Niners 62 Real America quiz. So here's the deal. 1934, young teenager, Ella Fitzgerald. Of course, she was a little older then.

It was at Montreau, but she took the stage of Harlem's Apollo Theater to take part in a pretty rough tradition known as amateur night. Did you hear about that, John? What would happen? Sure. Well, I don't know.

Sounds like open mic, kind of. but what would happen is that the crowd at amateur night at the Apollo theater she went there with a couple of her girlfriends her victory at amateur night is a weekly event that was then just a little more than a year old still going on today but it led to her being recognized by chick webb to whose band she was legally paroled by the state of new york while still shy of her 18th birthday it was with webb's band that she scored her career making hit a tisket a tasket in 1938 but The question, though, is that, now, on amateur night, if you were bad or you screwed up, man, they were just brutal with you. It was one of the toughest auditions you could get. Now, what type of performance was Ella Fitzgerald planning on presenting that night when she turned to just singing instead? Singing was the second choice. What was her first choice? Was it A, playing the trumpet?

B, doing a vaudeville act. Was it C, playing her violin? D, playing a piano, or was it E dancing? A, B, C, D, or E? What was Ella Fitzgerald there to do first? What do you say? I'm going to say piano. You're going to say piano.

That's what I would have said, too. No, it wasn't that. Good try, though. Let me go to Logan. Hey, Logan. Morning. Bill. Okay.

Was it trumpet, vaudeville, violin, or dancing? One of those four. What do you say? I didn't even know what vaudeville is. so we'll try that vaudeville no it wasn't vaudeville but good try let me go to dory hello dory how you doing this morning in grants pass oh good morning bill i'm doing well all right now we're down we're down to three now uh elv went there originally to do something different singing was number two what was number one was it trumpet violin or dancing well i think she was probably

transitioning uh into uh dancing you're thinking dancing you're thinking dancing Yeah, it was dancing. And she found herself on stage just by chance. Her name was drawn out of a hat, and she was an aspiring dancer. And so she tried to turn to singing instead. It was a change of heart, was pretty significant. Future course of American music, too, for that matter. And she later said it was a bet.

We just put our names in the hat. We never thought that we'd get a call. Ella did get the call. It hasn't happened. And she went to the stage immediately right after another popular local dance duo. And she saw what they were doing. It's like, oh, my gosh, they were so good. I can't follow them up with dancing.

And so what was she going to do? And so everybody started laughing. And what was she going to do? And I couldn't think of anything else. So I tried to sing the object of my affection. And she was imitating the singer who popularized that song. and the other thing about this story, the first few notes of it were a total disaster. And so they're booing and they're just trying to shout her down because that's what they did at the amateur night.

But then Ralph Cooper, who was the emcee of that, helped Ella gather her wits and she tried it again. Now, on her second try at the song, she brought down the house, she won the contest, and that's how her career in singing started. It was originally going to be dancing. So you were right about that. Quite the saga. Oh, I know. What a story to think that if she had not had someone in front of her, maybe she would have been known as a famous dancer instead,

and then American music certainly would have lost out. That is for sure. So you hang on, and we're going to take care of business and get you set up, and you have won the Diner 62 quiz. We'll have another one of those this week. 541. Real door, and I'm on 106.7 KMED. We've had a lot of serious things to talk about this morning.

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If you have a better dad joke, go to 2Dogsfam.com. You can submit it there. I get them emailed to me and maybe we'll share your dad joke of the day. All right. Dad jokes of the day. Let's talk with Lauren. Lauren, you wanted to talk a bit about Marjorie Taylor Green. She ended up resigning over the weekend.

And it wasn't particularly good. President Trump attacked her. And then she said, well, you know, there's not a lot of love lost between them. He was one of his hugest, biggest, most mega-ish of all-time people early on. What are you thinking about that, huh? Well, that bothered me, for sure, because I never liked to see people publicly fighting, especially to political, the same party and everything. But what I was thinking, I was not walking when you were talking about earlier this morning,

but I was thinking maybe she resigned in early January so they could appoint someone else who would then be an incumbent for the election in the fall. Ah, that's also an interesting way. Now, I know Gateway Pundit put out a story over the weekend that they were claiming that this was because of the, you know, of the pension, you know, the pension vests. Yeah, I had no idea about that. I don't even know how much money those guys make. A lot more than me, I know that much. I think you'd be stupid not to take the pension, though, wouldn't you agree?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you've been there and you earned it and it's there to take. That's why we built. That's why we build pensions is so when we can help them. We're going to work anymore, but I'm still working at 84 and a half, and I still love it because I'm working with kids. Well, me too. Well, the other thing, I think about that. That could be part of it, too, though.

I hadn't considered that. That way you have an appointee, and hopefully an appointee that has a good chance of winning that seat or keeping that seat within the Republican Party. Okay, I get that. That makes sense. Sure. I'm thinking that's all. Have a great Thanksgiving. Hey, you too.

Blessed Thanksgiving, and I'm just so looking forward to it. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, Bill, it's Brad. Yeah, you know, I like Marjorie Taylor Green. You know, she and her husband, their contractors back there in Georgia.

She was, you know, one of Trump's biggest defenders, but she's also smart enough to know that without his support, it's just going to be a bruising, bloody fight, lots of money spent. So she's like, you know what, I'm done, let somebody else pick it up. It's sad. I'm going to be sad to see her go, but I think her decision makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think it does make sense and not surprising. I am concerned, though, that every single voice of conscience that may not necessarily agree with the mainstream of what's happening in republicanism will be washed out. And I don't like to see those kind of things.

It's good to have somebody being able to say, hey, you know, that's great, but think about this before we move in this direction. Well, if we've learned anything over the last six years, we've learned this, Trump is the anvil that will wear out any hammer that beats on it. If we haven't learned anything, if we haven't learned anything else, hopefully we've learned that. And you don't believe it, ask MSNBC. Yeah, you got it. Thank you very much, Brad. Great hearing from you, okay?

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