Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 11-25-25_TUESDAY_8AM

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

An hour of listener calls on the various news and issues on PEBBLE IN YOUR SHOE TUESDAY.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. That's 770 KMED. I'm glad you're here and I'm glad that we're experiencing a pebble in your shoe Tuesday open phone time. We've talked about a lot of serious things and maybe some not-so-serious things like the Bigfoot release from the FBI, freedom of information. All the stuff from the 70s, they kicked it out there. like 25 pages, something like that.

Cool. Anyway, I'll probably have more on that with Greg Roberts tomorrow on the pre-Thanksgiving Outdoor Report. Let's go to the phones. Hi, what's on your mind? Good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Bill, it's Brad.

Happy almost Thanksgiving to you. Indeed. In fact, we're so happy. We're actually thinking about moving Thanksgiving dinner to Saturday in our household. What about you? We're thinking about doing that just because I feel like I'm going to collapse over. over the line. The finish line tomorrow. I don't know if I want to worry about trying to cook it on Thursday. We may celebrate Thursday, but we'll do the dinner Saturday. I don't know. We'll see

what happens. Okay. You know, Bill, I think your problem is that you have scheduling congestion. You're trying to do so much crap all the time. You just got to remember, put the big rocks in the jar first, because if you don't put the big rocks in the jar first, you'll never get them out. You could be right about that. But anyway, what were you call it about, Brad. Go ahead. Yeah, I really, really enjoy your discussion with Mr. Barrett-Shager, former state Senator Barrett Shager.

And one of the things that gets lost in this conversation about state management, you're talking about how, you know, the states doing this, the states doing that, there is an undeclared war on Oregon electricity ratepayers in Oregon that most people don't talk about. And I'm going to talk about it because when I was a kid, believe it or not, we used to pay around two and a half cents per kilowatt, and now we're up, what, somewhere close to 20 cents a kilowatt. Yeah, we're getting very, very close to that. Hey, I even found an old bill for the old KMED AM transmitter from 1989, 1990, something like that. And I think the kilowatt hour total with the, because remember, it's always, the kilowatt hour ends up being doubled.

That's what you end up paying, right? that's for the delivery. And I think it was about four cents a kilowatt hour at that time. Yeah. So it's real. And people don't think about it because, you know, I mean, we, when you go to the gas pump, you see your bill, then you think about it, but you're paying that electricity all the time you don't think about it.

Here's what so many people don't understand that Oregon has done to its ratepayers is when Oregon decommissioned the board, the boardman plant, they took all of that electricity offline and they said, okay, we're going to buy it from other sources, but we're going to bring on this so-called renewable enemy with energy with solar and wind. But people don't know that subsidies, these are subsidies that are eventually paid by the rate bears. On the front end, they come out of this budget fund. And every one of these that comes online, every windmill that comes online, every solar panel that comes online, increases the cost of electricity because the utility has to buy it at whatever cost that that subsidized contractor puts it out there at.

Here's what I would like to know, and maybe you could find it out. Who are all the subsidy owners of all the various systems across the state of Oregon, and how much more than par are the ratepayers of Oregon paying for all this electricity that's being generated by all this subsidized power? And I know this for a fact. many of these subsidy owners aren't even the United States companies. Imagine that. I couldn't answer that one, but that's a good question. I'll try to see if I can poke around a bit, Brad. Thanks for the call. Good one. Let me go to next one. Hi, good morning,

KMED. It's open phones on Pebble in your shoe Tuesday. Got a pebble or something else on your mind? Hello? Hello? Hi. Who's this? Hi. I'm sorry. I didn't hear the noise. It's all right. Good morning, Bill. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Morning. Happy Thanksgiving to you, too. What are you thinking? I've got a crazy question. I don't know. For all my years of being around, I've never thought about this ever until when you were talking with the other gentleman there. Who, when our government pays the interest on our debt, who do they actually pay the money, too? Okay, one more time.

Maybe I didn't follow that. Try it again. When our government makes a payment on our debt, the United States debt, who do they actually make the payment to? Oh, who do they make the payment to? I believe it is to the Treasury, or is it to the Federal Reserve? It may be the Federal. Okay.

Let me just see if I can find this out. When the federal government, I'll tell you what, I will, I'm going to poke through this and do a quick search. when the federal government pays interest, where does it go? Maybe that'll help, okay? I'm just doing a quick search on this. This is just a web search, all right? Let's see.

Okay, when the U.S. Treasury pays interest, the money doesn't vanish. It moves to whoever holds that debt. Primary holders, several major groups, domestic, private, and institutional. That means U.S. banks, mutual funds, pension funds, insurance companies, high net worth individuals, and they hold about 40% of U.S. securities. Foreign governments, about a third of that, and the Federal Reserve gets about 20% of it. How about that? Oh, okay.

Wow. Yeah. So. That must be a complicated deal if they want to borrow money. How do you borrow when you've got 15, 20 different places? Well, that's at least part of it. That's just from a quick search. for what it's worth, all right? Appreciate the call. Thanks for making it.

Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Bill. It's Matt. Matt. Welcome. It's on your mind. All right. Your conversation with Herman was great. But I didn't hear any solutions. There's no solution for what we can do individually about the government and the money they spend. No. So you have to take care of yourself first. Well, and I think that is the solution at this point in time. It's almost like you have to

bulwark, your individual situation more so than, you know, trying to fix that thing, man, I'll tell you, way above our pay grade, isn't it? Wasn't that always the approach, though, that each of us promised to take care of ourselves? Could you say that again? For some reason, I'm missing one word there. I couldn't hear it. Oh, I said, wasn't the original idea in America for each person, each family to take care of themselves. If we all took care of ourselves, then we wouldn't need the government.

Yeah, I think that was the original deal. And, of course, charity, private charity was designed there for those that were incapable of doing that. That's right. So I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you the solution here. And it's super simple, like stupid simple. For all of these people who have found themselves in credit card debt, car payments, the longest journey, starts with a single step. The first single step in getting yourself right with your money is go one month, just one month, without spending any money on something you don't absolutely have to have. So pay your electric, mortgage payment, rent, car payment, insurance, whatever you absolutely have to spend, spend that money, spend nothing else. Don't go to Amazon, don't go

buy shoes for less. Don't go by Macy's. Don't go to Home Depot. Cut all of it. I know that's weird to say in front of the holidays because people are ramping up to spend some money. Sure. If people would just start with one month, one month, make a commitment. If you got a husband, wife, a couple kids, the husband and wife get together and say, listen, nothing. Here's a list of the eight things that we absolutely have to pay every month, including groceries. We won't spend one dollar on anything else could you actually see that spreading to even what we've decided that is necessary okay you got a family of five that means you have to have five cell phones and all the kids have a cell phone too well so you're saying in my tune i didn't have a cell phone

i didn't have a smartphone when i was a kid you know what i had a bicycle that my parents bought when i was eight and over the years i used my lawnmower money to do upgrades to it to kind of turn it into a BMX bike because we couldn't afford anything else there were six of us yeah kids eight in the famines but here's the thing if people can just don't focus on if you look at the credit card bill and there's $5,000 on there you can't look at that and just become myopic on that thing and be in constant panic mode because what people do is to relieve their stress of their debt retail therapy that's right and all they do is add to it So you have to say to yourself, I'm just going to go this first month.

The other thing is, I actually did some math, and this was a few years back. I went to WinCo, went in there with cash, because the only take, I think, cash check or a debit card. And I bought what I would normally buy for groceries for me and my wife and my two kids. And then for the next couple of weeks, figured out, okay, you know what? This is about what we need. then I backed the math out over 10 years, just shopping someplace else, not going to say if we're Albertsons, I would have saved myself $25,000 over the course of those 10 years if I had been shopping at WinCo that entire time.

$25,000. And if you ask somebody, oh, that's over 10 years, you know, that's... Oh, no, but still, that's real money. It's real money. It is... This is, so I preach to my children, which is why they're both so cheap like their father. I am, well, hey, I'm with you on that. I am astounded at what the high end, or what you would say, the higher end supermarkets charge.

It just astounds me. It's talking. When you actually do the shopping, well, here's my, here's my theory. If the store has those little tiny shopping carts in the very front, you know, the little tiny ones that look like they have just about room for your cat or a dog on the top of it. That is indicative of the pricing schedule of the store, okay? That's my take on it, okay? That's a great commentary. My saying was to my kids was this, a dollar you save is a dollar you keep. And I explained it to them. I said, listen, it doesn't make sense to go

go to a second job, a second part-time job, because that's going to get added to your income, and it too is going to be taxed. But if you save a dollar, you've already, you pay tax on that dollar. If you save the dollar, then you get to keep that dollar. It's not going to get taxed like a second income gets taxed. That's the reason that savings is so critical. It is absolutely critical. So do the first thing. Don't spend any money. It's hard to do. It's hard to do. It's easy to have a habit like, you know, eating pie. I love pie. I know. All right. Matt, I got a lot of people here, so I think you made your point here. I'm just going to nickname you Matt the Grinch from Grant's Pass. Okay.

All right. How about that, buddy? It's 822. If you're on hold, happy to take your call. Having fun this morning on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Be right back with you. Persons Express on Crater Lake Highway. Here, KMED and Grants Pass on 1059, K290AF, Rogue River in South Jackson County on 1067 K-294-A-S. Ashland. Hey, we continue with Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday calls. Smiter Dave is here. You have a pebble. Fire away. Yeah, I was going to say, is Tina Kotech declared a state of emergency for, you know, their gasoline.

Yeah, the Olympic pipeline being shut down, yep, because of the emergency, sure. Well, they should just leave it shut down. They said they didn't need stinking gas or diesel. Why do you just tell them, like, leave it off? We don't need it anymore. Yes, because it's all carbon-free, right? The carbon-free universe, we would immediately. be enjoying the benefits of that, right?

Right, and you can walk everywhere. She could do this first, I'm sure. Good call. Appreciate that. Let me go to Keith, Keith, Kays and CJ. How you doing, Keith? Go ahead. Rolled through the Willamette fog. All through Willam. Yeah, it's foggy up here.

We have an economic situation kind of dug tails into what you guys have been talking about how do you how do you walk away from a car payment on a vehicle you still owe a boatload of money on if you don't care about your credit rating because one half of my story doesn't that's me the other half hard to know if is there a way to do that you go back to the i should i don't feel like this is appropriate but man it popped into my head So, you're saying, you know, how do you walk away or hand the keys back? Exactly. I did that one time in my life when I was brought to the edge of, gosh, I want to say it was in the 1980s, and it was a recession at that time, and I just could not, I could not get a job at that time.

There was a recession, and I was doing everything I could to make it, and I ended up turning in a car 40-something years ago. And it was not fun, but it is possible. You can do that. Well, it may come to that very soon on my side of the phone. Really? And, yeah, well, I won't get into details because everything that got my name on it is paid for, but it has a manual transmission. Oh. You can put a funny in there if you want.

Oh, okay. I understand, so someone else within your family does not have. a manual transmission. And he's grumpy about it. And grumpy. The economics might change the attitude, but I was trying to be seriously cryptic. It can be done. And again, I assume that killed credit ratings.

Oh, yeah. You know what everything has been talked about, I think that's the last thing one needs to be honestly concerned with and reality is you can't afford it and you've got it you got to give it back you know so yeah and try to you try to honor your commitments as much as you can but if you can't then then at least i suppose you could could turn it back in because that is the deal if you don't pay then you give it back right i assume i've i've been so many years since paying a payment other than our mortgage. And, you know, the responsibilities that a previous caller talks about, and I know for a fact that

my two sons, there's no way that any young person right now on an Oregon income, other than maybe being some sort of amazing person can afford beyond rent, I mean, $1,600 a month for borrowing a house or an apartment? Well, you're kind of speaking my language when I, well, I remember driving past that, in Medford they had these brand new apartments over by the Trader Joe area that they put up there, and they're talking about these affordable studio apartments. I think they were 1395 a month. I'm going, what?

We're affordable apartments. 1395 for an apartment. Over by Trader Joe's for crying out loud, you know? In 1976, I paid 100 and a quarter a month in the town of Ashland for an apartment when I was in school. Yeah, I remember those days, too. Appreciate the call, Keith. We grab another call here. I think this is Tom.

Tom, good have you here. It's on your mind, huh? Yes. Hi, Bill. I really enjoyed Herman's talk. I particularly appreciated when it says, you know, politicians can lie, but numbers don't. Yeah. And I'm having a little trouble convincing other people that how important numbers are in regards to the upcoming election.

But he said that Oregon is spending a billion a half every two years, that's $750,000. million, $750 million per year on illegal aliens and so forth. And I can't help but contrast that to how much does Tina expect to make from her transportation tax? You know, if you have a family,

you realize that, yeah, you can either pay the mortgage or you can spend the money on ice cream and unicorns. And so that's what's going on here in Oregon, we have a lot of places that spending is just absolutely absurd. It's all this DEI. It's, you know, it's the climate change. Now, do you agree with Herman, though, that the reckoning is coming sooner than later? We're getting pretty close to the edge where it's going to collapse.

And like I say, you don't know what's going to be the kickoff for it, but we're pretty close. fair. I don't just, you can't keep inflating this balloon any much longer. I think it's important, though, that, that people, of course, be as responsible as they can for themselves so that way. Because remember, collapse, though, is a process. It's not like an event. I think that's the other part we have to remember. A lot of times are thinking, well, you know, it's like overnight, you know, people are impoverished or something. No, it is part of a process. Yeah, it's a process, and you're starting to see it in the cars, people are returning their cars, they're not able to make the payments, the mortgages,

you know, and so forth. But you know, though, that when you have fiat currency, like what we have, you can't have deflation. Deflation is a bad problem because it makes the government debt more expensive. Yeah, well, if we go a long talk on that. But I wanted to just emphasize to the upcoming elections next year and so forth that numbers are important and we're being a con. There is a spending problem in the state of Oregon. There's not a tax problem. There's a spending problem. It's being spent on a lot of BS all over the place

that millions of dollars every day. Agreed. Agreed. But you also understand that that money being spent, though, is recycled in votes. Yeah, they're playing it against it. But you know, it's also what's going on is people are noticing at the gas pump, they're noticing at the grocery store, all this is going on so that we can subsidize a lot of BS spending. And I don't know, I hope that more people are starting to hurt enough to pay attention and vote differently. I hope you're right. And Tom, thank you for the call, 833 at KMED. Even in an alternative universe. The Phil Myers Show on 1063, KMED.

I appreciate you being here on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Just airing grievances, I guess, and talk about how maybe you'd like to see it done a little differently, right? Oh, by the way, we only have a few days left of open enrollment in Medicare. So if you're on Medicare right now, every year, you know, they open things up and say, okay, here's the best deal, here's the best deal. Is it really the best deal is what you have for your supplement or your drug plans or anything else if you're in Medicare? Is it really a good deal? Well, here's what you do.

Call up Lynn Barton at Skypark. Her number is 499-958, 499-09-0-9-58, because it costs no more to have an expert like Lynn help you out on this than it is to go bear and try to figure it out on your own, all right? Works really well, 499-958, and she'll do all the hard work and get back to you and say, okay, well, given the drugs that you need and yada-y-y-y-a-y-y-a-or or the kind of health that you have, This might be the better supplemental or the better Medicaid advantage or all that kind of good stuff. All right.

She will help you over at Sky Park, 4990958. Okay, okay. Just wanted you to know because open enrollment ends like the 7th of December. So it's like another week, a little more than another week. Okay, call her up today. Let me go to Jack. Hello, Jack. You wanted to weigh in.

Go ahead. Hello, Jack. Let me try one more time. Hello, Jack. Welcome. Hey, how you doing, Bill? I got a couple great-granddad Thanksgiving jokes for you. Okay, I'm good for that.

What do they call a running turkey? I don't know. What do they call a running turkey? Fast food. Fast food. Okay. You got another one? What? Why didn't turkey cross the road? Okay, I'm afraid to ask, why did the turkey cross the road, Jack? It was a chicken's day off. Absolutely. I love the... I'm going to give you dad jokes of the day, okay?

That's two dad jokes you called in. All right? Yes, sir. Thanks, Jack. You're welcome. I might as well do it because you know who sponsors the dad jokes of the day? Like, you know, Jack calling in, that's Two Dogs Fabricating. Dad Jokes Sponsor, Two Dogs Fabricating on Brian Way off Sage Road in Medford.

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Welcome. I'm good. How are you? Fine. It's on your mind. A while back you had a guy out on the show, and he was putting together a petition to recall Tina Kotech. You heard anything about that? Yeah, it died.

It ended up dying. And what happened is if I understand, I'm just doing this off of memory right now, I think there is a, I think there is a, a lawsuit or some kind of grievance being filed because what happened is the people at the state, they gave him a county petition. And so everything that had been gathered ended up being null and void or it didn't work for some reason. So the deadline passed. And I don't know if they're going to restart or not. So, but nothing's happened with that right now. Besides, it's going to be gubernatorial election year, you know, next year anyway. I don't know if there's time to do anything about that. Okay? Yeah. Okay. Thanks.

Hey, you're welcome. Thank you. You grab another one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. It's Francine. Francine. Welcome, hippie chick. You're our grandma, our grandmother, hippie chick, okay? That's me, baby. What's up? Well, I was, I'm still on the, on the thing all about, you know, with Trump and Mondami and everything. Okay. It's still bugging me. I guess you could call it a pebble, but I'm also a little into conspiracy theory Thursday to day, too. So your conversation this morning, you know, about with the woman who writes about male toxicity.

Yeah, Dr. Gilda Carl, yeah. Correct, yes. It got me thinking, like, what if the reason that Trump is sucking up to Mom Dami, Mom Dani, I always reverse those two letters. Yeah, I skip. I stumble on his name, too. I'm with you, okay? Yeah, okay. is he's trying to appeal to the woke women who are all voted for him. He's trying to soften his image. Trying to look approachable.

Yeah, yeah. He's, you know, I mean, I wonder if that's what he's up to. That could be. You know, I don't know. I can't figure him out. I don't, I think he's kind of a bad boy. Oh, Mom Donnie or Trump? Well, both of them at this point.

Well, you know what happens? The women's like the bad boys. Remember, Dr. Not Dr. Jane Oriented. Who's the other doctor? Dr. Carol Lieberman. Remember the psychiatrist? Oh, right, right.

Yeah, she wrote that book about how the girls like the bad boys for a reason, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love it. Thanks for the call, though. Good hearing from you. See you later, hippie chick. All righty.

I say that affectionately. You know that. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Glenn Arshambeau and Phoenix. Glenn, take it away. Hey, your pipeline is still shut down. It's an emergency.

Yeah, apparently the governor finally got around working on that. Yeah, guess so. A little history here, Bill. Back in the early days of the energy crisis here in Oregon, two things came forward. One, that you better have enough money or have stored food. Two, you better have enough money to buy gasoline to go. to work. And those were two items that were devastating in those days. And people stood in the streets of Medford waiting for the USDA to hand out abundant food. Which day was that?

Which day was that again? Early 70s. Early 70s during the rough time. You're called the abundant food program. It is something worth taking to heart then, I guess. It is still. It was a grim time. And you know, and I was one of many we were put out the door the big shop we worked on heavy equipment they said all you boys are out of here we're done the bank will take the shop in the morning okay thanks for the history lesson that maybe many have forgotten okay food and gas bill all right thanks glen 842 speaking of the food thing coming up in about 10 minutes diner 62 real american quiz we will have that so uh you can say there's no free lunch but i will

give you one from the private sector coming up if you win. Hi, you get the final say for the moment. Who's this? Morning. Hey, I was going this morning. It's Michael. Michael, sorry, I hung up on you earlier. I hung up on three people all at once. It's an amazing talent I have. I thought maybe he just didn't like my subject. No, wasn't that at all? I don't do that. But what's on your mind?

I'm just kidding. So, yeah, you were talking about food. I was going to say, talk about something else, but I'm pretty disgusted with our food right now. Really? And not only that, they're putting graphene oxide in or water down some places. I'm like, what? Why would you put graphene oxide in water for? It's good for you, Bill. Safe and effective.

Really? I don't know. Look it up. I'm disgusted. I can't even eat the meat anymore in the market. It's just like nobody cares. Okay, so graphene oxide in the water. All right.

I've not erred this one. Lucretia hasn't called me with that because normally I will always defer to Lucretia for whatever is being, you know, put into some consumable like that. I haven't heard from her on graphene oxide. Anything that sounds absolutely outrageous, right? Yeah, exactly. Well, I read that. That's a report.

You can read about it. They're doing it. Anyway, the meat that I'm talking about is the cloned meat, right? They take cells from animal cells, and to get it to grow like crazy, they have to splice some cancer genes in there, right? That's what you're eating And you go to the store nowadays According to the FDA, if you go

The SR code or QR code On the back of the meat It'll send you to the FDA website They can't really say whether or not There's cloned and 3D printed meat And it's in all the Campbell suits now and everything Well, I know that was a claim by one of the vice presidents there That he didn't let

He's part of a lawsuit I was mentioning that from Newsweek this morning I'm going to have to look a little further into that if there's 3D printed or grown meat in Campbell's products. It's a pretty big claim. No, it's in Hamburger Bill. I'm just saying that's how far it is. It's on the FDA's website. I'm not making it up.

Okay, what, that all hamburger is or that you can hide it in there without being anybody knowing? Nobody cares. All right. I'll have to look it up. I don't know if you're correct on that. I'll get back to you on that, Michael. Okay. KMBD, 993 KBXG.

Whew. All right. That's pretty heavy duty. I assure you that we are not looking at any lab-grown meat for the stuff we're going to give away here in about 10 minutes. Okay? All right. This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit Fontana Roofing Services.com.

Hi, this is Bill Meyer, and I'm with Cherise from No Wires Now. You're... ExpressVPN.com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. And before we do the Diner's 62 quiz, DeFlorable Patrick, you wanted to talk about that talk about the early 1970s. You must have been here then. Go ahead.

I was here, and I think it was maybe 73 or something like that. Things were so tough for the home builders that they were selling houses unfinished. You could buy a house with just the studs up. and no walls could see right through it. They would rough in the ducting, and you buy it like that if you want to for cheap and finish it yourself. I don't know if they had the roof on or not. It was probably a variable.

Yeah. They were selling unfinished houses. Yeah. Do they sell unfinished houses today? I don't require having seen any or recall having seen any. Well, I know one guy out in Roche that bought one that way, but it wasn't. It wasn't dark times for the whole valley. He just, whatever particular circumstances.

All right. But unfinished houses were, I don't know what kind of deal you can make, but something pretty attractive, I think. In other words, it was probably, you know, more financially advantageous just to have the rough one than to try to sell and make a profit on the entire home being built. That's the way it was looking, yeah, financially. The builders just wanted out.

Yeah, all right. First day to call, thanks for the reminder, Patrick, 851. Diner 62, Real American Quiz. Who says there's no such thing as a free lunch with the private sector? And the help of the people at Diner 62, yes, a free lunch or breakfast. Amazing for you. And let me go to line two, because we have Citizen Krebs. Hello, Citizen Krebs.

Well, welcome. Good morning, Bill. I feel like I should have some, I feel like I should have some patriotic news. for you. Citizen Grubbs is here. But anyway, we're talking about another famous citizen here today on the Diner 62 Quiz, Mike, and that is JFK, was buried at Arlington National Cemetery on this day. It was three days after his assassination. So November 25th, 1963, okay? Now, the day after President Johnson issued his first proclamation declaring it to be a day of national mourning, on that day, hundreds of thousands of people lined the streets of Washington to watch a horse-drawn case on,

burying Kennedy's body from the rotundit to St. Matthew's Catholic Cathedral. And I remember watching that. I was like a two-year-old. I could still remember that and how sad everybody was at this point. Gosh, what a story. Kennedy was buried with full military honors on a slope below Arlington House, where a temporary eternal flame was lit by his widow to forever mark the grave. for the win, Citizen Krebs, is how long did the temporary flame burn until the permanent

eternal flame was installed? How long did it take to get a permanent one? Was it A, one year? Was it B? Three years? C, six years, D, 12 years, or was it E, 18 years before there was a eternal flame permanently installed? I would say, is it Six years? Is it six years? I am sorry, citizen, Krebs. Next time, okay? That's okay.

All right. Let me go to Tom. Hello, Tom. It's not six years. One, three, twelve, or eighteen. How long before the permanent eternal flame? Oh, I think it was one year. Was it one year?

It was not. But thanks for trying. Let me go to Logan. Hey, Logan. Hey, Bill, let's try three years. Was it three years? Three years. You're a winner.

It was. Awesome. Permanent eternal flame at the gravesite, J.F.K., March of 1967, three years, three months after his burial. Permanent structure constructed between 65 and 67. And they were kind of concerned at first that there wasn't going to be an eternal flame allowed there. But I wanted to ask you for an extra crime. question for extra credit though how many times has the eternal flame gone out can you tell me oh let's say seven seven actually a couple of times it's been extinguished at least two times

separate occasions and the most recent one 2013 when the flame apparatus was extinguished for upgrades there was also another time when the flame accidentally went out because a bunch of kids threw holy water on it. I thought that was a funny one. Kind of entertaining. Holy water put out the eternal flame. It was a group of children that were, you know, tossing it at that.

That was in 1963, by the way. All right. Hang on. Off the diner 62 with you. This is the Bill Meyer show. I'm Matt Jordan. Join me for Fox 26. I'm on Kemi D.

It's 856 and change. Let me head back at the phone. Here we'll grab a quick one, then some emails of the day. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Oh, it's Lauren. I missed again. Sorry, Lauren. I guess you will go hungry another day.

Are you going to have another one tomorrow? I don't know. We'll see. Okay. I'll be listening. I'll be listening. I'm faithful listener anyway. Well, you know, you're a man with priorities, though, is what you're saying, right? That's very true. I have that. All right, Laura. Thanks for the call. All right. Emails of the day.

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Get your appointment. I think you'll really be pleased with the experience there. CentralPointFamily Dentistry.com. Freeman Way next to the Mazin-Lan Mexican restaurant, okay? And Ken writes me this morning, and he says, Bill, I listen to you every morning on my way to work. Unfortunately, I'm driving, can't call in. The other morning, you were talking about the two straight cats that have adopted you. We have no cats, but I wanted to share this with you.

My wife and I live up 227. Our nearest neighbor is about a half mile away. Wow. During COVID, we had six peacocks show up. six peacocks really oh okay they have now adopted all of us now there are 11 about a year ago a black and white cat showed up my wife started feeding it a few weeks back or later rather two black cats with clip deer is arrived a few months go by two gray cats are now being fed three weeks ago a small gray tabby and a very large black cat also showed up up the road about a mile folks i know have also been adopted by nine cats themselves The last time I spoke with them, it could be more by now. We really like the two black clipped deer ones. We think they're sisters.

But unfortunately, because of irresponsible pet ownership, burdening others with their poor choices, I'll end up having to make the hard decision of how to deal with these cats. With a sudden influx of cats, I questioned if maybe one or more of the rescue places might be fixing them than dumping the cats into the wild. We live on a dead-end road, so I don't believe it's people just casually driving through and dumping.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this with you after listening to you the other morning. Have a great Thanksgiving. Ken, thanks for letting me know about that. Man, I'll tell you, that is we talk about insult to injury. I'm not aware of any of the rescue places doing something like that, although I wouldn't be surprised if there are some cat owners that are thinking, well, rather than putting the cat down or I'll take the cat out into the wild. And, well, this place looks like, well, they'll have.

a chance, but there's not really enough food to handle that. I can't really explain what drives that. I'm not a real fan of it, but obviously there are some of these clipped and fixed cats that are making it out there. So I don't know if it's intentional or if they were found in that area and then return to that area. That could be part of it, and maybe some of the cat rescue people could let me know one way or the other.

I don't have an answer for you, but I don't think they're intentionally bringing additional cats to your neighbor. it could be just the local production unfortunately there's a lot of that's why it's so important to get them fixed and clipped and do all those other things okay uh the email bill at billmyershow com have a great day it's going to be wheels up wednesday into thanksgiving catch you tomorrow news talk 1063 km ed and km ed hd one eagle point bedford a marquee