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Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Dr. Dennis Power is a retired professor of business law, wonderful author. In fact, I was just going through one of your books that I have from a few years ago over the weekend here. Doc, that was Treasership. I love that. One of my favorites. Oh, you know, Bill, actually, you chose well, you know, like that movie. The reason is is the fact that that's the one that most people will go into.

The reason is it's about sunken treasure, sunken gold, just off the California coast and Crescent City. Yeah, could you imagine bringing up those? Could you imagine bringing up that gold right now at the current gold and silver price, $42.50, you know, $58 an ounce? Never thought I would see those kind of prices going on for a while. You know, I still get calls and emails from salvers who are saying, where is the ship? They dug that all up, though, didn't they bring that all up back then?

No, actually, they didn't bring it all up. And what's interesting is that the huge safe, a Dobler safe that was about six feet high and five feet wide and five feet deep, with a number of valuables, was never found, along with gold that was in different areas in the purser's office. But, you know, the thing that's amazing to me, Bill, was that, yeah, there was gold and it's still there, but it was the ship of history, because it was owned by Cornelius Vanderbilt, and it brought in the news of Oregon statehood. Yeah.

And just a real quick little thing on that one. I had first entitled it, Shep of History, because it had all these connections here with Oregon. But then all of a sudden, the New York City publisher said, yeah, we'll go with the treasure that was on board. And I said, okay. Treasure ship, it is, right? There we go. I'm glad you like it. Hey, Doc, let's shift it.

Pallet Cleanser, we rarely have talked about things like this, but it's worth talking about UFO sightings in Southern Oregon, given there seems to be so much of a focus now on this with being a little more forthcoming from the federal government. Would that be a fair assessment of where we find ourselves right now? It sure is, Bill. And the key thing for me is that looking at history, history can be sports figures that really gave to the community. and it can be everything other than, let's say, presidents or economic philosophers. But on UFOs, you know, it's a controversial subject, and it goes all the way back to the Bible in the book of Ezekiel, where off of Kuwait, a mysterious ship was described as appearing from the sky in then modern-day Kuwait. But, you know, you go back, I was going into Rome, in China, Germany, even England.

All of these have had their own sightings. So, as we would think, it's a worldwide phenomena that really gained momentum after World War II, going back to actually a year afterwards when a commercial pilot reported seeing nine objects flying in formation at over a thousand miles per hour, and he described their movements to be like a saucer skipped across the water. So that's where we got the newspaper accounts of flying saucers. And all the way through, question is, is, are they real? Are UFOs here?

What do you think? Well, I think they're here, one way or the... I mean, this is something which has been going on for a long, long time. I think what's happening now, though, is that we're getting more what we would call responsible, sober kind of attitude people, you know, police officers,

military types, they're becoming more forthcoming about it than they once were because it used to be that if you would talk about this stuff out in public, you'd be considered crazy. Like something wrong with you. And frankly,

people would lose their jobs if they would, you know, talk about things like this too much because you're one of them. You know, you're not a sober type. I think it's good that

We're starting to find out more, though. But, I mean, we have a history here in Southern Oregon of, I can't tell you how many times over the years people have written me about stuff, which they have seen, which have been unexplainable by standard definitions. And you can include me in there as well. The thing that really stands out is that fully 80% of all these reported sightings are explainable, you know, balloons or reflections, aircraft, a lot of different ones. But then you get into this 5 to 15 percent. That can't be, right? And, you know, but, you know, I decided to take a little different tack

because I was always been, like you, neutral waiting to see if we would receive something like, you know, a two-toed green monster that's nine feet high, But never seeing him, we just keep seeing now that was released about, you know, what pilots have seen with, you know, their scope guns, with an object that's flying in erratic patterns. Yeah, there was one of them in Yemen, which is most famous, you know, brought up in congressional hearings a little earlier this year, the one in which the, was it the Tomahawk or the Patriot missile, I forget which one, but it bounced off the device and then exploded, right? where then, you know, and you think about it, you know, bouncing off the unidentified flying objects, a little odd, little odd behavior. It's not normally something you see much of these days. Yeah, and you know, another concept that comes in is that the Earth is four and a half billion

years old, and in that, the Big Bang theory, you know, started about 13 billion years old. ago. So when you take a look at, you know, how many galaxies are out there, there's 100 billion trillion planets in the universe. And that's a, when I was in engineering, a 10 to the 25th, exponentially means 10 times itself, 25 times, which gives you a number that goes through that's the entire length. Even more than the, it's even a larger number than the national debt, right? The national public debt. Boy, I'll tell you know, the way that our politicians are going, that may be jeopardized.

I think one of the most interesting aspects of unidentified phenomenon in Southern Oregon is the one you were bringing up here a while, and that had to do with the Lemurians and how there was even that one person running for Congress that as soon as she ended up declaring her candidacy then scrubbed the Lemurian talk from her website, right? Remember that one? Yeah, that is so true, you know, very quickly, you know, what you say to attract the far left and then all of a sudden you say, well, I better get to the center to pick up those people. And so, you know, the big lie comes out. But the interesting thing about Montchasta is that with the lens-shaped clouds that are like 10,000 feet above ground level.

The claim is that the clouds... Yeah, well, the claim is that the clouds are used to hide the spaceship, right? That's the claim. Right. Yeah, and so with that, with the... And also, Mount Shazard itself just has this very abnormal look that's beautiful. You know, of course, all of us here, even started, you know, heading up the climate. And it's just an incredible monument, you know,

to multi-million years ago. And the Lamerians, which goes back in terms of a book written about 125 years ago, are these seven-foot-to-eight-foot-tall profits dressed in white that are able to go ahead and in underground tunnels go from underneath Mount Chesa all the way to Tibet in a matter of seconds. And so you have this allure that comes out. Now, the thing that I really like, though, is that everyone has their own saying, I can't explain it, which is an unidentified flying object. But the one I love was one that Bill was in Ashland Cemetery. It was a video that had that war of the world's exit, like, there it is. There is the UFO.

It's now opening. And all of a sudden, up, that pops as Kermit the Frog, which I just loved in terms of that comic take on it. Well, the funny thing, though, is that even though Oregon is a thinly populated state, we're number five in UFO reports, aren't we, overall? That's true, four to five, depending on the particular statistic. And, of course, California with a greater population has the greater number of sightings had come in. Of course, because the fact it's almost impossible to see the sky until all of a sudden after a rainstorm because the smog. Well, that's true.

You know, the smog ends up causing problems with UFO signing. Very point well taken. I wonder, though, how many doctors, I wonder how many people are seeing, Elon Musk's satellites these days, though, and mistaking those for UFOs. I'm kind of curious about that. That is another one in terms of the numerous satellites that are there. Also, high-flying jets, and you have also everything from unexplained meteors that course through. There's a number of in there, but then you get to the 5% to 10% that aren't.

And, Bill, I am still waiting, my friend, for more definitive proof, although when you look at the numbers, you'll say there has to be. Yeah, it seems to be something to that, and even the federal government paying attention to it, unless this is going to be the next psychological lot played on us, okay? So I'll get back to you on that, all right, Doc. Thanks. Once we have all these drones that are out there in terms of all the sightings, we never, Bill, we have never gotten any elucidation having to do with the. numerous multi-drone sightings off New Jersey in New York. We never had any thing that came in that said, well, it was a test, or, well, there was never an explanation that came out. You're right about that, but, you know, that is like, you know, 50 years ago in the news cycle,

that kind of thing, instantly sinks out of sight. Point well taken, why don't we take it to the present right now? I want to ask you a few questions about Venezuela, okay? and other things going on. Next, with Where Past Meets present. This is the Bill Mears show. Brod Medford. This is News Talk 1063, KMED.

And you're waking up with the Bill Myers show. Dr. Dennis Powers, where Pass meets present. We're into the present now here, Doc. Doc, I wanted to share an email I got from Keith, and this is not uncommon that I got. I know I'm on the other side of a lot of where my listeners come from when it comes to blowing drug boats out of the water. Okay?

And he says, Bill, sounds like you'd rather have kids die from fentanyl overdose themselves rather than them stopping the obvious drug trafficking in the obvious drug boats. My issue has to do with the constitutionality of this, and especially of doing it in international waters, Doc. And it's not that I'm in love with fentanyl traffickers and things. You could just as easily surround them, seize the boat, sink it, and toss the drugs out. And I think what kind of gets me concerned is that we all have already seen some behavior that indicates it that this is really about, in my opinion, pushing a higher military involvement with Venezuela in general because there was one of the drug boats blown out of the water a few weeks ago. I think this was the other one, not the controversial one that people were talking about with Hague Seth lately.

But it had to do with, there were two survivors, two survivors, and they weren't arrested as terrorists. They were let go and released back to their home countries, all right? And it kind of puts the lie to this all being about the drugs. I think there's something else going on here. And is my suspicion founded or unfounded in your view of what's going on here? Well, first of all, if it wasn't for Trump, how bored. we would all be in terms of debating and legalities. And, of course, this gunboat diplomacy has been with a heart, it looks like,

was shown when Reagan went after Panama. And when we look at all the things that have happened over history, going back to the Roman times, every single, you know, about, 10 years, there's a war that starts. It's just, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it just happens. Yeah, well, you know, but if we're going to get to the point

where we know something is a drug boat or we know something as a drug cartel or something like that, okay, let's just blow it up on I-5-2 while we're at it. I mean, why, you know, there just seems to be a cowboy approach to this that I'm not sure necessarily is, well,

of course, maybe the power of the presidency this day is whatever the president says it is, I guess. Maybe that's what I'm, maybe that's what is irritating me. I would just like to see more congressional involvement with such policies. Oh, and actually that's what is happening, uh, because, uh, the first thing is, uh, with, uh, the re-election coming up here, uh, is, uh, Republicans are going ahead and saying, we will have hearings, uh, on the legality, uh, of the gumboat diplomacy having to do with these, uh, drug boats that are coming in with Trump closing the airspace over Venezuela.

We need to talk about this. Well, yeah. Where is the authority for a president just to crook his finger and close the airspace over any country? Where does that come from? Well, actually, you know, it's, you know, the power of doing this is certainly vested in the executive branch. Those on the other side will go ahead and say, oh, no, this is.

moral and in the Constitution, and then this always happens at Harvard Law School, you know, if you can't go ahead and get it out of the executive branch, you argue over the intent of people that drafted the Constitution 250 years ago. And by the way, I'm not doing this at a partisan basis because I criticize President Obama for this droning of an American citizen. No trial, no reports to file. We just fling a missile. You know, Adam, blew up the family, right? Yeah, that's true. And then the world that we live in is one to where the shine-shoe approach of saying, we are the moral ones with the moral upstanding, is one that is doomed to fail when you have Putin in there and the realization that this is a dangerous world we live in. You can't even walk down New York City without going ahead and have something attacking you. And of course, all that is something that's illegal, shouldn't happen, but that's just the nature of the warrior that's humanity, you know, humankind and mankind. But I agree with you. It's one of those things where people can argue

different ways for their belief as to whether they're worried that this will end up in a larger war. Well, this does seem to be, this does seem to be an attempt to get something going, wouldn't you agree? I hope so, because recall that in Venezuela, you have the woman who got the Peace Prize was one who had won the election, and Maduro just said, oh, that's nice, killer. And then she had to run to hide for her life. I mean, life these days is one that is not easy. I don't think it's ever been easy because the warlike nature of people. But the argument is going back and forth is executive decision. Yeah, but where is the authority for a president to tell another president, whether you like the president or not, and I don't.

Maduro's not a good guy. I'm not saying that, that he is. But, you know, to say that I called him and I said, you need to get out, need to get out now. And it's like, wait a minute, or else because what he's talking about is war activity, which would seem to be something that Congress should be involved. then, if we still have a constitutional republic. But you see, the same thing has happened before in terms of Noriega

with his drug dealing that happened in Panama and Friedan. And we're seeing the same thing now with Maduro. They have been, you know, feathering their bow, Bill, with having these declaring

that's what the Venezuela president is doing is drug smuggling and makes that on the not good destroy list. And I think the thing is that you have different things that come in. One, China has been making real inroads into Venezuela and into all these different places. It's a reality type of thing that I see.

And the other problem is, is with the election coming, we're seeing Republicans heading to the hills. Now, the overall is that the far left is doing everything they can, including arguments against closing Venezuela airspace, everything they can because they want the election in a year. The problem is that no one's focusing on, my friend, is that they're going to start impeaching proceedings. And that's going to be really shutting down all the things that we've liked since we voted Trump into office. Oh, I'll be the first to agree with you. But, you know, the thing is that you know darn well that this is, I just don't understand that why President Trump would give a crap about this situation in Venezuela right now, unless it's about oil. I think that in my instance, you know, we're trying to go into his mind, but for that, which I am not a mind reader, Bill, I can go ahead and say that Vinceuela is a real problem because of not only the fentanyl that's coming in and the drugs that are coming in and taking a look at all of these drug interdictions, that is really the problem, one of the big problems that we're having with this violent country we live in, I see. I just take the position, although I would respect anyone else that has the other, that I'm glad he's going ahead and putting the pressure on, because it's also having a realistic effect bill of having to do with the war we're having, and it is there, has been declared, although it's not missiles yet being sent this with us in China.

These are dangerous times that we live in, and I just happen to like what Trump is doing. God, when I think my friend is, what would it be happened if Biden continued a bomb are running in? Oh, yeah. I would just say, though, the first time an American boat gets blown out of the water in international waters, I don't want to hear anybody complain, okay? Oh, but the whole point is that they're hoping that will happen, because they want to force Maduro out, and they're having these negotiations right now in terms of getting out, no different than the way that the militants went ahead and took over Iran. You know, this idea of Marquez of Queensberry rules just does not apply in my estimation.

It's just my political and philosophy that if a person strikes one another, yeah, you can turn the other tree, but how many bruises do you want? You're sure it's not just that when Republicans are in power, then they're okay with intervention, when they're not in power, then they're not okay with presidential intervention. Maybe, could it be that? You know, that's a good argument because that certainly appears, especially in these times. Well, it's just like I never hear John, I never hear Ron Wyden ever care about the Constitution until there's a Republican office, and then we have to worry about the Constitution.

But very little when Biden's in. That's true. And you see, the litmus test then, my friend, is knowing that is part of the political reality, how can we take a look at what is the legality of certain situations, given the fact that that's the first thing that's thrown out if you don't want to have drug interdiction in Venezuela? And so we're in a situation where I am concerned that the Republicans, because they just don't get the message as to they have to fight, not just go ahead and follow what they think will get their individual re-election. We'll lose the House. But the problem is, is that going to, that will head into the problem of more impeachment proceedings just to, make Trump into a very low-term president. Well, at this point, you know, in my opinion, he may already have just made himself a lame duck right now, you know, by doing this kind of stuff.

It feels very reckless. I don't, I have a slightly different take. That's a good argument, Bill. I do have a slightly different take in terms of the fact that what Trump is doing will make him a lame duck. I really blame, and I see it here in Oregon, that the Republican Party. I cannot believe the way that they make the decisions that they do to end up on the front page of the Graspass carrier. So we could share information and thoughts in this for a long time.

I'm not saying that I have the one thought that makes it on this issue. there's many depending on the listeners and many depending on the people. I just am concerned in terms of what I've seen ever since Obama was running the White House underneath Biden. Yeah, well, I'm concerned back when it comes to the Republicans, focus, focus, focus, focus. And frankly, I don't think getting involved in a conflict over in Venezuela is the focus. But, you know, well, I agree with you, except the one thing that I am faulting the Republicans on, which is easy to do, is they got to get out the vote and they're sitting back in their power

positions. For example, there are shows on Fox News that I love, Gutfield, and things like this. You know, it's satire. But on the other hand, there are those that hate it. But the point is, is the fact that we have all of these conflicts that are coming in. And the Republicans are really showing that they didn't know that they would be able to have a small control of the House, and yet for nine months, oh, no, for a year, here we have them laughing about what the Democrats are doing and saying to the Democrats, here's what you should do to be able to take and make it more of a competitive market. And I cut thinking, you fools, that has nothing to do with it.

All right. Hey, Doc, you take care. I'll catch you next week, all right? but I guess you and are going to cheerfully disagree on some of this right now. Oh, I cheerfully recognize the points you make. All right, because I would just imagine what we would be saying right now under a Biden or Kamala, as it were, because it appears that it's trying to, like they're creating a tripwire, in my opinion.

But I could be wrong. We'll see. All right. Well, we'd have 50 million people here who are looking for food stamps who came from 30 different countries. You make good points, Bill. All right. Well, thank you, Doc.

We'll talk next week, all right. Be well, okay? Take care. Dr. Dennis Powers. It's a quarter before nine. Oh, dead back. Something on your mind? Give Bill a shout at 541-770-5-633-770-7-0-KMED.

And some emails of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry.com. A lot of people writing me this morning about some of the things we were talking about. talked about the intergenerational challenges, and one of them I wanted to get in here. Ron says, Bill, it's not the boomers' fault, the Gen X, Y, and Z group. I don't believe in hard work, rather, in individual responsibility. Most of them have had things provided to them. If they aren't getting what they want, they blame the boomers for not providing it. The boomers, on the other hand, have a strong work ethic and believe that they have to work hard to get what they want.

The boomers grew up in families where individual responsibility was encouraged. and hard work was the norm. The government's also at fault for providing handouts to people who have not earned them. Ron, I appreciate your writing, okay? I don't like to ascribe or tar anyone with as broad a brush as you talk about, Ron, because I know some very hardworking Zs, millennials, that Xers. You want to call it that, especially the Xers, but yeah, there are some differences. Granny says, Bill, a ship blown out of international waters, USS Liberty,

by friends, quote unquote. It was not a mistake. Okay. Thanks, Granny. Yeah. I'm not supposed to talk about that. Just a mistake, right? Now, Cindy writes me, Bill, when it comes to the pillow talk, this is that once again intergenerational challenges we've been looking at, I would point out that in my opinion that younger generations also seem much more prone to anger and resentment because of their entitlement mindset. These angry clips on Instagram are mostly younger kids venting and having temper tantrums. The boomers wanted to work expected to pursue their American dream. I think my generation is tougher, more willing to work hard for what we got. I hear many, many stories about problems with the younger generation wanting

easy successes, big money just for showing up. Cindy, that's a very interesting point. And to that point, though, I will go to Kevin. Kevin's saying, Bill, it was boomers who got shipped off to Vietnam to die in the jungle or come home to hatred with a smack habit for no reason other than to feed the war pigs. So he has unkind words to Vox Day, the writer of that piece that I was talking about this morning. Let's see. Our rights, Bill, Marjorie Taylor Green, did I hear President Trump refer to Marjorie Taylor Green as Marjorie Trader Green? Yes, yes you did. I wish the president would get over his petty name calling it's a juvenile, it's beneath the office that he holds. Also, Democrats had full control both houses of Congress and the White House with all

the Epstein files in hand while Biden was in office. They threw everything they had at Trump for four years without any mention of Epstein. If Trump was implicated in any way of having illegal relations with underage girls, Democrats would have destroyed him with it. Randy continues Republicans have full control, yet after campaigning on releasing it, a year's gone by with nothing but excuses for failure to disclose everything. The only conclusion a reasonable person can draw is that there is no there, nothing. The Epstein file fiasco, the ultimate political red herring, rather, if ever there was one. All right, Randy, appreciate your writing from Ashland, okay? Now, we had a gentleman write me about Highway 234. Bill, well, it looks like,

they have Highway 234 finally done. I've seen smoother forest service roads that are being logged on. That road is absolutely disgusting, he writes. They should be required to give back the money that it was spent on that job, turn it over to a private contractor to do the job right. What a waste of taxpayer money. Drive over it, Bill, and tell me if I'm wrong. They even left up the speed limit signs, 35 miles per hour signs up.

It is so bad. I'll tell you what, McKinley, I will, I will check that out. I'll go drive over that and give you a road review report, okay? Appreciate you of writing. Email Bill at Billmyershow.com. Hi, this is... ...Findercity2, and I'm on Kemi D. And we'll definitely have a diner 62 real American quiz for tomorrow's show.

Looking forward to that. Great weekend, like I'd mentioned. It didn't do a lot of, um, of the, uh, of the Black Friday shopping. We've got a couple of little bargains, the other kind of things like, you know, a $15, $20 thing. But the reason I was talking with Paul Oster this morning, America's credit repair, is that it is just so darn easy to click and then get it. I even found myself as disciplined as I at least try to or at least to, you know,

try to be when it comes to financing. I was looking at deals on laptops, and I use laptops all the time as part of my job, right? Now, my laptops are four years old. and they are perfectly fine functioning. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them, right? Nothing wrong. But they had all these OLED laptops on sale for great price. It'd still be about a grand, maybe $800 to $1,000, still a little bit of money.

Yeah, I had the money, but no problem doing it. And I can't tell you, it's like I would be fed those offers. I'm looking at an email and I'm looking on the sites and I'm looking, oh, here's the best O-L-E-D laparrow. top deals and you know how there's always this push to get you to buy. I can't tell you how many times it's just like, well, maybe I'd have to check it out because it's free returns if I don't like it, right? You start rationalizing with yourself, all that kind of stuff. You start rationalizing, and I'm getting ready to click it, and then what are you doing?

You already had two laptops. They're perfectly fine. So I took the money that I was going to put on a laptop. I put it in the 401K because I just had to take it out of the availability of being spent, okay, into the 401K, boom, into the 401. But that's what I meant when I was talking with Paul Oster, that I wonder if we could have done as well as perhaps we have today if we had had all of this just click to put it in the shopping card and off you go.

If everybody was getting a credit card when they were 17 years old, you know, like so often it happens now. I don't know, and that's why I'm trying not to blame the generations because every generation ends up being a product of the environment that they grew up in, okay? Boomers, post-World War II, it was a building time, all right? Later generations, not so much of a building time, that sort of stuff. But I wonder, could I have made it through high school

without having bankrupted myself by the age of 19 with the current business models of what we have in today's world. I don't know. I really don't. I try to think of myself, the discipline. That's a tough thing. It is so seductive. No, I didn't get the laptops,

but I did get the $15 Black Friday special on the sawblades. I got that. Okay, all right. Email bill at Billmyershow.com. Take care. We'll talk tomorrow, okay? Thank you.