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Episode Date: December 6, 2025

Mr. Outdoors from Rogue Weather Dot com, the outdoor report, weather, wolf attack or not? Randy Landreneau is the President of US Inventor, says we have less creativity and worse products because small inventors lack protection - suggests legislation.

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Let's just put it this way, animal messes, if you know what I'm getting at here, because of the sickness. And so the community dropped off so many old towels and pads that they're saying, hold on, hold, I can't do it anymore. We have like a year or two supply of this kind of stuff. But I guess the dogs and the cats, the animals are going to be taking care of there. I thought that was a great story, great way for it to end out. an overflowing, an overflowing of help when the time comes, all right? We'll catch up on the rest of the news here.

Mr. Outdoors is going to join me. They will have a great conversation about maybe some, was it a wolf attack, a coyote attack, whatever. Do we protect inventors and inventions enough in the United States? I'm going to talk to a group that says, no, we're not real happy about that. Dr. John Lott also joining me on someone who ended up being fired for defending their life. Oh, boy. Yeah, your life or your job, I guess. Is that a good thing? That and more. At Audion Hearing, our mission is simple to make better hearing affordable for everyone. This Cyber Monday, enjoy exclusive saving.com.

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I was reading an interesting story by Sean Ring of the Daily Reckoning, and he was talking about Italy, and more importantly, Italy's gold reserves, because as screwed up as that country is monetarily, they have like 2,300 tons of gold. Number three, just behind the United States. Yeah, just behind the United States. and they're talking about maybe revaluating it or re-monetizing it. And, of course, then the European Union is kind of in a panic that Italy's part of because, oh, no, no, wait a minute, you have to keep that gold within the central banks within that.

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Auto Repair? At least for today, he is Senior Outdoors. What is the outdoors in Spanish? I'm going to have to get out my Spanish dictionary again here, Mr. Outdoors. Great to have you back on. How you been today? Man, I'm drawing a blank on that one. I guess we're going to really have to look that one up. Yeah. Because that one, I'm not sure. When I was working at Grand Auto as an 18-year-old, maybe I was just almost 19 in San Jose, and I was working in the downtown San Jose store. This was right before I got in the radio. And I was in the downtown San Jose, and that was the one that's just like, man, if you didn't have a Spanish dictionary, a little pocket dictionary in your vest,

where the smock that we all wore back at that time, then you weren't going to be able sell anything. Quanto quias, pujiaz, pet, 63, Chebby, for favor. Yeah. Yeah, no, and man, grand auto, boy, talk about a Northern California institution, so, yeah. Yeah, I think that all turned into what we now know is O'Reilly's and there was checkers. There was all sorts of stuff. I think it's had many permutations over the years, I think. Yeah, they got bad out, but yeah, I definitely remember Grand Auto being pretty much all over Northern California.

The location on North Watt Avenue, I used to go with my stepdad in there. My stepdad was Shade Tree Mechanic, Gearhead Galore, and Grand Auto. Yeah, that was a frequent stop for him, in fact, at least once a week. And by the way, I was broke at that time, 1980, of course. right? It was a recessionary time. But I'm in there, and they require that you wear a tie to sell auto parts. You had to wear a tie, and they gave you the smock. And, of course, the very first day I spilled battery acid all over my brand new, expensive, brand new tie. So I learned. Yeah, no, no doubt. But yeah, I remember that, too. In fact, there was a guy in that location we were

always in. He wore a bow tie. I remember that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, he never saw that. He wore a bow tie because bow ties were acceptable under the company dress coat, so he would wear a bow tie. Yeah, he's the one that got his butt kicked, right? Uh, no, I don't think this guy did, because he was probably about six foot, and he weighed 250 pounds if he weighed an ounce. He was, he was pretty solidly put together, dude and he was rocking some tats before tats were popular. Yeah, no one's going to make fun of the bowtie guy when he looks like that. Definitely not. Yeah, that makes

a lot of sense. Well, Greg, let's do the outdoor report and let's figure out what's going on here. An outdoor report sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford and of course you're holding down the fort atrogweather.com. We always appreciate that and we got a little more rain, a little less rain

on the weekend, I guess. What are we looking at the next few days, how is it going to play for any outdoor activity? Well, at least the good news is we're finally getting some rain. I mean, certainly for the time of the year that we're in, this is not anything to get excited about, except for the fact we've been so dry these last few weeks that any rain is welcome to see. The main action is going to be going up to our north. There's a lot of, you're going to hear a lot of talk about atmospheric river.

Well, we're on the very outside edge of that where it's more like an atmospheric trickle. And so no real relief in terms of serious rainfall or snow in the mountains because obviously Mount Ashland is not going to be opening on time at this point. Their targeted opening date, which is a week from today. Not going to be happening, but next week it does look more favorable that we should. should be getting wetter slash snowier, but I still don't see the type of storms coming at us yet that I would love to see where it looks like we're going to measure snow in the mountains in terms of feet and rain in the valleys in terms of inches. That type of thing just isn't, I mean,

it just isn't even showing up yet in any of the model runs. But collectively, over the course of time, yeah, we'll slowly be accumulating some rain and definitely some high elevation snow. If you got travel plans this weekend, snow is not going to impact you at all, because snow levels are going to be high, even where snow is falling in the mountains and the north end of our state and up in Washington. But where the snow level is at and above that, yeah, especially Washington, and then over to Idaho, it's going to be a major snow dump over the course of the weekend. Any news for hunting to talk about any of the seasons? I don't really keep track of that. We're pretty much winding that down. The archery, late archery season is wrapping up the

muzzleloader seasons have wrapped. Really, the only season that's left out there, oh, hey, now we're going to get into something that will be interesting. The only season left is bear season. And I think yesterday, yeah, yesterday I'm talking to this friend of mine, and all of a sudden he's saying, hey, I've got game cams out up there, northeastern part of the county, Union Creek area, and he goes, I got Grizzlies on pictures, and I go, really send me those. Boy, yeah, now did he send him to you, and what do they look like, huh? He did.

And he did, and we were still on the phone, and he sent me. them to me, and I took a look, and I go, well, my friend, those are not grizzlies. However, you do have two gorgeous cinnamon-phase black bears. And I've actually put a post up on Rogue Weather yesterday on the Facebook page. Go to Rogue Weather's Facebook page. Look for the post that says grizzly bears or black bears question marks. So he was confused because of the coloring of the bears. And in the one picture, the first picture that he got, there is a bear clearly wearing a collar that because of how it's positioned its body to sniff the ground, literally right in front of his game cam, it looks like it's got a bit of a hump. But took one

look at it, knew exactly what I was looking at. So I put up pictures of what real grizzlies look like and then put up the two pictures he sent me. The interesting part was the first bear picture that he sent me, that bear is wearing a collar. So that means one of two things. It's either in a bear study, and ODF and W will do that. They'll go out, they'll dart bears, they'll take blood draws, they'll take tissue samples, they'll put collars on them,

just to kind of see how bears are moving around on the landscape, or it was a problem bear that they removed out of an area and then turned it loose. Now, they can do that with bears. They can't do that with cougars. If it is a problem bear, they're monitoring its movements. They want to see if it's going to start moving back to where it came from, or if they start having bear issues where it's shown up, well, sad to say, that bear would wind up being targeted to be euthanized

because there's a zero-tolerance policy for bears that start exhibiting bad behavior towards humans. And then the second bear, he got, no caller on it. But again, it's just, it's a beautiful cinnamon-phase black bear. And I've had people for years down here tell me, I saw a grizzly. Well, if they can actually show me a picture what they saw, every single time it's turned out to be a cinnamon-phase black bear. Okay, duly noted. What about that black bear that ended up dying up in Gold Hill the other day? Did you get into that story?

I know I had listener Kim come in and counter what had been reported in other sources that apparently was not quite right. Did you get into that at all? Just curious. No, and in fact, honestly, I wasn't even aware of what happened. So kind of give me the quick rundown here, and I might be able to tell you. Yeah, it appeared to be, you know, what had happened is that there were, reports earlier that said that a woman tried to feed the bear or whatever it is, but it

did appear that there were people that were kind of, you know, social media types that were kind of hanging around and it appears that they got the bear, the young bear, you know, excited that the bear ended up attacking one woman who was still in the hospital right now last time I heard the other day and had a good chunk, you know, taken out of her, you know, from that bear attack. And I don't know a whole lot. I haven't paid all that much attention to it. I thought maybe you had, but, you know, it does appear that there were people that were maybe getting too close to it and then it got freaked out and then a bystander shot, you know, shot the bear when there was an attack. And this is, okay, so based on what you told me, this is an extension

of what I call Yellowstone National Park Syndrome where people try and get too close to bison. you're not supposed to be getting close to wildlife. You're not supposed to be trying to hug them, pet them, turn them into pets, feed them. And she didn't try to feed them. I guess she made a joke and, like, threw to run away because she got a little, you know, frightened of the situation. She was like looking for her dog, and that's why she always had a dog treat with her is what the listener said. So that's all. Okay. The important part here, though, is you start getting wildlife in.

with people, and especially something like a bear, and then we'll extend that out to basically anything with teeth, claws, things that can do damage to people, you don't want them getting too habituated with people, because that will always wind up being bad ultimately for, in this case, the bear. Yeah, the bear didn't make it. Yeah, it wasn't good for the human either, let me tell you. Oh, exactly. And, you know, sad to say, we do see things like this happen. I don't know why people think black bears are not dangerous to humans. They absolutely are. In fact, more humans are attacked by black bears every year in the United States than are attacked by grizzlies. It's grizzlies that will get the headlines, though. Yeah, I get that. All right. All right, Greg. I'll tell you what, let me take a quick break here. And let's move into the wolf thing.

if we don't mind, if you don't mind, rather. And Outdoor Report, sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. It's great having you here for Mr. Outdoors, 770 KMED. This is the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. 725, back with Mr. Outdoors. Greg Roberts at Rogue Weather.com. Grave got a couple of questions for you. Then we'll go off into Wolf News this morning. Deplorable Patrick, you're on with Greg.

Go right ahead. What's your question? Well, good morning. I first started studying weather when I was 18. That was 60 years ago. And I've only now come to this question. I don't know the answer. To me, a water molecule is a water molecule. Why do some form cumulus clouds and right next door stratus clouds and the same water molecule? Yeah, and that is all a product of lift, and it's all in how it comes together in the atmosphere. Cumulus clouds, basically, they require a different set of conditions, a broader set of conditions. Stratus are tend to be more dense, if that makes any sense to you, which is why sometimes you look at cumulus, clouds, especially in the summer. A perfect example. We get those puffy cotton balls over higher terrain in the summer that never turn into thunderstorms that, you know, actually we even have a

name for it, fair weather cumulus. So cumulus, yeah, you can get that. Stratus is a heavier, denser type of a cloud. There's actually more water vapor molecules, if you will, within that cloud. and it requires a much different type of air mass to be able to form. But cumulus are actually, you know, they're a pretty easy cloud to get generated and can have them pop up. But the other thing you'll notice is as soon as it starts the downward trek of the sun and the sky, those fair weather cumulus become fewer and fewer. and then by the time you hit dusk, they're going to be completely gone. So I don't know if that answers your question exactly, Patrick,

but that's about as close as I think I can come without getting into the hyper-technical side of it. All right. Hey, appreciate the call there, Patrick. Let me go to Brad. Brad, you have a critter question. You want to ask, right? Hey, Greg, you're an outdoors guy, and I figured you probably would be able to give an answer to this.

question. What do you know about wolverines in Oregon? Actually, it's kind of interesting. It used to be thought that, like wolves, we didn't have any in Oregon. Well, the reality is there's always been a population of wolverines in the Walloas, way up in northeastern Oregon, really rough wilderness area that they occupied. I actually did have a Wolverine encounter one day when I was out doing a Bigfoot expedition. I'd gone up above Union Creek and parked on the side of the road, and then I had actually hiked into the southwest corner of the park. And there is a section there that back in the day they did some logging

because most people don't realize they did expand the boundaries of Crater Lake. National Park a bit, and there is this old area that right along the edge of the park had been logged off, and I'm walking down this road, and I start seeing these really odd-looking tracks in the road, in the snow, and I'm looking at that and thinking, wow, that kind of looks like a bear track, but that doesn't look right, and the pacing of the track, the distance between the tracks, That wasn't right for a bear either. Yeah. I followed that for a half a mile, and then I came to this open area, and there was this

fur thicket, and I'm walking up, and all of a sudden out of that fur thicket came the most ominous, evil-sounding growl I have ever heard, and that froze me instantly, and I'm like, oh, I don't think I even want to challenge that. And so I started backing up and keep my eye on that fur thicket, made my way out. Well, of course, I get home and immediately start looking on the Internet going, okay, what did I see? What did I hear? And it came back Wolverine. So we do have them around here, but do we have a lot of them, though?

Was that kind of where you're going, Brad? Yeah, I just was curious. I'd seen some film footage of them. Yeah, we don't have a lot of them. But now the interesting thing over the course of the last four years in Oregon, we have seen Wolverines show up in the Willamette Valley. We've seen wolverines show up on the coast. They're being seen and documented in a lot of areas in Oregon that, you know,

the old way of thinking with Wolverines was that, well, that's just not Wolverine country. And, in fact, looking at the historical record, they couldn't find, they being ODF and W, couldn't find any documentation of Wolverines on the coast ever. So the wolverines that have shown up on the coast in the last four years and people got pictures and video, that seems to be a first ever documented, and definitely Wolverines in the Willamette Valley, which they've been seen in Portland, they've been seen in populated areas just to the south around Salem. Well, you know why the Wolverines are up there, Greg, is because. the Wolverines are always out there fighting the Socialists and Communist dictators.

That's what it is. Well, for whatever reason. Everybody knows the movie, Red Dawn, right? Yeah, well, yeah, Wolverines, of course, see Thomas Howell, but, yeah, we're definitely, we're seeing things from Wolverines and seeing them do things and go into areas that had never been documented before. So that's really interesting, and what's causing that? Heaven only knows.

All right. I had a curiosity, and then we've got to go to wolves here before we wrap quickly, and that is, can you hunt Wolverines, or is that? No. No, okay. No, wolverines would be a protected species. That said, wolverines are known to attack people. They're also known to break into cabins, houses.

Up in Alaska, they're notorious for this. Alaska and Canada, they'll just break right into a house and decide, okay, I'm going to go after whatever I think I want to eat in here. And they're like bears in that respect. Bears will do the same thing when they decide they're smelling something they want to go after. Breaking and entering into human habitation is definitely something they will do. And who's going to argue with her, right? Okay. Now, finally, Vicky from the Applegate called me back the other day yesterday

and said she really enjoyed the talk with you about her potential or what she thought was a wolf attack on her goat in the Applegate. And it appears that authorities are saying that they thought it was coyote, coyote, rather than that. Would you concur with that out in the bunkum area or not? I would concur with that. The other possibility, however, is, and based on her husband's, you know, adamant belief of what he saw, we may also be dealing with hybrids here, too. That could also be another possibility.

but here's the thing, I have not been able to find anywhere, and it's definitely not happened in Jackson County. A goat attacked by a wolf surviving, that hasn't happened. Every single wolf attack on a goat has resulted in fatality of the goat. And her husband said, yeah, but what if you actually interrupted the attack while it's happening? And I go, well, you know, I kind of had to give him that one a little bit because I didn't really want to get into bite pressure, you know, how wolves just especially something the size of a goat, I mean, as soon as they start biting, it's pretty much going to result in fatal wounds to something like a goat or a sheep. I didn't want to get into all of that, but yeah, I think it was far

more likely coyotes, but hybrids are definitely a possibility. I really don't think it was wolves or a wolf at all, though. Now, I got about a minute left here, Greg. Could you give me, though, what you were talking about with Butte Falls, wolf population, something you saw the other day? All right. Well, I'm going to do this quickly, then, if we've only got a minute, there's a video posted on Rogue Weather's Facebook page.

It documents very well how brazen the wolves are up there. You're going to see nine wolves in the video, the majority of which are black. And they show no fear of humans whatsoever. They know there's humans right there. They don't care. And I also found out that every single non-lethal method we can think of right down to shooting them with rubber bullets has failed. And the problem here is I don't think there's a solution here other than removal of some of the wolves out of the pack. and that provides a short-term relief.

But historically now, even here in Oregon, we can prove it. Once you start removing wolves out of a pack, what ultimately winds up happening, you make the problem worse. And we need to talk about this in-depth more, and we can do that. Let's do that next Friday, okay? Or next Friday. Yeah. But there's a lot more involved here. And the other thing I'll say is there's a lot of people out there who like to land.

bust and ridicule the left. Well, a lot of these people opposed to wolves are definitely not leftist, and yet they continue to believe the biggest government lie ever told, which is, A, wolves were eliminated, and B, they're not native to this area. Both of those things are hugely false. All right, fair enough. We're going to hit that story first next Friday next time we get together, okay? All right. Sounds good. All right, Greg. Have great weekend. Thanks for the report this morning, Okay, take care. You got it, Bill. Greg Roberts, and once again on rogueweather.com,

you can see that video that he was mentioning about the wolves. It is 736. Brought to you by Millette Construction, specializing in foundation repair and replacement. Get on solid ground. Visit Millet Construction.com. From the KMED News Center here. Hi, I'm Matt Stone, owner of Stone Heating and Air,

and I'm on 106.3, KMED. We're going to talk about invention. It's not something that I do very often, but I have a gentleman here, Randy Landrenow, who is the president of U.S.Inventor, U.S.inventor.org, and he's wanting to restore rights to American creators, and I didn't realize that there were problems with American creators and their rights and what this may mean. Randy, it's a pleasure having you on. Welcome to the show. Yeah, good to be here. Thank you for having me. Now, are you an inventor and what kind of devices have you made if you are?

You know, I'm an inventor, and I've made, invented, and I have a few patents myself. Nothing that made it big, but I will tell you this, through what I'm doing, I am connected with some of the extremely important inventors across the country, some of whom should be rich and famous and pursuing the American dream yet have been destroyed by what I'm about to tell you about. Okay, and I'm looking forward to this, because one thing that I have noticed is, a growing trend in and not just in in automobiles or i shouldn't even just say automobiles but uh a lot of mechanical parts and tools and things of almost what i've seen as an i i call it an encrapification right uh more expensive and yet wearing out and not particularly

reliable and and you were saying that part of what we're dealing with right now in our culture is a lack of inventor protection and Maybe you could give me a few specifics and put some meat on that bone. It's an interesting claim. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, you know, probably most of your viewers think that if you invent something really valuable, and by the way, you never know when you might have – you might not even think you're an inventor, but you might come up with something out of the blue that could be hugely valuable that no one's ever thought of.

You know, most people think, okay, so if I think of that thing and I work on it and I get it patented, I'm going to really have something. I'm going to have the ability to stop big companies from stealing it. I'm going to have the exclusive right to it as our U.S. Constitution says I do, by the way. And that, unfortunately, changed drastically a little over a decade ago. I've got to tell you something. Our founders, the founders of this great nation, were so brilliant in what they did regarding inventors and writers was so revolutionary at the time. they said that, look, in America, the common person will be able to own what he or she

invents for a limited period of time, through a patent, of course, but it's for the common person, and that was not something that really existed in the rest of the world, and it created this huge incentive for the common person to invent and to innovate because they could own it and they could do something big with it, and it was all good for America, and it's good for the whole world. Well, it ends up fostering a culture of inventiveness, creativity, right? It gets you thinking because the whole idea of the patent was not just to lock something up forever, but it was to give you the ability to monetize your thought process, right? You make some money on it, and then you create a better mousetrap, so to speak, that kind of thing. Totally, totally. And you know what?

And it's the average, you know, the common person out there that tends to come up with things that the vested interest are not thinking of, right? They're making money. from what they've already got on the market. They're not trying to put themselves out of business. But the man or woman in a garage or a workshop is thinking way outside of the box, and they're the ones that typically come up with the next big thing. But if they don't have a way to protect it, then suddenly you have a situation where the big guys can just take it,

and the little guy is left with nothing. So where's the incentive? And what happened was, and by the way, our lawmakers, and by the backing up a little bit, The Patent Act of 1890, I'm sorry, 1790, the Patent Act of 1790 under George Washington is what kicked this whole thing off. It was a third ever act of Congress. So this was huge for our founders. So what our lawmakers, of course, big corporations have been trying to weaken the system for, you know, over 100 years. I mean, look, they didn't like the fact they had to pay

the Wright brothers, anything, et cetera. And fortunately, our lawmakers held pretty firm for a very long time, but kind of a perfect storm of corporate lobbying and lack of representation of inventors in Washington, D.C. Because, you know, we're not the guys who are lobbying. We're in our garages working on stuff. And frankly, a lot of you, a lot of inventors are thinly capitalized, too. It's not a lot of money.

So what did the big boys do then that ended up screwing with the creative, the inventor types out there? Because you're saying about 10 years ago something changed, and what is that? Yeah. So there was a law pass called the America Invent Act of 2011. And prior to that, if you had to face off with a big infringer, it happened in a real court where you have a jury. It was a jury trial, which, by the way, the right to the judge. jury trial. That's in the Seventh Amendment of the Constitution. Yeah, there's been a lot of attack on that for a long time, going on a long time, because gosh, they're expensive, and boy,

it's just so pesky to come up with jury trials, but I digress. Please continue. Well, yeah, well, you know, but for the little guy, look, little guy facing a huge corporation, a jury of your peers is pretty, pretty critical. So prior to that act, you'd have a jury trial, and it was fair. And it wasn't cheap, of course, but it was fair. And of course, most inventors don't have any money. So how would they pay for it? Well, they would do it on contingency. And it's not a perfect system, but it worked. And I know one particular individual that beat a car company, you know, 40 years ago on a particular case, and he didn't have any money. So the system worked. Well, what was created in this law, the American Vents Act, was this new administrative court. Oh, no. Administrative courts, really? That's how they decide this now? You've got to be kidding me. It's a little more complicated than that, but basically, this administrative court, which, by the way, has no jury, has no real judge. It has three, like, government employees that are called administrative patent judges.

It's, oh, yeah, it's quick. It's fast and efficient. They claim they said it would be fair. Actually, now about 84% of the cases that actually get reviewed by this court. patent gets invalidated. 84%. Huge. Very unfair and very unjust. And the inventors I know who've been destroyed by this, by this administrative court, every single one of them, I'm pretty certain would have won in a real court.

Now, let me guess the type of cases which are probably being brought and then invalidated by the government employees then, are we talking about big high-tech firms by chance that end up lobbying a lot of Congress critters and twisting a lot of arms. I'm just curious, you know, where has this come from? Yeah, yeah. Well, certainly, big tech, look, these guys are very smart. They don't want to have future competition. And, you know, I've got to tell you, a whole lot of big corporations think that way.

Well, the thing is, that's kind of where we've been sliding for quite some time. They always talk about, well, we won competition in the market. No, no, no, no. So we actually have a lot of protected cartels and or monopolies, really. And I know some people may disagree with me about this, but we talk about the capitalistic system, but it really is we have competing monopolies, arguably, in many industries, okay? And look, and look at what's happened over the last, you know, decade plus, you know, a handful of large corporations, multinational corporations, are moving toward becoming unstoppable monopolies.

Well, why? Because they don't have competition from startups. Where are the startups, the startups are getting crushed because they can't defend their patent rights. What's an example of a patent right which should have been with and stayed with the little guy, but then the big boys end up getting the government to say, nope, no patent. Can you give me an example or two? Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Here's a really good example. An inventor in Texas, his name is David Furry.

in Texas, think about oil pipelines and oil refineries, very often, or at oil derricks, they'll have a pinhole leak, and they're leaking out toxic gases, and you can't see, you can't see it with the naked eye. So the things like ethylene, right? So the technology that was available for finding these leaks was very limited. It was called a sniffer. You had to walk along a pipeline, and it might or might not catch it, and it was very inefficient, didn't work very well, very slow, and it was a big problem. And David Furry figured out a solution, and he invented a camera. When you point this camera at that thing, that invisible leak looks like a black plume of smoke.

And you could actually take this camera and fly a helicopter along a pipeline and spot the leaks and fix them. And this thing, it even got the Texas EPA said that it lowered the level of, ethylene in the air in Houston by 60%. That sounds like a pretty cool invention. All right. Yeah, and needed. And this is what you want inventors for, because, you know, who else is going to go out there and try to spend their time and money and their wives are arguing with them because

they're not working or whatever, you know, and they take a big risk to come out with something that actually could make a big change. And, of course, a lot of these things don't work out. It ends up, you know, a crazy idea that didn't pan out. But every now and then it's very important, and that's what you need to incentivize. So he invented this thing, it's fabulous, works, he is patented, he has a big company, he's working with it, on it, they're going to, they're going to license it from him, and then they say, well, we decided we changed our mind. They simply just copy it, and he tries to sue them for infringement. They get him into this administrative court. Okay, so who tried to copy his invention? I'm just, what was that? Oh, gosh, I should have that name for you. I will provide that.

Okay, no, was it the company that he was working for or working with? He was independent. Oh, he's an independent. Okay. And there was a company working, there was a company that was going to license it from him, and they were working with him together. Oh, they were going to license his invention, okay, which means they would have paid him so he would have made some money from his invention.

And let me guess, was this a big company with lots of backing and lawyers? Oh, yes. Okay, all right. A lot of lawyers, a lot of money, and they've since been acquired for a huge amount of money, partly because his invention was so valuable. But bottom line is they were able to invalidate his patent and simply take what he had invented. And this had happened over and over. I'll tell you something that's more – a lot of people – maybe a little closer to people is –

And now, before we move forward with this – on this camera technology, then, what did they claim that it was based on someone else's patent, and then he couldn't have a patent on it, or it was because of, you know, someone else's censor. You know, what was the rationale that the government gained for invalidating that patent? Yeah, so when you get a patent, what one of the things the Patent Office looked at is all of the previous things that have been invented, either invented or just out there in the public domain.

That's called prior art. They look at all the prior art. And they look at all that to see, was there anything that's like, that's what In fact, is there anything that is exactly what you did or close enough to it that yours isn't really novel? Okay, not unique. Okay, I get that. Right. And so when you get a patent, the patent office is saying, okay, we've looked at all this. They show all the prior art they've looked at it.

It's in your patent application or in what they published on the website, and they say, for these reasons, yours is novel, and you get your patent. So he was granted the patent, but then the court ended up invalidating that, or this fake court. All right. So what they do, and again, this may be a little too much in the weeds for some of your viewers, but this is this is the truth. One of the key issues is, is it non-obvious? Okay.

Non-obvious is a very subjective term. Would somebody of skill in the art has come up with it easily? Now, look, it's a subjective term. The Patent Office says, yeah, we think it's non-obvious. This administrative court, they can look at the same prior art, and they can say, well, we think it's obvious. And there goes your patent. How about that? Is there any appeal of the administrative court?

Yeah, there is an appeal. You appeal to the Court of Appeals of the Federal Circuit, okay? And unfortunately, most of the time, about 65% of the time, they simply go along with what the administrative court, which is, by the way, called the PTAB, the patent trial and appeal board. But they physically just go along with the PTAF. And by the way, very often what you get, instead of... So you do your appeal, you think of, okay, I'm finally going to make my argument, I'm going to get justice, the right decision is going to be made because the PTAB was so wrong and so unfair and we know they got it wrong.

And you go to the, you do your appeal, and very often, all you get is a one-line response, which is, you know, they affirm the PTAB's decision. It's called a Rule 36. That's, boy, not even telling you, so giving you no meat, really, just, yeah, we affirm it. Okay. Getting you the impression, you don't even know if they even looked at it. They don't make an argument. They don't say why they agree with it. And it's just a slap in the face.

And so what we're doing is we're fighting through our own lobbying and working with. And by the way, let me reintroduce you for people who may have just joined us. I'm talking with Randy Ladrono, and he's the president of U.S. inventor. It's usinventor.org, and he's an advocate for restoring rights to American creators and inventors, which is what we're talking about because I'm just, now, I'm not picking on Apple, I'm just going to say, but the world is kind of set up that, you know, heads, Apple, and Google would win, and tails the inventors lose. Would that be a fair assessment of the way the system is currently constructed in the United States?

Yeah, yeah, totally. All right. In fact, in fact, look, this will kill you. There have been some cases of unbelievable conflicts of interest at that administrative court. Here's a perfect example involving Apple. So, again, Apple's one of the biggest users of this administrative court. I'm not sure if they're the biggest, but they're way up there along with Samsung and Google and all those guys. So there was an attorney who was working for Apple defending them against infringement charges in private practice.

practice and what is his name? Clements. I can't remember his first name. And he then became a judge, an administrative judge for the PTAB. And then, and was hearing cases regarding Apple, of which they won 24 of 25. But he was with Apple, you said before, right? Prior, yes. Oh, yeah. No problem. No problem. No problem. That reminds me so much of the way that that vaccines would get evaluated over at the FDA and CDC. Totally. Okay. Totally.

I mean, it's a perfect example. And so then one of my key colleagues goes to a PTAB case in Washington, D.C. That one of our members is going through against Apple. And he sees, wait a minute, there's this attorney, Clemens. He's no longer with a T-TAP. He's now working for Apple again. And he's the guy fighting the case against our member. Oh, so it's the revolving door of influence peddling.

Absolutely. got it absolutely oh my god what could be done about this because i don't have a lot more time today it's a i understand where you're coming from i was wondering what you were talking about what inventors rights uh were we talking about because well i know you got patent rights but i didn't realize that they had been watered down this way what could be done and what are you looking to do and how could we help out yeah well we we by the way so we are the group us inventor dot org we're the group fighting to restore these rights we've been doing this for a number of years, and right now we're getting closer, we're closer than ever to actually succeeding

at it. We're a national grassroots organization. And by the way, what we're really trying to do is get good law passed. There are two bills, one by Thomas Massey, who by the way is an inventor himself, an engineer. I didn't know that. Yep, went to MIT, had about 30 patents, had a startup based on his patents. He actually lives off-grid in Kentucky, and he engineers all the stuff he's living off of it. Now, I think he's just trying to hide from a primary challenge from the administration right now, but I digress. I know. Okay. We wish he were in a better position with our president. But the bottom line is he is a huge ally, and he is on the IP subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, which is where this gets, you know, presented as law. He has a bill called

rally of restoring America's Leadership and Innovation Act that fixes everything that gets rid of this administrative court. There is another bill. And by the way, and by the way, I would want inventors to have a jury trial. The evidence is put out there, and then they come. And then there's something that's more easily appealable either way, I would think, you know, one way or the other, isn't there, when you end up having these jury trials rather than the administrative court appeals? Or am I wrong about that? The thing about a jury trial is you, have all of the experts and you have all of the due process that's involved and nuances are discussed and litigated and the truth comes out and if they're guilty they're guilty

and if they're not guilty they're not guilty right okay it is the way to go and so so what yeah the right to a jury trial is key for its whole thing so thomas massey's bill fixes it by getting rid of that administrative court and fixing a couple of other issues we don't have time to talk about there's another bill that marcy captor is the lead sponsor and thomas massey is the co-lead, which is called the Balancing Incentives Act, which simply says the patent holder has to consent to going to that administrative court. Ah, I like that. I like that, too.

And by the way, Thomas Massey is the co-lead on, I'm sorry, Marcy Captors is the co-lead on Thomas Massey's bill, too. So they're both co-leads on those two bills. But where you, all of your members, your viewers can help us, is go to usinventor.org and sign our inventor rights resolution, okay? If you sign that, you'll be in our system, if we have a key call to action where we need your U.S. representative or your senator to vote for or against something on this issue, we'll let you know, and we'll get you involved in this whole process, and you can help restore

American innovation. I would imagine that a lot of the lobbying, though, comes from very, very large firms in Congress, and that's a real uphill battle. That's what you're fighting right now, isn't it? Well, it's a huge uphill battle, and they have all the money, and they make all the donations, which I don't know. You know, money is too powerful in D.C., as we know. We don't have the money, but we have numbers.

We have over 60,000 members across the country. We've been able to stop every bad bill since that first bill simply by getting enough people involved in calling their U.S. reps and their senators and writing them emails and telling them why they should go against something, or in this case, what we're about to do to go for something. So it's very important that we get constituents across the country really involved in this process.

And by the way, what we're dealing with right now is why China is about to take the lead in almost every new technology. It's because American startups can't get funding like they used to be able to because funders, investors say, wait a minute. You're not going to be able to protect your patent. right exactly exactly um and of course we have to have these monopolies you know managed by having competition and uh and of course if you invent something it's your birthright as an american to be able to do something with it to have patent rights if you actually invent something valuable so that's

what we're fighting for and it's it's actually a very bipartisan issue um i would hope so totally because, you know, how is it that the big corporation should be able to easily crush the little guy? Well, that's a very democratic issue. So we are, but I will tell you this, Trump is helping a lot. The Trump administration has done a lot to help on the side of the Patent Office because he's appointed a Patent Office director who's really doing good things to help us, and Big Tech is, like, very upset with him. Okay, well, that's a good development, though, but that law needs change, though, like you had mentioned, for the reasons we've been discussing.

I know there's a lot of that in the weeds. Some of it you have to go into the weeds a little bit. I think my listeners can grasp that and dig into it with you, so don't worry about that, all right? But really interesting story, Randy, Randy Ladrono, and it's the director of U.S.inventor, usinventor.org. Please sign up. I'm going to do that today and get on this because. Restoring United States innovation also requires that people who invent this stuff be able to profit and get the investment from it. And that has been a problem over these last 10 years for many people, okay?

Thanks so much, Randy. For all your members, definitely find the inventor rights resolution, and thank you for your health. All right. Pleasure meeting you. We'll have you back. This is KMED and KMED HD-1. Eagle Point Medford, KBXG Grants Pass.