Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 12-09-25_TUESDAY_8AM

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Open phones, D62 quiz, Open for Biz with Lisa McClease-Kelly from Network in Action plus two members, Charlie Kirschenmann Owner and Lead Tech Guru at Rogue Tech Pros and Tonja Andreatta with Andreatta Waterscapes

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausorring.com. Steve is in Sunny Valley. Hello, Steve. What were you hoping to have asked Herman Berchiger about? Go ahead. Well, there's this group of citizens for responsible government in Josephine County.

Headed up by Jane, well, Slamma, something like that. I don't know how to pronounce her name. just moved up from Cayuma, California, claims to be nonpartisan, and I wanted, I wanted Herman's take on her claim of nonpartisanship, because it sure seems to me like if you are trying to sneak a recall in on an off-time election to get the minorities will put on over the majority, that's pretty partisan. Just the act itself is proof of partisanship. Yeah, and to think that a recall election rolling for a couple of weeks during the Christmas and New Year holiday season. Gee.

Because, yeah, because government is the religion of the left. The conservatives have more important things to think about, but that is all, I mean, like Mondami said, there is no problem too big or too small for government, which is exactly against what Jefferson and Reagan said. Yeah, completely a different way of looking at that. I would imagine, not that I would ever put words in Herman's mouth, but the claims of non-partisanship, I would argue with that, okay? Yeah. All right.

That was my question for Herman. I think there are a lot of conservatives who are taken in by this because they are going after conservatives' blind spots, which is waste and abuse. Fair enough. Appreciate the call. All right. Thanks, Steve. minor dave hair dave what's going on there sir well see i know uh ron smith he's a personal friend i even went to his wedding oh you did i know him to be a highly ethical uh man by the way

he's a minority he's Cherokee indian by the way i didn't know that and uh right uh you know he didn't look like it but he years well i don't know i could see him i could see him as an extra in the outlaw, Josie Wales or something, you know? Oh, yeah, easily. I wanted to say... Just having fun with you, Ron. Okay, there we go. Yeah.

So I'd like to say that he's a very ethical, ethical man, and maybe he stated it poorly, but maybe there's a conflict of interest because his supporters may, you know, be pressuring for this guy or that guy, and maybe he feels dual royalties. because he is a very loyal person. I guess the challenge, though, is that when you are brought on to the county commission, that there are times you have to make very difficult decisions. Yeah, but there's times you have to call it conflict of interest and recruit yourself. And, you know, politicians haven't been doing that.

So what could possibly be his conflict of interest in choosing the best replacement for Andreas Black? It could be that he had donors that donated to his campaign and he has more than one that are competing. That would be a conflict of interest. Okay. But it's okay that if Dave Daniels has this conflict or if Wally Hicks has this conflict or if the... Well, they should all recuse themselves as they do. And then we end up having Governor Kotech select the commission. Well, yeah, except that we can do a recall on them.

And by the way, there's a recall going against her. Maybe she won't want to bite off more than she can choose. I don't believe there's a recall on Tina Kotech. That died. I don't know if it's staled or not. Yeah, I thought that died because of a procedural issue. Now, I know they're fighting for that, but that's another conversation. I think a recall in an election year, it's like, why bother?

But that's just me. Well, me, I don't like recalls. No. Because you can just vote them out at the next term. Yeah, to me, if you're going to do recall elections, recall elections should well, to me, the ultimate recall election is during the general election when you're electing these people in the first place. Okay?

That's the way I look at. All right. Thank you, Dave. Catch up on the rest of the news here in just a moment. Happy to take your calls. And Diner 62 Quiz will be coming up. Have a lot of fun. Good stuff.

Honey, we're out of water again. Did you call clouds or drilling to discuss a replace... And Thursday, quiet weather through the weekend. And we have the Kim Commando Digital Update coming up here in just a moment. Then right after that, we're going to do this at a different time. The Diner 62, Real American Quiz. Diner 62 just has just amazing, amazing food. One of my favorite things which was brought recently is, in fact, there's so much meat that they gave me half of a breakfast burrito.

and I was still stuffed by the time. I don't know how you could eat a whole one, but that Bryce and I ended up splitting one the other day. But just absolutely delicious with the meat and the cheese and all the rest of it. We had that. There was also the steak fajita salad, which to me is the finest salad. Nobody would ever complain about eating a salad again

if you ended up getting a steak fajita salad from Diner 62. But that's how they work it. That's how they work it just south of White City. Hot open-faced sandwiches are back. They have the pot-roast sandwich served up with mashed potatoes and brown gravy. Hot turkey sandwich also available with gravy and cranberry sauce. It's wonderful. They do that every year, okay?

So if you have not won this in the last 60 days, try winning it next. 7705-633-7-0-K-M-E-D, and we'll start it off here in about three minutes, okay? This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit fontanarroofing services.com. K294A.S. Ashland. And it's the Diner 62 Real American Quiz. It may be pebble in your shoe Tuesday, but I don't think anyone's pebble in your shoe would be if you won this. And Aaron's the first person up.

Hey, Aaron, how you doing this morning? I'm doing, Kay Bill. Great. Aaron, let's see if we can make you a winner. Now, it was yesterday in history, December 8, 1794. Fire destroyed a whole bunch of New Orleans. French quarter. A group of boys playing in a New Orleans courtyard lost control of a fire to gusty winds. The ensuing blaze engulfs buildings in the French quarter, it was a devastating blow, a colony of Spain at that time. New Orleans still in the process of rebuilding after a fire

had hit that part of New Orleans just six years earlier. How many buildings were burned in the French quarter fire that struck prior to 1788? They had a couple hundred before. Was it 50, 250, 450, 450, 650, 650, or 850 buildings burnt to the ground back then. What do you think, Aaron? It's one of five. Shot in the dark, I'll just go with 650. You're going to go with 650? I'm sorry, and the shot didn't work this time.

But I appreciate you. Let me go to Kathy. Hello, Kathy. We're looking for how many buildings were burnt to the ground because, boy, everything seemed to burn in New Orleans from time to time. Was it 50, 250, 450, 450, or 850 buildings? 450. 450. Oh, it wasn't that either.

Yeah, so we go to Clint. Oh, Clint, it's not 450. But it could be 50, 250, or 850 buildings burnt to the ground. What do you say? 850. Yeah. You got a Clint. An even more devastating fire swept through New Orleans.

800, it destroyed 856 of its 1,100 buildings, most of them, of course, made of Cyprus wood, pretty abundant around that and also pretty flamy, as the thing would be. And the new building requirements after that, Clint ended up changing the face of the growing city, giving it a look of other Spanish colonial cities of the woodhomes built by the French, were replaced as a result, and the signing of the Louisiana Purchasement Control of New Orleans, transferred to the U.S., but the earlier Spanish colonial influence on the architecture remains, and you're going to remain yourself to Diner 62. Clint, hang on, okay?

Awesome, thank you. Get you right there. You'll really enjoy that $20 gift certificate. We'll have another one of those later this week. Picture it. A backyard party. The grill is hot, and your friends are swimming in your newly heated pool. Take you your calls at 7705-633. Brad's here.

Hello, Brad. Good to hear from you. What's up? Might help if I push the button, though. Good morning, Brad. how are you welcome yeah hi bill hi so so there's a really important thing that's happening tomorrow that that um i want to visit with you about but but real quick can i talk about dan rafield just real quick sure uh dan rayfield is the attorney general and herman was talking about

that last hour a little bit the right right so he's been he's been attorney general uh he got elected in 2022. So, so, but the thing about Dan Reefield that a lot of people should know is, is that almost 50% of his campaign budget came from outside of Oregon. And he's a trial attorney. Now, there's nothing wrong with trial attorneys, but normally you'd think of, you know, the AG, you're doing a lot of prosecution, you're looking to organized crime, that sort of thing. This is a, I mean, his career is essentially just suing people. That, that's his background. And the- In fact, wasn't he also involved? involved in a lot of insurance, you know, insurance suits, that kind of thing?

So I don't know the catalog of the type of cases that he worked on. I just know that he was a trial attorney. He didn't do any prosecutor. He wasn't a prosecutor. He just, he's what we call a civil attorney, right? There's civil law and criminal law. He practiced civil law. I mean, for lack of a better term, he didn't know anything about criminal law.

That's not normally who you elect to be your attorney general. that the other candidate, Will Lathrop, 95% of Will Lathrop's campaign budget came from inside the state of Oregon. So, you know, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, I think you want somebody who knows something about the law representing it. And the Attorney General is answerable to the people of Oregon because it's an elected position. It's not appointed. It's elected. I guess the question I would have for you, Brad, something about this is that, okay, most of Dan Rayfields, political money came from outside, do you think that's something that should be... Yeah, do you think that is something that should be changed?

And I can see both sides of this because it seemed to me that Oregonians' money and Oregonian's political help should be involved in the election of Oregon's elected leaders. Okay, I get that. And yet at the same time, I'll know that, well, when there's something, going on in another state. I've contributed to some people from out of state, and so I would be looked at as that outsider. You think there's any way that could be cleaning that up a bit here because I could understand why people could really be irritated by outside money, really choosing their people, and Oregon is a very good petri dish of that kind of behavior. You know that?

Bill, I think you're absolutely right. I think you're completely right. You know, whether you're a Republican or a Democrat or a non-affiliated voter, you like to think that it's your vote, it's your voice right here inside the state of Oregon that's putting your fingers on the steering wheel of who's going to represent you when it comes to doing this stuff, and you're right. When you have the majority of this funding coming from outside the state of Oregon, you've got to ask questions like, where did all this money come from, and what's the agenda of the people that paid this money and so on and so forth? Right.

And you're absolutely right. How do you think that could be better designed because there are no political contributions limited in the state of Oregon? Do you think there should be? I don't know about the actual limit, but I think there should, you know, what you said, I think is a very good discussion is, where is the money coming from? If the money is coming from inside the state of Oregon, from actual Oregon citizens, I'm not sure there needs to be a limit on that. but I think there should definitely be a conversation about limiting money from outside the state of Oregon, especially when over half of the budget of the Attorney General came from outside the state of Oregon.

I think that would trouble a lot of people. Yeah, it's just the appearance of undue influence, and why is it that people outside of the area would be so focused on who the Attorney General was in the state of Oregon? Yeah, yeah. So, Bill, I understand that there is a person that has had such an impact on the community over such a long period of time that they are going to be receiving a very important, unique award from the county commissioners tomorrow. Would you happen to know who this person is? Yeah, that would be me. You know, Bill, can you give yourself a real American salute?

You know, okay, okay, I'll give you one for bringing it up. You know, I'm uncomfortable talking about this kind of stuff, though, you know? But, yeah, but yet it's an honor, and I'm honored to receive it. This is the Chairman's Award, the Jackson County Commission. And 9.30 tomorrow morning, I'll be standing up there. And I guess, you know, I'm joining some people who have been great receiving. recipients in the past, like Darcy Man's self. My gosh, you know, she was, and he is, Parablasm, you know how that goes.

And some of the work, Kevin Lampson, who got it last year, from Hearts of a Mission, just incredible work with that particular group. Jim Wright, I think, got it the year before Darcy, you know, in 2022, if I recall. And it's, yeah, the chairman gets to select one person from the community, and I got it this time around. I'm honored. That's all I can say and thank you. Right. Well, you know, it's a big deal because it's not just the community. You know, it's all of Jackson County. You've got about 220,000 people, give or take, maybe 2.30. And it's only one person once a year that gets selected for this honor. And to get selected for it, I'm telling you, you know, I can tell that because of your humility,

you might be a little bit uncomfortable. Bill, I'm telling you, it's kind of a big deal. Okay. I will treat it as such tomorrow and, say, should I, should I wear like, you know, a gold LeMay suit or something like that? Should I do an Elvis or what? I think, I think your normal business casual attire will work just fine. And Bill, I just want to tell you, it couldn't happen to them more deserve it. There's thousands and thousands of people out there right now that are going, yes, we completely agree with this and good job Bill Meyer.

Well, that's very kind of you. Hey, Brad, you're going to be there tomorrow? Will I see you? I am absolutely planning on being there. Yes, I am. Okay, looking forward to it because it's open to the public. People can be there, so at 930, and that's first thing. First thing after the Pledge of Allegiance, they do that.

So we'll see what happens. That's exactly right. All right. Thanks, brother, Brad. Take care. Take care, Bill. 770-633-770 KMED in you or on the Bill Meyer show. As your family and our family and our.

gather for the holidays. Sons.com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. Tifer open for business. We talk with locally owned operating good business people here and say, hey, do business with these people. Don't play around with these big bucks folks. They don't care.

They don't have to. I guess. Let me talk with Lisa McLeese-Kelly once again. And she's the Queen Bee, at least here in Southern Oregon. And as far as I'm concerned, network in action. How are you doing? Lisa, good to have you back. I'm good.

Happy to be back. All right. Tell us a little bit about what you're doing here. Being the QB, QC, or Quaint of Connections, I guess is really. Tell us about network and action. So network and action is where we bring business professionals and business owners together once a month. We have three different groups. We have a Christian group, a Medford group, and a Grants Pass group.

And we meet on, like I said, once a month. And we have a different agenda every month. learn to grow as people, business owners, and of course, grow our business and refer each other. And you have brought two more people from their groups, right? I did. I brought Tanya Andrea Adrieta from Andiata Waterscapes and Charlie Cushman from Rogue Tech Pros. Okay. And just because he's wearing a shirt, well, I guess you're both wearing blue shirts. I think you're blue shirts, right? Okay, all right. Well, we'll go with the dark blue shirt first. All right. Hey, Charlie, how you doing this morning? Tell us a little

bit about your connection here with network and action. And you are the owner and lead guru. What's the business? You got it. I'm the owner of rogue tech pros. And keeping IT simple, keeping it simple. Yes, sir. Kind of your deal. Now, you've been helping people, a lot of businesses for a long time. You do understand that the, the IT person is like one of the, next to the payroll person is like the most important person to have the businesses these days. Tell us what you've been doing and what's your kind of way of approaching life, huh? Yeah, I agree. And I'm glad you appreciate that. So I like to do everything with integrity and making sure that my local businesses are up and running,

but we handle everything from cybersecurity to backups to keeping their network running simple, so they can focus on running their business and doing what they do best. Okay, so they're not worrying about the latest Windows update or the latest scam, right? Now we handle all that for them. What should we be worrying about this time of year, especially when it comes to the scams? Yeah, so this time of year is the highest increase for Amazon. UPS, FedEx impersonations. So just double-checking where that email is coming from

and not downloading attachments from Amazon because they're not going to send them to you. One other common one that went around from one of our local tech companies was an Adobe attachment that said it's too big for your inbox. So we sent a secure login here. Don't do that.

Yeah, when they're asking for your credentials, that kind of thing. By the way, since you're in IT, is there any way you could formulate those? I want you to, could you build those packages that blow up when you have the porch pirates come out? I love those videos. I love those so much.

Especially the ones in which people are going, I'm going to sue you. It's like, no, you're not. No, you're trying to steal something. Okay. And the police officer was going, hey, was that a package yours? No. Those are fantastic. I love it. But anyway, what do you think is really special, though, with your relationship and how has it worked for you

with a network and action? Tell us a bit about that experience because that's what this is all about. Absolutely. So I've been in network and action for about a year and half in two groups. One of the things I love is it's not just about building up connections or like I met Tanya here through that and we get along great and I'm able to refer her business. But one of our last meetings, not only was it partnering with another business to collaborate to build up each other, but it was about collaborating to give back to the community and do things in the community. So not just for us, but. Yeah, well, give me an example of that then, that, you know,

helping out the community. A common one that goes around in January and February. February is the wipeout hunger where we collaborate with Kelly's automotive to sponsor spots to raise money for the food banks in Jackson and Josephine County, which I love. And I brought my kids along and they love it too. And so it builds another generation of that too. Okay, well, tell us how people can get in touch with Rogue Tech Pros. Yeah, so you can reach me atrogatechpros.com or hello atrogatechpros.com or my phone number is 541-299-2100.

Okay. And next, ladies and gentlemen, we have Tanya, Andrea with Andrietta Waterscapes. Step it up to the talk bar. Good morning. How you doing? I'm really well. Thank you. Hey, tell us about your waterscapes.

I'm intrigued by the beauty here because, boy, I need to do something beautiful in my yard. Of course, Linda's yelling at me right now. Yeah. But tell us a bit about that. Well, we feel at Andrea Waterscapes that it's not just landscaping. It's mental health construction. Like, we really want to get you to. reconnect with yourself, nature, and each other.

A nice backyard provides an opportunity to gather family, a place to talk, and water features in specific are kind of like fire where all generation can enjoy it, sit back, relax, look at it. Your kids can get involved feeding the fish, naming them, and it's just a nice way to get kids outside as well and explore the outdoors. Now, if you're going to name the goldfish or the name the coy, is that what it is Either way. Okay, if you name them, you know you won't eat them.

It's true, it's true. I don't know. The neighborhood cat may not, you know, look at it this way. How long have you been doing this? Just curious. Oh, gosh, about 20 years now. 20 years. We're all over 20.

What is, is this something which has been growing people, they're starting to understand more of the need, especially in our typical urban landscape to have. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it's really important to wildlife as we've kind of filled in wetlands. And, I mean, birds in specific in the winter, stay warmer as they can stay clean. So they bathe and drink out of these little tiny water features.

And so it actually is kind of an important environmental aspect to our backyards. Okay. Now, I'm glad you brought that up about the birds too, because one of the most important things we can do is have an unfrozen form of water out there. Yeah, exactly. And that's the challenge when people will have a bird bath. I think they're helping out the birds. but that will freeze in our coldest temperatures.

And how large are some of these water escapes or water features? I mean, is it like small, tiny ones to bigies? Yeah, we definitely do from small like a fountain or some bubbling pillars to very large, half a million gallons of water, everywhere in between. Boy, half a million gallons? Yes, that's a pretty big pond, yeah. It's a small lake. Any public ones?

I'm just kind of curious that we're private. Okay, all right. So you're not doing the public contract. acting thing, huh? Not so far. Usually it's just private, but it's great for fire prevention. You have a fire pond.

Hey, I didn't think about that. Yeah. And then make it pretty at the same time. Exactly. So you're making it more than just a utilitarian then. Absolutely. And I do want to say

for people that own ponds in the spring, we do offer spring cleaning. Just kind of like nature, when it rains and floods and washes everything out, we kind of do the same thing where we go into an enclosed system, drain it, clean it, and get it ready for the following season so that's something we offer this coming spring and it's a good time to get on the list

all right so uh well where do you go to get on that list then huh yes our website is www andrietta waterscapes dot com and the phone number is 541 664-4-4511 now it's a lot of backbreaking work i would imagine in some ways or are you just all the excavators have names because so you don't eat them either i don't eat them and we have a great A great crew, and I invest heavily in equipment because... Oh, good. Definitely. Okay.

I don't know, you kind of look like you work on the outside, though. You're using a lot of sunscreen? No, I don't believe in sunscreen for myself. That's okay. That's fine. Tell us about your experience then with network and action. Yeah, it's been a really wonderful experience. I've been involved for just under a year now, and it was really my first time kind of

taking off my work boots and coming in and networking with folks in the community. and I just really enjoy it. It's not only grown my personal relationships and my business relationships, but as Charlie was alluding, that we do a lot involved with the community. My family this year, we took some of, I'm going to say, Lisa's kids,

but there were cards that she had brought in for United Way kids, and so we adopted a couple of those to just provide Christmas for and other events that we do through the year. And so, yeah, really enjoy that aspect. And it is community building as in the group of us that get to know each other and start supporting each other. Excellent. Well, I'm going to make sure and put up

both of your businesses' information on my website here today. And I just appreciate you coming in. And anything that could make the world a little more beautiful, a little more friendly, especially to nature, especially our city and urban spaces, right? It's really good for this. Yes. And it's, once again, Tanya, Andrietta, with Andrietta. Is it Andrea or Andrea? Andrea. Andrietta. Okay.

Hey, I see. Tomato, it's all good. See, I told you. I was always concerned about screwing up people's name. Andrietta. Andrea Waterscapes. Okay, we'll get that up there. But thanks.

Thanks, Phil. Good talking with you. Now, Lisa, these people, of course, are within your various groups here. But there are always room for more of these people on network and action, aren't there? Yep. There's, we have room for mortgage brokers in our Christian group, in our Grants Pass group, we have room for massage therapist in all three groups. I'd like to get another HVAC company and an electrician in as well.

And we have more openings, but if we can focus on those today, that would be great. And the point being, though, is that in every one of these network and action groups, there's only one type of that particular business in it. It's not like you have the HVAC people competing against themselves in the group. It's like one of each, right? Correct. And actually for the people who are in the trades, they get to be. a member in all three groups for the same price as somebody else who would be just a member

in one group. All right. Because it's so hard for them to make the meetings, we have something special for them. All right. Very good. S-O networking.com? Yes. All right.

S-O-networking.com. And you can talk with Lisa McLeese-Kelly. Of course, you know her through Kelly's Automotive in Medford and Grants Pass and all sorts of other things. But anyway, thank you, Queen Bean. Thank you. And we'll see you next time around. and Merry Christmas if I don't see you before then, okay?

Merry Christmas. And Merry Christmas to you both, too. Thank you very much. Open for business here on KMED. It's 849. Coming up next. Oh, well, I just knocked over Lisa Kelly's coffee. I'll be cleaning that up, and then we're going to be given away some goodies, okay?

We'll do that here in just a minute. Are you turning 65 and entering Medicare this Southern Sundari, and I'm on KMED? It's night before nine. Open phones on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. And Dawn is here. Hello, Dawn. How are you? Hi, well, Bill.

I wanted to congratulate you on your award tomorrow. It's very well-deserved. Oh, thank you. Very kind. Yes. Well, you indirectly helped me through a guest that you had in your show, and I mentioned her last week, the Gianna Maselli. Yes.

Yeah. Basically, we all have the right to own private property and have private economic activity. and at her university, she kind of, we learn all about the Constitution that everybody's forgotten about and the Bill of Rights and Supreme Court decisions and how we get our power back. I think part of that could be done through the property tax, which if I had to pay or the IRS, escaping their contracts, I mean, we've got to get our power back some way. So you're thinking that the property tax is,

part of getting power back or not? I'm just curious. I'm not quite sure. Well, we look at the control of Garks agenda for 2040 and how they want to have everybody locked down and you're going to have to have permission to go anywhere, basically 20-minute cities. How do we put a wrench in that works? And I think part of that can be done through the property tax that, because I feel like it doesn't go where it needs to go. They're giving us wide-walking. and Medford and, you know. Oh, oh, okay, well, you know, yeah, the property tax, well, I'm not a big fan of the property tax in the first place, would you agree on that? Yeah, it's not, it needs to be, when you have more accountability, there's.

What do you think would be a more accountable system then, rather than, you know, as it is, there's income tax, there's sales tax, of course, the way that government wants to do is that they always like to have multiple, they always call it multiple legs on the stool. You'll always hear that as kind of, well, you know, we need a sales tax, and we need a property tax, and we need an income tax, et cetera, et cetera. What do you think works better in your view for keeping accountability and power within the thing? Because government does have to have some funding mechanism in order to function, sure. Right, but at the federal level, they can print money from nothing. So how is there an accountability there?

And all the billions and billions that they've given to foreign countries, you take care of your own people first. You don't do all the things our federal government does. Now, really, what you're talking about is, gee, if the government would only just work through its enumerated powers, but it hasn't done that for a long time. Yeah, and part of that's the administrative state. A lot of that is that has nothing to do with me the people really doesn't. People are getting into contracts that have nothing to do with them. They're, you know, whether it's getting a license to go hunting and fishing, and then, oh, it's a free with, oh, you can actually visit your National Parks Free this weekend.

Well, you know what? It belongs to the people. Yeah, it is, it is kind of insulting that a government does have a tendency to put a fee box up in front of anything that you might actually like that it does. Everything you don't like, well, you know, you're paying fees to it without any. And we're becoming more enslaved with the camera traffic system. I mean, that's not accountable to anybody. You know, but there was one thing I was going to bring up here, Dawn. And speaking of the traffic cameras,

and this is kind of even going back to what I was talking about with Mr. Rex a couple of hours ago, that Baker City ended up turning down the Oregon Department of Transportation's push for the road diet. You know, they did the presentation, the presentation, here's the grant stream funding, et cetera, et cetera. But you know what cities just turned down or have gotten rid of the traffic cameras that you were talking about? Do you know which two cities just did that in Oregon?

No, I don't. Eugene and Springfield. Wow. Yes. Eugene and Springfield got rid of those flock traffic cameras that people have been complaining about here in southern Oregon. And they did it through rising up. and just dealing with the current city councils and the county commissions as they were,

and they just got it to the point where they passed an ordinance, and they're going to be gone. They're gone. Yeah, yeah. Well, we need to do similar things here because every direction I look, we're becoming more enslaved. And whether you're a business or you don't want to pay the IRS, I suggest you look into Gianna Maselli on,

It was in the leanable university. She's now legal fockery. Yeah, I know you said that last time. I wouldn't have known about her if it wasn't for you. Okay. So I probably would not be in my new home right now and not paying taxes on our property because we do own our land and we own our home.

All right. And that wouldn't happen if I hadn't heard your guests. Don, I appreciate that. That's very kind, okay? All right, thank you. Thank you so much. Take care. We have a couple of minutes left here,

and I thought I was going to do more of this right now. but I might just do this maybe I'll do this for a minute or two at the end of every show for the next few days till I'm out of them I have some books I have some certificates here a drive-through admission for

four people at Wildlife Safari and I just have all sorts of goodies here a lot of books that I wanted to give away and maybe the next person or two that wanted to find out I'll just run through it just kind of a little

impromptu Christmas gift to wrap the show up. Okay? What do you think? 7705-633. I'll have time for a couple today. Maybe I'll do a couple for tomorrow. And let's see what we do. Okay. New Butler Ford F-150s, zero down, zero. Okay, 8-58 in change. And I don't know. Who do we have here on line one? Good morning. Hi there. Hello? Yeah, what's your name? Sheila. Sheila? Well, Sheila, you're going to be one of our Christmas winners this morning just because I feel like being Santa Claus, like a little prompt to Santa Claus. Your choice. Wildlife Safari, drive-through admission for four people, or I have one of four books that you can have. Mafia Secrets from Johnny Russo, I talked with him last

week, Gales of November, and that's about the Edmund Fitzgerald from John Bacon, pagan threat by Lucas Miles or 100 Years to Extinction by Peter Solomon. Of those five gifts, what would you want? All those sounds just very tempting, but the Wildlife Safari for four. Safari for four. Hang on. We're going to make you a winner on this one. Let's see if I can grab another quick one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hello. Hello? Hi, who's this? Hi, this is Krishna. Krishna. Wildlife Safari, Johnny Russo, Gales of November, pagan threat, or 100 years to extinction? Wildlife Safari. Okay, so the wildlife safaris are gone. All right. You hang on. All right. Good. Take care of that. Well, tomorrow, it's going to be

books and other things i have okay we'll do that on wheels up news talk 106 3