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Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Kelly Marcotulli is president of Oregon for Safer Technology and raises concerns that Feds are passing a law removing all local control from cell sites and wireless towers. More listener calls, emails of the day follow.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurling.com. Happy to bring on Kelly Mark Coutouli. She's the president of Oregon for safer technology. It's a nonprofit. How you doing this morning, Kelly? Great to have you on.

Thank you, Bill. I'm doing great. Great to be here. Tell us a little bit about this. You live in Southern Oregon. I know this, but what got you into this? into this Oregon for safer technology? What's happening? Right. So a short story here about my history and involvement in Oregon for

safer technology. 2015, about 10 years ago, I was an elementary school teacher in Los Angeles, and I was working in the public school system. At that time, they were putting new Wi-Fi routers into all the schools. And, of course, kids were taking their standardized tests on Chromebooks. So there was a lot of radiation and these new wireless routers that were placed in the classrooms were very strong. As well, at the same time, I was living in a home and I didn't know anything about EMFs or RF radiation, which is radio frequency radiation. And that is what is emitted from your smart meters, your cell towers, your cell phones. And so in my own home,

I had the bank of electrical panel was right next to my, was right outside my bedroom. I drove a Prius, which of course is an electric vehicle, and I used my cell phone constantly. And I had no idea what I was doing to my body on a biological level. Our cells are electrical in nature. That's how they function. We have electrodes functioning throughout our body. And so all this onslaught, this radiation soup, if you will, caused my body to react negatively. I became sick.

I developed horrible tinnitus. I still have it, but it's much more milder now that I have mitigated the RF energy in my environment. And I also get incredible insomnia if I am exposed to a strong Wi-Fi environment. My, I can't sleep. I just can't sleep. And headaches, brain fog, heart palpitations. Some people feel that they are getting an earache and they have incredible pain in their ear. And then you go to the more extreme cases where this RF radiation is, what is it doing to our bodies? There's no way that this magical device that we walk around with these days is not causing something to happen within our bodies. You're ignoring. moreing thousands of studies, actually, some of which were done by the U.S. military back in the 1950s, and they studied the early levels of radiation, which, of course, now it's a joke compared to what we have iPhone 17. Oh, I know what we're all dealing with right now is considerably higher.

And by the way, I'll be the first two. I have spoken with individuals, and I don't think I'm one of those, but there are people who are amazingly sensitive to the radio frequency soups that we do live in with modern technology. In fact, I interviewed an author of a book called The Quiet Zone because there are people that are moving to a section of rural Virginia where no wireless technology is allowed because it's near one of the radio telescopes. And so it's quiet. And Virginia has a huge AI data bank, right? So it's kind of a conundrum there that you have this quiet zone that you just mentioned.

And I've, I mean, in the Safe Tech community, I've heard many stories of people who either escape into the forest, which, thank God, Oregon still has beautiful forest to escape into, or more tragically, people who actually commit suicide because they are so, because doctors don't understand it. and there are more doctors who are taking it up. I mean, there's many safe tech websites, and they have doctors on their board, and they're trying to raise the red flag. But the money involved, Bill, as you probably could attest to in many different instances, money talks. Well, it's also people like their convenience. So, you know, and you're right. The, you know, in what respect is that the Wi-Fi routers that we live with,

I mean, here it is. I'm in the broadcast world. I'm in high power FM broadcast, much lower frequency than the Wi-Fi that we're talking about and everything else. I do all these things. But it's kind of just standard operating procedure has been this way ever since I've been in it. And I'm surrounded by Wi-Fi writers or routers. I always want to say writers. But, yeah, we know this is the case. I guess the thing is, though, we can work on Wi-Fi routers in our home or in a school or something like that.

We can do this. But where a lot of this has been playing out has been every time a new cell phone tower gets put up, right? And I know Ashland and other places have had to put up with a lot of pressure to not put these insensitive areas, I suppose. And you're bringing my attention to a law which is being worked on in Congress right now, which would make it even more difficult to ask any questions about it. What is going on with this on the legal side of it? because we've heard about these battles over the cell towers. Correct, correct. So, H.R. 2289 is a bill that was put in front of the Energy and Commerce Committee last week, and it passed, and it was passed on party lines.

Republicans voted for it. Democrats voted against it. Really? Yep. and you see a flip-flop in both parties of supporting tech and telecom companies. And then, like, in 1996, when the Telecom Act was put into the books, Clinton was the president, and our own Wyden, who's been in office for way too long, my opinion, he was one of the signers on that. Yeah, that's the one that completely deregulated broadcast,

and ended up getting to be the big gold rush. You know, everybody, you know, companies buying up hundreds of stations. That was that time, right? Right after that? Yeah, I'm not familiar with all that part. That'll let you take that. Well, I remember it well. Let me tell you.

You know, you used to have all sorts of limitations on what you could buy as far as a radio station. There were limitations. There were still some limitations, but for the most part, that was one of the clear channels and everybody else just went and bought everything. That was part of that. We were bought out here back of the day. Oh, dear. Yeah.

Yeah. A lot of, a lot of... Yeah, so the Democrats were doing that, and so now the Republicans are in bed with the tech bros, is what you're telling me. That's correct. Okay. So H.R. 2289 is the name of the bill. It now is in the House, and then it goes to the Senate, and then President Trump will choose to either sign it or not sign it. But if you go to our website, OR, the number four, OR4, SAFER Tech, T-E-C-H dot org, you can learn more there and you can take action if you feel that this is an oversight because I didn't really fully explain. Right now there are some local zoning ordinances that are in place that can prevent telecom from AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, from putting a cell phone. tower in sensitive areas.

Okay. Some municipalities, for example, Ithaca, New York, Langley, Washington, Marin County, California, Stanford, Connecticut, they have all put on their books restricted cell tower sightings. We tried this in Ashland. Our city council here did not buy into it, and they pushed back. Medford has no kind of, we met with commissioners. we didn't get a lot of traction there, but there are some guardrails, and this bill would absolutely remove any guardrails. It would give telecom the power and the ability to put a cell

tower next to your home. And I've been fired up about this issue, of course, for as many years as I've known that I'm sensitive, but this has just really raised a lot of red flags because now, and we know that many legislators receive tons of money from telecom and their donation coffers, and that's why many of the legislators turn a blind eye to this issue. Now, Congressman Bentz, isn't he on energy and commerce? He is. Okay. Have you had a chance to talk with him about that? No, disappointingly, I've reached out to him a couple of different times.

I'm not going to give up. We had a meeting with another legislator last night, and he said the issue that the way to win is persistence. And we persist. We don't give up. We keep letting people know, hey, do you know what these devices are doing to your body? Do you know that cancer rates will increase in proximity to a cell tower? Now, don't you normally get the response, though, that you can't prove that?

No. No? Okay. You can point to industry-funded studies, and that is what telecom will do. Oh, it's kind of like vaccine studies paid for by Pfizer, right? Thank you. Okay. Exactly. All right. What could go wrong?

Right, but the independent science is there. So, and you and I talked about this the other day, why are cancer rates going up in areas where people, next to areas where they carry their cell phone? you've got prostate cancer, colon cancer, you have infertility issues. It's huge on the rise. And before I forget to bring this little tidbit up, Australia just decreed that 16-year-olds and under cannot have social media accounts. So that whole psychological aspect of cell phone usage and addiction, you know, It's maybe draconian in that extreme sense.

Some might say that. But the psychological damage that we're doing to our young people right now is well documented. Kelly Mark Atoolee is with me. She's president of Oregon for safer technologies, a nonprofit, focusing, rather, on educating the public about wireless hazards. She sees it here. This House bill, very interesting here, HR 2289, and it would essentially remove all local. authority with anything involving cell towers and wireless transmission. Is that pretty much the bottom line?

That was it? That is pretty much it. Okay. That's an issue, and I've noticed that there seems to be a creeping push to federalize all this. I know that President Trump doesn't want states to have any say on AI. And, of course, this is all connected with the wireless technology, too, for that matter, and that there should be one set of regulation.

here, and some people are making noise about this. So it's more than just the wireless technology, too, from the sounds of it here, Kelly. Oh, definitely. AI is, it's scary. Why, you know, these data centers that I mentioned are football fields huge, and maybe they have three or four on-site employees, but so the jobs are going away in that respect. Hopefully, Oregon will never succumb and put in one of those AI data centers. Their energy hogs. Oh, well, no, Oregon's going to have data centers. You're going to have to learn

to live with that, Kelly. I think that's coming one way or the other. But we'll see. But they tend to be where the dams are. They want the dam electricity up in the northern part. But Kelly, could you hold on just a moment here? And I want to ask you a few more questions about this. Kelly, Markatouli, and if you want to talk with her, too, you have a question. 770, KMED. Oregon Truck and Auto Authority is the Rogue Valley's Spray on Bedliner leader for 20 years running. We are excited to upgrade our Spray on Bedliner product to Legacy Protective. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063KMED.

The question warming its way through Congress right now is that should cities, states, counties, should any local government have no say on anything involving a cellular tower or wireless service? Well, Congress apparently is working on that, and Kelly Markatouli, the president of Oregon for safer technology, is fighting this right now. Kelly, we have people to have questions and comments on this, okay? I'm just going to head to it. We're going to go to Peter first, hey, Peter? What do you think? Good morning. I was just going to say, make three points. First, that if you look at, well, they probably don't have instructions on cell phones anymore, but I've always read the instructions when I've got a new cell phone in the past, and they all make a point of, don't put this against, you know, don't keep this against your body, which, of course, nobody pays attention to that, you know, in your bra and stuff like that. stupid um second one is that the towers uh i've noticed when i've had to go back and forth across

the country that motels that they like to obviously that's an income source for them so they're trying to put them up wherever they can and if you're not careful you find yourself in your motel room and there's a cell tower like right next to you um the last one is that in Europe, my impression, I don't know if this is correct or not. I don't know if she has a comment on this, that it's not allowed. Wi-Fi is not allowed in the schools anymore, and I believe in New Mexico, they've really been trying to take steps to actually get it out of the schools. All right. Well, Peter, thank you for the call and comment. And Kelly, can you weigh in to anything that Peter was mentioning there? Yes, yes. Thank you, Peter, for your comments and your question. And you're

exactly right. You're so phone manual in your, in the actual phone will tell you exactly what you just said that you are not supposed to hold it against your skin. And the question you had about European countries, they have a

a excuse me, lower level of radiation? Thank you. Okay. That is a lot. Not to put words in your mouth, I thought that's where you were going. Okay. I appreciate it. All right. No, that's Great. And France is one country that I will say. I don't know if it's all of France, but they have taken the Wi-Fi out, completely out of the schools, for the very reasons that we've talked about the psychological and the radiation that is pounding at these kids every day on a daily basis. It's just really wrong in that respect.

So I really appreciate you listening and understanding the issue. And you're right about hotels. I can't go and stay at any hotel that has the Wi-Fi. I try to find an Airbnb when I travel, and I have to contact them and say, is there a way to turn off the Wi-Fi router in your Airbnb? Because it's just an accepted form of living now, that everything will have a Wi-Fi password, and you're connected right away. Yeah, okay. We've got to Peter, not Peter, rather. Michael, Michael, you wanted to comment on this, too.

Go ahead. Yeah, I would totally agree with everything she just said. I can't even be in the area of Wi-Fi. I just started crazy at all kinds of different symptoms, but headaches and all. Ear ringing is the main one. I can't even sleep at night. It's so loud at night that I can go outside and plug my ears, no ear ringing. I go in and lay on my bed.

My ears are ringing so bad, I can barely sleep. But anyway, I bought a piece of land about five years back. Went there and hung out for a while. I loved it. So I bought a bunch of stuff to get ready to build my homestead and all that. And about a year later, I went out there, started moving stuff on there. And the first night I slept there, I started getting this ear ring in and headaches and stuff. Well, I never noticed that they built a tower about a quarter mile from my place.

And it overlooked about, you know, about 50 different people's land there in Elko, Nevada. And I basically couldn't even sleep there at night. I think that, you know, what we're talking about, though, we're definitely finding out that some people are much more sensitive than others, but it does indicate, though, that that wireless technology does have a biological influence. If it can have an influence on you, what is it doing to other people, even if we don't think it is? I don't know. That's exactly right.

So sorry about that earringing. I fully understand that's such an issue. And did you sell your property? Yeah, I sold it back to the guy that I bought it from. I made a little profit off of it, but he didn't know about the tower. and all the neighbors that I met there while I was there were having issues too, not all of them, but the ones I talked to were actually trying to sell their land. And it was bad.

It was like, you know, it wasn't that close. I had to look about maybe 10 degrees up to see the top of the tower, so a quarter mile from my house. But it was just immediate change. All right. A nice, peaceful place, all the animals left, everything. It was weird. I appreciate the call there. Boy, thanks for that, Michael.

That's another kind of extreme response to that. I'll grab one more call on it. But anyway, I guess what you're doing here, let me grab the call, and then I'll ask the final wrap-up questions on this if you don't mind Kelly. Okay. Hi, you're on KMED, and you're with Kelly Markatooley. Who's this? Hi, my name is Rebecca.

Hi, Rebecca. Hi, this is a subject for me. It is. And I hope I can get through it. I lost my husband brain cancer. And it's been a few years back, not long. It came out of the blue. He was a cell phone user, and he would stick that thing right up to his head.

And I would always tell him, you know, I just wish you wouldn't do that. And he worked in the local mills, you know, and he said, I can't hear it. if I don't. And so it was something he did. And all of a sudden, they take him from work one day to Medford and called me and tell me he has cancer. And it was a very rare form. If you don't mind me being personal, was it a blio-glastoma?

Just curious, or blastoma? It was a gliosarcoma. Blast, okay. Yeah, I had, my best friend from high school died from that just a few days ago, and it was on the left side of his brain where, and I couldn't help and wonder, was it another one of those issues where holding the cell phone up there? I don't know. Oh, I'm so sorry.

Oh, no, I'm sorry for you. No, I'm sorry for you. Well, it was horrendous. He only lived 68 days, and it was horrible. And, of course, you want to know we live out in the country. We lived and ate fairly, you know, healthy and so forth. And I just, I wanted to know why. Why did this come into our life?

He was only 58. And the neuroan oncologists plainly said to me, are you familiar with what EMS are? And I said, no, no, I'm not. I've heard the term here and there, but I don't know what that has to do with this. And he says, a lot. And he proceeded to explain to me that he said, you know, a few years back, I would see this maybe once every six months. He says, then here more recently I'm seeing and diagnosing it once a month.

And he says, I can tell you now, I'm diagnosing it in young, healthy, non-smoking individuals three times a week. And he said, we can directly, you know, we see the connections. He said, I'm seeing testicular cancer through the roof in young, healthy mints that pack it in their pockets of their genes, breast cancers, kidney cancers. People put it in their pockets, the bras, like you mentioned. And he said, and my husband was Templar on his right side exactly where he put that phone. And he said, you can, we see it. We see it all the time. We see the correlation.

And it was interesting you brought up motels because one of this, I said, what can a person do? It's everywhere. And he said, you have got to eat well. You've got to get rest. He said, you've got to keep your immune system up. And he says, one thing I can tell you, he said, you see all these signs that say free Wi-Fi? And I said, yeah, I see him in motels. You do.

You see them there. He said, you look at that sign, and you read that as free cancer because that's the reality. And that's what the doctor told you? What your doctor told you? That's what the neuroancollegeist. Oh, neuroancollegeist. Okay. All right.

at Medford Asfontea, yes Wow Thank you for sharing your story I'm sorry for your loss I really am Okay Thank you, I'm so sorry

Wow That is Okay Yeah There's There's a lot of A lot of awareness That's building

And it's amazing to hear that doctor Would give her All that information And what is he doing What is he doing now And what are the doctors who are aware of this issue. We need more community involvement.

We need more people to reach out to Cliff Bent and say, please, stop this HR 22889. Because the point being, though, is that this would eliminate any restriction, no zoning restrictions whatsoever, that local government can't do a whole lot even right now, you know, on the sitey because this has been talked about as being an FCC deal. I've noticed the 5Gs, the 5G oatmeal, big metallic oatmeal cans on a pole going up all around town. You're seeing that everywhere, and I know that's the, you know, the 5G situation, and a lot of people were complaining about that. I guess my question is, could local government really have an impact on something like this and make it any more, if you want to term it safer, you know, for people who live around these towers? Well, local government can do something, and they're the ones who can write into, you can write into the FCC.

There's a docket that you are allowed to make comments on. You can, of course, the Medford Council and the mayor can write into Cliff Bents and say, you know, power speaks to power. So if more and more elected officials come out and say, look, my constituents don't want cell towers, in front of their homes. They want more oversight. The FCC in 2021 lost a lawsuit that said you need to update your safety studies and reevaluate what's going on because 1996 was 30 years ago. So look how much more radiation and much more powerful our phones are. And these cell towers are everywhere. We have adequate service. So I don't know if I answered you. question. I think the answer is, yes. We, we, we, the, well, you, what you're hoping with

lobbying against this is that what little power local government or state government or county government has to affect this doesn't completely disappear, I guess is what you're looking at. Yes. Yes. We, we really need to defeat this bill, and we need people to put, you know, put their energy into pushing back and letting our elected officials know that you do not approve. And OR4 safertech.org, there's an action item button there you can go to. It's an easy, quick-fill form. You just need to fill it out, and that will automatically send your opposition to our elected officials. So I encourage everybody who cares about this issue, and I feel so sorry for your last caller.

that is such a tragic story, and it's preventable. I mean, I think we need to educate people to understand that their cell phones are not their best friends. OR4, the number four, safertech.org, and I will put that on my blog today here, too. Kelly, I appreciate you reaching out. I wasn't aware of this particular bill. I'm a big fan of local control in the first place. I don't want to see local government be reduced in effect. any more than it already has been over the years over such matters, but we'll be in touch,

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I couldn't help but notice it. And she starts talking about that one caller when I was talking with Kelly Markatouli and talks about her husband, always having held the cell phone up to his head. and then I was thinking about my friend I talked about this on Facebook but one of my best friends

best guys I ever knew in my life Bob Orkman I've talked about him on my show every now and then he was my best friend in high school and I'm my partner at crime although we were pretty harmless we drove too fast that was the main thing

but I saw him at my high school reunion last year September and then apparently I was going to call them I usually call them right before Christmas because his birthday was the 23rd, and I didn't call him last year, but I was going to call him this year, and then my sister called me the other day and said, Bob died. I said, what? I didn't even know he was sick. And so his wife, Karen, called me and then said that Bob had the glio, I think it's

a glioblastoma, it's what it's called, malignant brain tumor. And it was on the left side of his head by his left ear and I'm thinking about all the cell phone use and you know he was doing it I you know you start wondering you start wondering about that I couldn't help it at least question it anytime I talk on a cell phone frankly I use the speaker function and if not or usually a a Bluetooth speaker but it's still wireless I don't like to stick the things in my ears I'm not a big fan of that kind of stuff but I'm kind of aware of that and yet the cell phone is such a necessary tool. You know, we're all, you know, we're all,

many of us are plugged into this one. So I understand. But I also don't want to see what little power local government has be usurped by the federal government. Again, you know, this is not supposed to be the United States of America. It's supposed to be the United States of America. Let me talk with Patrick.

Patrick, you have a thought on this? Go ahead. I started putting my cell phone in my shirt pocket, and within a month I was in the hospital getting a pacemaker. I don't know if that is part of this conversation, but I wanted to ask you about your opinion about Cliff Bentz, because, you know, when he first came out, I sent money to his campaign, but I've been fooled before. and what kind of got me alarmed about him, and you may remember more details than I do, there was some question that came up. Somebody asked him, hey, Cliff Bent, have you signed such and such a letter that in the Congress, and Bent used the excuse.

I haven't read the letter. Well, even I could say, well, why haven't you read the letter? And I could also say, well, your colleagues have all signed it. Can't you trust your colleagues? that their instincts were right and signed it on that basis. I have you later... Yeah, I forget what that was about. I think Congressman Pence is a reasonably good congressman,

at least for what we could get here in Southern Oregon. Is he, you know, maybe as much of a firebrand as you might like? No, probably not. But... I remember that Kevin Sterrett, I think, referred to him as... worthless? I would not say that. I would not say that. And you know, Kevin's a dear friends, but, you know, we may, there are certain things that can't, that I think that Cliff is very good on and when it comes to water issues, farming, you know, a dam removal, those sort of things. I think

he's pretty darn good on preventing that kind of infrastructure. Now, I would imagine he probably passed this cell tower bill along. I don't know. I would have to ask him about that. But this is when we the people can educate our Congress critter. Okay, that's what I would say our job to do at this point is if we have a feeling, if we have an opinion on this particular bill, which is HR 2289. Well, good. So basically, you're still on his, you're still happy to support him. Well, you know, of course, what is my alternative at this point? He is our Congress critter. He is our congressman.

Now, you know, there's no point in me bashing the congressman than I had because we've got to work with the congressman we have. I can say this for the senators and everybody else. We have to work with the people we have in office right now. Unless you have an alternative, you're really focused on it. I'm not really there. I think we should run you. Oh, yeah. That's very, hey, I admire your support. That's great. I don't think that's going to be happening anytime soon, but I appreciate your help, though, okay? You take care of me. We need you where you are. Thank you. All right. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to burst out laughing with him, but, yeah. My problem with beans that I've had too many opinions that I've been too happy to express them, and that's probably one of the worst things you can do as a politician. Good morning. Hi, who's this? This is Bill. Who's this? All right. I'm sorry.

I'm double-diffing. This is Phil from Rogue River, but that cell phone tower thing is quite concerning, and I'm wondering about the earbuds that you use to listen. Those are just receivers, right? I mean, but you're sticking that thing right in your ear. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Bluetooth earbuds. No, I'm not.

Everything that I use ends up being usually wired if I'm using anything in my ear. I'm not a fan of that. But I know a lot of people seem to use the Bluetooth, tooth, no problem. I just choose not to. I'm not a fan of it. All right. I just thought, yeah, okay. Thank you, sir. All right. Be well. 852 at KMED. A recent Klausor drilling customer shares her experience. This is Susan from Griffin Creek. And listen, if you need a new well, I want you to call

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Glad to have you here. Happy to take your call. We got a little bit of time left, and Larry, you're under the way in on the wireless earbuds. I've never been a fan of those and refused to use it, but that's just me. Maybe I'm a Luddite, but what are you thinking of Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, the wireless earbuds, they transmit and receive, and so they're sending RF radiation right through your brain. They actually talk to each other as well as to your phone. And I was just going to suggest that something which isn't perfect,

but much better would be the wired headsets that we used to all get. You know, you'd get a set of them when you got a cell phone. And, you know, you can keep your phone a little bit farther away from your head. It's remote, more remote. I ended up buying a pair of wired headphones for my cell phone for the same, for the same sort of reason. And what it is, it's wired, but, you know, the modern phones don't really have headsets. The older ones do, or the, I'm sorry, the headphone jacks. They don't have those anymore, most of them.

Right. And so what I did is that I got one with a USB connection on it, which has a little decoder on it. I just plug it right into the phone and use it that way. Right, right. The wired headsets now, you can buy them, and they've got that USBC connector on the end. Or you can even buy an adapter if you have the old stereo mini plugs, the round plug. You know, then you can put that adapter on there and it'll plug right into your phone. Yeah, works really well.

And I'm fine with that. Anything I can do to keep it from being directly wired into the brain, I'm kind of okay with that, Larry, just out of an abundance of caution, okay? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I have to agree with you. I think local control is a much better way to go and to try to have influence on your city council and the county commissioners and make things happen at the local level. We have to keep trying to do that. And it's really frustrating when, you know, the large majority of people express their desire for one thing or another.

And then the city council ignores that and goes ahead and does something like, well, we're going to allow the cell towers to go in anyway. Yeah. It makes you wonder, there's something else. going on there, you know? And I would imagine it has to do with wireless taxes and right-of-way fees. Could be that. Could be some of that. Yeah, leaching revenue. I mean, there's all kinds of incentives for cities to welcome this technology in, but there's a growing mountain of evidence, scientific evidence, and medical evidence that it's not healthy. Thank you very much, Larry. Appreciate the call.

Thank you, Bill. All right. Emails of the day, before we wrap up this morning, emails of the day are sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson in Central Point Family Dentistry.com. It's on Freeman Way right next to the Mazadlon Mexican restaurant. Great people, great service. I think you'll enjoy that experience. Get your appointment today at Central Point Family Dentistry.com. And we have a lot of people writing me this morning here. And one of them saying, Bill, I'd like to, someone to tell me, Michael actually writing, someone to tell me why it's a good idea for President Trump to allow advanced chips to be sold to China. Why can't we just wait for them to steal the technology since we're letting thousands of Chinese into America with H-1B and other visas?

All-American salute on that one, Michael, let me give you one right now. Okay. Actually, I'm going to do my best. I have a line on a guest that actually wants to focus on exactly that issue, Michael, and I'm hoping to get them on for tomorrow's show on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Dan writes me, Bill, I wanted to share what happened to us. We sold our home in Medford, moved to southern Utah, a nice conservative state. Unfortunately, we were between health plans. Took my wife to a local urgent care, but the nurse practitioner in charge didn't diagnose her properly,

said we needed to go to the emergency room. Long story short, two hours in the emergency room to find out if it was a nasty stomach bug. The bill they sent me was $12,000.5,000. But if I paid in cash, they were reduced it to $75. 500. They took blood, urine, stool. We left the hospital after two hours, headed to Walgreens to get the prescription filled, went round and round with the hospital, as why we ended up in the emergency room when the same results could have come from urgent care. But to no avail, they wouldn't budge. I paid the $7,500 and then went to tractor supply and loaded up on Ivermectin. Dan, I appreciate your writing. Yeah, it's, yeah, this whole situation where those who have, those who can pay, are paying for the health insurance of those who can't pay, like Oregon Health Plan, et cetera.

That's what we've been talking, and the people who can pay are right amount of money. We'll talk more about that on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. My email at Bill at Bill Myers Show.com. Thank you for listening, and we'll catch you tomorrow morning. Oh, dead battery. Head to Batteries Plus. Our experts will set you up with a new car battery.

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