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Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Dr. Carole Lieberman MD, MPH, talk on the Bondi Beach Massacre. Later it is The Book of Heaven: A Story of Hope for the Outcasts, the Broken, and Those Who Lost Faith is a memoir co-written by Katie Asher and her severely autistic son. - fascinating

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Over the weekend, it got to the point where I kind of had to turn the news off a little bit and decompressed. Because I started reading about, at first I'm thinking, Bondi Beach, Bondi Beach. I'd never heard of Bondi Beach. It almost like they were, is this something to do with the Attorney General?

No, Bondi Beach that I did not know about. and learned about that, the terror attack over the weekend. And wow, 15, dead and a bunch still hurting. Dr. Carroll Lieberman, MD, and also a master of public health. And we know her as America's psychiatrist, terrorist therapist, the host of Dr. Carroll's Couch on Voice America, the terrorist therapist podcast, too. A forensic psychiatrist, expert, witness, best-selling award-winning author of four books.

Just a bunch of stuff, very busy. Dr. Carol, and boy, put these terrorists. on the couch this morning, if you don't mind, hi? Welcome to the show. Good morning. Yes. Thank you. So Bondi Beach here. What was your initial reaction, especially what happened with this one? Because this is obviously anti-Semitic Jewish attacks, no doubt about that, or attack on Jews. Yes, this is an outrageous attack. And it's amazing that so many people, at least 15, were killed, and then there are many more who were injured. And it's amazing that it was a father and son, just two people with guns.

I mean, that shows how much damage just two people can do. And it's more than that because, you know, there were 1,000 people there, approximately. And the damage to them psychologically, you know, the trauma is also a factor. I mean, I just came back from Israel. We're helping people with the trauma of October 7th. and, you know, it laughed. So, now, there are so many ironies. Like, you started to say, the irony is that the man who was the hero of the day, the man who ran up and took the gun from one of the shooters, one of the terrorists, he was Syrian.

They were Syrian. Well, no, the hero was Syrian. And, you know, and the irony is that the festival of Hanukkah has to do with the destruction of the temple by Syrians when, you know, Syrians came into the land of Israel. I mean, it wasn't called Israel at that time, but that was the land and destroyed the temple. And the story is that there was one little drop of oil left in the temple, and they lit up. a candle, and it lasted for eight days instead of one day. So that's the, it's called the Festival of Lights, the Miracle of Lights. And so, so that's a real irony.

But, you know, there's so much in this, well, first of all, the two terrorists, they're thinking now that they had a connection to ISIS. And they were on the, they came to the attention of authorities in Australia. you know, so much of this is like the same story over and over again. I mean, this is a little more striking in all these ironies and so on. But I mean, so many times terrorists have come to the attention beforehand of the authorities. Yeah, on the radar, but on the radar of authorities, but authorities don't seem to really have a whole lot of effort and doing anything about it at the time.

Right, right. You know, they don't follow them closely enough. Now, of course, the problem is that there are so many now. I mean, more and more over the years, there are so many on the watch list that it's impossible to watch them all. I mean, we need more people to watch. Yeah, now, my question here, from what I understand, when I read the story about them being migrants, is this true? Were you able to confirm this? Now, when they say migrants, that usually means you entered the country illegally.

Now, I don't know if that's the case in Australia or not. Do you know? Well, I mean, they did. I don't know what their current legal status was, but yes, they were being referred to as migrants. I mean, you know, that's another part of this story that it keeps happening again and again, that it is people who migrate to, well, like to Europe and to hear. I mean, you know, look at the guy who killed the Afghan who killed the two. National Guardsmen just recently.

I mean, that's the thing. You know, my question is, will the Bandi or Bandai Beach Hanukkah terrorist attack me the tipping point? I mean, when are we going to be saying enough is enough? Oh, yeah. And the point being, if you're importing the third world, if you're importing a third world Islamist, you're essentially going to end up getting a third world Islamist culture. Will you not ultimately over time? I mean, honestly.

Exactly, exactly. And that's what's happening. And you would think that America would learn from, you know, seeing that happening in so many countries around the world. Now, Australia is kind of, you know, we're used to it or, well, I don't, you know, the mainstream media doesn't show the what's really going on in Europe with all the different countries being taken over by radical Islam and terror attacks happening every day that don't make the news, at least not here. Dr. Carl, Dr. Carol Lieberman, is there any possibility or any evidence that, let's say, the Bondi Beach, Hanukkah terror attacks, was there any evidence that there's a grievance against Jews, like Jews, stop them from getting work or something like that, you know, the two people, the father and son? Oh, I don't think that they haven't, they haven't discovered that yet, or they haven't reported that yet in any case. Okay. I doubt it. I mean, I think, I mean, just the fact that they are connected to ISIS, that, that is.

the, you know, this is an interesting thing. Radical Islamists believe that for them to die and become martyrs and to please Allah, they have to destroy Israel and kill Jews. But so I think some of people's complacency, which of course is misplaced, I'm talking about in America, you know, most people are so complacent about this. But I think, I think it being in Australia, you know, is a little, we'll wake people a little more like that's unusual you know but um but you know so people will say well when they want to try to pretend oh well this isn't going to happen here i mean that's the thing

people try to say in america they don't want to believe it could happen here well it has happened here though it's happened here what i remember the uh california attacks from a few years ago san bernadino right absolutely um boston marathon uh Orlando yes there have been a lot of attacks here I mean, not so much recently. And so they don't want to, they just kind of put it off. And another reason why they put it off is because they think, oh, well, you know, they're just going to attack Jews. They just want to kill Jews, which is not true.

Really, I mean, yes, that's the first line, first prey. But that terrorist plan and have been killing all people, anybody who is not in Wallach. And so it does affect everybody. You can't just say, well, this is a Jewish problem. Well, yeah, I guess my point is, though, have we faked ourselves out that the multicultural society is going to end up being okay? And then no matter who you import here, whether they're Somalian, whether they're Syrian, whatever the case might be, that they're all going to become Jeffersonian democracy fans or, you know, representative republic fans here. And I've seen no evidence of that. I'm sure that there are some are.

Right. How do you tell the difference, though, I guess, when you're looking to tick off who's coming in and wanting to come in? Or do we not even ask those questions these days? Well, they have not been asked enough of those questions. You know, that's Islamophobia, right? Oh, okay. So, in other words, come to Minnesota. We're going to resettle you to Minnesota and start mooching off the welfare system.

Start doing that, right? It's what you're here for. Yes, yes. I mean, absolutely. And, you know, it's getting to the point. It's gotten to the point. a lot of places where people are afraid to, you know, it's not just Islamophobia, they're afraid that they're going to be killed if they start asking too many questions.

I mean, because tipping point, in other words, enough people, enough terrorists where they have the majority, where they, I mean, like, look what's happening in the UK, that's what's happening there, that there are just so many radical Islamists, they overpower, I mean, they're not as many as native British people, but in terms of their strays. But it's getting awfully close. I'm kind of curious, what a percentage of Islamist population does it take before finally they get to the point where you're like up in Dearbornistan, Michigan, where you have the one mayor that was telling the Christian you're not welcome here.

Yes, right, right. But I don't know that there's a necessarily, you know, one percentage for all. I think it has to do with where this is. and and it has to do with whether you have someone in power who is sympathetic to you. I mean, like the mayor of London, you know, they didn't have to get to be the majority in London, but they just had to get a London mayor, an Islamist mayor. And same thing with... In other words, you have to get an Islamic outposts.

These are Islamic outposts that are now starting to, you know, pop up everywhere, including the United States, too. Texas, I understand. In Texas, in Florida. of course we know Minnesota and yes in a lot of different places and you know 80,000 people were brought into America

during the when when Biden surrendered in Afghanistan and this was you know such a tumultuous time of course there was no way that they were appropriately vetted I mean that wasn't the point

and in America you know the Biden Obama regimes purposely brought these people and they didn't care to vet them they just cared. They just wanted them to vote for them, vote Democratic. So, you know, it's getting these people in leadership positions. And, you know, when I, after 9-11, when I first decided to be the terrorist therapist and help people cope with terrorism and all of that, I didn't really know much about terrorism before 9-11. And so I had to do a steep learning curve. And I went to

lots of conferences and read lots of things, all that. And at these conferences, there were people who were experts in terrorism, who told us, you know, told the people at the conference that the way that the terrorists are going to win is by not just attacks like 9-11, it's by getting into, gradually getting into decisions of power in the media, in politics, and in education. Not to mention outbreeding, too, and I can't help but think about this when we look at Amdani, having taken over New York City. Yes, exactly. I mean, that, of course, is the scary. example in America, yes.

Do you think that people are underestimating him? Yes. Yes. I mean, I can't believe. I mean, I think there might have been some voter irregularity, voter, you know, election irregularity. But the fact that New Yorkers would be this dumb is just something that's happened to New Yorkers. I left there. Do you think that there's going to be a growing trend to actually move a lot of these individuals out, such as these Somali communities popping up everywhere with just, you know, taking over particular areas here. And it just seems like we've even ported an enemy here, a big enemy. Well, yeah. And, you know, people with Trump derangement syndrome don't, you know,

they blame it all on Trump and they blame, they don't like that he's, you know, getting rid of some of these dangerous people and all of that, you know, oh, this is unfair. And you're, you know, you're making people leave the country. I mean, yeah. he's making people leave the country because otherwise we're going to be like England. Or we're going to be like Mogadishu over time. I hope. I think I think worse than that, all right? Yes.

I mean, you know, when you see pictures of some American cities that have been overtaken, I mean, in California, you know, San Francisco, for example, or New York, you know, it really, I mean, it's hard to believe that those are really cities in America. Dr. Carol Lieberman, M.D., I appreciate your take on this one. Will it be enough? Will this be a wake-up call? Don't know. Looking at the past, could be ready to go back asleep and just thinking it's going to go somewhere else. It's not going to hear it. The lion is not going to come and eat us, right? Isn't that the story?

Right, right. We need to really start taking some action more seriously, starting with the people we elect the positions, but also communities need to start fighting back, basically. And I don't mean literally fighting, although, you know, but although that may, it's, the way we're going, it's going to come to that. There's another example of this terror attack that I think has been kind of glossed over is that Australia essentially disarmed itself, too. Yes. Yes. There are no guns. Right. There are gun laws. People aren't supposed to have guns, except the terrorists. Yeah. Yeah, fine. So in other words, the Jews are set up there to be just a nice fat victim pool for, uh, for, uh, for the people are supposed to have guns, except the terrorists. Yeah, yeah, fine. So, in other words, the Jews are set up there to be just a nice, fat victim pool for a shooting gallery. Yeah.

Right. Something to consider. In my synagogue, we go, we have Shabbat on the beach in the summer. And we have, we do have two security guards that we lately in recent years have brought with us. But, I mean, you know, you can't, it affects, it affects all of us. I mean, there are going to be attacks in America, too, for Hanukkah, especially during this, during this eight-day holidays there will be especially now that the Australian one has happened that there usually are going to be copycat well yeah because they were successful

too terrorist therapist dot com one of the best places is that also the best place overall to get the take on this one doctor yes for now yes terrorist therapist dot com all right very good doctor Carol Lieberman MD always appreciate your analysis be well okay take care of you And by the way, be careful out there, okay? I'm sure you are. Well, I, you know, I hate to have to think that way. Yeah, well, we all have to think that way, doctor. Thanks for being on the show.

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I gotta go away. 7.31. It wasn't really, well, actually, it has been kind of cold outside, not cold in the traditional sense of having lots of snow outside, like we were hoping to see. It's been relatively dry, but it's going to start getting wetter today, though, if one is 10. Maybe some late afternoon shower activity.

More rain tomorrow, a little drier Wednesday, more showers, Thursday, Friday. And according to Greg Roberts over at Rogue Weather, next week, Christmas week is considerably colder and maybe even getting a little bit of snow shower activity. Maybe we can see more of that up there because there's probably no snow up at Crater Lake last time I checked over the weekend. But boy, I've got to tell you, some beautiful light displays. my mother and I ended up going and traveling around, got her out of the house, and did the PT Cruiser. Out we went in, yep, Cherry Lane looking good. And who else did we go?

We also went on Lone Pine and then took the drive out to my nephew and niece's house over in Road River. And this is the one I put a post up on it on Facebook last night on my Facebook page, the Bill Maher Show Facebook page, 25 Lily May Lane. That is a must go-to. I know it's a little bit out of the way. You drive to Rogue River and go out to Wards Creek Road and then find a 25 Lily May Lane. But I don't know how many tens of thousands of light that he has up there. Matt, my nephew, works on that for probably a week or more before the holiday season to get that all up.

It is just astounding. I don't know what his power bill is. I'm got to ask him. I'll ask him now. I'm going to have a party at his house or attending a party. We always have a little get-together on Christmas. So Friday, I'll ask him how much he pays for that. Must be something.

But trying to bring a little joy into what otherwise is a lead-in-sky holiday season, that kind of thing. 733 afternoose, I'm looking forward to, I'm hoping this is an interesting talk. Well, I always hope that everything we're doing is interesting. But Katie Asher is going to join me. And she wrote a book. book, The Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcasts, the broken in those who lost faith, who lost faith. And what's interesting about this is that it's a memoir really about her and her severely

autistic son and some of his perceptions of the other realm, the other side. It's making a lot of noise out there. I haven't had a chance to read the book, so that's why I'm going to ask her about it. and maybe I'll pick up a copy. Attention Realtors. When selling a home with a well, accurate test results and fast solution ready and customizable to meet your specs,

visit doodogsfab.com for all the details. Hi, this is Lisa, the Hughes Lumber Girl, and I'm on 106.7, KMED. 739. Katie Asher joins me, and she has written what appears to be a really, thought-provoking book. It's the Book of Heaven. A story of hope for the outcasts, the broken and those who lost faith. You can find out more about this and more on her story. The main website is

Asher. Dot House. Asher.com. I didn't even realize that was an internet domain these days here, Katie. Welcome to the show. Good to have you on. Morning. And that's actually the name of my little publishing LLC. And so when I put that in, it was actually an option. I was like, No way. Okay, I'll take it. Yeah, so I could actually have like Meyer. Dot House if I wanted to, like Bill Meyer. It's not. Okay. All right. I'll keep that in mind.

Now, tell us a little bit about this story because the question that a lot have asked, and especially as we have more of this technocratic, surroundedness of our culture right now, the big tech bros are all saying, you know, don't believe in that soul thing and just upload. your brain to the cloud someday. That's what we're hoping. We want the technocracy and we want the singularity. We want to live forever in the computer, in the AI, all the rest of it. Now, I know I'm kind of engaging in a little bit of hyperbole, but that is kind of what's being sold these days in the world. And you have an extremely autistic son that may have a different story about what really is going on here, because this is the memoir of your son and you, right?

Tell us a bit about the story, please, where it starts. Yeah, so it starts actually with, because none of us are separate from ourselves. We're all connected to each other. We're all connected to all of God's creation. Everything is connected. I start the book off with this quote from John Mueller, who says, when you try to pick out one thing, you find it's connected to everything else in the universe. And that's true.

And so I gave the background of my family so that they could have an understanding of where I was coming from. And then I shared my childhood because that was how I was formed. It was how my faith was formed. It was how my heart was broken. It was all those things that make up who we are. And then I had, I have had five children and my son, Houston, is the second. and he was perfect. He was absolutely just this perfect baby.

And then he was severely injured by vaccines. And for those who, you know, question and all that, this isn't even questionable because he ended up in the hospital and the hemostologist said this is a vaccine injury. He has immune grombocytoppenic perpera. And his body is, his immune system is killing off all of his blood platelets and he's going to bleed to death internally. And little did I know, that's one of the things on the flyer that nobody tells you. The other is encephalopathy and autoimmune issues, which is what he ended up getting severely.

Yeah, which shot, if you don't mind me getting personal, what shock did he get, you know? You remember? The first one that caused it, I do. It was the DTP Hib, which is the precursor to the DTAC. Oh, okay. And it's actually more dangerous. It's actually the one that Big Pharma was granted immunity for because so many people were being catastrophically injured or dying. And what they had told, you know, Congress and Reagan was they couldn't make it safe.

And I think this is important because the reason they can't make it safe and why all this hoopla that you're hearing is just false is because of the adjuvant. that they put inside the vaccines. In particular, there's definitely mercury, which is horrible, but in particular, it's the aluminum. Yeah, the adjuvents are there to stimulate the immune system to get a stronger response to the vaccine, right? That's exactly right. And they can't control the reaction.

And so in one person, it just stimulates it just enough where nothing more happens except the immune system, you know, begins to get prompted. Yeah, and maybe you get a sore arm or something. Right. Okay, fine. But in my son, it basically, because what it does is it's trying to fill that balance shell, which only has three electrons in it, which makes it highly electro-negative.

And so if it steals an electron from another cell, then that cell fills an electron and so on. And that's the reaction they can't control. And that's what ends up causing the cytokine storm of interleukin-6. So essentially your son had. just a massive inflammation reaction and went and then descended into severe autism. Is that kind of the long and short of it then? What the encephalopathy, the autoimmune encephalopathy does is it demilinates the brain. It demilinates motor.

And so that's the regression. And then the inflammation prevents new motor from forming. It also prevents sensory synapses from being printed. So how serious is your son, Houston? How severe? Is that was the question? Yeah, how severe? How severe is it for your son, Houston? It is extraordinarily severe. He requires 24-7 care. He is, for the most part, he's either, he's

probably what they would call unreliably speaking, but he just, the only thing he can really say is scripted word or repeat back to you what you say. He can't initiate motor. And that's the problem. It ends up because it demilinates their motor, it prevents them from the ability to motor planes. When you say motor plane, in other words, walk, in other words, he can't walk? He can walk, but it's not a normal gait. Everything, I have to basically, like, direct his body all everywhere. And then there's this impulsive motor that will take off, and he'll do impulsive things. He, you know, he would a loat. He was constantly running to water. We had several near drowning. I mean, smearing fecal matter. Like, I mean, you name it. It's the worst.

Rough time. Okay. So I think we can get that. And in limited time, what I wanted to get to, though, was what was taken away from Houston with this autism, but then what ended up popping up with a very different perceptual ability. Is that a fair way of talking about it? I've not read your book. I want to buy a copy of it. You should because it's really important to go through the whole story of how this is lived out. Because then you understand what I lost, which was faith. And really this is a story of faith, of how you lose faith and then how you gain it back. So you lost your faith because of this, like almost that, well, why did it happen, et cetera, et cetera, what kind of a God?

That kind of thing? Well, and how do you even – I was at the point where I knew God was real, because just intellectually, philosophically, I had wrestled with those questions, and I – there was really only any way to not – I mean, you couldn't deny his existence because you couldn't explain my own knowing that something's right or wrong. So just philosophically, I knew that there had to be a creator who gave us that innate understanding. And, but I just really felt like he didn't love me. Honestly, that was where I was. And it felt pointless to pray. And I felt like life was just a horrific pain that I had to survive. What changed that?

Well, when my son was 17, he sat down, he came downstairs, and he sat at my feet. And I was utterly exhausted at this particular moment. and he sat down at my feet and he reached over and he tugged at the blanket very intentionally in a way he'd never done before and it was so shocking to me I opened my eyes and he was looking directly into my eyes which you really can't do and he spoke and he said mama I left and he was 17 years old and I'd never heard him say my name or tell me he loves me. And in that moment, I was given a choice to either believe in this hell that I was living or a miracle.

And I chose to believe in a miracle. And it was another five years before that miracle happened. And that miracle came into existence through 26 letters. And he began, this was through coaching. We were having to help coach his motor because that's what's disabled. and he began to start being able to point reliably to letters. And the very first words he ever spelled independently that were his own, were in answer to the question, if you could put any slogan on a T-shirt, what would it be?

And he spelled the words, I, M, I, I, N, H, E, R, E, I'm in here. I am here. I'm in here I in here okay and I was struck with the weight of my own son's soul right there in front of me in other words yeah I'm the perception or your ability to communicate with me is

is gone but I am here I am in here in other words I am all here he was all there is what you were saying but you couldn't understand each other I couldn't yeah because he couldn't get out what was inside him because all he was trapped in this unruly body. And that's all, like, all the materialists and the behaviorists, all they see, all they've measured, they've tried to reduce society and life itself to mechanisms, to materialism.

And that's what you were bringing up with the whole AI thing. Well, yeah, well, we're a little other than meat robots. So you could take an actual robot and just put our consciousness in there, and then there we are, that kind of thing. Which, if anyone is really concerned about this, which you should be. We should definitely read Keoselis, The Abolition of Man, because he wrote about it in the 40s. So what happened then? Houston starts to communicate more and more.

We have limited time today. I might have to have you come back after a, you know. It's an incredible story, but basically, very quickly, what happened was he started pouring out all of this depths of knowledge and understanding that he had never been taught. And I didn't understand where it came from. Could you give me an example of some of the depth of knowledge that Houston was bringing out as a severely autistic young man? He was spelling out the whole Declaration of Independence. Huh? Yeah, and he was doing integrals and calculus, which he'd never been taught.

Because he can just see it. Where was he getting it then, you think? He can see it. That's what people don't realize is the spiritual realm is all around us. And there is, and he said, math is easy to explain for me. He says, it's as simple as words. He said, I just see it. He said, I see the movement, the mathematical equations for every movement.

So he just sees it. He said the way we do math is stupid, by the way. Looking at the state report card for math scores, it's probably true. Yeah. So, basically, one of the very first things I realized was that my son had the ability to hear thought. And while that might seem absolutely mind-blowing to your audience, people need to understand that thought is energy. And it behaves by the same laws of energy as all the rest of energy. In fact, math and energy are actually the same thing.

This is what equals MC squared means. And they're just measured in different ways. and it's difficult for us to understand, but everything material came from something spiritual. Every single thing that you see made around you was actually a thought before it was ever saying, and the most important question, if no one had ever thought of it, would it exist? And the users, no, it wouldn't. In other words, our thoughts are manifesting in the physical realm here. Yeah, the spirit, our thought, manifest into the physical.

realm. Okay, that makes sense. By the way, let me just reintroduce you, if you don't mind. Katie Asher is, of course, mother, severe autistic son, and we're talking about their memoir, The Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcasts, the broken, and those who lost faith. So you have your son, Houston now, bringing out stuff that he knows, that he's never been exposed to, never been taught. And I would imagine that scientists, the scientists, are are probably getting really interested in him. Would that be fair? But it's very, it's very fair. For someone who is completely neglected and kept in the self-contained classroom and disregarded and never educated, suddenly now the most brilliant

minds in the world would love to talk to him and get his take on what he sees and what he experiences. And I do think it's opening up this awareness of consciousness, but to us, this is a silly word. to us, it's life. It's God himself. And he made us in his image. And he imparted that to us. And we are walking around as image bearers. And we are souls. We have a body. And that's what Houston is experiencing every day. And the rest of us are just so connected to this physical world. We don't see our spiritual world. But this is why, you know, all these people who have NDE, this is what they're experiencing. This is what they're telling. This is what they're reporting. He just sees it more clearly in more depth and has for, you know, almost three decades now.

That is interesting that you bring up the NDE. I had a near-death experience about 30, 35, 38 years ago, I want to say. Wow. And almost drowned. And it was life-changing for me. And I can't say that it sticks with me all the time. But what I remember, though, is it realizing, I know the scientists would say that it was just because my brain was running out of oxygen, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, I know all that kind of stuff.

But, you know, the amazing God presence that was exposed for that brief period of time changed me. And the thing is, though, it sounds like your son, Houston, has plugged into that, in a more conscious state all the time. Is that kind of what you're saying? Yeah. he lives more in his atheric, his spiritual body, than in his physical body. And really, that's our eternal state of being.

It's to be in that state. And so he's already in that state, and he has a far limited connection to his physical body. And what we all need to do, we need to help these guys who are detached from their body to help them attach to this world and their body. but we need to attach to and really abide in him and in the spiritual realm. In a way, he's a miracle child in some ways. He is. Wow.

How has this affected your faith, which you say you were broken? In fact, you even talk about it in the book. You know, the outcast, the broken, those who have lost faith. Well, what autism does is it not only breaks your hope and makes any hope seem absolutely foolish, but it despairs you from everything because what you do as a parent, you try everything, right? You try and you try and you try and it fails and fails and fails. And then you get to the point where it's the death of hope and the idea of going through

another getting your hopes up and then being let down again is so terrifying, the grief that, that you don't even want to hope again. And it's the fear of being disappointed. And that is a grief for your own child that I can't, I would never wish that on anyone. It is so debilitating. And that's the place I was. And that was the hole that God had to get me out of.

And he did. And what I can tell everybody is just like I was explaining that thoughts become things, that is what he's. trying to get us to all realize is that we are incredibly powerful beings and that we are made with this ability to take these ideas and these beliefs and bring them to be. And that happens through faith. And it is faith in truth and it is faith in love. And these are these, you know, we think of these ideas as just these, like, they're just ideas, right? They're not real. But when you realize that thought is actual energy, then you have to recognize that faith is actual

energy in motion, and it is doing whatever, and faith and doubt are actually the same thing. It's just what are you believing? They're both beliefs. There would be, they would be what I would call, you know, endothermic energy, because it all comes down to energy and having an understanding of it and what it is, how it works, and then what is this spiritual part of us, us that has access to this. And what is our role? We're very passive. We just let things happen and just accept whatever it is.

Instead of being active with our thought and creating what is. The Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcasts, the broken, and those who lost faith. It's a memoir co-written by Katie Asher and her severely neurologically injured autistic on Houston. So, by the way, have people of faith reached out to you in the faith community out of curiosity? And have they studied Houston also? And what has happened with any of them? Anything interesting you could share before we take off this time? Yes. I definitely have other families who are believers who come from that, who've had the same despair. And they have significantly connected with it. And I had First Fruit of Zion, who's a Messianic Jewish,

organization, they were the very first ones to reach out to me. And I will say that the church at large is actually very materialistic in their mindset, and this is challenging for them. So I'm waiting for them to recognize, because what I did was I included all of the scripture to back up every single thing I was saying. And what this is is a massive research project. Yeah, out of curiosity, do some of them think that this is maybe some New Age, who that uh i'm sure that's a concern but whenever you actually start reading and you see all the scripture and you see the references and and the science and how the science backed up the scripture what i've seen from people who've actually read the book is they that this changed their

life yeah out of curiosity is there um let me put it this way i'm i was trying to to formulate this one. Is there, okay, does, you say the regular church is very materialistic and, and what then does Houston that, okay, I guess, now I know what I was going to say. I'm sorry, took a little bit of, a little bit of a detour myself, you know, to get to this. Is, is there a possibility that there was a purpose for the rise of the autism in this church, maybe to get us more connected through this process, and we just haven't been willing to listen until, you know, maybe your particular case with your son.

Yes. What in Genesis 50, I think it's 50-20, it says what the enemy meant for evil, God meant for good, for the saving of many lives, what this realization is going to do. it's going to open the eyes of believers to recognize all that Christ accomplished on the cross that we have access to, and it's going to make us believe. And in that space, believing in the work that Christ accomplished, we have access to the full

authority and power of God Almighty. And that is where the church should have always been. And that is where God is trying to get us to. And it is us through with these kids and proving faith, proving that Spirit, is the source of matter and proving that everything that is in God's word is truth itself. That is what will actively activate the faith of believers to do the work of God. Katie Asher, and I know that you probably have another interview coming up, so I don't want to overstay my welcome.

I'm going to buy a copy of the book, read it on my vacation. Okay, I'll get back to you on this one. Okay, and you will cry. I just want everybody to know, and that's okay. Okay, I can cry. I have a big handkerchief. All right. Thank you, Katie.

Thank you so much. God bless you. All right. You too. Bye-bye. Katie Asher is the author of The Book of Heaven, a story of hope for the outcast, The Broken, and those who lost faith. Very thought-provoking from the sounds of it.

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