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Episode Date: December 20, 2025

Kevin Starrett joins from Oregon Firearms, a talk on candidate political quality, and good news on 2nd Amendment rights for those who had those rights denied.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Kevin Starrett's going to join me here in just a few minutes, just a few minutes after the Kim Commando Digital Update, and we actually have some great Second Amendment news here in the state of Oregon. We'll have some detail on that coming up. Deplorable Patrick's here on Friday.

How you doing, Patrick? It's on your mind. You're okay for a kid? Glad to hear it. Yeah. Lucretia used to mention that she knew of a case that she'd read about, I guess, where a guy ate

only sardines lived to be 105 years old. I'm way behind on all the work I've got to get done, so I'm trying to stretch my glide, and I'm looking at these. You know, I'm thinking, if you eat sardines

and you live to 105, I don't know, is that living to 105 or dying a long, slow, death and it really feels like it? What do you think? Probably the latter. I'm trying to put off my date with The Undertaker as long as I can because I've got a lot of stuff to do. So I'm looking at eight cans of sardines here in my cupboard shelf here and I'm trying to psych myself up for it. But one thing that would help is if somebody could tell

me about these sardines, you know, they're a small, small fish so they don't gut them like they were to salmon, they're just small. Be lucky if they cut the heads off. My question is, do they let them go potty before they go in the can? I've always wondered that, too. Kind of like, you know, the shrimp, you're supposed to devane the shrimp, that kind of thing? You get shrimp?

Yeah. Well, maybe fish waste is good for you. It could be more, you know, vitamins or something. It's not good for me psychologically. Exactly. It's more of a psychological problem. I appreciate the call. Thanks for that, Patrick. All right. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hello. Yeah, Bill. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Go ahead. Yeah, this is Chris. I know you don't stay up all hours, but the 3-Ey Atlas on a YouTube channel of Mark De Antonio's Sky Tour livestream. So the 3-I Atlas has made another appearance. Now, when you say three, you're talking three eyes.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but... They call it Three-Eye Atlas. Three-eye Atlas, okay. So you're promoting somebody else's show. Okay, great. I love that. Hello? If you want to watch, if you just...

No, I don't want to watch. Just give me your point, though, that's all, okay? Well, I have nothing to do a conservative, but I just thought you'd want to know about it. Okay. Okay. Why do I want to know about it? Uh, it's pretty cool. If you're into astronomy.

Oh, astronomy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't sure what you were talking about. I think astronomy could be pretty cool. All right. So if you're into astronomy, all right.

Yeah. The galactic plates are at 62 degrees and it's come through. And so they're tracking it and tracking it since, like, summer. Okay. It's really close now. what's really close the three eye atlas and it's how fast it's going through our solar system okay what is the three eye atlas could you answer that please helping it's a comet oh a comet thank you all right yeah okay all right now i know who see that i didn't know i haven't paid

attention to that kind of stuff oh well uh anyway hi good morning who's this morning bill Hello, David. Go ahead. I was wondering if you'd be kind enough to ask Kevin this morning, his feelings and thoughts on Christine Gray, Drazen for a governor, and what do they think about Bethel for governor? Okay. Would you have him speak to that a little bit? Well, I can pretty much, I have a feeling I know. I don't think he's ever been really much of a fan of Christine Grayson, but... Neither am I.

I'll work against her, but I just want to know what he thought. All right. I appreciate the call, and we'll see what happens here. And, in fact, hang on just a minute. I'll get Kevin on, and then we'll have that conversation continuing in just a moment. This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit Fontana Roofing Services.com. One of each K4VIN, 235722.

Here, KMED and Krantz Pass on 1059, K290AF, Rogue River, in South Jackson County on 1067 K-294-A-S. Ashland. 18 after 8. Kevin Starratt rejoins the program. Of course, the chief cooking bottle washer. And I don't know, maybe instead of bottle washer, you are an ammo reloader, right? Oregon. Well, I don't like crushing the bottles, but I don't cook. Okay, you don't cook. Good for you.

All right. Yeah, I have Linda. That's why, so I don't have to cook, all right? It's 19 minutes after 8, Kevin Starratt, Oregon Firearms Federation. And by the way, this is that end of year time, which if you wanted to get that political tax credit. You actually qualify if someone were to send you a buck or two to help fight for the Second Amendment in Oregon. Fair enough? Yeah. Oregon has a kind of unique political action committee system where depending on your income, a donation to a pack with some

limitations is actually qualifies for a credit. It's not a deduction. Meaning if you, if you're an individual, you get 50 bucks. If you file with a spouse, you get 100 bucks. And that means like a married couple to donate $100 to a pack can deduct $100 from the money that they personally owe Tina Kotech. Yeah, and so I'm always a big fan of that. Now, I already sent you money earlier this year, and so that credit's already done, but I'm going to send you more anyway, because as far as I'm concerned, I don't think 2026 is going to be any lighter on the boot on the neck of the Second Amendment here in the state of Oregon.

It's still going to be coming after a big head, heavy and hard, wouldn't you say? Well, yeah, and what people need to understand is that the donations to the PAC, those are strictly used to help candidates or to try to defend against bad candidates. You know, that money's not used for anything else. There's nobody here gets a salary or anything like that. It's just trying to identify people who might actually be hoping to turn the state around and helping in their campaigns. I will tell you that with probably the exception of maybe Dwayne Yonker, who we've already donated substantially. the incumbents probably are not going to be getting it. You know, what we're looking for is some new blood,

some people who will stand up to what we've seen going on. I mean, when you look at what's happening, even in the Republican caucus, I assume you saw the story recently about the latest, the most recent allegations against Republican Craig Smith, his kind of weird, strange, lying his pockets, deals had been going on forever. And when asked about this,

No one of the Republican caucus wanted to comment. You know, you would think they would say something like, well, you know, the Ethics Commission is looking into this and we look forward to their results. Yeah, and that's all you have to do. Now, I also want to be fair about when it comes. I've talked to enough Oregon politicians that the Ethics Commission is also used as a weapon for people who don't like them and who don't like them, you know, generally speaking. Herman is an example. You get dozens of these ethics complaints and then none of them are founded. and then they end up being dismissed.

I'm not saying that's the case with Greg's case, though, right? No, and I don't believe it is. I mean, he's the longest serving house rep. He had owned, I read recent, some time ago that he owns seven houses. You know, he is on the board of all these different organizations. He was part of that mess with some commission that bought a nonprofit internet company owned it. And then so, I mean, it was just his fingers are constantly in a million pies that are extremely. questionable. Yeah, this is something which is

bipartisan, that Republicans can be just as grifty and corruptico as are Democrats in control. In fact, you know, maybe the interest is saying, well, Democrats are doing it. Might as well join in, right? Might as well get our cut. But the point is that there's so much corruption going on in Salem, and we understand that. But we shouldn't be

accepting it or excusing it on the part of the people who supposedly represent us. And the fact that other people are doing it, to me, is, you know, this is just, it's so out there with this guy. Plus, he always, you know, he always makes sure that the Democrats get their bills passed. And I had a conversation with a sheriff recently, who I said, who's actually, his county is in, in this guy's district. I said, how does he get away with this for so long? And the sheriff said, well, I spoke to a county commissioner, and he said, boy, he brings a lot of money into the county. You know, I mean,

this is nothing new, these allegations. And the fact is, is that he greases the skids. for the Democrats, because he makes sure, you know, he's on the right committee. And when the Democrats need a Republican vote, he's always there to do it. But, yeah, it's that type of thing where people are pretending to fight for your Republican virtue or values. And there's a lot of that that goes on, unfortunately. And that's what really drives, I think, low turnout from the Republicans in this state. It's not just the fact that there's a super majority of Dems. I think that there's a lack of willingness to fight in some cases.

Well, yeah, I mean, where's the enthusiasm when you've got, okay, if you're a politician and, you know, you're in an office with people who get paid to write press releases and stuff, you can't even come up with a response that's like we're looking forward to, you know, how this turns out, say something instead of nobody responding, nobody having anything to say about this. The fact is, is that all that money that is no question, like tons and tons of money are going into Greg Smith's pockets as a result of all these different organizations and boards. and companies that he runs that have all these contracts, okay, that's your money. You know, it's not, it's not like this is, he's not making this money running private businesses. This is all money that comes from counties and organizations that deal with the government. And if, if there's nothing there, and I don't believe that's the case, then answer it. What the heck is going on? He doesn't respond. He has nothing to say. The House of Republican leader has nothing to say, you know, that'd be the first ones.

to criticize the Democrats, I want to see my own house cleaned up. And that's the whole point of, you know, the whole PAC thing is if somebody comes along who's willing to stand up to this, they're not going to get the money that the incumbents get from the lobby. You know, the lobby creates these, has these relationships with incumbents. They know what they're going to do. So somebody coming in who's not already in office has a much harder time. And essentially, the lobbies end up funding both sides, both sides of the estate. Definitely fun both sides. They also fund the people who serve them best. And while anybody can get in and become corrupted by the system, what we really want to see happen is some people who would not get that kind of support and attention, getting it, because they're certainly not going to get it from the conventional lobbyists. And when you look at the dismal state of the Republican caucus, it just has to be done. I mean, I'm really hoping that there is kind of a sea change. and the attitudes of people, certainly the outcome of this latest ballot measure

demonstrated that a lot of people are pretty unhappy with what's going on. Yes. But as, you know, we've talked about before, the fact that there's been a successful ballot measure to put this tax on hold doesn't prevent the Democrat majority from just coming up with 10 new bills to do the same thing and pass them because they have the ability to and the Republicans refuse to stop it. Is there going to be a multi-million dollar ballot measure to stop every bad? bill that the Democrats come up with. I mean, it's not a really feasible way to protect the people.

Kevin Starrant with me once again, Oregon Firearms Federation, talking about the state of politics here. I had a listener who was on shortly before you came on and wanted to ask your opinion of one of our gubernatorial candidates. And I talked with her a few weeks ago, haven't had her back since. Christine Drazen, of course, is Senator Christine Drazen now. and I know that you've had some real issues with her in the past, and so go ahead. What do you think? I mean, she appears to be the standard leader right now in the lead right now for the Republican race, as it is. She's the lobby favorite.

I think she's, you know, I made no secret of our position that she's unethical. She's arrogant. She's in everything for herself. And the fact is, is that my personal opinions aside, anyone who took the time to look at her vote, record would see. She is a liberal Democrat, period. End of story. And, you know, my personal experiences with her have been highly negative. I think she's a phony. I mean, recently, you may recall, there was a big blow-up because she was trying to take credit for the ballot measure and saying, you know, she put out a fundraising email, which all of her emails are fundraising, saying, well,

if you want to sign the petition, click here, and it took you to her fundraising win-red page. And then she came out with her, you know, $25 will send you a ball cap. Like she's like a NASCAR drive or something. So I think she's terrible for the state. This recent switch where she had to get in the Senate, she had, she was the House Republican leader again, all right? She gets the Senate seat because, of course, the Clackamas County commissioners. Why do that? Well, when you know you're going to run for governor, okay, when knowing that that Senate seat was up for election same time as the governor.

her, she couldn't keep that seat. Why would somebody do that? It made no sense until you remember that if she was serving in the House for the duration of the legislative session, the House rules would have prevented her from raising money. But the Senate rules allow you to raise money during the session. So it was totally cynical. I mean, she's just, she is, and again, anybody who wants to say that this is a personal thing on my part is more than welcome to go. look at her record, and I could reel it off. You know, her votes to hamstring the cops, her votes to change the state song because it included the words free men, you know, her vote, her tweets celebrating that the

conviction of Derek Chauvin when George Floyd was killed, when he died and they say he was killed, you know, he died. But time after time after time, there's so many examples of this, you know, in the last time she ran, we had a whole webpage of this kind of. to stop. Plus, you know, she did her tampons in kindergarten boys' bathrooms and then repeatedly lied about it, said, oh, I didn't do that. They changed that bill after I voted for it. It's impossible to change the bill after you vote for it, though. Well, it's certainly not, it's possible for it to be, if it's voted for in one house,

so let's voted for in the House and she votes for it. Then it goes over to the Senate and they change it. That could happen. But then it would have to go back to the House for concurrence. Well, that's what I know. That's what you would have to vote for it again. Right. Is that all of this stuff is, you know, it's documented. You could go on the Oregon legislative website and see the entire history of every bill. The challenge that we run into, though, is that she is, she is the favorite and the number one at this point.

And the thing is it's, I think people are just circling the wagons, and thinking, okay, this is the horse. and you have to ride the horse you're offered, I guess. But there is Danielle Bethel, who now seems to find herself in what to me looks like a really trumped-up ethics investigation right now. I don't know if you kept track of that story. It sounds pretty thin to me. You know, and you're right. I do think the Ethics Commission is used as a weapon.

She uses a weapon on both sides. Yes. And it's a real problem if you have one of these accusations made because then you have to defend yourself and it can be costly. And I imagine that's probably what happened in Bethel's case. You know, I think you're also right. What happened last time is when Drazen became the candidate. Remember, there were like 19 candidates at the time.

It was a complete mess. A lot of people I know who know Drazen personally and really, really don't like her, said, well, it's our only choice. You know, this or Kotech. And the fact is, is that if you really look at their positions and their policies, I don't think that a Drazen governor would be all that different from a Kotech. governor. I mean, the fact is, is that she, she does what's best for herself. And, and I don't, you know, well, can't you say that about mostly every politician, though, Kevin? Well, everyone operates out of what they would see is their self-interest. I, you know, I think that's human nature. There, but there are limits, Bill. Okay.

Really are. And the fact is, is that I just think she's out of touch. You know, I've talked to her at times. She seemed completely, I mean, during the riots, she's completely unaware of what was going on outside her own building. And I just think that she's a terrible, self-centered, egomaniacal, arrogant person whose positions, look, if you got somebody who's voting to hamstring the police, is it any different if you get her or Kotech? And I don't think it is. I think what's happened is that Oregon voters have been given a choice of nothing. And so, yeah, they're, they're. Yeah, Yeah, and we'll line up around nothing then. It's probably good.

The one thing I keep hoping about is the former Blazer player if he will enter the race. That would be an interesting wrinkle, wouldn't you think? It would be very interesting wrinkle. And he's certainly been acting like a candidate, but he hasn't announced. And I don't know if there's something, you know, if there's a strategy here. Obviously, the longer you wait to announce an former PAC, the less time you have to raise money, Now, Dudley's a kind of a high-profile guy. He's been involved in a lot of nonprofits and community actions and stuff.

And he also came closer to winning than anyone else in recent memory. Well, I think he actually won last time. Suddenly a bunch of votes appeared in Montgomery County, which happens all the time. Imagine that. I think he would be an interesting, you know, I'm just waiting. You know, he did appear at the executive club recently. He's behaving like a candidate. He may have people waiting to donate.

I couldn't in any way tell you why I think that's a good strategy, but, you know, who knows? If it happens, the first thing we're going to look at is who's working on his campaign. And that's one of the things that I've really come to learn is that a person's campaign consultants reflects a lot on where they're going to go. And if it's the standard campaign consultant, they're going to modify him and knock off anything that might actually please a Republican in order to, well, limbo underneath the Democrat standard of what a governor should be? Yeah. I mean, in a state, and in many races, it's always going to drag the candidate to the left,

and they're always going to tell them the same thing we've heard for the last 30 years that a conservative can't win and you have to be a moderate. And in fact, that advice has never been successful. But talk, you know, you and I had plenty of experience when we saw what the Iversons did to Noah Robinson. Yeah. And that was unethical, disgraceful behavior, absolutely inexcusable, and it was because Iverson got rich no matter what happened.

And when you look at the candidate, and I, you know, this has been a learning process for me too. There are certain people when I find, you know, you find out who their campaign, campaign consultances, and you can pretty much write them off as somebody who's really going to be you know, a standard bearer for you. And in this case, like in, in, uh, in, uh, Danielle Bethel's case, she has a campaign consultant who I do not trust. Now, I know Danielle, I believe she's a committed conservative, but, you know, when she ran for commission, she looked for an endorsement from Oregon firearms. She definitely doesn't want one now. I suspect she's kind of

being dragged to the left by her consultants. She'll say she isn't. She makes her own decisions, but they all say that. And so, you know, I'd like to see Dudley get into it. I don't think he'd be my ideal candidate, but he might be somebody who might step up. You know, remember, the governor's still in a position, if Republicans won the governor's race, they're still in a position where the governor has to take on a radical left-wing legislature. So there's limits to exactly what they can accomplish. And also the control of that legislature by the four unions to the four public employees. unions. Yeah, the absolute control. I mean, the Oregon legislature has moved so far left. All the Oregon Democrats are doing now are suing Trump. That's all they're doing. You know, when they were faced with a tax that had overwhelming opposition, they passed it anyway. They have no concern for the voters and no fear of the voters at all, because what's the difference? If the voters get something on the ballot and reverse what they've done, well, they could just come back and do it again. But we saw the same thing when Jim Manning came up with his idiotic bill to remove the word

militia from all Oregon laws and constitutions. For what reason? Well, because Jim Manning is convinced that white supremacists are roaming the countryside lynching people. Well, that bill got exactly, now the tax bill was something like 94% opposed. Manning's bill was 100% opposed. not a single person testified in favor, not a single person uploaded testimony in favor. And yet the Senate still passed it. It died in the House, but it would demonstrate it clearly that there's, you know, what they wanted to do was, okay, Jim Manning is black, therefore he passes a bill that attacks what he perceives as white people. They're going to go with it, right?

Because that's what the Oregon legislature does. But what it demonstrates is that Democrats have absolutely zero concern what the voters want. No, well, and it's also, frankly, the policies which come out of there is anti-white male. It's an entirely anti-white male state legislature for the most part, and governor's office. If you look at the Oregon legislature, the number of white males in the legislature is shrinking dramatically. You know, I mean, the number of people who are born in this country is shrinking them dramatically. You know, and that's the way it's been in America for a long time. I think that may be starting to change, but, you know, let's face it, white males are about the most evil

that can exist on the planet. And in fact, you know, I think there has been a move by certain Republican consultants, who I will not name, to push for more women in the legislature. And I believe the majority of House reps in Oregon now are women. And the idea that somehow you're not, you're not qualified to hold a job because you're a white male is a pretty unnerving sort of situation. But, you know, if this is what we're stuck with, that there's no Republican men running for governor. And, you know, that's not to say that they would necessarily be better, but it would be nice to see a little, you know, diversity. Well, and well, the other problem with that is that even the Republicans who are running, like Christine Drazen, you know, she's into men.

And, you know, being into men and running as a Republican as a female, I mean, that's, that doesn't work, does it? I'd be sarcastic, but, you know, you know, that's the great, that's the great dichotomy of Oregon is that you have this overwhelming opposition to the policies implemented by the Democrats, but the Democrats keep winning elections. And I think that's because, you know, there are other issues. It's hard to imagine that Oregon, that the voter population of Oregon is ever going to be supportive of, say, a strictly pro-life candidate because, you know, liberals don't like to pay taxes either. But there's other issues that they vote on. And in this case, of course, anybody who does run against Kotech will become in the eyes of the Democrats

and the cartel press will become Donald Trump, right? This person is Donald Trump. That's an effective message to a state where a significant number of the voters are clearly mentally on balance. Yeah, there was talk about how a big problem in Oregon is that there's no mental health treatment or very little of it, and there's a lot of mentally ill people in the state of Oregon. And unfortunately, Kevin, from the looks of the polling,

They vote, okay? Well, you know, this is the great question is when you look at the policies of the Oregon Democrats in the state legislature, and to a far greater extent, the policies of the Portland City Council, it is impossible to explain why they would reach certain conclusions except for one possibility. And, you know, I know this sounds nuts, but so, for example, right now, the members of the Portland City Council are being sued for having an ex parte meeting, right? Yeah, violating the meeting law.

Yeah, okay. They're being represented by a law firm that specializes in suing the city, and they're being represented for free. Why would a law firm that sues the city represent the city? Obviously, conflict of interest right there, but they're doing it for free. Well, here's why they're doing it for free, because this particular city council has a policy of when there's a settlement against the city. You know, someone gets beaten up by a cop or something like that. A settlement offer is made.

Let's say it's $3 million. The Portland City Council comes back and said, nope, we're going to give you $8 million. Well, of course, the lawyers get most of that money. So, of course, in this case, this law firm has a vested interest in defending these people who pay them. them, even though they typically sue the same people. Because they will end up making more money on the other side, on the backside of it, because they would then stay in the good graces of that same corrupt counsel. I think I understand.

Okay, good. Thank you for explaining that. You've got that dynamic going on, right? But you've also been a dynamic where the city is spending insane amounts of money, and they're broke, right? They're like, okay, this students, black students, excellence, center, all the city, every part of Portland spends money they do not have. By the way, I think Liberty Institute just filed the lawsuit against that black student

excellence center in Portland Public Schools. And I think they're claiming that, you know, all you would have to do is just say a white student excellence center and find out how constitutional, something like that would be or something lawful would be. Okay. Exactly. But when you look at, when you look at people who continue institute policies that reinforce homelessness, reinforce drug addiction, drive investors.

out, make landlords suffer, and you're broke, can you reach any conclusion other than the intention is to destroy the society? Yep, bring it down. Kevin Sterrett, we're talking about Oregon politics right now here on KMED. Let me just grab a quick call from someone. I hopefully want to talk to you. Hi, who's this? You're on with Kevin. Guess who, Bill? Citizen Krebs. Hey, Krebs. Citizen Krebs, good heading on. What are you thinking about Kevin's take on things, huh? Well, I'd like to hear Kevin's. take on what we've spoken about, about compulsory voting. What does he think about that? I don't think if we've ever talked with Kevin about compulsory voting. Citizen Krebs, by the way,

is on with you, Kevin. And he said that the way we would get out of some of this, or we would actually be better off if we had compulsory voting rather than voluntary voting. And tell Kevin what your point was on that again. Well, the compulsory voting is the same situation that they have in Australia, where they have 92 to 96% voter turnout. Now, I don't really care how people vote. I just want the citizenry to actually be more involved, and the best way to do that is to hit them in their pocketbook if they don't vote. What do you think about that, Kevin? Well, okay, let me tell you this. If you look at the ballot measures that have passed recently, not the most recent one because that was a tax measure, right?

But if you look at what the voters have passed with ballot measures, for the last 20 years or so, they've been uniformly horrible. And the reason for that is because the voters don't know what's in the ballot measures. They read the, you know, the lines that the Attorney General wrote. They don't know what the truth is because it's so misleading. I am not all that interested in having people direct my future who have no idea what the hell they're doing. And so— Kevin, I understand that. I get that. But if you had a compulsory voting and you basically say, look, we're going to charge you to pay for the election if you don't get involved, they will start to get involved. These measures are being passed by a 30 to 40 percent voter turnout. Where's the other 60 or 70 percent of the voters in this state if they just get so apathetic that they really don't care what happens? Maybe if they get charged or if they get hit in the wall,

it, they will start to care. Will that make them pay attention to it more, though? I don't know. Kevin? No, I know. I get it. I don't know if they don't care. But, okay, let's say we're in this situation now where the coming governor's race

gives you a choice between Kotech and Dresen, right? And you are forced to vote. If you're forced to vote for someone you absolutely abhor, you know, sometimes not voting and there's a lot of undervotes in certain races. is if you just can't bring yourself to put someone in office who you find absolutely to be a horrible, unethical person, is it a good idea to compel someone to make that choice? And I would like to see a big voter turnout, but I wonder if the, you know, the Republicans have the biggest undervote, right?

A lot of Republicans don't vote. Yeah. And there's two reasons for that. One is that Republicans have been terrible about get out the vote where the Democrats will actually break the law, go to old age homes and stuff, and harvest ballots. Republicans have to be better at getting the ballots picked up, you know, even if they have to go pick them up from people. They don't do that very well. But the other thing is, is that the Republicans haven't given voters anything to be passionate about, you know, and so. Yeah, voting for something rather

than against Tina Kotech. Right. I mean, if you're, if you're forced to vote and the only options you have are all bad, then I don't know that things will necessarily improve. And look, it's all speculation, what you're saying could possibly work. We have no way of knowing. But I would much rather see the leadership change. I mean, I think I've mentioned many times, you know, I got an email from the head of the Republican Party who said, we don't care what the principles or positions of candidates are. Okay. Now, there is one aspect of the citizen crab plan, though, which is worthy of noting. A vote of none of the above. How about that? Does that change your opinion on it? That would change my opinion. Okay.

Very much. The other thing that would change my opinion is if we could somehow move away from the emphasis on ballot measures, which I think are very un-Republican, you know, we're supposed to be in a republic, which means we're supposed to be represented. And if it's like a mob rule for every issue. The fact is, we get a lot of bad laws that come out of the legislature. There's no question that is true. But when that happens, that happens. The laws are evaluated. They're dissected. And then sometimes we come up with really bad decisions. But when you have those bad decisions and laws that come out of the legislature, you know exactly who is responsible. All right. Very good. And we get a terrible vote on a ballot measure. Who do you blame? Who do you

whole responsible. The fact is the people passed a ballot measure that said the best Republicans can't run again. The people passed a ballot measure that said everybody could do fentanyl on the street because they had no idea what those measures really meant. That's right. And even though we would try to tell them what that really meant, and then people would call me afterwards and say, well, I didn't really understand it. I know. I know. Okay. I have friends who are very conservative, very tuned in, politically aware, who voted for that drug ballot measure, absolutely convinced that it was going to go to rehabilitation, which is nonsense. But how could you look?

And I'm not pretending that the stuff that comes out of the legislature is good. All right. All right, Kevin, I'm just, I'm almost out of daylight here. So once you hang on, just a minute, hang on. And then I want to go to the good news here. We actually have some good news that we'll wrap on. Okay. All right.

All right. And so we'll pick this up then. Kevin Staring, and we're wrapping up the week on a political note here on KMED. It's not all about you when it comes to your well water quality. There's a lot going on below the surface. It's our way of giving back to the Rogue Valley because you've given so much to us. Garrisons.com. This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing.

For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit Fontanarroofing Services.com. the week wraps up here. I want to make sure to get to the good news. In fact, I probably should have got to the good news first with Kevin Sterrett. But Kevin, we kind of got, you know, we sort of wandered into the primary and the political situation first here. But let's talk about the good news in the Second Amendment issue here that you have just put out, just putting that news out over at Oregon Firearms Federation. Yeah, you know, I'm always such a ray of sunshine. It's actually nice to have something positive to say. We talked recently about how the Oregon state police were denying firearms transfers to people who had convictions that were expunged.

And in Oregon, they call it a set-aside, that basically the crime didn't happen. And so when you purchase a firearm and you fill out the form and it says, if you ever been convicted of a felony, you can legally say no. Well, somehow the Oregon State Police, I guess, through the Department of Justice, got all the records of people who had these set-asides, which they should not have had, and were denying transfers. This has been going on for, I think, a little over a year. So there's been a lot of back and forth, a lot of lawyers got involved. There was actually a lawsuit pending. And recently I told you that the Department of Justice had said, you know, in a phone call had basically said, yeah, we think we're wrong about this.

And so that was really positive news. And now it's absolutely been acknowledged an email that was forwarded to me from a Assistant Attorney General Department of Justice, Natalie Fisher, she slash her, acknowledging that, yes, the policy was wrong, it's being changed, and it appears from her email that they're actually going to go back and start reevaluating the people they screwed in the past. And that was not clear to me. When we heard about the phone call, it sounded like they were no longer pursuing this illegal policy, but it wasn't clear if they were going to try to do anything about the mistakes and the illegalities that they were responsible for previously. But it says, I think it says that NICS is manually reviewing all NICS indices and Oregon set aside is in the process of removing each indicator.

So whether that means the National Institute check system is going to be taken care of this or the state police is going to be taken care of it, it looks pretty positive. It looks like some of the people who, you know, been denied unlawfully in the past will be, that will be rectified. But it certainly does, it certainly looks like it will not be happening in the future. is pretty rare good news in the state where the, you know, the state police fix unit, fires as the Czech system unit, is under the thumb of a radically anti-gun governor and takes their marching orders from her. This was clearly an effort to deny guns to as many people as possible, and that policy is now DOA. Thank you so much. And we'll wrap with that. And you can find out more, Oregonfirearms.org. And yep, I'm going to send you some more.

I'm going to send you some more for the pack because there's going to be some big battles in 2026 and keeping quality candidates in there, especially the ones that aren't necessarily favorites of the lobbyists, is a good idea, I think, a good action plan that we can do. Kevin, thanks so much, all right. Be well. Thank you. Take care. 854 and change. This is the Bill Myers Show. One of each K-4, Venn, 235, 722, MSRP, 24-185. Tell you, right, Vin, 6772-5.

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And Gar right, me, a lot of other people weighing in on the Commissioner Smith controversy in Josephine County. And Gar saying, Bill, sounds like the wrong commissioner. or the wrong commissioners were getting recalled time to start on this one i'm not going there but there's certainly an issue uh david writes me hello bill a tough times call for tough people evidently mr smith is not up to the task we asked him to take on i'm sorry that i voted for him i thought we had elected a fighter and this is not uncommon kind of what ended up uh coming in here and uh richard ends up writing bill i never thought oregon politicians could

be worse than the Salem cabal but after listening to the commissioner from joe county belly ache about his hurt feelings i have to admit i was wrong organ is a cultural fiscal and political train wreck no wonder nothing constructive gets done merry christmas okay wow that's kind of the way the email bag was kind of a looking this morning okay jeff from selma weighs in bill as far as the keto the keto thing and eating sardines and all that sort of good stuff and Jeff weighs in Bill well if you want to get biblical Jesus said I am the bread of life the Lord's prayer contains give us this day our daily bread granted he made the disciples fishers of men but I don't sardines don't see sardines anywhere all right Jeff don't want to get too biblical in that we can argue about that kind of stuff all day

but fair enough the Reverend david says bill on prohibition the problem with prohibiting things that the American people want hasn't worked from the beginning of our nation. One of my favorite books, The Origins of the American Revolution, speaks of the molasses text. Very good point. We'll talk maybe more about that Monday. Now, the email Bill at Billmyershow.com. Catch you then. It's the holiday love celebration at Mercedes-Benz of Medford, and you're inviting.