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Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Much talk on the Talent Library perv controversy - First with Jackson County Library Board VP Kevin Keating with his take, then former JXLS librarian and Upper Rogue area Manager Charlene Prinsen.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klauserdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Kevin Keating joins me. He's the vice chair of the Jackson County Library System Board, and, boy, there's been a lot going on. It's been quite a storm about what happened over in town. How you doing this morning, Kevin? Welcome.

It's good to have you on. Good. Thank you, Bill. How are you doing? I'm doing fine. I imagine around the board you're all not so good. I guess there have been better days over at the Jackson County Library System Board, wouldn't you say? Yeah, but it's not about us. It's about, you know, parents and the children who are involved in this and everyone feels bad. Yeah, let me just preface this with what happened if someone just waking up

and they didn't see the story that was out there over the weekend. Rogue Valley Times ended up talking about this story. A patron ended up losing life. library privileges after apparently looking at what looks to be child porn, you know, zooming in on the kids' genitalia, and it happened not once, not twice, but three times. A 32-year-old man identified in the paperwork as Nicholas, and I guess some of the people are wondering why I took three times, and maybe you can just tell me when you as a member of the board ended up finding out about that.

sure and just caveat i'm speaking for myself not the board yep and you know almost everything i'm hearing is hearsay um we i led a meeting on wednesday our normal jcLS board meeting and uh in public comments a gentleman came up he was employee of the library and uh addressed the entire board and told us about uh his testimony as to what uh occurred on thursday friday and monday okay A good question is, why did you have to hear from that employee at a public meeting rather than through the normal chain of command, through the management of the district, I guess? I don't know the answer to that question, Bill. Oh, okay. And has there been, well, of course, I know you can't talk about personnel matters directly, but, all right, what happened then, as far as you know, as a member of the board, from what happened in that meeting?

I know that, you know, there was this response that we're going to ban this guy from the library for a little while. I'm just like wondering, was there, you know, when did police get called, et cetera? Could you kind of give us a timeline? Help us understand. Sure. What I understand from, you know, what was said at the board meeting, and, you know, we, our employees are substantiating this, is that a patron had slipped a note to one of the staff at Telling Library. Thursday, saying that there's a person looking in naked images of infants. So, you know, I believe the branch manager went to check on that, and it was something that was, you know, deemed by that person not to be unacceptable.

You know, it was like someone having a bath in the bathtub or something like that. So it wasn't like bath in a bathtub. So it wasn't like a bath in a bathtub kind of thing or something different? Well, I understand it was a baby being bathed in a bathtub. So, I mean, like, okay, you know, I'm not going to get into the, I mean, I don't know how to say who would judge what to be, you know, bad or not. But this guy was obviously the patron, or the pedophile was obviously, you know, aware that he's being watched. So what he was watching at that time was not particularly inappropriate. In any case, they continued to monitor him.

And, you know, it should have been taking care of at that point, right? But it wasn't. And the patron left at 6.30. And I guess Friday and Saturday he had been in. And, you know, his staff went around him. You know, every kid knows, you know, the alt-tapped method where, you know, just change what's on the screen when someone's watching. So that happened. And then Monday, Monday, another patron had come to the –

desk with video footage and had already called the police and there was video of job pornography I guess okay yeah not not a pleasant thing no doubt um so they called the police took charge at that point I'm kind of wondering do we know at this point why uh why library employees didn't call police at first inkling of this when it first happened on the 11th or the 13th do you know I could I don't know why they didn't at that point. I think they did not think it rose to the level, but that's my guess. Okay.

Now, what is the policy for using the computers at the Jackson County Library system overall? You know? Yeah. Here's the thing is that it's clear in our system or policy. We do have filters on there. the first form of the policy says that our job is to prevent access to obscene material. Secondly, there is no expectation of privacy. I found that interesting because in the Road Valley Times story,

supposedly there was an upper management person who ended up telling a lower level employee saying that, well, we have to respect the patron's privacy. Is that right? If that turns out to be true, then that was incorrect. Okay. You know what I mean? So, yeah, that would be a problem if that was said. A couple of things I do want to say.

I mean, I guess everyone, every one of us on the board is demanding answers to this. Management has issued a statement saying, you know, we screwed up. In the initial handling of this incident, probably should have been taken care of on Thursday. and we are determined to find out what all the facts are. We are going to address training, staffing, and making sure that they act first and then worry about the, you know, quibbling over whether it's actually job pornography or not or whatever it is. Just like stop the action from happening. And then encourage action, stop, you know, worrying about your supervisor first. And then if there's any kind of policy that needs changing, which I'm not sure that there is,

but if we need to make it more explicit, then that that's where the board comes in. And then, as you said, I can't really talk about any HR kind of issues at this point. Yeah, no, I get that. I get that. What about the actual way that the computers are operated? Now, I don't know if this is something beyond your scope or your knowledge about this, Kevin. And so I'm just going to throw it at you, though. Is it possible for someone to surf something nasty on a library computer and then hide the evidence of it like clear the cache, clear the browsing history,

or is that disabled on the library systems? I'm wondering if law enforcement is going to dig into this one, they would normally look at what happened and what that computer was doing, the computer system was doing during these alleged porn-viewing times at the library. That's a great question, and I don't know the answer to whether police could access the history of it of that session. I just don't know, but I'll make sure I find out. Okay. Yeah, I would be interested to know that since there is no assumption of privacy or presumption of privacy there would seem that, you know, there's really no protection about that.

You're going to do something on a library system computer, then it's pretty much open, isn't it? in my opinion it should be um in my opinion whatever you do on a on a public computer is available to be checked now at the same time if you're doing finances on there i don't want you know i don't think it's credible that someone should be able to go back and look at your finances yeah you don't want passwords things like that right you know that's sensitive information but yeah you know if you're looking at at little kids naked pictures uh with a purient history is that how you pronounce it purient interest uh i don't know yeah we don't want to go yeah we don't want to go there okay and uh what kind of uh so the general the general feeling on the board

though is that they're not sitting down for this one and it's not uh not a political matter i would imagine at least i hope it wouldn't be yeah again i you know we haven't spoken as a board on this it but every individual on the board um you know is is worried and determined to, I think I could say everyone's determined to figure out what's going on and fix it immediately. Now, one question I would have when it comes to the politics of it, though, I wonder if there's a reason why this particular individual chose the talent library, because talent has, shall we say, a reputation of being very inclusive and or very open, I guess. I don't know if that's, if I'm even using the right turn, right terms. And maybe they thought that there

be a little less, you know, paying attention to something like that. Is there any evidence of that that we know about at this point? No, there's nothing that I've heard anyone say that talent would be more likely to be a place where you could do that than any other branch. Okay. I would have expected that's just where this guy lives. Okay, all right. It's kind of curious because, you know, my friends and I, we always joke about that

sometimes the political bent of talent makes Ashland look, you know, conservative by. And, you know, well, you know, when you hear that story, though, about someone say, well, we have to protect the, the patrons' privacy is like, what? Okay. And it may be wondering if that was kind of like an unofficial talent library branch policy. It is he going to be getting at that sort of thing? Yeah, no, I think, honestly, that's something that we would make sure that we address in training to make sure that every branch is perceived the same and is the same. fact of what their managers would allow and not allow. But there's nobody that I can imagine would allow this to have happened. Good. Is there full access for talent police and the other investigators to look through this, just grinding that? Yes, I believe so. I mean, if not,

then we'll make it so. Clearly, we're going to cooperate fully on this with the talent police, anything that they want that we're able to give them, yeah. Yeah, okay. Well, very good. I mean, that'll be in my positions, clearly, yes. Anything else we should know before I cut you loose for your day job, huh? No, I have been monitoring what's going on on Jackson County scanner. I think they've been, you know, the public is justified in being, you know, angry about this.

I'm angry about it. And we're going to make sure that this is fixed. It's too easy to say that, you know, safety first, but clearly protection of children should be the number one priority of a library. I'd rather not have a library if we can't protect our children. All right, fair enough. Kevin Keating, once again, he's vice chair of the Jackson County Library Systems Board, and I appreciate you coming in and talking about it, okay? Thanks so much. All right, thanks, Bill.

See you, Kevin. Kevin Keating, 722 at KMED. 993 KBXG. Charlene at American Industrial Door. On behalf of all of us at American Industrial Door, I would like to sincerely thank all of our customers with a legacy spray on bedline. News Talk 1063, KMET.

This is the Bill Myers Show. 724. On the first day of Christmas, my true love sent to me a tree in a bread tree. And one of my Christmas gifts, as always, the wonderful thoughts in conversation with Francine. Hey, Francine, how are you doing over in the city of town? I have to ask you. Hey, what do you think?

Now, I ask Kevin Keating, of course, he's the board chair, you know, a vice chair over at Jackson County Library Systems Board. And he doesn't think that it had anything to do with that it being a talent branch, but just the guy who's under suspicion of watching Kitty porn just lives in talent. I was just wondering if he thought he could get away with it more. What was your impression knowing the branch? Just curious. Well, they're pretty wussed out over there, you know, but they're also very nice.

They've always been very nice to me. I don't have any issues with the library. Well, that's good. In fact, I'm going to be going there, I think, today, because I have to return an audiobook. And I'm debating whether I should open my mouth or not, you know, and if I do, you know, see the response. Should I put my phone in a shirt pocket and record it? You know, I mean, I'm coming up with all this stuff because I'm really. blown away by this that they didn't make a big deal out of it well it sounds like the it sounds like

employees you know the lower level employees were troubled by this and then they were kind of told at least according to the story as i was reading it that upper management saying you know you have to protect the uh the patrons privacy i guess uh oh yeah we got to protect perverts that's what yeah what about the i mean do these people not comprehend what happens to a child especially the youngest children that are so tiny when they are, you know, used by perverts. They have no business being lackadaisical about this. I mean, that is absolute torture. It's often a death sentence for the child.

Yeah, and I agree. And the other aspect of this is that I know that it's not up to library employees to be getting in people's faces and grabbing them and throwing them out and doing all that kind of stuff. I get that, right? You know, you got to be careful of what the police are supposed to be there for. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I would, yeah, that's the main thing. And some people are saying, yeah, you don't want them to be the enforcement arm. But at the same time, though, I don't know. I wonder what the, you know how teachers are all there to be, they're considered first responders or mandatory reporters. I wonder if librarians are mandatory reporters, do you know? Well, let's put it this way, if you were in a supermarket and something terrible started happening, you know, the place caught on fire, wouldn't you expect the employees? employees to help people, to help lead the people out? I mean, you're working at a place. It's your job. You have a responsibility to the patrons that goes, you know, that's the kind of place you work

at where there are people in public. Okay. It's responsibility to deal with that. That's what you're there for. You're working there. You're not just a fixture like a lamp. Yeah, not just there to say, yeah, would you like a library card? Of course, do they have library cards? Yeah, there's a responsibility that comes with any job where you engaged with the public. All right. That's just, you know, that's my opinion. Okay. Well, that's good.

That's what this is all about. Now, you actually call about something different, though. Go ahead. Well, I, yeah. But I had to ask you since you're in talent. I mean, you're a perfect place to ask about that. No, no. I understand.

And it just so happens. I am going to go there today, and I'm debating whether to open my mouth or not. Okay. Well, you tell me if there's a bunch of people from Nambla handing out, you know, handing out things that say, listen, we love children. No, we really love children, you know. Oh, God. Yikes.

Oh, Bill. I know. Just kidding. Really. So about the power outage over in the Bay Area the other day, great story, huh? I know. All the self-driving cars kind of went berserk. They got confused because we're no traffic lights.

What could possibly go wrong turning over the entire infrastructure? the transportation infrastructure to the connected self-driving car. I mean, really, Bill, you know, you know how I feel about this, anything that's autonomous, you know, all that stuff, the AI, I hate it all so much. I mean, yesterday it took me about a minute or two of conversation with the phone company when I called them after having to deal with the automated, you know, answer machine thing. Like, no, I want to speak to a person. No, I really want to speak to a person.

I just, it makes me crazy. I hate this whole AI thing. I think it's an absolute going to be a disaster. Well, it's actually part of the, I mean, it's going to be our downfall as far as the people go, because everyone is going to become totally reliant upon AI and talking with AI and stuff. We're going to lose our humanity behind all this. That seems that way.

I hope it doesn't go there, but I can't help it to agree with you. It was the inevitable. Yeah, it was the other day that I was having an issue in which we're closing. an office up in Grants Pass and moving things around. So I'm getting in touch with Spectrum, right, in order to get this, to get a closing bill and get this all done, right? You know, all this kind of stuff. And so I call the line and press one if you want this, press two if you want this, press three if you want this, or stay on the line or say this what you want. And I say, customer service, because I know this is not something I'm going to be able to do

just by pressing a few buttons, right? Right. And then, are you sure you want to do this? Have you tried resetting? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then customer service. Okay, what did you want to do customer service about? Customer service.

You know, you just keep saying it again and again, hoping that it's like hoping that it will give up on you and finally collapse. It just does eventually. If you stay firm that you will not engage in a conversation with a, where the robot, eventually the robot will give up, just like the autonomous cars in San Francisco couldn't run anymore because, oh, the traffic lights aren't working. Gotta love it.

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This is minor days. I want to wish everybody a Merry Christmas and a happy new year. and I expect you'll be off until the first of the year then, huh? Yeah, yep, until after tomorrow, I'll be off until, let's see, January 2nd. So it'll be Chris DeGall, be a Manhattan Steamroller, of course, Christmas Day, and then the Christogall, whoever's filling in for Chris DeGall while I'm gone, okay? Yeah, so I had two things in my bonnet. One is, is Oregon's dead because when they get rid of, when they close the plants in Washington,

you're not going to get any gas or diesel except from Asia, and they'll have to be brought in on boats. And the other thing is, is we had a flood warning here yesterday from 4 to 10 p.m. last night. How's the river actually looking? I'm wondering how much of that clay is being washed into the Klamath? Well, I don't know because I can't get over there, but I imagine it's pretty good because if they were seeing flooding in Hornbrook, that'd be coming from the Klamath River. Yeah. You know, so I don't know exactly yet. A friend of mine that I've been driving around is waiting until he gets money from Social Security, and he's found a car for me, a nice.

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I could use a generator because the last few days my solar has been kind of down. Gee, imagine that. And, of course, what does the state of Oregon want everybody to survive on? It's solar. What could go wrong except winter, right? Right. Or if we were to have windmills, they'd explode because of the wind down here. Well, you know, I have a spare generator.

Maybe I can loan it to you for a while. Would you want that? Can I give it to your brother? Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, all right. It's an old craftsman from Y2K, but it works great. It's loud, though, okay? Right, yeah.

Yeah, you live out in rural area. I'll get in touch with your brother and see if he can take care of that, okay? All right, that'd be great. All right. All right, thank you. See you. 733 at KMED. All right, we're going to break for news here, and then right after that,

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Asante is downsizing more, the regional care facility. 738, Charlene Princeton joins me right now. We're going to continue talking about what went on it. Talent Library, in the Jackson County Library System, not just once, twice, but three times. How are you doing this morning? Welcome. Hi. Hey, good morning, Bill. Yeah, a little bit of your background here.

You used to actually work at the Eagle Point Library a few years back. Yeah. I was the zone manager for the Upper Rogue, so White City is stretching up to prospect. But, yes, I mainly worked in the Eagle Point Library. And before that, I had worked in various positions. What is your impression of what we know so far that there was a library patron? I will use that term loosely in scary air quotes. allegedly watching kid porno on district library computers.

And this happened on the 11th, the 13th, and on the 15th. And it took three times, I think, before something really ended up being done about that. Okay. Well, what I wanted to say right away is, in response to your conversation with Francine, is that librarians are definitely mandatory reporters. They are mandatory. Okay. I was wondering about that.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And so I don't know how much training is going on and how much they realize what they can do. I don't know. But the other point I wanted to make is this is not a new problem. This is an old problem since we've had computers in the library. No kidding. I didn't know because you never hear about this, really. Well, of course. So there's a reason for that. So, yeah, so it's going on. We've had policies. I was just reviewing the Internet use policy here. There's like four pages. It's on the library's website. Anybody can look at it. And I see that it was last revised. Let's see, last revised in October of this year.

But it was created in 2015, and we've had others before that. But I will tell you, the staff hates this. They would turn everybody in if they could, I'm sure, because it's just horrible. And also... So I just want to be clear, you said that the staff... in your opinion hates the internet policy in no they hate it that people come in and get on foreign oh oh okay all right okay that's good so so the staff is not is not liking this or being open to it then okay oh no I'm sure it's overall they're not happy with what's happened

and and so let's see what I was going to tell you something else let's see so oh no and we were always very vigilant you know we walked around and we see what's going on on, and we're not spying on people, but, you know, who usually told us was other patrons if somebody was looking at something that was, you know, and we never had that level where I saw child porn, but that's like the worst. But we did see people getting on things that were, that we could have shut them down, put it that way. And the librarians have the ability to shut down computers from their desk. So they can't have to go and talk to them. I didn't know that. Okay, so now how do you know, is there like screen mirroring or is there like?

like a notification that comes through and says like so-and-so over there is is playing around in the wrong internet pool. Not at all. No, not at all. But if I saw it on somebody's computer and I just have, we used to book, you know, we had to book their time. So we had a, well, you know, one computer would be set up that we would see what, you know, so-and-so, you know, you would get one-hour time.

So you would see somebody has 15 minutes left, 20 minutes left, whatever. But we also had the opportunity then at that time to just stop it. So, but that, I don't even know if that exists anymore because I think they get more time, two hours, whatever. So, but then they wouldn't have to confront them, but they still would because they'd come at you mad asking why their computers were shut down. So it's kind of tricky for people. Yeah, I would imagine so. And you don't want to get to the point where library, where library employees and people there are, you know, in day. I guess they do. They have a lot of people get mad at them. So that's what's kind of nerve-wracking. So, but if you would see this policy, you would see that they had total control over whether this guy was able to use computers or not. Even if that first incident wasn't real bad, but it was still questionable, they could have done something. And, oh, we used to trespass people that we could call the police. And so I don't know if they're even doing that anymore.

I know that in the Rogue Valley Times story, there was a comment that one of the employers, one of the employees, rather, had commented that upper management said, well, we have to protect the patrons' privacy. Was that something that you were aware of when you were managing? Well, everybody had a certain amount of privacy, but not, you know, the computers are visible to everybody. You could walk by and see what people are looking at. So I don't know why they would say that. We'll tell you, DEI plays a lot in this. It does? Oh, I think so. Equity. Everybody has to have equity.

That's why they had certain programs because unhoused, that's why we use the word unhoused. So in your opinion, being a former library district employee, then equity also involves what, yeah, a kid porno watching by perverts? Well, not porno watching, but, you know, this ultra-privacy business, yeah. I would say. I mean, that needs to be clarified a bit, and I can't really. I'm not there now, so I don't know. But I'm just saying I know that might be a knee-jerk reaction from some people. Okay, I get that. Not the staff. They don't like it. Oh, okay. All right. So the staff, this is not a staff problem then. This is an upper management and or policy problem that we're looking at here. Now, now the first time, you could just, they certainly have the right then, or maybe even the duty to call talent police. Wouldn't that be the case? Well, I would, yeah, it could, but I would say, I assume they would have called their manager for the library. You know, the talent manager must have been involved here somewhere. And at that point, he or she could go and if they had a question about it, call their manager.

So. Do you know if employees, though, are empowered? Of course, I love that term, you know, the empowered in the workplace, to be able to. just call the police on their own volition if they see something that they think is illegal? Well, there's no managers there, and I would assume they would have discussed these kind of scenarios before so that they would have had permission. You know, you can't blame them. And I think the talent library is right next to the police department.

Oh, that makes it convenient. So it wouldn't have been a big deal. I have that whole complex there of all their government offices. So I assume it's close by. Now, your knowledge of the library system, like when you were in it, by the way, Charlene Princeton is with me this morning. I appreciate your experience, you know, bringing just some commentary on this. Is there any evidence that you would think that talent would be a little more loosey-goosey about such policies, as contrasted with, let's say, Eagle Point or White City or Metford or some other place, just given that the political bent of the city is, shall we say, quite a bit more progressive. Just curious.

Yeah, well, I wouldn't want to commit to saying that. I don't want to throw anybody under the bus. Okay. I'm not going to right now. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. And once again, I don't think the staff would like it. So to let these things go, whether they live in talent or not.

I'm not sure everybody who works in talent lives in talent. So it might be from somebody from White City could be working in talent. All right. Now, do you know, given the fact that a librarian, and can shut down a patron's internet activity right from their desk, right from the central point. Not all of them. Just, you know, maybe there's, I think there's probably a designated terminal where you can, where people's times, you know, you have to register. You have to put in your library card to get on there. And then you tells you how much time you have. So that monitor there, and that's, I don't know where they keep that anymore. Yeah, I was, you know, it's been five years since I've been there. So it may have changed.

Okay, could be. Yes. To your knowledge is, and Kevin was not able to answer this, and I know that a board vice president probably wouldn't be. It's something you have to ask the IT person, but maybe you had experience. Do you know if, let's say, someone is wanting to look at kiddie porn and they get on there? Are they able to cover their tracks such as clear cash? Like how much of what depth of control of the computer does someone have when they're using a Jackson County Library system computer? Do you know? Well, what we always, well, what we were assured is that if somebody used the computer, and I think Kevin touched on this, and they were doing their finances, booking, flights, whatever, and they would have sometimes there'd be something where they'd have to put in their Social Security card, and they were always apprehensive about that, and they'd ask us, and we were told, they closed on their session, it's gone.

Oh, so everything is designed to erase the tracks then when you close the browser? Yes. But who know, I don't know how, there's so much going on now with, you know, how people get into computers and, you know, the people who work on tech, what they can do. I mean, it's pretty more advanced. So they may be able to, well, we used to have that, we used to have that police force in, where is that, Central Point. And what was that called? It was called, yeah, the sexual exploitation, the crime, yeah, the crime, yeah, Josh Mullen and all the people that were part of that. Yes, yes, and he even came and spoke at our library once, and I have a feeling they are able to get into things.

Well, they used to be able to drive down streets and tell if people were on porn. All right, so even though the cookies and everything else are probably wiped away when they close, when I say cookies, it's the, you know, the Internet cookies that track everything. Yeah, I suppose. There's probably still a trail that computer forensic people can go into, but just like, it's like somebody else that goes in there and uses the, computer is not going to go in there and figure out your passwords and your social security number from the person before, you know, that kind of thing. I assume some specialists might be able to do that. I'm sure the FBI could.

Okay. All right. Well, I appreciate the insight, though. Do you think the board is reacting properly in your view, having been a former manager in the system? Well, so far, I mean, I don't know if they've taken any action. I think they all just heard about it in the last few days. Well, I guess there's them. I didn't see the board meeting on Wednesday.

Wednesday when this employee came and talked about it. But the fact that he came and talked about it shows that there's some unhappiness there in the system. Yeah. So, yeah. So what I was going to say is, I sent you an email with all the board members and their emails. I don't know if you saw it.

Yes, I did. I have. Okay. Well, I thought, I don't know if you can post that. Oh, okay. I think people should be aware and they should be writing to the board. Whenever they have issues like this that they see, they should be writing to the board. They need to know what's going on in the different branches.

Well, I'll tell you what. I really appreciate that, and I will post that information, and so this way people could ask questions of the board directly and get down to the bottom of it. I think that's a good thing. And I don't think this is going away anytime soon from the sounds of it here. No, well, it's an age-old problem, so it just needs to. Here's the clue. They need to follow their own policy, the line.

library, because I was reviewing it, and it would have been very simple to nip it in the bud. We were always very vigilant about that. Yeah. And even if you had a patron who was starting to get on that edge, there's no right then to use that computer, right? Correct? Well, it's on the edge. Yeah, I don't know.

Well, you know, I'd have to know the circumstances, but yeah. All right. Also, I believe their next meeting is there something in jail. They meet the third Wednesday of every month, down in the. the big community room in the Medford Library. And that's also on the web page, too, you can find. So anyway, people should go and attend and just see what happened. All right. Very good. Charlene Brinson, a former manager in the, now what kind of a manager were you in Eagle Point, again? Well, they called it area manager. Now I think they call it zone

manager, but I was over the libraries in the upper rogue. What do you think about the push? I just kind of throwing this one at you. I read that library workers are planning on unionizing and that they voted to do this. Good plan for them, you think? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it's good or not.

I was in the previous union at one time here, and I didn't like it at the time. And so I'm not sure what their motivation is. I don't know. So it would be interesting to find out why they want to unionize. And, you know, that won't be for all the employees. It's not for management. It's for the hourly workers.

Okay. So, yeah. Charlene, I appreciate... I'm going to give them some security. Yeah, yeah, okay. Charlene, I appreciate the take, and thanks for having joined the show today. Be well. Okay.

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What's on your mind? Well, good morning. Good morning. I just wanted to suggest a guest if you could have her on Deborah D-D-E-G-R-O-F-S. Is that F-S-N-F-S-N-F-S-N-T? F as in Frank or F-As-N-T-E, yeah. And she's amazing. You know, she read tons of children's books as a child,

and she was looking into the books of her children and also the grandchildren now. And it's just amazing how, like even the spelling of mother is not. even spelling mother out. It's one tall box with two small boxes, I imagine, in the chest area. But it's even like they're taking away the sweetness and falling in love. Like they'll tell a story about some guy working in some place, and then some cute girl comes in. And not that he falls in love, they just go and do it in the bathroom. And that's it. There's not even any more talk about it. Everything is being dumbed down. And then people believe such crap. It's like it blows me away that we're allowing all the floods when

we have the technology to cloud seed with iodine or, you know, the sulfur, not sulfur, but carbon dioxide. Yeah, well, I wanted to speak to your point, though, about the, you know, I'm going to, I saved a pitch, you know, what I call in my industry an interview pitch is somebody who wants to get an interview. They think they have something that you'll find interesting. And I can't find it right now. I've got a stack of old ones in here.

I'm going to see if I can find it here quickly. And it doesn't appear that I can. I will find it. I hope I'll try to find it during the break here, Lucretia. And it had to do with someone that it was talking about, and it was a children's book author, and a children's book author that arguably was just going down the wokey-pokey-hose.

highway because everything was about interspecies love and why love with a pig and a hippo can be incredibly messy, but it's okay. Everything was about preaching. You could see that it was all about preaching the LGBTQ kind of agenda through the back door of children's, of children's book. At least that's how I kind of interpreted it. And it's kind of like hiding out in plain sight. So I think it's interesting what's going on. Children's books. I think people read books that children read at three, four years old in high school. You know, it's like everything's just being dumbed down, their attention spend is nothing now. Yeah.

Well, the quality that I'm seeing, though, with these kind of authors, though, is certainly not like, what was that old classic book, Good Night Moon, you know, that everybody had, everybody read back in the day, you know, that kind of stuff? Oh, really? Yeah. Did you ever read Good Night Moon to anyone? one? No, I did read Aldous Huxley, Brave New World. It was most depressing time of my life ever, and I was over in Hawaii. It was just terrible. Okay, now you were reading this as a kid. You were reading Aldous Huxley as a kid? No, no, it's about in 2011. And I just...

Oh, okay. I was speaking of a little earlier. I was thinking, boy, if you were reading Brave New World as a little kid, yeah, no wonder you're the way you are. I'm having fun with you. You know that, Lucretia. Okay. I know, if you're not a conspiracy theorist, you're just living in a box in La La Land or whatever, you know, because it's pretty much everything we know is a lie. Well, there's one thing that I can't tell you, though. I don't know if you read Willamette Week. I was reading Willamette Week this morning out of Portland, and they were decrying the fact that one out of ten children are not being vaccinated properly in the government school system. And they're really, they're really sounding the alarm about this.

And I'm thinking to myself, oh, so that means that one out of 10 parents actually paying attention. That's how I interpreted it. Exactly. Thanks for the call. Merry Christmas. Have I talked to you before. Okay? Yeah.

Have a good Christmas. All right. Bye, Lucretia. This is KMED, KMED, H.D. H.D.H.D.H.D.E.O.O.O.P.E.E.E.E.O.O.