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Episode Date: December 27, 2025

Jo County Commissioner Chris discusses his fight against the recall...I am personally in favor of no more TEAM CHAOS. Later a talk with Glenn Kaphammer, Talent Library Specialst. Tells his side of the library patron looking at naked kid photos.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Brad's checking in, a little bit of open phone time. I think Christopher, or Commissioner rather, Chris Barnett should be checking in here in just a moment, too. Making a last-minute pitch to the voters here as the ballots are out. How you doing, Brad? What's going on? Hey, Merry Christmas to the award-winning Bill Meyer.

Good to talk to you, Bill. Thank you, Brad. What's on your mind today, huh? So, Bill, as somebody who routinely punches above his weight class, did you know, and of course you are aware, here in Little Medford, Jackson County, which only has about 5% of the state's population, we are always punching above our weight class. And I heard mentioned yesterday the Rajneesh Puram deal up in Antelope back in the 80s. Did you know that there is a Medford connection to that? No, I was not aware. Enlighten me, please.

There is. So Rajneesh Param, we had this Eastern Mystic, moved in next to Antelope up there in eastern Oregon, wound up taking over the whole town, and criminal activities ensued, big investigation, the whole thing made national news. Our Attorney General at the time was Dave Fronmeyer. Big, tall, good-looking kid, Attorney General. Dave Fronemeyer was born and raised right here in... Medford, son of the very well-known and successful attorney Otto Fronmeyer.

And he's the one that ended up by taking on then the Rajneeshis back in the day. A lot of people have forgotten about that story. I know. Took on the Rajneeshis. He wound up running for governor in 1990. He absolutely crushed it in the primary, ran against Barbara Roberts. Barbara Roberts, very poorly known in most of Oregon. and the problem, and the reason that Dave Fronmeyer did not get elected governor is because

leftist recruited and ran a man named Al Mowbly on an entirely different ticket with only one plank in his platform. He was anti-abortion, and Dave Fronmeyer had committed the one sin you cannot commit as a Republican, which he was pro-choice. Yeah, pro-choice is not working. You know, it still doesn't really work in Republican politics, does it but here here in oregon yeah because not not for a state-wide election i should say is what i'm going to but that was but that was the watershed that was the political watershed moment because the governor uh the governor at the time was new goldsman new goldsman was governor after vicaria so that was the last republican if he would have been elected governor that

would have changed the course of political history from oregon from then until now and so we might not have heard about all the perversion of Goldschmidt after the fact, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But what a wonderful family. The Prone Myers, what a wonderful family. They were so talented. Dave Proneyer was so smart, such a wonderful family. You know, wound up having a lot of influence on Oregon. But yeah, Dave Frommar, born and raised right here in Little Medford, Oregon, was he was the guy that shut down the Rajneesh. He's up in Antelope. All right. Point well taken. Brad, I appreciate that. Merry Christmas. Thanks for the call. Okay. It's 18 after 8. 7-7-0-K-M-E-D.

Josephine County Commissioner Chris Barnett, who is actually, well, they're trying to provide quorum. I guess what is the latest talk that, Chris? Welcome back, Commissioner. Morning. Hey, good morning, Bill. Good morning, everybody. The holidays are upon us. So, Merry Christmas to everybody out there. Yeah, I'm doing my job as much as I can to appoint another commissioner. That's my job. I took an oath to do it. And I'm going to have meetings every single day up until that 30-day deadline in hopes that Ron Smith will come to the table so we can have a quorum of the meeting. So we can at least have a discussion about it. Yeah, what's the meeting schedule? What's the next one? The next one's today at 10 a.m. 10 a.m. Okay, 10 a.m. today. And is there any way that there can be conversation. off the, you know, out of a public meeting in which you just say, hey, just come and, or is, or does that even have to be done in a public meeting? How does that work? No, the public meeting

law. I think Ron Smith said something like, oh, he's kind of talked to me about it. He hasn't. I mean, since I've been chair, it's been zero communication. So I've been emailing for business, and he gets those meeting requests. So he knows what's going on. And I just want him to be. part of the team. We are a team, and it's like playing a football game, and you don't have your running back, and I'm the quarterback, and I have nobody to throw the ball to. All we you're trying to do is have a discussion and try to appoint a commissioner within a 30-day deadline. We have a quorum of the board, and it states in the charter. We have a quorum of the board. A quorum of a meeting means you've got to have two or more there, and that's where, I guess you could say,

this recusal or not attendance issue is something that's never been done before in the commissioner's office, and especially not in Josephine. So we're trying to deal with that to say, hey, it says we shall appoint. That means we have to do our duty, and the charter requires a board of county commissioners to conduct the people's business. Yeah, but the idea was that the, you know, the whole purpose of having the other elected officials way in was if the board couldn't come to a decision. And it's not that they couldn't come to a decision. Commissioner Smith, the way I'm seeing this is doing his best to make sure that

the board can't even vote on making a decision, which is kind of a, it's kind of an odd way of going about it. But, you know, he and I, you know, we talked about that last week, and I'm not real, real happy with where this is going. But still, now you're, so I guess we're at the same situation. So chances are, now, could you even mention who you're leaning to at this point? What kind of a commissioner you'd like to see on the board? I have my pile already. I did my pile in a short amount of time. I've hired and fired people my whole entire life.

So this is new to me, and the timeline, I did it as soon as I got my information. I do piles, Bill. I do the A pile, the B pile, and an F pile. Okay. And the A pile is people that I'd like to interview or know more about. A B pile is possible backups in case you can't agree on an A pile. I get that, but can you comment on who's in the A pile? It's kind of what I'm kind of wondering about, or do you not?

No, I'm not going to comment because I think that's a discussion that we need to do openly and publicly for the people. How many people in the A, B, or C pile have actually had elected experience? You know? I'm going to say very, very, let's say probably two out of the bunch. Okay, all right. I must say. I'll give three out of that with other previous background. Okay.

I'll say three. All right. I'm just saying that the situation that Josephine County Board is facing at this point, I don't think it can afford anymore. Hey, I've never done anything before, and I'd like to become the commissioner. It's just my opinion. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot in the F-P.

which has no experience whatsoever and how to help. And I think people misunderstand what this job is all about. It's really management and managing departments and dealing with human resource issues, dealing with policy, dealing with budgets. You know, people think that, hey, let me just put my name in because it might be cool. This is a serious job. And I researched it before I even put my name in there to go, okay, I've got a well-rounded background. I might be able to help the county in these certain areas, and I believe that I've been, my promise to the people that I've campaigned on, I'm fulfilling.

Yeah, I get that, but both you and Commissioner Smith had not had, you know, elected office experience, which is always, you know, it is a different, it is a different kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of, I think, we'll just call them. In the past, I've termed it the hissy fitters on the recall. It's not that I'm endorsing you or Ron Smith or anybody else that is on the board here, but team chaos needs to be ignored. Now, the thing is, though, to ignore team chaos means that you get recalled because you're under a recall, the ballots are out for this right now. Isn't that right? Everyone has their ballots in Joe County.

Correct. Correct. And everybody has their ballots, you know, of course, urging everybody to make the right decision. of course, let me continue doing what I'm doing. Now, that means a no vote, though, right? That's a no vote. Okay. Absolutely.

All right. And I have had a board experience on other boards, not just in the county. So I've been on other boards and other organizations. Yeah. My point being, though, is that you have to vote no on this because I'm a fan of Team Chaos. And Josephine County has been nothing but kind of a chaotic kind of attack and response a caller, it's been a dance that has not been very enjoyable from my point of view to watch because there's serious stuff that needs to be done, but if everybody's only working from

a defensive political posture or fear of being recalled, this is just nonsense that we're dealing with in Josephine County right now. It's so boring in Jackson County. I would love to see Josephine become just as boring. I thought it would be more boring, honestly. I did, but I can't, I know what's going on now. I did not know it was this bad in Josephine County, and I know that it's been like this for years, for a decade. So it's just been getting worse, and if we don't stand up, get people to turn in their ballots and vote the way they should and vote no on this chaos, the chaos is going to continue.

And more people are going to sell the same old routine. They don't like somebody. They're going to recall them next. It's got to stop. Take it to the ballot box every four years. or when elections come up and put in your best candidate and do it fairly. We've seen a lot of bad tactics, like previous callers have said, social media is out of control.

There's so much fake stuff on there, misinformation. You know, I told people to get it from the source bill. Like, talk to me. Let me tell you the truth. Oh, I didn't understand that. Somebody said this. And I go, well, the media, the newspapers, online tabloid, it's gotten out of control bill to take something so much

and repeat it that people believe it's true. It's just a nonsense. All right. Hey, Commissioner Chris Barnett, and he's on a recall, of course, and I would highly recommend, and once again, these are not personal endorsements that I would make of you or Ron. I would just say, give the board the opportunity to govern and get back to some business. Now, I would hope that Ron would also show back up and actually go on record of making a decision for a third, for a third commissioner, rather than turning it over to the others. I don't think that's helping them at the moment.

But still, at the very least, you both need to stay on this, and let's just knock it off with the nonsense chaos. That's all. Okay? Absolutely. In legal counsel, OLLI Hicks went on yesterday. I asked him, this political disagreement or public pressure by itself, a recognized legal basis for a recusal. He says, no, it's irrelevant.

No excuse. Okay. Fair enough. All right, Chris, and hopefully we'll be talking about some better things. But the point being is that this was strategically planned, happened over a holiday, people aren't paying attention, they're watching football, ho, ho, ho, merry, whatever, et cetera, et cetera. And you must take the ballot and vote no. That's the way this is. You have to knock the chaos out because the chaos will just increase if they are successful at this and frankly are rewarded.

and I hope they are not, okay? That's my prayer. Well, I love your prayer, and I just want to speak directly to the public for a moment if I can just do it real quick to sum it up. I just want my position bill to be clear and on the record that I took an oath of office to serve the people just in county to uphold our county charter and to ensure that the county government continues to function lawfully and responsibly, and that oath doesn't change when things get difficult or uncomfortable. The charter requires the board of county commissioners to conduct the people's business, including filling vacancies, making decisions through doly notice public meetings. And my responsibility is the chair is to show up, follow the charter as written, and keep

government moving forward and not stalled or shut down. This isn't about personalities or politics bill. It's about duty process and honoring the structure of voters approved. I will continue to do my job. Act in good faith. Seek lawful clarity when questions arise so that county business can continue without disruption, and my commitment is simple. To follow my oath, respect the rule of law, and to serve the people of this county with transparency and integrity, and I will stand by that, though. All right, Commissioner, we'll talk to you next year, all right, be well. Merry Christmas to you, Bill.

Thank you. Merry Christmas to you, too. I hope it's a merrier one. It's an 829, KMED, 993 KBXG. You're on the Bill Meyer's show. Zero down, zero percent for 60 months, or zero payments for 120 days on every clearly marked forward in stock, including everything. 150s.

A bottle of Ford's got your truck, man, custom trucks or SUVs, man. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. It's 831. We're going to check news here in just a moment. And then talking with Glenn Caphammer. It's one of the people from the talent library. Hmm. Know that story.

Still percolating behind the scenes. And Steve and Sunny Valley's on the road. How you doing, Steve? Morning. I am doing well. And I would just like to remind Ron Smith that we elected him. to be our fighter for the conservatives in the county in the rural areas, and he needs to remember that he was born with gonads.

He needs to use those gonads to appoint Herman Berkshiger, so we have a little bit of experience on the commission until this next election. And then let the people decide again, because the real attack to democracy here is this far-left attack to get the recourse. going because it's and and the poor conservatives who have been duped into supporting this recall look what happened to west they recalled him and then it comes out after the fact is all of the lies were smears and the guys making the lies had to pay $437,000 in court costs and compensation yeah it's interesting what's going on and you know Steve I had people in fact

I had a listener write me overnight about this saying that um that a person was concerned about this is a person who is concerned about the Chris Barnett legal challenges that he has out on that property out on the coast, you know, the campground, that sort of thing. And I know that's something which is still working its way through the system. And this is, you know, and I've had questions about that too. I asked to ask Chris about this. My point right now is to go with the, you know, the last election that we had, you know, in, you know, the last big election, 24. Let's end the team chaos. That's my focus at this point for Josephine County. It needs to stop the attacks, and I know that there are people that are saying these are, this part,

this commissioner's not perfect, that commission is not perfect. Yeah, you're right. Because they're humans and they're elected by people. I would say you have to give them a chance at this point. And we have to say no to, I think we have to say no to team chaos in this case. I don't think a recall should work unless he gets more votes than the election that got them in office. In my perfect situation, that's the way it would be done to, and we would only have recalls, not during the Christmas holiday, but during a general election. But that's not the way the laws work, and of course the people that are part of Team Chaos, I think, are real happy to make this occur. And I'm not happy about it. And by the way, and I know I'm speaking against some of my Republican friends, I was against the recall attempt on the mayor of Grants Pass back in the day, too.

And I was loud about this. I don't think this is a good idea. I don't think this is good for the actual city, and this was not an endorsement of Mayor Bristol at the time. I wasn't doing that. But at this point, to me, the recall is something that you use for serious, serious, serious, serious malfeasance and not a disagreement. agreement in policy. And that's really what we're talking about. And that's what we're talking about here. Okay? Yeah. All right, Steve. I appreciate the call. 770563. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Hello. Bill, is it me? Yes, it is you. Who's this? Hey, Matt. What's going on, buddy?

I heard your interview with Herman. I just want to reiterate this, because I know I've said it on here before. The more the government does, the more we have to care about government. The more we care about who gets elected, holds positions, and maybe that's the intent of this whole thing. But that's also what increases the rhetoric, the hate, where people are actually wishing people to be dead. Because you're diving for, it's like, you know, you have this ship or this plane, and everyone's diving for dear life for control of the stick because there's so much power there, right? There is, if you think about it, if the county government just handled, you know, and let's say just fire and police. emergency services and zoning laws and basic things like that, everybody would just go about their business.

Yeah. People would say, oh, I like this guy or I like that gal, and, you know, I think they'd make a good county commissioner and they go in, you know, and they do some management like Chris was talking about, you wouldn't have the hate. The problem is everybody keeps escalating what the government should do. And the more that everybody says it should do more, the more we have to care about it. You know, basically Democrats are the only ones who really care about government. Republicans just want to be left alone.

But wanting to be left alone, unfortunately, is a failed political strategy right now, given the current situation that we find ourselves in. You can't. And that's my point. That's my point. If they would just leave everybody alone, if you're not setting your neighbors barn on fire with a burn pile or something stupid, just leave everybody alone. Let everybody go about their business and do whatever they need to do

and make government smaller, and then we can all shake hands and get over this garbage. I'm sick of it like you're sick of it. Yeah, and that's why I'm sick of this recall, recallitis in Joe County, because it's just feeding into the chaos, and I'm, we can't withstand this kind of stuff. Appreciate the call. Merry Christmas, if I don't talk to you before then, okay? Okay, Merry Christmas. All righty. 770K.m.E.D. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? This is Gino.

Hi, Gino. How you doing, buddy? Good morning. quick comment. In 1964, I bought my first gallon of gas. It cost me a quarter. I swiped out of my chance. That same silver quarter will buy a gallon of gas today. When we're buying low-level silver and gold, et cetera, or basically capturing purchasing power, not investing. That's really what it is, isn't it? By the way, when you look back at the ancient texts that are written in clay with pieces of bamboo that are laying in the sands of Mesopotamia, and you say, okay, how much does a gallon of olive oil cost in Mesopotamia?

It's the same exact amount of silver today as it was then. On the one side of the newspaper, you've got your commodities. They all move in concert. On the other side, you got your currencies. They go where God knows what. But again, just the point was that the same amount of silver buys the same amount. amount of goods and services today as it has throughout history. Yes, there's a few fluctuations. Oh, yeah, but ultimately when reality returns, that's the way it has worked

throughout history. Yeah, it all balances out at the end where the commodities trade against each other at the same rate stays always traded. Great point. And thanks for making it. And Merry Christmas once again. 770. Well, actually, hold the calls here for just a moment because Glenn Caphammer is going to join me here just a moment. We're going to talk a little bit about the the library deal, and then we'll do a diner 62 quiz. Do a quick home health check. Have you noticed sloping floors, sticking windows or doors?

At Sky Park, we make insurance easy. This is News Talk 1063, KMED. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. Talent Library Specialist Glenn Caphammer joins the show here for a few minutes. Glenn, how you doing? Welcome. I'm doing pretty good

this morning. Glenn, you called me yesterday, and I thought, hey, let's talk for a few minutes and kind of get your side of this because you've been a very central character, if you want to call it that, as part of what happened with the talent library over what the 11th and the 13th and the 15th of December when a patron is accused of viewing arguably kiddie porn. And you've been looking at some of the stories. I've been looking at these two, mostly in the Rogue Valley Times. What, is everybody reacting to this correct? you know, how do you see it and tell me how it all started, if you don't mind?

Give me the short version, if it all possible, okay? Yeah, yeah. I mean, basically what happened is on Thursday, like the article said, a patron passed all a different staff member and notes, saying, like, there's this guy watching kids playing in bathtubs on the computer, and I just thought you guys should know. And my immediate reaction at the time was like, that's not okay. my boss went over and viewed it and was like, yeah, it's just kids in backtubs.

And I think a whole bunch of us other staff tried to watch him, but throughout the day, but every time he noticed someone was paying attention, he'd switched to other screens. And so I finally thought near the end of the day, like, hey, if I make it look like I'm actually shelving things behind him, maybe he won't pay attention and after doing that for about five minutes he went back to viewing the stuff as normal. And what were you seeing? I saw a little boy getting a bath and you could obviously see his little peepee and his genitals, so to speak. And then I saw a baby getting changed and you could see the baby's genitals as well. And I immediately was so flustered by it and It just, it triggered a lot of horrible emotions in me.

I went up and pushed a chair that was next to him that was like pushed out in the walkway and then went over to my boss and told my boss about it. And he still took the same stance like, well, that's gray area borderline. And I was just so disturbed by that answer. Okay, so you didn't think it was a gray area, but your boss did or your supervisor. I thought it was a gray area. I was really just, I didn't think it was a gray area. I thought it was really that. And my boss thought it was a gray area.

Okay. And my thing is, is that there was there, there was a memo that said that more or less, or at least response from management, that they were more concerned about the patron's privacy. Could you explain that? Yeah. Maybe tell me what happened about that. Yeah, they took the whole, well, privacy is really important. And within libraries, that's a really big thing. people should be able to privately read whatever they want to read, and none of us really should know about it.

Yeah, I get that, but I was under the impression that in a library, according to Charlene Princeton, who used to work at the Eagle Point branch for the system, that there is no presumed privacy when you're using the library computers. Is that true? Is that part of the policy? Do we know? Yeah, I mean, you can see what's going on on people, but I'm not going to take the time to, like, actively like watch what they're doing. That's just not me. They have their privacy to do what they want. All right.

So anyway, Glenn, this ended up happening. This was the first time on the 11th that you saw this, or was this the 13th or the 15th? That was the first time I saw it. It was near the end of the day. And so I was so disturbed by really my boss's response and what I saw that as soon as I got off work, I just called the police and filed. a police report. Yeah, because, you know, the library workers are supposed to be, not first responders, but mandatory reporters, right? Yeah, we are. Mm-hmm. So you actually, I think, followed the law by doing

what you did, but has management backed you up, though, after that? No, they haven't. And to be honest with you, they didn't take the child sex abuse material stance until the news article came out. Oh, okay. still were gas-liding all of us employees, like his privacy is more important. And they kept being like, well, it really went down, but they'd always leave stuff out. Yeah. When did it start getting worse? Was it the 13th or the 15th? When did it finally hit the fan, so to speak, at the library system? The 15th. Okay. What happened then from what you can tell? Well, I was for most of the day reviewing applications for a new hire and doing, like, I did a board game program on

Saturday, and so I was, like, getting everything put away from that. And I didn't get to come out really on the desk until almost three o'clock. Okay. And I was chit-chatting with another employee kind of faced the other way. And we were talking about my board game program, and the sub came up and was like, Glenn, Glenn, it's really important. And she, was like this mom and her daughter took this video of him watching this stuff. Now, was it still just like kids in a bathtub or did it escalate somewhat? No, it was like it was the genitalia, and he was pausing the screen specifically on those parts. I had been, so I came in the work on Monday, and there was an email from my boss and his

boss to all of our staff there that was like, we need to respect his privacy, and we need to to leave him alone. And I was even more disturbed by that. I sent an email to HR that was like, hey, I am deeply disturbed by this. I'm going through another traumatic event, and that's just piling onto it. I disagree with my boss. This is wrong. What I saw was child porn. And if you guys aren't going to do anything about it, I am. And they just kept gaslighting me all day. I even had one of the people, my boss's boss, she said it's not illegal to look at images of naked kids online. Well, it depends on what your degree of nakedness, I would imagine. I think that's certainly probably part of it and what's going on, and whether it is of a sexual

nature. And isn't that where this patron's accused of crossing the line? Yeah, and that's really where it, that's what they were trying to put on it. But then what happened is when the police all did finally come down on Monday, and then our social worker from Medford were sent out, because I was telling all of the management about it, all the Carrie made, the director, and Kristen Anderson at Ashland, she was my supervisor. or I was contacting with that day.

Both of them where I'm like typing it up, telling them real time, like the police are here. They're filing, there's a patron filing a police report. So they sent out a social worker. And he, when he got there, he got Nicholas to admit to the police on camera and on recording that, yes, I was viewing that for sexual gratification. And you would think that the library management after that news came out would be like, oh, You know, we have some humility, and we can be like, oh, we made a mistake, but they never took that stance the rest of the week. Is there any, okay, now where do you think this is coming from? Because my impression, my impression, Glenn, by the way, I'm talking with Glenn Caphammer, who is a talent library specialist and deeply involved in this library district controversy over a child pornography.

or not good images being viewed on the computers there. My impression was that the employees were much more concerned in management. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, me and my other two main coworkers there are just so stunned and appalled about what management and admin's take on this whole thing has been. Yeah, I would have thought out of an abundance of caution that they would have been very careful in stopping the use of the Patreon or just getting the patron out of that situation is what I would have thought. What about you? Yeah, exactly. And that's where we're at on it. A whole bunch of us have

like kind of, we've had discussions about like us second guessing ourselves, but all of us have really high integrity. And we were like, we don't argue with our supervisors. My supervisor is my parent's age. Like I was taught to not argue with my elders and things like that. And so, So, like, I did everything as professional, and I'm still doing everything professionally. The library director didn't want to handle it properly, so that's why I went to the board, and the board couldn't really respond. That's kind of a thing they can do. They hear you, and then they can't really say anything about it at their meetings.

That's just their protocol. But after that, I was like, well, I'm going to go to the news, and I read, Valley Times almost every morning, and I was like, I'll just speak to Buffy. She, I love reading her. Oh, yeah, Buffy does good job. She, yeah, good articles on this one. What would you, now I know I'm just asking you to wave a magic wand here, Glenn. How do you think it should be handled moving forward if you were, you know?

I think all four, there's four main employees who I reached out to, and I think all four of them maybe should just be put on like administrative leave pending investigations. because it's hard for me as an employee to now have to, like, go to work with some of these people. Like, how can I feel like these people who are above me? I can go to them for any sort of issue because they couldn't handle stuff when it got serious. Yeah. And that's where I think the public is, too.

They're looking at this, that this is not just an innocent little viewing of naked children, you know, that kind of thing. All right. Yeah, and I did a mandatory report the other night, and they were like, you know, you can kind of do this whenever. There's no, like, time frame on it because that's part of my job. It's funny, I just did read up to the training for it like two and a half weeks ago. So you were sensitive to this. You were, you know, you were prepared, I guess.

Yeah, I did all my, I've done it all professionally throughout this. time. Is there any threat against your position there? No, I don't think so. And I mean, I joke about it with people. I'm like, what, they fire me and then I become a rich person because like that's going to be retaliation. And that's just illegal. All right. Well, I'm glad you spoke to media about that. Glad you talked with me about this too. Keep us in the room. If anything goes on with this, okay? All right, Glenn? Yeah, yeah. I'll keep you up there. All right. And a talent library specialist Glenn Camphammer. I appreciate your call. Thanks for checking in. Okay. Be well. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. It's 852 change at KBXG, 993 KBXG, 1063 KMED. Interesting stuff. Wow. Don't know if someone on whole idea. I knew that Glenn had to leave, so I only had a few minutes with him. Did you have a comment on that? Did you want to ask him a question? Maybe we didn't get a chance to?

Well, my question was, has he seen the sheriff down there at all? Has Nathan Sickler gone down there at all? I mean, I don't know about you, Bill, but I mean, if I was the sheriff, I would personally go down and deal with this. When I heard about this the night, I would say, let it follow the protocol. Talent Police is involved right now, and if they think if they need more, if they need more guns, so to speak, then you can approach the sheriff. But Talent has a police report, it has a police department. It did not happen in the unincorporated county. So I think we're fine.

Is he in handcuffs yet? Don't know. I don't think so. How is he not handcuffed yet? Well, I don't have the evidence in front of me, nor am I the district attorney. The district attorney is working on this opposing. Nathan needs to go arrest that guy. Nathan needs to go arrest that guy right now.

Okay. All right. Thanks for the call. Hi, KM.D. good morning. Who's this? Holly Morton. How are you, Bill? Doing fine, Holly.

What's up? Merry Christmas to you and Linda. Thank you. Merry Christmas to you also. I'm looking at all these library things, all these recalls, and, you know, people think that these are all independent, scattered phenomenon, but the reality is the left is working very hard to turn Southern Oregon blue. That's their total goal, and they're undermining our culture step by step. And what we need to do, no to the recall, absolutely, but we need to do is say no to a lot of these things. Absolutely, no to this behavior in the library.

We do not need an erosion of our culture any further than it is. Yeah. You know, it's one thing we can argue about library policy, et cetera, et cetera. But no, if you're using the computers, you're not supposed to be doing that. Bottom line. Appreciate the call. Merry Christmas to you. But I'll talk to you before.

Okay. Thank you. All right. Diner 62 Real American Quiz. They just delivered Diner 62 meal to me. Oh, gosh. I'm just so thrilled about this. I need a pallet cleanser, really, after this conversation on the library, okay?

770-K-M-E-D. If you have not won the diner's 62 quiz in the last 60 days, give it a shot next. And we're going to talk about some great American history coming up. 770-633. And maybe you can enjoy that Swiss and mushroom burger like I had the other day and the amazing clam chowder, which will be there on Friday and so much more. I know that hiring can be challenging.

you need someone to match your role perfectly. Well, now you can meet them fast. On ZipRecruiter. Hi, I'm Randy with Diner 62, and I'm on Kemi D. And, of course, Dan, I should say he is just working hard for you over at Diner 62. Hot open-faced sandwiches are still on the menu. They deliver me one today. I can't wait to get it.

I'm going to have the turkey one with mashed potatoes and brown gravy, hot turkey sandwich, and cranberry sauce to get with that, too. And remember Clampchowder. Friday and everything else. Let me go to line one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is Mike. Mike. It was today, actually Thursday in history. Christmas, 1776, George Washington crosses the Delaware. During the American Revolution, General George crosses the Delaware River with 5,400 troops hoping to surprise a Hessian force celebrating Christmas at their winter quarters in Trenton. The attack came after several months of defeats for Washington's Army.

So about 11 o'clock on Christmas Eve, Washington's Army commenced its crossing of the half-frozen rivers at three locations. 2,400 soldiers led by Washington, successfully braving the icy freezing river. They got to the New Jersey side of the Delaware just before dawn. The other two divisions made up of 3,000 men and crucial artillery failed to reach the meeting point. The question is, how wide was the Delaware River where George Washington crossed it? How wide was it? Was it A, 100 yards, B, 200, C, 300, D, 400, or E, 500 yards? Take a guess because I had no idea which one it is.

What do you think, huh? Well, it's a guess, 300 yards? You're taking a guess. The final Diner-S62 quiz of 2025. That's it, right? Yeah, I guess. You won it. It's not very often the first guest gets it, but you did.

Doubleware was about 300 yards wide at the spot where Washington crossed near McConkey's ferry in Pennsylvania, a point that still represents a major challenge due to icy difficult conditions. And boy, I'll tell you, the men were so hungry, tired, and ill-fed. It was a rough, rough time. It really ended up helping the revolution do what it needed to. So hang on just a second. I'll get you all taken care of, all right?