Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - A No Spin News Special: America's Outlook

Episode Date: July 4, 2024

Bill talks with law professor Jonathan Turley about censorship, and cancel culture. Conservative activist Charlie Kirk speaks out about the upcoming election and his prediction of a 'right-wing revolution.' Lastly, Bill surveys today's political and cultural landscape with historian, and author Victor Davis Hanson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's a new book out, and I've been reading over the weekend, Charlie Kirk, right-wing revolution, had to beat the woke and save the West. He's not talking about the Wild West. the West as far as USA, Europe, this and that. And the work stuff in the books pretty good. I have to say, it's good research in the book. I learned some stuff. You may know, Kirk.

He's the founder of Turning Point USA. He's got a radio program on Salem. He has written three other books. And he is a committed conservative. He joins us now from Phoenix, Arizona. All right. So I'm halfway through your book. I'm not that convinced there's going to be a right-wing revolution in this country. All right? Convince me I'm wrong. Well, I hope I'm right. I mean, part of the book, as you well know, is trying to lay the foundation that this is what is necessary.

Now, I will say, though, Bill, we're starting to see a little rumblings in France, and we're seeing this across Europe, in Belgium, in the Netherlands, saw it a little bit in Argentina and El Salvador. And I want to be very clear that part of this idea of a right-wing revolution is just re-centering the country around normal and agreeable public policy positions, such as we should have a border, such as that children are off limits when it comes to medical mutilation. And so the idea of a right-wing revolution is actually re-centering back to a country of the late 80s or early 90s. Bill, it's impossible to predict. You might be right. It might not happen. However, across the Western world, we're starting to see more and more citizens, everyday people, start to resist

left-wing policies of mass migration and cheap money, albeit also inflation, and they want to try to get back to the ways, the way things were, more orderly, more sensible, less radical, less insane, the days where we did not have to wonder if our eight-year-olds in school were going to be taught that men could give birth. Okay. I don't disagree with anything you just said because you're being a fact-based guy. All right. In the recent votes in the EU and Europe, the right-wing parties, they branded far right by the New York Times, but they're not really far right. Some of them are, but most of them are just people saying, look, we've had enough. We're overrun here by migrants. They're changing everybody's way of life.

We're a welfare state anyway, most European countries are. We can't afford to support all of these people. So we're going to try to go into a more conservative government. Absolutely true. No doubt about it. But it's a little bit different dynamic in America. Okay? So you got Biden almost with parity in the polling.

with Trump, whereby if you look at the damage Biden has done to this country in three and a half years, it's colossal. And if you look at the polls, 70% of Americans say, going in the wrong direction. So by all of that, Biden should be down 20 points in these presidential polls, but he's not. And that's what gives me a hesitation that there might be a right-wing revolution. That's a great point, Bill. And presidential elections are tricky, where even if a president has a sub-50% approval rating, sometimes they get re-elected. And so I want to be clear, I'm not predicting a right-wing revolution will happen in November. I'm hoping, I'm starting to see signs that it could be bubbling up. However, Bill, I will say a recent CBS poll, which was the poll heard around the world, showed that 62% of Americans support mass deportations. That was not the case five or ten years ago. That is a new phenomenon. No, on the issue set, but the dichotomy is that's Trump's position, but you got 62 saying, yeah, yeah, but you don't have Trump at 62 winning, beating Biden, who would have to get 38. See, that's the, go ahead. And no, I just, I think that's a smart point.

And I think in presidential politics, it becomes very personality driven and less policy driven. And that's for better or for worse. I think it actually helps Donald Trump in certain areas where no matter what he does, they're going to stay with him. I'm a huge supporter of his. I also heard some where other people are not willing to entertain his policies. There was an interesting poll last week that came out that showed that Democrats love the idea of no taxes on tips,

waiters and waitresses, people when they rely on tips. However, they hate the idea if they found out it was Donald Trump's policy position. It was a fascinating poll. It was like a 50-point move. So it's a great point bill. And it goes to show that on the issue set, though, I think the country is more center-right than we give it credit for. It's more center-right when it comes on immigration, more center-right when it comes on sizescope

of government and spending. Okay. The Supreme Court announced today is going to hear this genital mutilation stuff next fall where states are banning any kind of operations for Americans under the age of 18, even if the parents consent to it, there are bans. Supreme Court's going to hear that. I'm just going to submit to you that one of the things that is holding Donald Trump back from getting independent votes, all right, is his obsession with the election of 2020.

And you were on board with the election was a fraud. I followed you because you to me, the reason I follow Kirk and my, I'm talking to my audience now, He's 30 years old. He's got a lot of input coming in from the younger folks, younger Americans, all right? And so I follow what he's doing to see what they're doing, what they're thinking, because I want the full spectrum from 18 all the way up to death. All right? Now, I got a lot of younger viewers now because of YouTube, which shocks me.

But that's why I follow Kirk. So back to the question, I think that Trump's obsession with 2020, all right, still continues to hurt him in this election. Am I wrong? So first, I'll say that there's a season for all things. And when it was really a, let's just say, a recent wound, I think it was helpful to talk about ways we could have secured the election better and things we could have done better in 2020. I will say, though, in this season we're in right now, talking about 2020 does not do us any good. So I'm in full agreement. For example, I think a trap question that might be thrown at Donald Trump, this debate will be if Jake Tapper asked Donald Trump if the 2020, do you accept the 2020 election results.

And he will. How Donald Trump navigates that question. Well, how he, well, I think how he navigates that question is important. And there's a variety of ways he can do that. No, no, there's only one way. There's only one way. No, it's only one way, Charlie. Only one. When Tapper asks him in it, it's a when, not an it. He looks at a camera and says, it is my opinion that the vote in 2020 was flawed. I would like to know where the $300 million that Mark Zuckerberg put into the

election went. And I think those are legitimate opinions to hold. That's it. No more. Just those two points. I think that's really smart and he has to be prepared for that because Tapper will ask that directly and Joe Biden's going to try to pile on. And so I think I think we agree, Bill. I think Donald Trump's at his best when he is a forward-facing vision-casting candidate, especially to contrast against the disaster of the Biden presidency. Okay. How should the Republican Party, and we did this earlier in the program today, handle the abortion issue, in your opinion? So I say this as someone who is resolutely pro-life.

So I want to make sure everyone understands my credentials. But I also want to win elections. So I think we have to operate with prudence and put this in the hands of voters. take Arizona for example here in Arizona this is a pro-choice pro-abortion state I say that with a little bit of sadness because I wish it was more pro-life so you have to find some sort of measure or mean or some sort of agreeable limit that allows you to still win elections and make progress in the pro-life direction so for example 70% of Americans do not think that abortion up until the point of birth is something that we should allow that could put the Democrats on defense so again I say this as someone who is pro-life

life, but I'll also say that if we do not approach this issue correctly or with any sort of wisdom, then it could end up being a losing political issue for Republicans. And the failure to recognize that or acknowledge that is not living in the current American political reality. All right. Charlie Kirk, the book is Right Wing Revolution, How to Beat the Woke and Save the West. Now, if I send you a not-woke mug from Bill O'Reilly.com, are you going to use that? I will happily receive it. I will, absolutely. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress.

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So the indispensable right of freedom of speech on paper exists. All right. in the Constitution. But in the real world, professor, the world I live in, and I don't know whether you live it or not, but most law professors don't. They're pinheads, and they live in a bubble. If you speak your mind in this country, you are putting yourself at risk. People will try to hurt you. Number one. Now, on page on chapter 27, you go all through. this. But I'm wondering how much of a factor the fear of reprisal has become in America on the subject of freedom of speech. Well, it is an enormous factor. And we saw this building,

at least I saw a building decades ago. This came from higher education. We started to see this intolerance, this orthodoxy. Conservative Republican faculty have been purged from many schools and in surveys done and there's multiple surveys. These are self-identifying surveys, surveys where professors are describing themselves. And in about 40% of some of those surveys, there was not a single Republican left on certain faculties. And they have largely replicated themselves. And so the academy now runs from left to far left. And the level of intolerance is something that I never imagine would take hold of of higher education.

And that is now metastasized into the media, into the corporate world, into government. And one of the things that this book talks about is that this isn't our first age of rage, but it's the most dangerous one for free speech. You know that, in my mind, that's correct. And I'll bring a couple of vivid examples that people might be able to identify

more than on a college campuses. We all know what's going on on many college campuses, not all, but many. that they just load up with far-left professors, and the students are at their mercy. So if you have a conservative student with a far-left zealot in the classroom grading, that student is a good chance

their grades are not going to be what they should be. But let's take Hollywood, for example. You cannot support Donald Trump in Hollywood. Your jobs will dry up. There are a few exceptions, but not many. And everybody in the entertainment industry knows, you support Donald Trump, jobs are going to be hard to find. In the media, you can't walk into NBC News with a resume that says you work for Fox News. They'll never hire you in a million years.

The people in Fox News, a lot of them call me and they say, you know, should I leave? And I go, where are you going to go? Where are you going to go? most places aren't going to hire you go ahead it's true you know one of the things i talk about in the book is this weird and tragic irony that during the mccarthy period the left was targeted with blacklisting and cancel campaigns and even prosecutions and now it's the left that have taken those very tools and are using it against conservatives including the language before you were asked, are you a communist sympathizer?

Recently, you had a member of Congress accusing conservative justices of being insurrectionist sympathizers. I mean, the language is virtually identical. But what is different here is this alliance. We have never seen this particular array against free speech, because historically, the media and academia have supported free speech. So the combination of those with the government and corporations is the most. really fearsome alliance

we've ever faced. And they justify it. They justify it. It's very similar to the justification in Germany in the early 1930s. The justification in America is these people, the MAGA people, are so

heinous that they have to be denied any kind of way to get their message out. And you see it in the internet and Musk broke it. Elon Musk broke it because he's so powerful when he bought Twitter. But before him, the social media companies, and that's where most Americans get their information now,

okay, were basically slapping censorship under the term misinformation on any conservative or traditional point of view. And they will blacken it out. Now, it's not as bad, as it was, but it's still there, right? Yeah, and the social media aspects that we go into, that I talk about in the book, are really chilling. I mean, a federal judge called them Orwellian, because you had the federal court doing what I've said in Congress and testimony is basically censorship by surrogate.

So they're trying to do indirectly what they can't do directly. So they've given all these grants to academic groups working with social media companies to target conservative voices, and groups to actually target the people who are advertising on them, to squeeze them for revenue. It's right out of the McCarthy period, but they are far more successful than McCarthy ever really was. And that's why we can't assume that free speech can withstand this alliance. We've been watching, and Bill, you know this, because you've been an advocate for free speech and free press your whole life. And we've watched this coming from Europe for years.

years I've been writing about it. And your free speech is in a free fall in Europe, in France, Germany, Italy, England. It is they're criminalizing broader and broader ways of speech. Canada's a nightmare of free speech. And that tide has finally reached our shores. Absolutely. And there are people in this country that really want to see that succeed here. I have been branded a racist, every kind of defamatory word has been thrown at me. And I'm not even close to what Donald Trump has gone through. I mean, it's just because they don't just want to silence you, Professor. They want to destroy you.

That's how strong the hatred is. You call it rage, it is rage. Now, while researching the book, and it's very well researched, my God, I mean, it's 350 pages, and you've got history in there, you got everything in there. Did you find any right-wing, conservative effort to silence the left? Well, it's far less prominent, and it's very hard to find. One of the reasons is that conservatives don't really control many media outlets, for one thing, even if they were going to do that.

There are some legislatures that have passed efforts to try to prevent certain theories from being taught. Those have not been successful. Some of them have been struck down. But the means to conduct this anti-free speech movement is just far, far greater. The left has control of, and I think they most of them will admit of social media, of certainly faculties. And by the way, when you talk about destroying people, in the chapter dealing with higher education, I try to go through to explain how bad this has become. I talk about professors that have committed suicide. Sure.

Because what they do is they take away everything you value as an intellectual, your ability to publish, your ability to go to conferences. There was one guy in North Carolina that they hounded for years, and they did it again when they found out he gave a joke at a private dinner to like four people, and they hounded him again, put him under investigation, and got him to agree to resign. And on the last day, his last day is a professor, he went home and blew his brains out. And the reason is I think he thought, this is my last day. This is the only thing I ever wanted to do.

I can understand him now. Yeah, they took his life away from him. Now, you have tenure, right, at George Washington University. That's how you're protected. I do. I've had probably the longest standing cancel campaign in higher education. Because the campaign to fire me started when I testified in the Clinton impeachment. Then it went even more wild when I testified in the Trump impeachment.

And it's very hard to fire a tenured, chaired professor, but they are still trying. I've had lawyers at leading firms go to the university to say, we will boycott you until you fire Turley, because we don't like his views on free speech, the fact that he has said these things about Trump and the problems of these prosecutions. Well, I'm giving your book the highest recommendation from Bill O'Reilly.com, the indispensable right, free speech, and an age of rage, Jonathan Turley. So we hope all our listeners and viewers worldwide will consider the book. And we really appreciate your time. You know, you're on TV every hour on the hour now. But it's good.

You and Victor Davis Hansen, I've got to say this personally. I read everything you guys put out. Now, I don't, you know, me, I'm pretty cantankerous, so I'm finding little things where, you know, but that is my highest compliment, because I'm so busy, I can't see straight. But when I see Hanson or you writing on the hill or a column, even if it's something I'm not particularly interested, I read it.

So keep doing what you do. I really appreciate it. Good luck, and I hope we can talk again. Thank you. Thank you, Bill. Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here to cover it from all sides, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't. So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day.

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You don't want to miss an episode. His name is Victor Davis Hanson. You know him. He's got a new book out called The End of Everything, How Wars Descend into Annihilation. I'm reading the book. I'm in a chapter with the ASTEPs, okay, because I'm a history guy, and I like all this stuff. So Professor Hanson, he teaches at Pepperdine, he's at the Hoover Institution, he's a busy guy, but he's taking time out to join us now from Palo Alto, California.

So number one about the book, I'm enjoying the book, but, you know, this is a hardcore history book. So people should know that. It's not contemporized. But the message certainly is, because a lot of people feel, that the USA is in steep decline on a number of fronts. Do you believe that? I do, and I didn't write the book for that purpose, but once I looked at these examples of Thebes and Carthage,

and as you said, the Aztecs at Tenochitlan and, of course, Constantinople, there were certain themes, Bill, that once powerful states or nations were in decline and yet in denial, they felt that they were as robust as ever, that the enemy wouldn't dare attack them, that there were the allies on the horizon to save them, that even if they were attacked, the nature of their enemies were not, they weren't existential, they didn't want to destroy them.

Who would want to do that? And yet, so when I finished, I wrote an epilogue and looked at various places around the world where there are bad actors like that, but more importantly, there are once powerful nations that don't reinvest in what once made them powerful. and yet they're in complete denial about their vulnerability.

And I think the United States fits that pretty well. But I think a lot of the voters are worried. I mean, my mail reflects that. I get thousands of letters. And it reflects that if Joe Biden, and I believe this myself, because I ought to be up front when I do my commentary, I believe another four years of Joe Biden will damage this country almost beyond repair.

And I have a book coming out in September call, confronting the presidents where we evaluate every president, all 45, and where they help or hurt the country. Joe Biden has hurt the country so dramatically in three and a half years. He ranks up as his second worst president next to James Buchanan, the guy who totally booted the Civil War. Okay. So another four years of a Biden who cannot even function on a day-to-day basis, and if he dies or incapacitated, Kamala Harris, because she's not going to kick her off the ticket, all right? Then I'm saying to myself, it's over because there are no restraints then. Biden's got some restraints now, which is why he issued the executive order on the border.

He'll have none that. And so we'll have every front. It'll be socialism. That's what I think is in play here. Socialism. Do you see it the same way? Yeah, I do. What's new about Biden is that the border was always porous, but it was never non-existent.

He's destroyed it as a concept. And we always had high crime spikes, but we never had a period where crime was legitimized as sort of a critical legal theory or critical race theory that the oppressed had certain rights to take what wasn't theirs, for example. We've never borrowed a trillion dollars every 90 days. I mean, if he's going to be elected at that rate, we could borrow another 16 trillion.

There is limits to that. And when we have all of this natural wealth and energy and food and people, and we're not utilizing it or we're utilizing it in a destructive way. I'm very worried about the military, 45,000 recruits short. When you look at the people who are not joining Bill, they're the very demographic that died at double their numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq in the demographic. So they have done something, and I don't want to get into it,

to alienate white males from the interior or the rural areas of America that traditionally were willing to go to God-awful, places to serve their country. And so there's a lot of things going on that are very, very dangerous. And I agree entirely. And you know this as well as anybody. You saw the parallel with the Roman Empire that once the Romans could not recruit among Roman citizens and had to hire mercenaries, that was the beginning of the end of the empire. And now we don't have enough people to fill our military roles, whereas China and Russia are accelerating their military presence to a degree probably never before seen in their history.

Now, Joe Biden, if you trace his past in the Senate, he was never a left-wing bomb thrower. Now he is. What happened? Well, I think there was a Faustian bargain made in that 2020 primary race where they had all of these extremists, Buttigig, Corey, Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders,

et cetera, and they were all felt to be not competitive against Trump. And so there was an idea that they were all, remember, almost in unison, they dropped out. And the deal was that they knew that Joe Biden was cognitively challenged then, but he had a reputation of old Joe Biden from Scranton, and he would provide the proper veneer. But in exchange in that Faustian bargain, he was to outsource major appointments and even policy directives to the team that had been around Barack Obama. And I think that's what we got. He was supposed to be old Joe Biden from Scranton. And then we've got Susan Rice, the Obama's, Eric Holder, and the foreign policy, Ben Rhodes, and all of those people who I think are directing

the policy of the Biden administration. I think the bombers feel that they were the frontier, they were the pathbreakers into socialism, and they were restricted. because they had to, they were the first people to be that radical, and now they feel a tinge of regret that we could have done so much more had we been more bold, but now Biden is this empty vessel that offers us an opportunity, and that's what they're doing. All right, that's a good explanation, as they've heard. But remember, under eight years of Obama, he wasn't a bomb-throwing far-left guy.

He deported more migrants than any other president in history. He didn't open the border. He was weak in foreign policy. There's no question about that. And then his economics, you know, the Obamacare, you can make an argument on both sides. But it wasn't, you know, a punitive time for the American worker. Now it is. Do you believe Biden made that Faustian bargain, as you put it, consciously?

Or he's just so far out there. He just doesn't know from day to day what's happening. And he just does, as he's instructed to do. do? Which is it? I think it's the latter. I think his wife is playing sort of the Edith Wilson role and that she's got gatekeepers around him, but he was not aware of, I don't think he's aware of all at all of what he's saying or doing. I think you're right. Jill Biden is a villain, I think. But in Afghanistan, no cognizant president would have done what he did. Barack Obama never would have done

that. Never. In a million years, would he have abandoned all of those weapons put Americans and Afghans who helped the USA at risk and turned over government to the Taliban? Barack Obama would not have done that. No, but Joe Biden did.

He did. And remember that as we left, we had the pride flag flying from the embassy. We had a gender studies program at the University of Kabul. We had George Floyd murals. So we were culturally imperialistic, but we didn't have the military heft so that we suffered from both being culturally arrogant and then militarily

weak. But no, that was from the people around Joe Biden. And he just signed off onto it. We've got a lot of radical people around him. I do think that Obama was very transparent when he once said, do you regret you didn't do things in which you ever liked a third term. And he famously said, well, you know, if I could just stay in my basement and phone it in without having to do the work, but I could phone in my directives. That would be an ideal third term. I think that was really something that we should have taken seriously, because I think that's where we are now. Yeah, but if he wants a third term, all he's got to do is put Michelle out there, and Michelle would probably win. Now, on the other side, democracy on the ticket, Trump is a fascist,

everybody's, Alexandria Ocasio-Coyote is going to be put in a camp. This is cartoonish, stuff. But do you think that some of the folks buy it? I think they will. I think when you look at these conspiracies theories or whatever they are, we forget they worked. I mean, Donald Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 as a result probably of collusion. And none of those people were ever prosecuted that hired Christopher Steele, Perkins Co, GPS, D&C. That was illegal to hire a foreign national and then create that dossier and the laptop people when Anthony Blinken rounded up those 51 authorities and that empowered Joe Biden in the debate and I think that had some bearing on the election none of those people

were ever have ever apologized they've never admitted they lied to the American people Anthony Blinken suffered no downside so when I look at these conspiracy theories they all seem to have had some utility and it suggests to me that whether you call them October surprises or whatever we're going to see a lot of them you mentioned and one, and I think there's going to be this narrative that Donald Trump is going to end democracy, he's going to put people in camps, they're going to have all sorts of frenzy. I think another one is going to be that actually he's more debilitated than Joe Biden. He slurs his word. People in private meetings say that he's no more. Yeah, that won't work. Trump does too, yeah, Trump does too much

media. That's not going to agree. I'd like to bring you back sometime this summer just to talk about your state, California. Right now, there's a movement in California, as you well know, to block referendums that are on the ballot, okay, on crime and taxes by the far, far left legislature in Sacramento and Governor Newsom. They want to stop the people from voting on crime, safety, and lower taxes. It's an unbelievable story that goes to the totalitarianism of the left, I don't have time to do it tonight. But will you come back sometime this summer and chat with me about it? Because you know a lot about that.

Absolutely, Bill. I'll be happy to. Okay. Thank you, Professor. Really, the book is The end of everything, how wars descend into annihilation. It does have an absolute linkage to what we are going through here today.