A "Shock and Awe" Special: Culture Shock
00:00I grew up in the 1950s and 60s.I figure I was about seven, eight years old when I started to realize that there was actuallya world out there.That coincided with the beginning of rock and roll, Elvis Presley in particular.But Chuck Berry and some black artists were there, Little Richard.And that was a shock to my parents, a cultural shock because after World War II,the GIs came back, American society was based on conformity.So if you watch the sitcoms of the early 60s,
00:39leave it to Beaver, Father Knows Best, all of these shows,you see that it was just like a milk toast.Everybody was white, everybody was happy, no dissent.Well, then rock and roll comes in and shakes it all up, pardon a pun,and then you have James Dean in the movie,and you have a lot of turbulence, challenges.The culture then stayed pretty even until 1963when President Kennedy was assassinated.
01:12That was a huge shock to America.And the Camelot that had been installed in politicswas gone in a flash.And then the culture was shocked again in 1967by the Vietnam War.and the college demonstrations, and the sex, drugs, rock and roll era, which lasted a fairly long time.Everything changed. Country divided. Hippies against traditionalists. A lot of angst, a lot of anger, a lot of new mores, religion declined, tradition decline.All right. Then after Vietnam subsided Watergate, Big Scandal, Richard Nixon,
01:59politics upheaval. And again, the society was almost exhausted by that time.All right? Between 1960 and 1973, American society was exhausted. So then things kind ofevened out. Disco, mindless disco took over in the 70s. The me generation of the 80s,where it was all about me? Give me mine. Where it's mine? How come I don't have?everything handed to me, then the 90s and extension of the 80s. And now after 9-11, there was aflip back to traditional America because we were attacked and people wanted to kill us andwe rallied behind a more traditional America, George W. Bush. That's shattered down, gone. And we are inprogressive pathway. Now, the key to the progressive movement was Barack Obama, President Obama.
03:09Here's what he said in 2016 when he was first, I'm sorry, in 2008, let me get my datescorrect, 2008 when he was first running for president. Go. I believe that marriage is theunion between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian,For me, as a Christian, it's also a sacred union.You know, God's in the mix.So, traditional Barack Obama, but four years later, 2012, running for re-election, different story.At a certain point, I've just concluded that, for me personally,it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.
04:07Okay, four years, big change.Now we have the Biden administration thoroughly invested in progressive tenants,wanting to change and challenge all of the Judeo-Christian tenants, and I mean all of them.Okay, so there is my analysis.two very, very smart guys. Smarter than me. The first one is Victor Davis Hansen. You know himif you watch the news. He is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.He wrote a book called The Dying Citizen, How Progressive Elites, Tribalism, and Globalizationare destroying the idea of America. I have said publicly that Mr. Hanson is a better
04:53columnist than I am. Now that shows you about myego, but it's a compliment to Victor Davis Hansen, who joins us now from California.Okay, so there is my spiel about American culture. You and I are contemporaries. How do you see it?I agree with you, Bill. And I think there's three things that I've watched in the last 10 yearsthat have been accelerants to what you outlined, that have really picked up the pace and maybeneither one of us thought that it would accelerate to the point we are now. One was thisasymmetrical globalization and we had this bi-coastal elite, one looking at the EU, one looking atAsia that had levels of wealth that we that were staggering in the history of civil with seven
05:43trillion dollars in market capitalization. So the Zuckerbergs, the Bloomberg's, the Soros, the BillGates, there were people who had enormous influence and they were left-wing. So the Democratic Party reallymetamorphosized from the old lunch bucket constituencies to a boutique agenda that was you know notthey were never subject to the consequences of their own ideology and they didn't care about themiddle class the second thing was that we have never seen either percentage wise or in actualnumbers 50 million people that were not born in the united states 27 percent of all californianswere not born in america and that was an enormous challenge for legal diverse meritocraticimmigration and assimilation, integration, intermarriage, and we failed.
06:34So we created a kind of a tribal idea that your first identity was your superficial appearance,tribalism, which is an age-old enemy of civilization.The third thing, and I think this was important, we gave up on the Martin Luther King,even though we had made enormous progress of the content of our character rather than the colorof our skin and we substituted race for class.So the Democratic Party came to the conclusionthat if you had never gone to high schooland you're on a forklift in Bakersfield, California,
07:06and you're a white working person,you have white privilege.And the Oprah or LeBron or Julian Castroor somebody like that has no privilege.And that was a fundamental change in direction that we,and I think Barack Obama did thatwhen he redefined affirmative action,that 90, 10, or 88, 12 binary that had historical justification and slavery and Jim Quote to diversity.
07:32And by diversity, he meant, I don't care how wealthy you are.I do not care what your historical circumstances are.You can be an Indian aristocrat.You can be an Argentine aristocrat.But if you are so-called not white, you were part of the diversity, and that's 30% of the population.And those things really changed everything in my view.This could not have happened without the entertainment industry, Hollywood, and the news industry, getting on board, promoting, not favoring, but actively promoting that if you aren't progressive, if you don't believe the tenants of equity, which is favoritism toward certain groups, if you don't want your children to be taught one thing,school, that equity is best, that you are a villain.
08:29All right, so both of us have had to face that media, which not only disagrees,but wants to destroy, actively destroy people who will say, no, traditional America is betterbecause if you look at history, that's how we became the most successful economic countrythat ever existed by tradition.work, self-reliance. You take that tack now, the media will try to destroy you. I think that'sa huge component in all of this. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising,trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver. Theroux, the only
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10:19the juicy details in the world's politics, business, pop culture, and everything in between.It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show.Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast.Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.I think you're right.I think they define their agenda, the woke agenda, that if there is any detectable inequality,It has to be attributed to somebody who's culpable.It can't be chance or fate or individual difference.
10:54And therefore, an annoyed and separate group, superior group,should have the power to redistribute and make things even according to what they feel.And that does not appeal to 51%.The border doesn't, the Sorrel's crime philosophy doesn't,the energy problem doesn't Afghanistan.So what they have done in the last 25 years, they control all of the levers of thought,influence through institutional powers, professional sports, Hollywood, media, Silicon Valley,corporate boardroom, Wall Street, the foundation, my gosh.
11:32And through those institutions, they feel that they don't really need a grassroots 51% consensusbecause they can affect public opinion.And so we're going into a midterm and we're not discussing these issues.We're discussing January 6th, hiatus, then we go into the raid, the media bombshells, walls are closing in.Then we do the phantom of the opera.Everybody's an enemy speech by Biden, and now we're going to go back to January 6th,and I think we'll probably end up with an indictment.But they have the ability through the permanent state or the media or all of these things that we talked about
12:07to bypass an appeal to 51% of the people.Revolutionaries, Bill, they don't believe in the Constitution and the custom and traditions.They don't feel that's a reliable, a reliable companion for them.No, they want to break it out.Right, no doubt about it.But how culpable are the vast numbers of Americans who do not pay attention,who live their lives on this, who will not discipline themselves to actually hear both sides of the story and figure out,you know, what is best for them, their families, and their country.
12:45So it seems to me that group has risen, and they are the targets of the propaganda that are put outby the mass media and the entertainment industry. How culpable are they?Very much so, but when you look at civic education, it doesn't exist in the public school.So one of the things we don't talk about is the woke education, this therapeutic detour the last 10 years,it's really one of laziness.These teachers are not qualified to teachcompetitive mathematical orhistorical or English skills
13:17and it's sort of off-topictopics and these kidsare not educatedand yeah we're culpable. We're a DemocraticFederal Constitutional Republicbut this couldn't have happenedwithout being susceptibleto these influences
13:35whether it's Facebook or Twitteror the Super Bowl halftime showor the commercials on television.But it's not, nobody in the Democratic Party says we have midterms coming out.We want to convince America that that open border is welland that these big city district attorneys are working for youand you must pay $7 a gallon for diesel fuel.These are all in your interest.
14:00Instead, we have these psychodramas and melodramasand we've all been diverted attention.The Republican establishment, it seems,unable except until desantis with this latest martha's vineyard they have been unable tobring back the issues in a in sort of a media fashion that the populace understands but it was abrilliant move the martha's vineyard that was one of the most brilliant political moves i've seenin my lifetime yeah i agree because now it's focused it's focused attention on something that'squite wrong and morally wrong on the border and it's disrupted the left-wing media circus for a while
14:39And the hypocrisy that is active in the progressive circus.Last question for you.It used to be if you were a classic liberal, as overwhelmingly most college professors are,that you believed in free speech, that you believed in life, human rights.And now the progressives have said, you know, we don't really want free speech on Facebook.We don't really want Twitter throwing out vaccination.dissent or election dissent. We're going to knock that out. And if you are among the unborn,we can terminate your existence right up until the moment of birth. That seems to be 180 degrees
15:25opposite what the liberal philosophy used to be. How did that happen? Because they're not liberals.They've been hijacked by, I call them Jacobins, that French Revolutionary Party. They believe that they are somorally superior that they deserve to use any means possible. In the 60s, they were protesting to havefree speech. Now they're the deans that are suppressing free speech. They were marching on thePentagon. Now they're in the Pentagon with woke education. They used to congregate in front of,you know, IT&T or General Motors to protest. Now they are running the corporate boardroom. So theyfeel they've taken in a long march these institutions over and they can affect public opinion andthey do not what's in it what's in it for them the progressives and this is as simple as it gets
16:15what's in it for the progressive elite to terminate the unborn without any restrictions what's in itfor them they have certain ideological ideas about utopia and they feel that people are subject to darkforces that are going to support make women have a child they don't want and they don'treally care about human life and they feel that whether it's blasting the walls at the borderand living in a compound or praising open borders but not in Martha's vineyard or saying thatthe teachers unions are great and charter schools are awful why their kids are in prep schoolit's based on a group of people several million with enormous power and they're not subjectbecause of their wealth and influence and institutional control to the ramifications of their own ideology.
17:09They're like the Jacobins or Robespierre, and they have to be stopped because they're revolutionaries.They're not liberals. They're not Democrats. I don't even think they're progressive.I think they're more, I don't know, neo-socialist Stalinists. They really do not like America.They don't like its history or tradition. It's not perfect. In their way, it's not good.But if it's not perfect, it's not good.And they have to destroy it.I think they're trying to destroy it and reconstitute itand something that you and I could not even imagine.
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18:48Listen to Podforce One with me, Miranda Devine, every week on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or whereveryou get your podcast.You don't want to miss an episode.So all aspects of American society are affected by cultural change, but one group in particular has really been affected over the past 50 years, and that is African Americans.Some stats for you. In 1965, at the beginning of the Great Society, Lyndon Johnson-led movement, 25% of black children were born to a single mother, 25%.In 2018, 70% of black children born to an unmarried mother, according to federal census statistics.In the prison population, and remember, African Americans make up 13% of the total people living in the USA.In 1964, 33% of the prison population in America were black.
19:56In 2022, this year, 39%.So you can see that the cultural change,particularly starting in the mid-1960s,influenced the black culture in a tremendous way.So joining us now is a man you probably have heard of.Dr. Benjamin Chavis is the president, CEO,of the National Newspaper Publishes Association.He is the former executive director and CEO of the MAACP.
20:30And we were pleased to have Dr. Chavis on this program.So many people believe that the unmarried child situationhas led to deprivation in the African American community,generally speaking.Would you agree with that?Thank you, Bill, for an opportunity to be on your first.program. Generally speaking, there are a lot of pressures on the black family. Of course, not only forblack families, white families, Latino families, having families together is always much better
21:07than not having families together. And the statistics that you cite are real, they're accurate,and also speaks to, we've got to do a better job. We're making sure that families are whole.And of course, in the African-American community, families are not only nuclear families, but they're also, you know, broader families where you have this situation where women are the head of households much more in the later years than in the 1960s.So we got work to do.I was very fortunate.I was born in 1948, had a great mother and father, all of my sisters, all college graduates.did well. But those families that, unfortunately, don't have a nuclear family, they havegreater challenges. And so the thing is what we need to focus on, Bill, I think, is how do we fix this?
22:05How do we correct this? So all families will have a better chance at life.But there's a problem, doctor. So the progressive movement doesn't see it the way you see it.I mean, take the Black Lives Matter organization. They clearly on their website,that you don't need to have two parents, that a family, an alternative family, whatever, is fine.And the progressive movement downgrades traditional America in almost every area.And you see the rise now in violent crime, young black males without male supervision, fathers in the home,are becoming a blight on society.So it seems to me and others that this progressive,
22:51movement away from traditional America, the classic nuclear family, as you say, all right, hasharmed the whole country, but most of all the African-American community. Am I wrong?Well, I think you're right to point that there's a serious problem with having nuclearfamilies in black America. But the question, I don't think it's accurate, though, Bill,just to say this is the cause of the progressive movement. I think that this is the problem. I think thatthis is something that goes beyond politics, right, to the right or to the left or to the middle.This is something that all committees, including, if I can speak for the African American community,those are problems that we have to work on.
23:34We have to work on.But when you said we, who's we?I mean, who are you talking about?The government can't legislate personal morality.Government can't come in and say to people.I'm not asking for, I don't think you right now.We are people who live in our communities.One of the reasons why we've made progress in some of our communities that we take greater responsibility for what's happening with our children, what's happened with our young people, what's to counter crime in our community as well.
24:05And I just think that the Black Lives Matter movement, as you refer to, came as a response to all these serious cases of police brutality that Black Lives Matter movement, believe, were racially motivated.But in terms of the family, I think that no one in our community would argue that we need to,would argue that we don't need to do something better to restore families in our communities.I think across the board, you will get an agreement on that.Okay.I'm not disagreeing that a community-based analysis and encouragement of married people siring childrenwould be the best solution because government can't do it.But it's not happening into south side of Chicago.
24:54It's not happening in a lot of places where the violent crime is just through the roofbecause of the progressive movements, de-emphasis on the police and incarceration.And that has been proven time and time and time again, and you know it.So there are good African-American poor people who live in fear of young black males armed to the teethwho are roaming around selling narcotics and killing people at will.All of this comes out of a lack of discipline, and that is a cultural thing.That is a hallmark of the progressive movement.Do not impose discipline on criminals or students who misbehave in the classroom or anyone else.
25:36Look at what you and I are pretty much the same age.When you grew up, you had Motown.You had Willie Mays, Jackie Robinson.You had unbelievable positive black role models.Now you got rappers spewing out.All of this vile stuff.Kids with the headphones listening all day long to it,four-letter words sprinkled into every sentence,
26:06crude entertainment coming out these young people,and it's all the hallmark of progressives,not conservatives.Do you disagree?Yeah, Bill, I respectfully, I do disagree.I think that, you know, you're entitled to your analysis,but your analysis is not the only analysis.I believe that crime in African American communities,
26:33drugs, self-destruction,we don't manufacture guns in our community.Where did all these guns come from?There are too many guns in our community.There are too many guns in America.And so this has nothing to do with being progressive or conservative.Some of it has to do with racism, someone has to do with economic inequity, some of it hasto do with the lack of having a positive role model.
26:56You need guidance.Every human being needs it.The progressive movement does not buy into that concept.Again, Bill, when you identify the progressive movement, you are presupposing that the progressivemovement has some psychological, some sociological control over the thinking and the pattern ofbehavior of black people. That's not true.Has influence?No, I think that there are much more systemic causes to the disparities in our society, the health disparities.
27:30We know something now about the social determinities of health. We know something also aboutenvironmental conditions. Do you know, Bill, that African Americans are disproportionedexposed to environmental hazards that causes asthma, that causes cancer, that causes hard conditions.Sure, because it all goes back to poverty. If a child does not, if a child does not haveadequate nutrition or when they go to school, Bill, there's no way they're going to pass the thirdgrade reading test, which determines how many juvenile prisons are going to be built rather thanmedia programs to help young people have to read. So you're absolutely right. There's no doubt aboutit, that African Americans, and I've said this throughout my whole career, of a much tougher
28:12road than Caucasian Americans, Hispanic Americans, any other group. But the only solution to thatis to get the 70% born in a single family home back down to a reasonable level. Or it's justgoing to be a cycle because you have to have a father. I think that's one of the solutions. That's not theonly solution, but I think that's one of the solutions. I think we have a complex problem ofwhat I would call racial oppression in America. And you're not going to solve it with a simplisticsolution. It's complex. But you have a very permissive. A group of solutions to resolve this.You have an administration now that believes in equity, that believes in actually favoringAfrican Americans for income redistribution for entitlements down the line.
29:08So the oppression of African Americans is not in play currently at the federal level.It's now the other way, the pendulum has swung the other way, that we have to favor this groupto get them back to a parity with the other American groups.But I'll submit to you that that's not going to work.Because it's all personal.I just want to make sure, look, reparations is not favoritism.Reparations with paying the damage that was done.You can't, you can't.
29:44You and I can agree.But, you just agree.This is good.I have a different social condition than once.But don't you understand the bitterness that would arise if you punish the rest of Americato pay reparations to black America?Repairing the damage has been done.Repairing the damage to black Americans does not injure white Americans.
30:08Why would you say that?It comes out of our pockets.Yeah, but what?Because it's taxpayer dollars.Those reparations would be into the hundreds of billions of dollars.Bill, blacks, whites, whites, Latinos, Asian, Native Americans, all of us would benefit from having a society where there's no crime.That's right.benefit when having society was help people access to health care with all
30:34us.And so the only thing that's going to stop, doctor, the only thing that's going to stop, or it'snot going to stop, the only thing is going to bring down violent crime.And African Americans make up, what, 70% of the victims, 75% of the victims.It's talking victims now, not even perpetrators.The only thing that's going to bring that down is a return to traditional upbringing.discipline,morals,
31:03and that has to be instilledin the home.That's the only solution.Last word.Well, Bill, I thinkthere's no such thingas one only solution.I think there are many solutions.
31:16What you cited is a solution,but it is not the only solution.I think we need to continuein this discussion.I think it's a great discussion.And we can have this discussionwithout using foul language at each other.and trying to demonize the other.
31:32I listen to you, you listen to me.We ought to continue this discussion.I want to say one more thing, doctor.I wish I had met your father and mother.Thank you.You're welcome.Thank you for appearing.Okay, so there you have it.
31:50Cultural change, cultural wars.I try to present the smartest people I can get.
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