Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - A Special Presentation

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

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Hey, Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to the special edition of the No Spin News, O'Reilly versus John Stewart. Remember that? So this is interesting. It was a little more than 10 years ago, all right? October 6, 2012, that Stewart and I did the rumble in the air-conditioned auditorium. It was down in Washington, D.C. It was the biggest Internet event in the history of the Internet at that time.

It was unbelievable worldwide exposition. Essentially, it was a debate about politics in 2012. Okay? So Obama was running against Romney. So I looked back at it about two weeks ago. And there was so much in that debate that is relevant to today. That stands to today. So I said to my crack staff, hey, cut about 45 minutes of this and we'll use it as a special on the no-spin news because it's funny. It's relevant. and you get a good look at it okay and that's what we did so we are going to run you a portion of the rumble in the air-conditioned auditorium it was moderated by edie hill she did a nice job and i think you're going to have a blast watching this roll it many pundits and you know who you are say that this is the most important election in a generation Republicans say that voters should ask themselves,

are you better off now than you were four years ago? Now, President Obama can point to a declining unemployment rate. Mr. Romney claims that the Obama policies created the most sluggish recovery in history, and if continued, will make it even worse. So, Bill, do you think people will make their choice based on the economy? I don't care. First of all, how's the air conditioning in here? Is our everyone comfortable?

Everybody, if you want it turned up a little, just tell Stewart, we'll take care of it, all right? Now, I'm going to have a little three-minute opening, and then he'll mock it, okay? Remember a few weeks ago that the tape broke where Governor Romney was saying that 47 percent, 47 percent of Americans are slackers, all right? They're not cutting it, as Clint East Wood would say, they're cutting it, all right? Well, he was off by about 27 percent, about 27. About 20% of us are slackers, and it's a growing industry. And that is what the election is all about.

That's what the country's facing right now. We are spending an enormous amount of money on 20% who, for whatever reason, we're just not going to cut it. We're not going to make a living. We're not going to really do anything. We want our stuff. And we're spending a lot of money. Debt is bad.

Debt is bad, all right? $16 trillion in debt. President Obama, who I like, by the way, and who is dodging me on a 101 basketball game. Did you know that? Yeah. Dodging it. I like them.

Biggest spending president by far in the history of the United States. In fact, President Obama has spent more money than all of the other presidents combined if you take out World War II, which we had to spend a little money there. Okay? All of them. So Martin Van Buren is going, why?

Why? Now, the reason that the president will tell you he's spending a lot of money is because of Bush. It's Bush's fall. How many people think it's Bush's fall? Bush is gone. Adio, Sayonara, aloha. It's boring.

he's gone. Okay? Out of there. It may have been Bush's fault for the first year. Maybe two, but not three and a half. Mr. Stewart. Thank you. Ah!

Ah! My friend Bill O'Reilly is completely full of shit. Now, he and I agree this country does face some problems. We do have some issues. What we disagree on is the scope of these issues and the cause of these issues and the timing of these issues. I believe we have very complex problems in this country, like we have had in this country, low since its inception.

What is wrong with this country is not that we face problems that we have not faced before, we face a deficiency in our problem-solving mechanism. And the reason we face a difficulty in our problem-solving mechanism is that a good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this alternate reality, I call this place where these folks live

B.C. Mountain. The denizens of B.C. Mountain believe many things. They believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country. On B. B. B.S. Mountain, they believe that if they built it, it was because of their success and a little quick Moxian freedom juice. But if life hasn't worked out for them, it is the government on their back. Oh, B. B. B. M. Mountain is a dangerous place. Not to mention the winters on B.

Oh. The winters on B. Mountain are long and cold. And Christmas, the most ubiquitous holiday in the history of mankind is under threat on mountain because somewhere, somehow, a parade in Tulsa has changed its name from Christmas to holiday. I have come here tonight to please. plea to the mayor of B.

Talk to your people. Now, I know that you don't live on B. B. You obviously have to leave for provisions and I believe you have a summer place. But... Until we can agree. on a reality that exists in this country.

You and those denizens believe that we face a cataclysm, a societal cataclysm between freedom and socialism. And on B.S. Mountain, our problems are amplified and our solutions simplified, and that's why they won't work. Income redistribution. Yes. Do you? No.

I ask first. Oh, it's a complicated one. I believe in Social Security. Do you believe in Social Security? Yes, absolutely. So we're both socialists. No, no. We're both socialists.

Income redistribution. Social Security is income redistribution. No, it's not. You pay into it. But you don't pay into it what you get out of it. You pay into it. Some people pay more. And in a cumulative effect.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then you get you. Yep. It is a progressive tax. tax. All right. If you earn $125,000, you pay more into it than someone who pays $50,000. That's...

You dodge a question. Income redistribution, Robin Hood on steroids, okay? Cuba, Sherwood Forest, now. Now, this is not how the Founding Fathers envisioned. Envision does, all right? I like you much better back then. All right. I'll go halfway.

So, we have a president here who believes in social justice. Justice, all right? He wants to take your money, my money, the money of the 1%, all right? And he wants to give it to Bill Moyers. There he is. Bill gets it. I don't want to do it. All right? I work, I work. Let me ask you. Here's how hard I work. I'm here. Okay. That's how hard. You don't want your taxes to go to something that you don't agree with. Is that your I want them to go, I want my taxes to go to people who need help. Now, Bill Moyers needs help. I understand that.

But not economically. All right. Here's what you did this. $16 trillion debt, and we got to pay for Bill Moyers. Let him compete on his own. You want an educational program? Watch your program. Spring for the cable, all right?

Let him compete on his own. Let me ask you this then. Come on. If NPR... $16 trillion, you've got to start to... Okay, we have to start to cut. I'm not sure 130 million is the way to go. Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.

Can we just keep going? You're done with your opening stages. But this is, I think, a good area to go on because I think it speaks to scale and it speaks to the psychosis of bullshit mountains. So let me just very quickly get in this. So Bill O'Reilly has identified the $130 million from NPR

because NPR should be able to compete on its own. Let me ask you this. Should Exxon be able to compete on its own because we give to them and other companies like it, the top 250 countries in this country, over $260 billion every year. I actually agree with you. What? I'm not giving subsidies to anybody.

You mentioned earlier that President Obama didn't create the mess. He says, I got this. I got this on the first day I walked into it. So who do you think, or what do you think, is to blame for where we are economically? Bill, you go ahead. What is to blame for where we are economically? Yes. Well.

May I borrow one of your cards for this? No. Thank you for asking that. Small business scared of Obamacare. Obama care. Won't hire. All right? So when the government starts to call the shots in the free marketplace, and the shots

start to make people a little nervous, they say, hey, maybe I'm not going to hire so much. And worse than that, maybe I'll start to let people go. And maybe I won't lend any money, like the banks. You guys know that since Obama has been in office. We're allowed to bring notes? Yeah, since the president's been in office. Doesn't it feel much better now? Oh, he's back.

$5,000 the average worker has lost in pay. That's a lot of dough. And gas prices have more than double, all right? So you're paying more for stuff, and you're making less. Why are you making less? Because the employers go, you know what, for every job I have open, I've got 10 people wanting it. So I'm not going to pay you very much. I'm bringing the salaries down.

It is a mess. So you've got to let the free marketplace kind of run a little bit. Now, I understand the greetheads. I understand the Wall Street stuff. I got it. I'm not a big Wall Street guy. But you've got to let them go. You've got to unleash the machine.

Yes, because what could go wrong? Oh, like we're doing real great now, huh? We're not doing real great now. but if you take your eye from looking at the world through a toilet paper roll and you get a broader perspective on it, you'll see that the things that you are suggesting are not part of a fundamental change that Obama has brought. And what exactly is that change?

Well, let me put it to you this way. So when Bush left office, when he took office, he had $100 billion surplus. Yes? When he left office, the deficit that he left in one year was $1.2 trillion. dollars. Right? Yeah. Okay.

So that is a change from $100 billion of surplus to $1.2 trillion in deficit. That's a difference of... Yes? $1.3 trillion. Okay. The president, his first year, there was a deficit of $1.2 trillion. This year it's $1.2. So he's held the deficit steady.

All together, how much debt has President Obama run up? Six trillion dollars. Very good. Six trillion dollars. Yeah, I learned that on Sesame Street. Well, let me ask you this. What is, is that all Bush's fault, right? No, but what is the debt that Bush ran on?

Bush, okay. Am I, I, I'm not, I'm not, well, well. Now, see, look, no, no, no, no. Bush is gone. Bush is gone. Bush is gone. Bush is gone. I'm not defending him.

This isn't a question of defending Bush. Sure it is. No, it's not. It's a question of putting our issues in context. And I know context isn't a proper. It's ridiculous. You're saying, look, yeah, my guy ran up $6 trillion in debt, but what did Bush do? Come on, it's ridiculous.

It doesn't matter what Bush did. The job of the president now is to get the debt under control and you got to cut stuff. Power, politics, and the people behind the headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist and the host of the brand new podcast, Podforce 1. Every week I'll sit down for candid conversations with Washington's most powerful disruptors, lawmakers, lawmakers and even the president of the United States. These are the leaders shaping the future of America and the world. Listen to Podforce 1 with me, Miranda Devine, every week on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. You don't want to miss an

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The Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post recently reviewed census data. Report 49% of American households got entitlements last year. And that entitlement spending climbed even as we started moving out of the recession. So, John, do you think the expansion of entitlements is necessary? And is there a possibility it's turning us? into a nation of takers? Well, first of all, we're an entitlement nation. We were born that way.

We're a country that came to another country with people on it and went, yeah, I think we'll have that. Yeah, that'll be nice. Have you ever seen Oprah's favorite things episode? We are people that want free things. We're not an entitlement nation. We are an entitlement species.

But the point of this is, has this president fundamentally changed the relationship between entitlements and the government. And that is why it's important to look at his predecessors and what has gone before it. Barack Obama hasn't increased and expanded your ability to get welfare and food stamps by broadening the pool.

More people have fallen into the social safety net that exists there because, as we talk about, 2.5 trillion dollars of money went out of our economy in the bank crisis in two weeks. So we can all talk about how the government is spending too much money and the free market has to take us out of it, but nobody talks about the flip side of the free market, which is the bust. And we have to start understanding how they can no longer privatize their profits

and socialize their losses. They can no longer begin to take all that money and when it goes out, suddenly complain that somehow the 20% of people that are hungry, that are not doing well. And by the way, 2% of people get welfare, as we know it. The 2% of the people. I don't know where this 20% comes from.

I don't know what the figure is. I don't even know what you're talking about. I have the figures. Right here, would you like to know? I would like to know. Okay, here we have. 107 million people live in homes. This is 35% of American population, all right?

That get means tested entitlement. So that's not Social Security, not Medicare. All right? That means some kind of food stamp or some kind of thing. But look, nobody begrudges people who needed a safety net. But right now we have this mindset that, you know what, if not times it's tough, I'm going to take what I can take. Let me ask you this. Do you know what disability, federal disability is now under President Obama?

It's almost doubled, all right? Let me ask you this question. So is the workplace that much dangerous, much more dangerous as soon as he came into office, things got really tough? But that's a ridiculous statistic. First of all, he hasn't expanded your ability to get it. He has not made it easier to get disability. No, more people are applying for it. Because it's the mindset.

No. It's the Zorba the Greek mindset. We're getting old. Here we are. The government will give it to us. Here's the statistics on that. The statistics on that are 40 to 50-year-olds that has stayed steady. The largest increase in disability is people ages 60 and above, and it's not people dropping bowling balls on their foot and not wanting to work anymore.

It's arthritis. Let me ask you a question. So there's a lot more arthritis now than there was four years ago. Hell yeah! The plague just came in of arthritis. And it's not... Some of the president's policies against terrorism are very good, okay? Particularly the drones.

Drones, yes. Water boards, no. Okay? I want later you can explain this to this. Waterboarding, no. We can't do that. However, we will drop a missile in the middle of town and wipe out everyone. That's okay.

Well, waterboarding, no. Let me agree with Bill O'Reilly and say, I agree on both these counts. We shouldn't waterboard people or drop missiles into the middle of the villagers. I like the missile. I'm pretty down with that. Okay. There's a little logical thinking, though. Being on the field of battle and being captured.

I mean, there's always been sort of a rule that once you capture somebody, you don't torture them. But that's the whole other thing. Muslim Brotherhood, not our friends, all right? Get a clue. Not our friends. So that's a mistake that the President has made in the Middle East. He's done a good job on terrorism, by the way. Let me ask you about Libya and Syria.

Can I just very quickly? Yes, you may. Again, it's interesting about the short-term memory loss on the mountain we discussed earlier. In 2001, 2002, all we heard about was America must spread democracy in the Middle East. We must, even if it means invading their country to get them to have elections. All we had to do was spread democracy because democracy was going to keep us safe. And now we have democracy breaking out in Egypt and Libya and Tunisia.

But because we didn't cause it and we didn't invade those countries and they're voting for themselves, now we have a problem with who they selected. Unfortunately with democracy, the whole idea of it is we don't get to install the leader of that country. That country gets to install the leader. Now, you may believe that that leader is not good for America, but that's not your. choice anymore, and a policy eight years ago of spreading democracy throughout the Middle East has suddenly become as long as they choose the people we find acceptable. Well, of course you're going to have that idea.

But what do you mean? I don't get to choose. You get a president and you get a dead ambassador. You get to choose on how you react to that, all right? So if you're going to kiss their butts over there, they ain't going to respect you, and that's what's happening. See, once again, it's the simple solution to you, Stuart, here, let me break it to you. Another card. Iran, not frightened.

Really? Not frightened. Really. Okay? There's the big bomb right there. They're not scared. They're having currency riots as we speak. Yeah, they're not scared of us.

They may be scared of the real. They're not scared of us. And the reason is not anything that the president has done overtly because he hasn't backed off or anything like that. That's foolish. But the signal he sends to the world is, hey, let's have. have a conversation. No, you're right.

You're right. And his voice goes up five-off. No, you're right. Sometimes you have to say. If the president would only lower his voice. Like this. And put a stern look on his face. Like this.

I think Iran will give up their nuclear ambitions. And I believe, I believe in my soul. Here, here's a clue for you, another one. All Barack Obama has to do is go on a double date with Bibi, with Netanyahu. Okay? Just double date with him, all right? Go anywhere with him. That sends a little message to Tehran.

Hey, whoa, they might be making up some stuff. Maybe we want to take a look at this, all right? But, but, but, when you say, when you say, hey, you want to be the secretary of senility. Look, this is not, that's not a diplomatic policy to say, let's go on a double date with Netanyahu and then Tehran says. You send a little message, all right, but when you say, Chi, what do sanctions do?

What do you? I really can't meet with you because I have to go on the view. That doesn't send a big message. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start your weekdays. Every morning, I'll bring you the stories that matter, plus the news people actually talk about, the juicy details in the worlds of politics,

business, pop culture, and everything in between. It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Moving on to media bias. Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan

says that most people in mainstream media are left of center and they want a very left of center president. So, John, is there this media bias or is that bunk? I mean, it depends. You know, again, I think that Fox News is an overreaction to what may be a patina of people that believe in.

In other words, I don't think ABC and NBC and CBS are activist organizations for liberal causes. I think Fox looks at those organizations and they are sort of an autoimmune disease against that. Fox News is sort of the lupus of news. They have seen something. It is there with a soussaint, and Fox News has gone overboard.

Well, hey, FNC making more than a billion dollars a year, so something's going right. I worked at ABC and CBS. You can't make money selling crap in this country, that's for sure. This won't happen. Just can't have it. It's not like crack and honey boo-boo at their top of the head. Go ahead. We'll ignore this immature stuff.

Let me ask you about polls, Bill. Wait, wait, wait, no, no, no. You worked at CNN. I worked at ABC and CBS. The culture is left wing. And how that plays out is, he's right, they're not like marching in the newsroom with we love chae signs, but it's who they hire, all right, it's who gets promoted, it's what they put in front of you as far as story count is concerned, what stories they concentrate

on, what stories they ignore. All of that plays in. And that's why Fox News is successful, because it gives voice to traditional conservatives at the same level as liberal voices. And in my show in particular, which is the big monster, you know that, we put one to one. It's one to one. No, it's absolutely fair. Right.

You're right. You're on the other night. I think any time you run an organization where more people believe that the president is a Muslim than believe in evolution is a problem. What organization is that? And where did you come up with that? They look at the viewers, man. They've done polls of your viewers more than believe that the president is a Muslim and believed.

They did a poll of Fox News that said most employees at Fox News. No, no, no, not employees. I'm sorry, viewers. I apologize. A viewer. Most viewers. No, I don't know. Oh, you don't know if it was more.

Bill is well known for carrying this pocket size. Bill is not well known. It's so jealous. Constitution and Declaration of Independence, which, by the way, is your Hanukah gift this year. Thank you. In the declaration, the U.S. government is charged with making sure that we have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What else should the government have to give us?

John? Other than life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I don't know. That's pretty all-encompassing. Well, let me put it this way. Let me go to the Constitution then. Let me go to the Constitution if I could. Because I think that's one of the things on Bullshit Mountain is they are the protectors of

the Constitution in this country and freedom. And the rest of the 50% of the people who don't live on the mountain that are parasitic and sucking the life out of them don't respect the Constitution. So let's look at the first sentence of the Constitution, which says, we the people in order to form a more perfect what? LLC? No. Union. To form a more perfect union. And in fact, promote the general welfare. The first sentence of the Constitution mentions unions and welfare.

I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what you're telling you. It doesn't mention corporations and it doesn't mention anything else. Unions in welfare, blame the founders. I do. Because we as a country are only as strong as the weakest amongst us, as the New Testament tells us the poor will always be with us. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. You're telling me. You're telling me. Hold. Hold. To efficiently bring the poor and those in need back into more productive. into more productive society. This is a total out.

This is a... This man has offended... This man, over here, has offended every single American. Are you gonna stand there? Are you sitting or standing? I read the Bible. You know what, here's the thing. We are only...

I am short. I am short. But when you tell me I'm short, I don't blame the liberal weights and measures bureau or I don't suggest that my numbers are skewed and I'm really 6'1, if only the lame stream media would tell people. Yeah. I trust that I'm 5'7.

That's right. And you don't know this, but the feds pay for that lift, all right? Well, he went in. But he's offended every single American by saying that we are only as good as our weakest link. I believe that is right. We're only as good as CNN? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

But that is why we have to work to help CNN out of this terrible predicament that there is. Right on. We need to work together. Right on. And help CNN reintroduce themselves to production society. And this guy too, right here. One of the favorite topics the two of you have is, is there a war on Christmas? And if there has been this war on Christmas, who won?

That's not fair. War on Christmas? Here? Come on. Let me handle this. Oh, yeah. In this country, I believe that this Christmas thing, look, I think people have confused not being able to pray everywhere with not being able to pray anywhere.

And I think they've confused the loss of absolute power with persecution. And the idea that Christmas, I'm a Jew, if you think Christmas isn't celebrated in this country as Christmas, walk a mile in Hanukkah shoes, brother, because... Because you have no idea. Now, I get it. Let me say this. I get it. They are celebrating the birth of their savior.

And I dig that. That's an important thing. And we're celebrating that the oil lasted longer than we thought it would. All right. It's not equivalent necessarily. But when I hear them complaining about, oh, my God. I mean, Fox News, the headquarters of Fox News is what, in Rockefeller Center, If you walk outside of Fox News, it looks like Santa Claus exploded in December.

There's the Christmas Spectacular at Radio City Music Hall. There's the Rockefeller Christmas tree. Like, this whole idea is insanity. Yeah, I know. First of all, we won the war on Christmas, number one. And number two, the reason it was launched... The reason it was launched, you'll remember, is the ACL. you, all right, filed a number of lawsuits against little towns.

Yes. They had the baby Jesus in the manger in the square, along with the menorah, along with the Star and Crescent, along with the McDonald's logo. Everybody was there, all right? As long as you're not being dismissed. Baby Jesus, get him out of there. Slap the baby Jesus. All right.

They file lawsuits, law suits on paper, all right? Now, how we won. Barack Obama dropped the drone on ACLU headquarters. Boom. They're done. All right. Good. In addition...

And by the way, why do we say Merry Christmas more than one day? It's a birthday, right? Like, when it's your birthday, the people that whole month be like, Happy birthday. Like, no. It's one day. Why shouldn't you say happy holidays during the season?

It's two holidays. It's Christmas and New Year's. That's plural. Why would you just say Merry Christmas? Merry Christmas is actually incorrect. To say Merry Christmas to someone on December 23rd, Jesus should just be like, it's not my birthday, dude. Immigration reform!

Why not? Why haven't we heard of them talking about that? Wait, what? Oh, no, I think, again, again, if you were to look at the situation, it is, I think, a smart thing to get children of immigrants who have been illegal had nothing to do with it into the system. And I actually think it'd be much smarter if we would find a way to, secure the border, but take care of the people who are illegal that are here and give them a path to citizenship. But I don't know why we're talking about this in that manner,

because we're just going to build a wall, actually double wall, and a moat with crocodiles. And Joe Arpaio is just going to walk back and forth with a flashlight. I don't have any beef. I think that you should be humane. Because it's the federal government's fault in mess anyway. They did it. I saw these people on the end. Anyway.

You don't have any. Did you see how the Telemundo guys, though, worked your guy over, though, on the, hey, you promise to do something and you didn't do anything? Did you see that? Did you see the interview? I did see. Yeah, I saw it. And they said it in Spanish and English. Liberal, left-wing media.

Yeah, they were doing that. And then the president said, I, uh, uh-ah, uh-ah, uh-huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw, I saw. And that was the best interview, by the way, these Telemundo people, that was the best one so far in the campaign. You think? Yeah, they haven't come through me yet, though. Neither.

And I'm supposed to Republican shield. Mitt Romney's kicking my door and to get in there, yeah. Yeah. What's going to happen now? You're going to move out here. We're going to move out there? Yes. Do I still get my lift?

Yeah, you need to get. Leave your lift. Do you have an extra cushion for him? I think you all. I don't mind. You all were given cards when you came in. People could write down questions. They've selected those.

Only the finest Corinthian leather. That is nice, that is. Thank you. The internet audience also has been able to pose. By the way, Hill didn't want to say. Next to them, that's why I have to shouldn't. Not true. Next, we're going to take away one of the chairs and play a little music.

See what happened. We have another question from one of the members of the audience here. It's from Allison from New Jersey. She says, if the U.S. were burning, what famous person would you save and why? Bill, you want to hit that one first? The U.S. were burning, what famous person would I save? And why? If the U.S. was burning.

Yeah. How long were you waiting in line, I would save Oprah. She's worth about $100 billion. Who would you say? My family. Yeah. But hey, listen, but hey, listen, Oprah's a great answer, too. From the Internet.

Alex from California, writes, If either of you are a supreme ruler of the civilized world... Yes! You have opened a can of worms there. What type of government would you put in place? John? I would put in place pretty much what we have, which is... Socialism.

A social democracy. Look, you're socialist, too, dude. If you're for Social Security, and if you're for Social Security and Medicare, we're all socialists, this argument is about what shade of red we are. That's it. It's like that old joke about, you know, would you sleep with me for a million dollars? Sure. Would you sleep with me for a dollar? No, but we've already established what you are.

So you'd be a socialist and we live in Cuba. I would put in pretty much... a more participatory democracy. So I would basically... Here's what I would do. This is unconstitutional now. But you would have to vote to be able to vote the next time. You see?

If you sat it out one time, then you'd miss a round. So I would say, look, you have a... Yeah, let's do it like a game of chutes and ladders. You have an obligation. If you land on red, you can only vote. for congressional elections. Now here's how it goes. I want the folks to be more involved because right now we have 50%

of the people know nothing. Jersey Shore people, you know these people. The Colbert Watchers. In terms of healthcare, do you think everyone should have it? I think everyone should have access to it. Do I think we should pay for people's health care who are able-bodied? able-bodied, no. Should we pay for veterans' health care? Yes. Should we pay for, because they deserve the best? They should have what my father had, when we came back from World War II,

is they should have discounted health care premiums, just like they got discounted mortgages. They should be rewarded for their service. So they should have the best health care they should have? Well, the health care... Is the system that they have now the best they can have? The best that we have to offer in this country? No, no, no. I think the whole health care system has to be reorganized in this country. All you have to do is go to Canada or Britain and see what they have there. They run it and you can't get an operation in Canada. They have to come here for it. And in Britain, everybody's teeth have fallen out, all right? Just, I lived in England for a year. I know what the system is. The government can't do it. No one in those places, though, goes broke because

they have a medical condition because they're covered. They don't get good, they don't get good care. I feel like I'm sitting next to Deepak Chopra here. And then we'll have chimes and with chimes everywhere. And then we'll have, they'll come and heal us. We'll be healed. Come, just, look, clinics fine. They can't run it. How is it the two personalities such as yourselves,

who are almost polar opposites politically, share a willingness to come together when Congress can't? What advice would you give Congress? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And what would you like for Christmas, little boy? Get on. Would an Abraham Lincoln in this day and age be an Abraham Lincoln, or would the tenet The tenacity of the 24-hour news cycle, find a way to turn him into just some skinny

guy with a beard. In his day, Lincoln was the most hated man in the country. He didn't have the 24-7 drumbeat, but he couldn't go out. They were throwing stuff at him. And I mean, particularly when the North was not doing well in the war. So it was inside Lincoln, not outside. And we need somebody like that. What do you think is the most fundamental problem with the public

political discourse. Let's do it. Honestly, I think we've lost our ability to problem solve. We're having the wrong conversation in this country. That the conversation we're having in this country is about a fundamental clash of civilizations when I think we have basically agreed that we're a social democracy. Like whether you want to get around it or not, this isn't a conversation between freedom and tyranny and capitalism and socialism.

And until we lose that artifice and begin to concentrate on making, I think I want government, I don't want it gone, I want it better, I want it more efficient, I want it accountable, I want it to be able to, uh, bureaucracies have huge problems and they need really smart administrators. And that's what this country and conversation should be about, not about one part of the country is somehow carrying the flag of freedom and the other part of the country is fundamentally undermining it. I think that's bullshit. The problem is that... By the way, I have no idea what you just said, but the problem with the discourse deal... You went to Harvard, dude. I know. I had the same problem there.

What? The problem with the discourse deal is capitalism. That's the problem with it because... Wait, say it again. The problem with the discourse situation. situation in America is capitalism. Listen to me and follow closely. You can make a lot of money by being an assassin. A lot of money. And either the matter with right wing or left wing, all right. You go in and you're a hater, radio, cable, in print, whatever, you can get paid. And there's

a people who do that. And they go in, they don't even believe half the stuff they say. And they just rip it up. And they get paid a lot of money. And that has coarsened everything. They're phonies. And capitalism drives that. There are people, Americans, who want to hear hate, and they hate it, they hear it. And that is just blown it all up. There's no rules on the Internet?

None. Go listen to these comments. After this program, I'm sure there'll be chat rooms about this. Where do you see the column? Where do you see them? All right? And that, it's not coming back either. It's not going to get any better.

get me better. But we have to live with it. Freedom of speech. Okay, so John Stewart is doing what I do. Now, it's not a news program he does. It's more of an interview thing. It's on Apple, something. So I called them up and I said, you know, we ought to reprise or update the Rumble. And he didn't want to do it. Now, I like Stewart, but things have changed in this country 10 years. So back then in 2012, you could do that kind of a thing and get a big audience on both sides, conservative, liberal, and independent, all sides.

Now, if Stewart did that, his left-wing base would be angry. See the difference? So Stewart, he does need, you know, he's famous like me and doesn't need to do it. But I wanted to do it because we made a lot a lot of money for charity in the original Rumble, and I wanted to try to duplicate it, but it probably is not going to happen unless I see Stuart, and then I will chase him down

and make him do it. All right, thank you for watching the special edition of the NoSpin News. See you soon.