Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Bill vs. the Media: Confronting Evil World Tour

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

The best of Bill's media appearances. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

But if the mass people like Gandhi went on strike refused to do anything, government collapses. Okay? So there are different situations, and I've picked 15 of the worst situations for confronting evil. And in some of them, like Nazi Germany, Japan and World War II, the people are at fault who allowed what happened. The Russian people today are at fault for Putin killing innocent women and children. They're at fault. I agree. I've always sort of, that is the macro on the micro when they do that thing where it's like the 13-year-old boy was running the streets and he was firing a pistol.

in the seventh grade, and it was two in the morning. I'm like, I get that that kid is a juvenile delinquent, but I also want to know what the parents are doing. Yeah, there you go. Who is in charge of that kid, and why are they letting him do this? You brought up something, which was debating you, and I wanted to bring this up because it just popped into my head the other day, because I always hear every progressive politician talking about speaking

truth to power. You know, it's all Kamala Harris talked about, Karen Bass. They're always speaking truth to power, but they would never dream of debating you or coming on my podcast or sitting down with Joe Rogan. You know, Kamala Harris wanted to

speak truth to power, but wouldn't do Joe Rogan's podcast. You know, they only go to super friendly places and handle softball questions, which is the opposite of speaking truth to power, and then they complain about voices like yours or Tucker Carlson's, or the list goes on and on. They don't like that they're popular. They don't like

the voice. Then they talk about truth to power and they never show up in debate. They won't even go on Bill Maher's show and have a sit down with Bill because he might ask him a couple of tricky questions. So what is the whole truth to power nonsense they're speaking of? Well, number one, they don't have any truth. So if you have truth, you want to spread the word. right corolla yes if you i have truth it's wrong to consciously hurt another human being that's my truth that's what evil is you know you're going to hurt somebody and you do it anyway not self-defense but because you like it 15 percent of the world population falls into that psychopathic profile 15 that that that many that's a lot folks

uh yeah it's a lot of people okay so that that's who's in prison but in america they're not all in prison because they won't put them in prison anymore so that's my truth it's a simple truth it's a definition of evil so now if kamala harris had had a simple truth she would go on a corolla show o'reilly show rogan show because she could spread it and defend what her truth is i can defend my truth against anyone. Any human being on this earth, I can defend it. And I'd be happy to talk to any responsible person. In fact, we just put in a request for your buddy, Jimmy Kimmel, whoever very, I had a good relationship with, who now won't book anybody who isn't in sync with his political point of view. But he's coming to Brooklyn. It's right

around a corner from me. I said, hey, Jim, you'll get big ratings. you put me on, he knows he will. Okay? We'll have a very lively discussion like I'm having with your buddy Corolla right now. So what's the downside? Okay? You know why they won't do it? Because they're afraid.

Well... Now, maybe Kimmel will rise to the occasion. I hope he does. Be a great, great show. No, I mean, most of them are terrified. Gutfeld went on Fallon and it was a ratings bonanza a couple of weeks ago. So now there's some

some precedent for it. Mr. Kirk's death, I think, is going to lead to a renaissance of a demand for justice. That's what I believe is going to happen. But in order that to happen, you have to understand what is happening in this world right now. And that's why I wrote Confronting Evil, because most people look away. They don't understand. They don't know what happened. Every one of the 15 miscreants profiled in evil, my book, is relevant to today.

As far back as Caligula in the Roman Empire, it's all relevant to today. But this shows shocking, so disconcerting, so sad, the assassination of a 31-year-old just exercising its freedom of speech with two young children and a wife, that everybody is forced to pay attention. And now you have to inform yourself. So you guys might know that earlier this week on the launch of confronting evil, I made a very bold statement that the progressives, of course, attacked. My statement was, if you live in New York City and you vote for Mandani, you are committing an act of evil.

Doesn't mean you're an evil person. It means that vote is evil because Mandani has told you, just like Hitler did in the 1920s. I'm not comparing Hitler to Mandani, but it's the same kind of presentation of what they believe. Mandani has told you he does not want to imprison criminals. He'll let out as many as he can. Well, that is going to lead to more murder, more rape, more assault. He's not hiding it. There's no two sides to it.

He said it. So you are voting for that if you pull a lever for the man. And I'm saying to the American public, you have to stop that. You can't enable these people in Charlotte where the judge let this guy out, knowing the man was violent, knowing he had beat up his own sister, let him out to do what he did to that young woman on the bus. Every American has got to say, no, we're not voting for that judge should be removed, the fact that she isn't removed. I think she will be, what are you doing in North Carolina? What are you doing? Same thing in Chicago, South Side, 20 years, 20 years of drug gangs mowing down poor black citizens.

And you object to a layer of protection offered by the federal government to stop it or at least mitigate it. You object to that? What the deuce is going on? So Americans have got to get as angry as you guys. as me, in order to make Charlie Kirk's death a legacy play. So when people die in this violent manner, if something good can emerge that prevents future deaths, that is very important. Bill, can I ask you, the, I don't think you're on blue sky.

I felt obligated because I was going to talk about this because I saw people saying, you will not believe how much vile and just disgraceful celebration was going on on this website, which is the, it's like the left-wing lunatic version of X because they can't control X anymore because of Elon. So there's this whole place. You just go, and Bill, I was going through it last night.

Do you think, and it was as bad as everybody was saying, I can tell everybody it was it's horrific do you think that there is any sense from some of the democrats who matter some of the democrats who have power within their party that there is something deeply spiritually psychologically wrong with the base of their party i mean do you get that sense that there's any accountability from within their side or is this just going to be a both sidesism and And some people are going to celebrate it on their team and other people are going to ignore it. How do you see that where we are right now? Only the mentally ill would celebrate the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So these people who are doing that are mentally ill. Whether they're a danger to society, I don't know. But that's the classification 100% of them fall into.

There's no excuse for that. Now, on the Democratic Party front, you are seeing today a total retreat from Trump as Hitler, from MAGA or horrible human beings, you're seeing a 100% retreat because if you are on the hill or in a state office, you are not going to be able to survive by peddling hate in the wake of Charlie, Kirk's assassination, you will not be able to survive it. Okay? They all know that. I mean, the view today came on, and this is a very good example because everybody knows what the view is.

All right, and these are radical left women. These are not thinkers. These are people who are in business to make the other side suffer. All of them were lamenting the death of Charlie Kirk. Predictable. Disney would not tolerate it. And they saw what happened to Matthew Dowd at MSNBC. But was Charlie Kirk ever invited on the program?

No. You have a contents page, as every book does, and there were three that jumped out of me because there is a kind of comforting American notion that we are a flawed people, but we've never been an evil people. But there are three American institutions or Americans in your book,

the Slavers of the Coast off New Orleans, Nathan Bedford Forrest and the robber barons. All from your orientation, purveyors of unforgivable evil. I think that's accurate. Slave trade is the worst thing that ever happened in the United States by far. And the two guys who ran it, we profile.

One lived in Virginia, the other in New Orleans, became the richest men in the world. and they knew exactly what they were doing and they didn't care they didn't care to tear families apart they didn't care if you were hanging the slaves from a tree they didn't care as long as they got paid so we go through that step by step and where do you see how it work on the robber barons i included that chapter because of teddy roosevelt i want to put some good in the book you know unrelenting bad some good and roosevelt went up again J.P. Morgan and Rockefeller and Carnegie. He went up against him and he won. He beat them.

Because what they were doing was squeezing the American worker. And they were dying by the thousands in the mines and the factories. He had kids working eight years old. They're exploiting them. I mean, it was horrible. Meanwhile, the gilded age, they got 18 homes all over the place these guys. They knew exactly what they were doing. Rockefeller was freezing people out of their home so he could boost the price of oil artificially. Come on. And that's not taught in school. We are a noble nation.

There's no doubt and down we free billions of people. But those things, and then Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the biggest war criminals of all time, the Confederate General, who founded the Ku Klux Klan. And again, you go, Nathan Bedford Forrest, they're like statues of them in places. crazy because people don't know. So my job as a journalist historian is to shed, you know, to tear down the shroud. I don't want Americans to be like the Chinese and they don't know anything. All right, we need to know as much as possible. And that's why we're the bestselling nonfiction authors on earth. Right. With the killing books and now the confronting books.

19 number one bestsellers. That is a formidable record. On the slavers, the reason I thought that was so important is you were not talking about the transshipment. You were talking about what had already been outlawed, which was the importation, but the trade of enslaved Americans who were here, which is a part and a dimension of that story, much of. of which is not taught in schools, but that is really not taught. And I thought you admirably brought that to the surface. Thank you.

I appreciate you reading a book, because a lot of interviewers don't. You know, the phrase up the river? Yeah. The cliche, well, that's where that came from. Because when you was sold in New Orleans, you went up the river, the Mississippi River, to whatever plantation bought you.

And the real devastation, And again, it's in play to this day in America. So the 16-19 stuff, they're on a wrong track here. They've lost it, okay? But the devastation that slavery caused the African-American community still lingers. The bitterness, the disassociation, the fracture of families, all of the, stuff that happened after the Civil War that Nathan Bedford Forrest contribute

to with the Ku Klux Klan. That's all in the DNA. And it's important for all Americans, no matter what color you are, to understand that. Okay? Because once you understand it, then you can deal with it more effectively.

So I'm not buying it, you know, slavery-built America. That's ridiculous. Would it Boston just appeared? Right. Because slaves were that? No. No. But There is a reality that we Americans should face is that some of us, Native Americans, Black Americans, other minorities, have a much rougher road of it. And we, as fair people, noble people, have an obligation to try to mitigate that a bit.

And when President Trump says, as he has recently, that inclusion of stories like this are, by their very nature hostile to America or anti-American and should be in some way policed out of either the Smithsonian or other institutions? Where do you come down? I come down on the truth has to be told. So there's no question that in many museums in Washington and other cities across the country, there's an anti-American strain that they put up the event as everybody accepted this. Everybody was down with this. No.

No, a million Northerners were killed or severely ruined and trying to free the slaves. What Trump wants, and I know this, because I talked to him about it all the time, the history of it, is a balance. He doesn't object to telling America the truth about their country, but he wants the whole truth, not just a ideological presentation like 1619.

You don't want that. So I think he's got a valid argument, but it depends on what the policy is you're talking about. You want me to give you a real contemporized view of this for your CBS audience? Please. Donald Trump has the power to put troops on the streets of Chicago, Memphis, whatever other city he wants. And the Supreme Court will rule that way because of what U.S. Grant did.

U.S. Grant, after Andrew Johnson, one of the worst presidents ever, ignored the brutalization of blacks after the Civil War. Totally ignored it. Yep. Grant came in and said, you know what, we've got to stop this. He sent federal troops to South Carolina, didn't ask permission to wipe out the Klan. And they did. And they did it under the banner of public safety, the same banner that Trump is using

to stop this horrendous violent crime in Chicago. Now, he hasn't sent him there yet because they don't want to be. reversed by the Supreme Court with posse commentatus so they're trying to get in but theoretically he has the power to do it based upon what happened to the clan and u.s. grant um you of course have a nice chapter uh on one vladimir putin uh and it's my sense bill that vladimir putin made a massive miscalculation about Donald trump my theory is and i think there's evidence to support this that Putin came in and thought, okay, Trump's coming in. Trump is willing to consider some kind of reset.

He wants a negotiated settlement. And I think he interpreted that as weakness on Trump's part, that he could roll this guy. And so Putin decided to put the pedal to the metal and go all in on the military solution to gain an advantage over the last several months. Donald Trump doesn't like a lot of things. One of the things he doesn't like is somebody trying to make him look bad or push him around. And that is sort of reinvigorated, I think, Donald Trump's opposition to Putin and willingness to go to the mat against this guy. Give me your assessment strategically of where we stand on the situation with Ukraine. And they give me a sense of where you think it's going because I share your view that Putin is a calculating guy.

he's not an idiotog, but he is an evil guy who wants to sort of reconstitute the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin. And the question is, is that kind of guy even capable of negotiating a deal? Well, in 2017, I did an interview with Donald Trump, the Super Bowl. And in the interview, a very famous clip where I said, I'm going to deal with Putin, he's a killer. And Trump kind of slothed it off. Well, we're not so great ourselves sometimes. But I knew, for the in the very beginning about bad lad. In the first term, Trump's first term, he was able to contain Putin. Now, I don't know how he did it exactly one-on-one,

but they had a decent relationship in the sense that Putin didn't cause massive trouble. Cause a little bit of trouble, but not massive. But evil changes people. You get worse and worse and worse when you have. have unlimited power. So Putin is not the same guy now than he was when Trump left office. He's much worse. He's a psychopath. I don't think he lives in the real world, Putin. He enjoys slaughtering women and children with drones. He likes it. He's got a million casualties on his own side. Couldn't care less. I believe he would.

use nukes if you were up against a wall. Now, Trump has realized that. It took them a little while to see the change, all right? But it's there. And now you're in a position where the only thing that's going to moderate that Ukrainian slaughter is if Putin feels that his power is in danger. And there's only one way to do that without military. and that is just to strangle his economy.

But the president still has not pulled the trigger pardon upon on that. Are you optimistic that he will? It depends. I question whether Putin would even want a negotiated settlement unless, of course, his job is on the line, so speak. He doesn't. He doesn't. It'll have to be forced upon him.

But there are a lot of other things in play that people don't know about. China. China is a big player here behind the scenes And you don't know what the Chinese are going to do Chinese turn on Putin Putin's got a big big problem So there's a lot of other stuff

It's not as a linear A leads to B leads to C leader These news analysts drive me nuts They don't know anything I mean every day I'm listening to these people go Oh my God It's not that I'm a genius But I know I know what's happening

They don't know. Putin doesn't want to make a deal. He wants to take over Ukraine. He wants to be a macho man. He wants to be, as you said, be Stalin light. Stalin's his idol. We go through that in confronting evil. But he can be forced to do it.

But it's going to be very tactical. It's going to require some big surprises. You commented. You talk about that you know more than most people and the fact that you've been asked to go and address the Chinese Politburo, the fact that Donald Trump's seeking your advice I think does speak to the evolution of your career.

You wrote something in your newsletter I thought was just noting and says, your humble correspondent is walking a tightrope between journalism and policy. I have no choice. My career span is now more than 50 years. I know a lot. It's my responsibility to help my country.

I guess, is that something that sort of evolved over time or did you just wake up one day? Like, look, yeah, I cannot just. be a journalist. I have to engage and try to help make a difference. No, it's life. You know, life presents you with opportunities. And I never, in a million years, thought I would be in, I'm about as far away from a diplomat as you could possibly get. Okay. I never thought I would be involved at this level with very important matters for the United States of America. But if you look at my resume and you look at what I've done, it makes sense.

All right? So now we have worldwide technology. Every nation on earth knows who I am. They know I'm sitting next to the president of the United States of Yankee Stadium. They can see the pictures. They know. And the president and I have a very respectful relationship. Again, I don't call him up and say, you should do this.

I never do that, ever. When he asks, I give him an honest answer. But my contacts all over the world are unmatched. And I can get in touch with the most important people on a planet who really know what's going on, and they will tell me. A lot of times off the record, but that's all right. So I'm in that position where what I'm doing, I'm doing not for money.

I got plenty of money. I don't need any more money. I'm doing it to try to help this country. And one of the things I said to the Chinese was, look, this is doable. And I actually gave them a proposal called a partnership for peace and prosperity. I said, if you just look at this, it's absolutely doable. It doesn't set you back in your interest. internal dealings with your people at all.

Let's do it. And that's the point you have to get them to both sides. Is that, okay, doing this, if the United States and China would ally together to tamp down all the other madness in the world, this world would be a thousand percent safer place. Is there a danger? I've been watching a lot of people reacting to this. And I agree with everything you've said. But is there a danger in people on the right playing into the same place

that they have always criticized the woke left in particular of occupying, which is the enemy of free speech, wanting to cancel people, wanting people to lose their jobs over things that they've said? I mean, for example, I'll play you a clip. This is a Kimmel reacting to the cancellations of Tucker, from Fox and Roseanne Barr from his own network, ABC. Let's take a look. That's right. Fox News has severed bow ties with Tucker Carlson.

After all these years, they are parting ways, which means he was fired. I mean, that's really what parting ways means. You know, what would have been interesting, Bill, would have been if the conservative right to a man and woman had just reacted by saying he shouldn't be fired. It would have absolutely exposed the hypocrisy if on the left, if they had just not called for him to go. It seems that I reckon Kimmel was going to get fired anyway based on ratings and how much money it was costing,

just like we saw with Stephen Colbert. It would have been a natural thing to happen. But by demanding he be fired and gleefully celebrating it, is the right not falling into that trap of behaving exactly the way they've always attacked the left behaving? Well, the quote is, when they go lower, we go higher, right? Right. That was Michelle Obama. But extremists never go higher. That's why they're extremists. So you're hearing the amplification of voices on both the left and the right that are not rank and file. They're loons.

There are people who don't want to hear the other point of view, who despise the other point of view, and oftentimes want to hurt the other point of view. You open this conversation with you and me and a lot of controversial people have always been in danger. I'd have security to live in my house for a time. Even now, when I go to events, like the Yankee Stadium event 10 days ago with Donald Trump, it was. security, massive security. We all know that there is a danger to speaking your mind. And that's why a lot of people won't do it. But you're never going to get the extremes on the right and the left to be logical. That's why the word extreme exists. They're fanatics. And you've seen that all throughout history just final word for you bill in the memorial service you had the kind of two really memorable

moments one was erika kirk charlie's widow saying she's forgiven the assassin and then you had almost immediately afterwards donald trump the president saying you know he could never do that he hates his opponents and sorry he apologized he was kind of half choking but not really What did you make of those two moments? And was Trump, was that a sensible thing to do following what Erica Kirk had said to sort of ratchet things up about hating opponents? Well, number one, the comments by the president were not scripted. They were off the cuff and he does that all the time. I thought it was an extraordinary moment for America when Erica Kirk said that she forgave the man that

killed her husband. And you have to put it into this kind of context. What does she say to her three-year-old daughter? And when her one-year-old son becomes cognizant, what does she say? They don't have a daddy. Yet she stood up there in front of millions and said, I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. Jesus forgave the people who murdered him on the cross. And I'm going to do the same thing to step back for a moment with all the emotion flying and go that's just absolutely extraordinary for human being to do that now Donald Trump was honest when he said yeah he has a very hard time emulating Erica Kirk and I can identify with that it's very hard for me to forgive the people that just tried to destroy me and my family who've

harmed me and my family. I know who they are. I know what they've done very hard. And I say to my priest, because I actually go to church every Sunday, go to Mass, I have to, I can't get behind in the atoning. But I say, look, if somebody asks me for forgiveness, if they say they're sorry, I'll forgive them like that. But these people have no remorse. And they'll hurt other people. And I have a very hard time with that. And that's the essence of confronting evil. All 15 men in the book, they did the most heinous things you could do. None of them showed any remorse at all.

And so the question for theologians is, are we collectively supposed to forgive Hitler and Mao and these other people, Lee Harvey Oswald? it's very, very difficult. But I admire what Erica Kirk did because that is such a positive message. But I have to be honest, myself, I'm like Donald Trump in that regard. I have a very, very hard time. You know, if I'm honest,

I'm probably more sided with you guys than I would be with Erica Kirk. And that's why it was such an extraordinary thing for her to do and say it. I was interested that Trump said, you know, he's going to talk to Erica, and maybe they can persuade him. I think probably good luck with that, but it would be very interesting to hear those conversations, particularly as he's become, I think, more profound about his faith

since surviving the assassination attempt on his life. I've talked to him about that. One word answer to my last question, Bill. Is there any way back for Kimmel at ABC, do you think? Sure. I don't like what happened to Jim. As I said, I had a good relationship with him. He was respectful to me when I was on his program.

But at this point, what I would advise him to do, and there is an interesting thing. I offered about a year ago, through Adam Carolla, one of his best friends, I saw where Kimmel was going. I saw it. I've been around a long time on TV. And I said, look, tell Jim I want to talk to him. Because you can do this satire, you can get your point across. You can do all that without being hateful, without being, you know, a person who's just loathing, okay? But Chimel never called.

And I know Corolla passed on the message. But I don't think he should be banished or canceled, but I think he needs a little bit of time off. Explain your definition of evil and why you believe it's on the rise. very simple definition. If you hurt another human being intentionally, you know you're hurting them, and then you have no remorse, that is evil. And if you do it over and over and over, then you become an evil person in every way, shape, or form. There's no getting around it. That is the litmus test. You cannot hurt another person intentionally and have no remorse. morse about it. That's evil. I'm looking at this and I'm wondering what made you decide to write

this book at this particular time. Confronting evil. Why this right now? It's a good question because a year ago, it takes a year to research and write these books. I was coming off confronting the president's big success, so I had to follow it. And I noticed a rise in evil in the United States and around the world. Putin is the poster boy for that. He's on the cover. of confronting evil with Ayatollah Khomeini, Hitler, and Mao. I put Putin's front and center to send the message that this isn't just a history book. This is happening now. And the book came out September 9th.

And September 10th, my birthday, I wake up. And Putin lobs missiles into Poland. Extremely dangerous situation for the world. And a few hours later, we have the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And an interviewer said to me, that's just eerie, the timing. But I knew a year ago that evil was on the rise of the world over. And I knew it because I have eyes, I can see. And I'm watching social disorder in L.A., New York, Chicago, all the big liberal cities.

Right in front of you, I'm watching conduct that never would have been accepted, even 15, 20 years ago. never you couldn't openly sell narcotics in the street you would have been dealt with not anymore so people are looking away from evil and when you do that and every society proves it evil then rises and gains power would you consider our president evil no evil is an intentional infliction of pain and suffering Donald trump is a flawed man because we all are flawed men and women. There's no doubt that he wears his personality, his bombastic personality, on a sleeve, a lot like you do, a lot like I do. We can identify with him because we're people in the arena who pretty much speak our minds. I don't believe he's a bad man. I've known him 35 years.

I don't hang around with evil people, with the exception of Chris Cuomo. I had to do that. That's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. But Trump, in his private moments, and I'm there for some of them, is very concerned about the suffering of other people. He wants to stop the Ukrainian war and all the blood. He sincerely does. So to call him evil would be like calling him a Nazi or whatever they're calling him today, wrong and insulting. You also said those who turn away from evil, don't confront it, not just something. somebody who's not evil, but also somebody who doesn't turn away from it.

Do you believe he turns away from it enough, or do you believe he confronts it to your satisfaction? I don't have the data to answer that question with any authority. I don't follow him around. Got it. I know that he's the president. I know the other presidents, four of them fairly well. they have to pick and choose what causes they take on.

Trump has obviously selected migration as his number one, crime as number two, and a lot of his supporters believe he's done a lot of good in those areas. His attractors don't. That's our country. But I think that on balance in my lifetime, there isn't a president that has been evil in my lifetime. I think that James Buchanan, who was a coward and allowed to solve the rise in ferocity,

boarded on evil because he knew people were going to die, slaves were getting hammered, he knew all that did nothing. And there were a few other presidents that were wicked, harding, wicked. But in my lifetime, most of the presidents have tried to do the right thing, perhaps because of expediency for themselves. not saying they were noble, but I hadn't seen anybody in the office that I would, even Biden, who was a terrible president. I was getting ready to go there or ask you about Biden. You had him as a wicked man. You had him as your second worst president. Is that correct?

Yeah, and he was lucky he got second because the Civil War is pretty big. But Biden was, and you're going to see over time how bad he actually was. Now, he's going to have an asterisk next to his name, it's going to say, well, he might not have known what he was doing. And that's a medical condition. And that might be an excuse, but boy, he was bad. You also write about the Mexican drug cartel in this book. Speak about their impact on society and your estimation. Well, we're looking at a country totally out of control, Mexico. It's run by criminals who make billions of dollars selling poison and kill millions of people all over the world. Fenton. all kills millions of people and hundreds of thousands in the United States and these people have

no remorse that's another designation of evil they don't they never have remorse and they make so much money and they abuse people so we focused in on two of them one mexican one columbia and we tell you about it how they live their lives what they do how uh it's just astronomical but the mexican government enables that they know what they're doing because they have you know 200 000 in Mexico over the past couple of years, 200,000 murders. And you're going, well, why are you permitting that? And then when Trump offers the help, Shinebaum, the president of Mexico, she turns him down.

That's just crazy. But drug dealing at any level, street level, cartel level, whatever, is evil. That's it. It's evil. And you cannot justify it in any way. Anyway. Before I go to my, I had another question for you, but I wanted to go back to Vladimir Putin, the, you know, President of Russia. And you speak about him being an evil man. The reasons are obvious. He's considered a mass murderer in the eyes of yourself and many, many others. It happens to be factual in a lot of people's eyes when we consider what transpiring in the Ukraine, a war that he clearly instigated. Somehow, some way we've seen Trump take a turn when it comes. to how he speaks about the Ukraine-Russia war compared to what he did months ago.

Why do you believe that shift has taken place? And do you believe that it may be too little too late because Trump wasn't forceful enough in the beginning? All right. So in his first term, Donald Trump contained Putin. He was able to reason with him. Putin still misbehave, but not on any level like this. Putin changed. Evil always makes it worse. If you embrace evil, you get worse and worse and worse and worse.

And in five years, Putin became a flat-out sociopath and a psychopath. He enjoys killing women and children. He targets hospitals in Ukraine. He targets small towns. He likes it. That's a different cat than Trump dealt with the first time around. Donald Trump didn't realize that. He thought he was getting the same Putin. Now, you may have seen the pictures of me and President Trump at Yankee Stadium on 9-11. The president invited me to go there, and I knew there was a reason.

It wasn't a social occasion. And when I was sitting next to him at his request, and I handed in my book, Confronting Evil, I said, Mr. President, look, I know you're busy. But you've got to read the Putin chapter. You have to, because this is not the same. man that you were dealing with. And this chapter explains where he is. He would use nuclear weapons, Putin. I don't doubt you, Bill. I'm just saying, we kind of knew this before now.

How is it that Donald Trump didn't know? I mean, you invited him in Alaska. It's not a matter of knowing. Okay, go ahead. It's not a matter of knowing. Trump tried to get Putin to be reasonable. That's what Alaska was all about. He tried. And I don't. fault him for that. You know, he did everything he could to get this guy to be seen and a guy just gave him the middle finger. So now it's going to change. 24 hours after I gave the president my book, I got a text, went, whoa, okay? So I know he read the book. And then at the UN and on other statements, he's rallying now to really put a big hurt on Moscow. But the key to this all is If China would stop enabling Putin, then Putin couldn't do what he's doing.

And I think that Donald Trump is working that angle very, very hard. So it's not simplistic too little too late. It's not letting them do too much. It's overall strategy. And I think we're in another zone now. You talk in the book, you talk a bit about the moral struggle between good and evil. I'm wondering in a time where we're all on this thing, where we're all being hit with Instagram, TikTok, all the crazy stuff that's coming through and the gender confusion and

everything else, where do you think Americans should be getting a moral, well, let's ask it this way. Do you think politicians have any responsibility to be giving a moral guidance, or should that purely be coming from, like, a religious perspective? Well, I can't give moral guidance because most of them are immoral. So how can they do that? But they can certainly lay out standards of behavior. And that is very important in the public arena.

Look, in New York City, where I am, you can sell heroin fentanyl on a street. Nobody's going to arrest you. And even if they do take you in, you can get prosecuted. That's flat out wrong. You're selling poison of people. You're killing people, enslaving people, children. to get abused and you're not going to do anything about it. Come on. That's the kind of stuff where politicians have to get loud. And most of them are cowards. And it's like the clerics. So I'm

Catholic. I still go to church every Sunday. And when I was in Catholic school, it was a clear right and wrong. Okay. You do this. You go to heaven. You do this. Got me a little hot for you. God, the kid has God. So religion is dissipated to a stunning degree. And a lot of kids don't ever hear about it. They don't know what the Bible is. They don't know what standards of behavior. That is easily imparted by politicians and clerics, but a lot of them are just afraid to do it. So since you mentioned, you are in New York City and Mamdami, a guy who I think is replicating a lot of the ideas that some of the people you've written about in the book brought to fruition. How bad do you think New York City will actually

get if he becomes mayor? Well, Mandami is doing the Fidel Castro playbook, almost word for word. So you remember in the late 1950s who was a dictator running Cuban named Batista. You saw the godfather too, and that was pretty accurate. cases in pocket of the mafia organized crime horrible horrible and the Cuban people had nothing Castro's charismatic guy's got the little beret I'm saying and says look I get this guy out of here we're going to have a fair economy we're all going to be better vote for me and you really don't have to vote because we're going to take it over we got more guns now and that's what Castro did mandami I think has studied Castro's speeches because the same patterns are in play

Oh, I'm not a communist. Oh, no, no, no. I'm a Democratic socialist. A bunch of crap. He would confiscate everything you have, Dave, like that, if he could. I agree. Okay? All right, that's what he wants.

He wants to confiscate private property. He wants the government to run everything and to give to the have-nots or whatever it may be. Okay. If he's elected, then two things happen right away. The police department dissolved. because even now, many, many experienced officers are retiring, looking for other work. They're trying to get out. They're down here with us in Florida, Bill.

That's where they've all come. There's a lot of people going to Florida. So the NYPD and my grandfather was one, it's 10,000 light, 10,000 under what they should be. You're going to have another 10,000 out of there. That is going to give license. to every violent miscreant to do whatever they want to do, which they're pretty much doing now with the no bail law, okay? And Bragg is the DA, and he doesn't prosecute anything.

So it's a free fire zone on crime. The other thing is economics. So where I live is just outside the New York City boundary. Real estate in my hound has got up 20%. two zero since mandani announced and that's all new york city selling their places getting the hell out before he comes in because what he's going to do is put draconian taxation on everything not just your income but everything's going to double because he's going to boom boom boom New York City tax on this, New York City tax on that.

And corporations are going, can't do it. So they're going to go to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, the Carolinas, and the people who have homes in the five boroughs are moving to Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, wherever it may be. So that flow out, I estimate to be at a half million people in four years under Mandami. a half million will leave the New York City area. And take the tax money with them, which then will only further, only further create. What do you think about the class welfare, or the class warfare problem that it will also create? To me, this ends, this will end sort of like the ends of gangs of New York or the end of Dark Night Rises, where why wouldn't the poor people of downtown be ransacking the Upper East Side and the Upper West Side and taking back what is, you know, rightful? theirs. Do you see that it will, or would you predict that it would end in that type of

violence? That would be irresponsible to predict that. With the diminished police presence, possible. But I wouldn't predict it. Social order is something that most people want. Even poor people want it. They don't want to have to go out and fear for their lives and their children can't even go to school. So if I had a bet, I'd say that would not happen. What will happen is a terrible rise in individual crime and a depravity, public depravity, homeless, drug addicts running all over the place, you name it. That will rise to record levels, so quality of life will just fall apart. Well, I put Putin on the cover of confronting evil because he's a present-day threat to everybody.

So you might remember on 9-11, I was with President Trump at Yankee Stadium. Did you see the pictures that at Abrams? I forgot that. Now that you pointed out, I remember it. Okay. And the reason I, one of the reasons I was there, and I got the call very late on September 10th, who came out. September 9th to meet the president in the Steinbrenner's box at Yankee Stadium, he wanted to talk about a few things. That happens, I don't know, three, four times a year.

And so I knew it was important. It wasn't just a baseball game or an honorary thing on 9-11 for the victim's families. And so we did talk about Putin. And I said, listen, Mr. President, this is a different guy than when you were the first, when you were president the first time. You're dealing with a whole different guy now. He's a psychopath now. And that's what always happens to evil people.

They get worse. There's no rehab for evil. And once an evil person gets power, goes on and on, it gets worse and worse and worse. So I gave him the book. And I said, I know you're busy and you know, but just read the Putin chapter because it's vital that you know

where he is in the world right now. And then for 24 hours later, I get a text from him and said, wow. And we back everything up in my books, which is why we are those popular nonfiction book writers in the world. So it's not like a debate. This is Putin. This is what he does. This is why he does it.

So the question is, can you deal with Putin? That's what you were asking in your monologue. And yet the answer is you can deal with him, but you have to be ultra careful. And so Trump has two tracks. All right. The first track is to get Zelensky in the real world. So Zelensky has one choice. You can continue the war and see your people slaughtered forever.

Russia is not going to have enough to break through to Kiev and take the country over, but Putin will just keep blowing kids up because Putin likes to do that. He enjoys it. That's why he's in confronting evil. Or you can seed some territory, Trump just called it, property, that Putin's soldiers are standing in right now. Because Putin's not going to be humiliated in front of his own people. and withdraw those soldiers. Now, can he make a deal under those circumstances? It's possible. But he's got to bring pain to Putin. And the pain that he'll bring is China. He'll link in the China deal, trade deal, which is the most important thing on earth right now,

to China back and away from Putin. And if the Chinese agree to that, and they should, when I was in Beijing and May, that was one of the big topics that I talked to the Politburo about. You got to get out of the Putin business. And OPEC will sell you all the oil you want, and so will Trump. You don't need to be supporting Putin, killing women and children. That's not a good place for Beijing to be.

I told them flat out. Now, what they do is what they do. But there is a chance that if Trump can break through with China, and China disengages from Russia, that deal will happen. But it doesn't seem like, again, And who knows if this is a longer chess game, right? I mean, it does seem like our relationship with China has gotten worse, not better. Well, I mean, it's a day-to-day thing.

So what people have to understand watching this program is that these guys all bluster. Word of the day. Bluster. They just bluster. You wouldn't know anything about that. Well, you know, I made a nice living blustering. And they've attained power blustering. There's never been a bigger blusterer than Donald Trump, two-term president.

So bluster can work, but it can't work for justice. You know, blestering justice, you can't. So when it comes down to it, Trump's going to offer Xi a deal, and it'll offer Putin a deal. And I think it's possible that both may, may, all right, accede to Trump. Trump's vision. But it sounds to me like even you view that it's still unlikely. No, I give it a 50-50 for Putin and a 70-30 for Xi. China needs America. They can't survive without our buying their stuff. It's an export economy. They have to feed $1.5 billion. And here's a shocker. The Chinese people don't have a 401k. They don't have the gold card, Abrams. They got to

eat and they got to eat based upon what they earn every week americans are whining about i don't have any money and there's ways to refinance your mortgage here not in china you got a hundred you got one point five billion people you got to feed them the only way you feed him is do business with the usa well i think i think it's a good i think it's a good thing you sent him your book uh confronting evil assessing the worst. I handed it to him. And I'm glad that it sounds like he read the Putin chapter because I think that is critical that he is reminded of that, even as a negotiation, right? I mean, understanding the guy is critical for an effective negotiation. I'm talking to Bill O'Reilly, of course, a host of No Spin News. And one of the things about Bill O'Reilly, you may agree,

you may disagree, but you're not going to get talking points from Bill O'Reilly, which is one of the reasons that it's always an interesting interview. All right, let's talk about the government shutdown. Every single poll that has come out indicates that more Americans blame Trump and the Republicans, depending how much the Republicans in Congress get, how much Trump gets, versus Democrats, meaning if you lump together, Trump and congressional Republicans, every single poll is blaming them together more. How does that impact what happens now, if it all? Does it? This is all a show of force by the Democratic Party, which had to make a line in the sand because Trump was getting too powerful. He was getting too successful. So the Democrats had

to find a way to blunt that power and success. So they seized upon, will shut the government, down and we believe that the media which favors us will spin it that we're innocent and Trump's guilty and that's what's happened so if you are but again bill you're one of the people who said that the impact of the mainstream media has so significantly decreased over time right the idea that oh the media is the ones that are sort of giving this to the Democrat they can't do that anymore. You're the one who keeps telling us that. They can do it, but they can't do it by themselves. They need social media. So social media drives all that, not the New York Times or the LA Times or ABC News. They can't muster anything. But this collective thought, we call it

group think, finds its way into social media. And then the people, more and more and more are consuming information from that. And so that's what they're getting because it's like a tsunami of its Trump. What about the right wing? Come on, there's far more right at this point. There are far more right wing media influencers than left wing when it comes to social media. In terms of social media success, digital media, YouTube and beyond Facebook, the right wing creators are having much more. success than the left not on a mass level if you look at the sites because they list them

yeah get the most views most of them are establishment sites the new york times the washington post that right but i was talking social media i but but no no but they're getting the views on social media because they all have now their apparatus where you can go so you go to cnn there you go to There you go to Fox News is probably the most successful on the right. But Fox News doesn't even do that stuff anymore. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. Sign up and start watching today.