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Clay Travis here with the Clay and Buck Show, Bill O'Reilly, who we affectionately call Uncle Bill is someone we've admired for a long time. It's true. Buck sexted here. We love getting Uncle Bill's take on analysis of the biggest stories and news and politics. In fact, we have a couple steak bets going with him right now. I hope we win those. And in the meantime, he wants us to be able to talk to all of you. We've jumped into his podcast feed. We have a hunch. If you like Bill, you'll probably enjoy us too. Here's a segment from the Clay and Buck Show. which airs Monday through Friday, noon to 3 p.m. Eastern. You can also find us on the IHeart app or wherever you get your podcast. Have a listen. She'll tie. Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Suckston Show podcast. Over the weekend, there was on the positive side an incredible raid from Israeli special forces to free four completely innocent hostages who had been held for eight months.

They were being held by normal, in quotation marks, residents of Gaza. That is, they were not in some sort of military establishment. For all the people out there that have been upset about the consequences and the toll of Israel's attempt to make Hamas unable to ever do another October 7th, that is, in a large degree, because Hamas embeds much of its men, material, and even hostages in civil. housing, but it was a daring raid for Israelis freed in the process. It brought home, at least to me, and I know we've talked about this on the show much more than most media have, the fact that there are still five American hostages being held. But after eight months, there are still some hundred some odd, completely innocent Israeli captives that may or may not

be alive that are still being held in Hamas. We bring all that forward. Because in the United States, we have been deluged with pro-Palestine anti-Israel protests. And that came effectively to the doorstep of the White House over the weekend when thousands and thousands of anti-Israel pro-Palestinian protesters showed up, chanted anti-Israel debt-to-Israel chance in the viewpoint of the White House, defaced many of the monuments there, including Andrews, Jackson, the Marquita Lafayette. And on video, again, during the daylight hours, this graffitiing was going on, a lone park police

a National Park Service employee tried to stand in front of one of these statues. He was screamed at derided, worse than that, had objects thrown at him as he was standing there attempting to do his job. Not one single person has been prosecuted so far for any of these violations of the law. In the White House, Joe Biden says no one is above the law except for all of those people clearly violating the law in view of the White House itself in broad daylight. Buck, if you combine this with Biden himself saying he had to run for president because of he was so troubled. by what he saw in Charlottesville and the anti-Jewish chance that

were going there on there. There are now thousands of anti-Jewish protests that have taken place during his tenure, including one effectively in the front yard of the White House. Shouldn't he be getting called out on abject failure

in this realm too? And what does it say when we clearly have two tiers of justice where if you want to, if you're in some way seen as beneficial to Democrats, you can do whatever you want, and there is no punishment. If you are opposing Democrats, you better not jaywalk or they're going to try to put you in prison, potentially for the rest of your life. That's the system that they want.

Yeah. And this is why whenever a Republican say, hold on a second, yes, we're going to point it out, but pointing it out doesn't shame them. Very obviously, the Democrats believe that violating the law to show how outraged you are about Palestine. is something that is completely acceptable and even commendable. And anything that Republicans do or a prominent Republican does, including writing down business records in a way that they disapprove of that don't actually go to anyone,

that's a very, that's a very serious crime. So this is happening all over the place. You see this particularly with what counts as activism on the left. I mean, there's always, I mean, this goes all the way back to, well, for as long as this is, you can take it back to the 1968 riots, but the left has been engaged in some of it is, is quote, peaceful protest, and then there are the direct action elements. They're the lunatics among them, but they're all fighting for the same cause. And in fact,

they're all one symbiotic organism, right? The activists who shatter the windows, who steal, who, or I should say, you know, marauders, looters who do those things, add teeth, add force to the ideological blob of rage and, leftist platitudes that you see out there on the streets, whether it's BLM, Palestine, whatever. And so, yeah, should Biden be called out about this? Yeah, I mean, they won't, and we know why. I do think it's interesting that you can assault a police officer if it or, you know, a federal employee, a federal park ranger, and it's no big deal as long as you're upset about something

that's happened 6,000 miles away that has nothing to do with really anybody, I mean, talking about the raid like we did u.s. government didn't do the raid we're not right and by the way high five on the raid it's fantastic all right if you're around hostages you're a legitimate military you know if you're holding hostages you're a legitimate military target and the israeli special forces acquitted themselves uh in a way that's the stuff of legends like the intebby raid from decades ago where nettingahu actually lost his brother very few people know this netanyahu is special forces in israel nettingahu's brother was a part of the intebby raid and i believe died in that raid. So there's a long history of the Israelis doing these sorts of rescue emissions that, yes,

they have to take life. Anyway, on the Biden stuff going on at the statues, just think about this for a second. Who defaces a statue of Lafayette? Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah. Put that out there for a second. Lafayette was like, uh, bonsoir, Americans, I am here to help you fight the bad British and, you know, helped us out. Uh, on He fought for freedom for freedom on multiple continents, actually. I mean, he's one of the least objectionable, I would think, people that could be on a statue. He's not even an American. But also, also there's something so deeply petulant about writing graffiti on a statue like that.

You're just, it's just bile. You're just releasing your own emotional instability and childish tantrum and rage. And this is very much a part of the way that the Democrats. the activist Democrats or the Democrat left, the hard left operates all the time. I think it's interesting the all the places where the rule of law is being bent politically. You know, there's, we'll talk more about the border situation, Clay, wide open. Still, you know, you don't hear about it a lot, still just people piling over the border, the Biden, just like Governor Abbott told us last week, the Biden executive order or whatever,

did nothing. It's not going to do anything. It's not stopping it. Those people are coming into the country. paying taxes to pay for their food, shelter, education, clothing. If you don't pay the taxes, you go to prison and are separated from your family because the law is the law. But they get to come into the country and violate our laws with impunity.

Why? Because the Democrats say so. Because the Democrats don't believe the law is the law. And this ties in. We'll see whether there's any connection at all to Hunter Biden, whether there's going to be any conviction there. But I just, an honest in any way media would find it virtually impossible to not hold Biden accountable for what's going on in the front of the White House after what happened in Charlottesville. And I do think it's important to continue to hammer this home because we have a lot of media members out there who listen to this show and sometimes we get questions.

Imagine if pro-Trump protesters were outside. in front of the White House, defacing monuments, and also if they were chanting anti-Jewish slogans. Biden would have arrested them all. There would be a congressional hearings instantly, but this is all tied into the politics. He's trying to win Michigan. And did you see Kamala Harris actually at a major fundraiser said we weep for the loss of lives in the Israeli raid that the hostages. Yeah, of course. I mean, it's just so nasty.

And it really is the electoral calculus is. If they lose Michigan, they can't be president. And so they've abandoned all moral justice in an effort to desperately win the state of Michigan. Well, this is why the leftist tantrum here, for a while, a lot of us, and I'll put myself this category, but like, it's not going to change meaningfully U.S. foreign policy toward Israel. So it's really just a waste of time. Actually, because of the election and the Democrats needs, the tantrum is getting a whole lot more attention and honestly, I think, concessions from the Biden White House than we have really ever seen before, at least that I can think of,

on this particular issue. And one of the additional areas of complexity for how the media covers this is that there are people who are Democrats at major news organizations, including some prominent executives who are very pro-Israel. Yes. But they're terrified of some of the not just sort of, you know, openly or not some of the people you would assume, you know, if somebody has like Palestinian parentage or heritage, you know, all of a sudden you're in the media and there's this really sense of tribal allegiance that people are taking.

Like, well, I'm Muslim or I'm Palestinian, therefore I have to, you know, condemn Israel on this stuff. there's also the whole left-wing race component of this as well where it's as we've discussed Israel's white, Palestinians are brown therefore all of the usual voices on TV

who see everything through the lens of race will also come after you if you're pro-Israel on this so within the left in the media organizations I think they're running scared because they don't they can't say what they want to say even if they're Democrats

who are pro-Israel because they know that the anti-Israel leftists will come for them. Yeah, and remember this also got solidified in a crazy way. The NAACP came out saying there must be a ceasefire in Israel. The biggest allies of the civil rights movement who were white Jewish people overwhelmingly supported black civil rights at a time when not that many other white people were doing so. what is the NAACP's connection to Palestine other than this is just racial politics? Why is the NACP care about what's going on in Israel such that they need to be demanding an action?

It's just blatant identity politics based on race skin color. I mean, show me the prominent black leftist in the media ecosystem who is pro-Israeli. Is there one? I don't think so. doesn't exist. I don't think it exists. I rather, I don't think that individual is out there. I haven't seen this individual. Why is that? Isn't that quite strange? Well, the reason is exactly what we've articulated all along, which is that the left use this as a racial prism first and foremost, even though that's actually a gross oversimplification of the state of Israel and the

situation of the Palestinian territories, the ethnicities therein, the religions there are I mean, there are a million Palestinians in Israel. Like, no one never really even talks about that. And they're not living under threat of, oh, my gosh, you know. In fact, they have better human rights than anywhere else in the Middle East, because Israel is the only place in the Middle East where everybody is free to support any issue that they want, including all these crazy loser, lunatic pride people who are still supporting Hamas and would be immediately thrown off buildings if they actually were in Hamas.

I mean, these may be the dumbest people on the planet, the gay people. protesting in favor of Hamas, in favor of Palestine. Sanity in an insane world. The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This is the area in the polls where I think Biden has the greatest weakness, the biggest differential in terms of a top issue. Who would you support Trump or Biden? Immigration is the Achilles heel on policy, at least, of this Biden administration.

Some of you might just argue time and age are Biden's Achilles' heel. But the bigger challenge here, I think, for Democrats across the board because this affects also the perception of Democrats that are running in congressional races. Immigration is a disaster under Biden, far worse by the numbers than it was under Obama in his first four years. Not even close, actually. Obama was just beginning to break the damn. Biden has completely, completed that work. This, though, I thought, was particularly interesting. Well, for one thing, you have, who is it that does the great work for Fox News, Clay, who's always down at the border?

Bill Malugian. I think it was Bill Malugian who shared out immigrants outside of San Diego, illegals crossing from, this was on Twitter. I still have to call it. I know we're supposed to call it X, but it's Twitter to me. India, the illegals coming from India, Yemen. all over Asia, Mexico, and beyond. So

like I've been saying, it's 160 countries that illegals have. Basically, illegals are coming from everywhere except Western Europe pretty much. That's one way that you could say. I mean, some maybe a few very small, like wealthy

emirate kind of places in the Middle East, Western Europe, I mean, they're not coming from Japan. I mean, there are a few wealthy countries they're not coming from, but they're coming from everywhere else and they're going to continue to pile into the country. That's not going to change. I thought this was really interesting, Clay. CBS faced the nation, which is still supposed to be what people who don't actually want to learn or know anything about politics but want

to pretend they're informed, apparently they tune in to watch the show, and not of the numbers they used to. The CBS host had this poll. She seemed distressed by this, that 62 percent of respondents want illegals deported. This is cut five. Play it. Sixty-two percent of Americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants. So Homeland Security says that President Biden has already deported or repatriated more people in the past year than any year since 2010. And then depending on the details of what's talked about on the campaign trail, some of what Mr. Trump talks about could be illegal. It doesn't seem practical in some sense. to round up children, and then we know that the courts have questioned whether local authorities

would have the ability to do it, and federal authorities don't have the resources. So what exactly do people think they're supporting? We are in a different era in which a lot of folks say the system as a whole is not working. No, no, no, no. We're not going to play that game again. The system is broken. No, people are breaking the law. This would be like saying, hey, Walmart and San Francisco is going out of business. Our private property system is not working, Clay. No, people are stealing from it. We need to stop them from stealing from it, actually. It's not that the private property system isn't working. It's that people are violating and breaking the laws of that system. That's what's happening with our immigration laws. I also think it's interesting. This is the only time I've

ever heard somebody who's a Democrat, clearly, Margaret Brennan Democrat. This is the only time I've heard them say the federal government doesn't have the resources too. Oh, okay. The federal government, according to Democrats, has the resources to take care of everyone's health care, to pay for, you know, aid all over the world, to pay for the Ukrainian war against war. We have money for everything except enforcing our borders and deporting people who come here. That's quite quaint. This is going to be, if Trump wins Clay, I'll just put this out there, the single biggest, this will be the Donnybrook, if you will, of the Trump administration. Does he keep this promise?

I'm going to tell you right now, if he doesn't keep the promise on deportations, you're going to get a moderate Trump presidency and lots of photos of Kim Kardashian in the Oval Office. I'm just telling you. Well, I think the problem is going to be, he's only got four years, and they know it. That's why they let 10 million people in, because they're going to bog him down in the courts. The minute he starts trying to enforce his relocation, his huge amount of deportations that would have to occur, they're going to sue

and they're going to try and bog him down and keep him from doing it. That's the reality. And that's why it's not a four-year solution. And I think a lot of people out there need to understand this. Trump is great.

I hope Trump wins in 2024. Democrats are thinking decades. They're thinking long into the future when they're letting these 10 million people in. Because you know what's going to happen? A lot of them are going to get married and they're going to have kids. And then their kids

are citizens and the opportunity to remove all of these illegal immigrants is going to get more challenging the longer they stay in the country and they know it and to your point think about where we are if you go to new york city right now it's difficult to get a hotel room because they have given with your tax dollars so many migrants the opportunity to stay in three and four star hotels that it's hard to find a hotel to stay in in New York City right now during the summer. 20% of hotels are for illegals. 20%.

Think about how crazy it is. Think about how much that. Imagine if where you are in your town or your city, the housing market got 20% tighter. Guess what? Home prices would go up a lot. Oh, and there's also the reality of how many illegals are actually taking jobs in this country

and how many illegals are getting houses in this country, renting houses particularly. You don't hear a lot about that, but that's another factor that's making costs. of living more expensive for those who are already here. But, Clay, I wouldn't let it off so quickly with the you know, it's the court.

You're absolutely right. The courts are going to try to stop him. You'll have Ninth Circuit judges who do universal injunctions. Trump just needs to say no. He just needs to say, you don't, you know, you don't have the authority for a university. You can't actually this is executive authority. And then the Supreme Court has to step in. And you don't have to get

all the illegals out. But if you show everybody that you can get a million out in the first year, You know what changes? All the people coming. And then if you show people you can get a million out the second year, you know what changes? All the people coming. I mean, otherwise, why is Trump promising to do this?

Well, I think it's the right choice. And it is the right decision. And Stephen Miller's going to work, I bet, 20 hours a day if he gets the opportunity to do this. And it is 100% the right choice. I just want people to understand this doesn't get solved in four years. The Democrats are trying to plan so that in 2045, when they allow all these people to suddenly become citizens and vote, that your vote is diluted in many of these places.

Fortunately, we'll all be dead from climate change then, so I'm not worried about it. I would also add this, because we're history nerds. Has any country ever been more welcoming of people breaking its law than the United States is right now? Is there any precedent historically for 10 million illegal people coming into this country and being put in three and four star hotels

that's paid for with your tax dollars and my tax dollars? Has this ever happened? Now, it also is not unique to the United States. We should mention this. Many different European countries, they just had their votes. Many different European countries, including France, Italy, Spain,

have moved very far to the right because just as here we are saying, hey, this is fundamentally changing the way that this country is organized. Just as we are dealing with this, many people in Europe are raising the same issues because they have much smaller populations. They're much less wealthy countries. One of your stats that I love you gave on the show was England would be a poorer state than Mississippi. Per capita, it would be the 51st wealthiest state in the United States. Hat-tip David Harsanii for his book Euro Trash for that state, for that stat, which is pretty remarkable because I think a lot of people think of England as a very wealthy country.

Fancy and posh, no, actually poorer than Mississippi. And we love Mississippi. You're not throwing shade of Mississippi, but you don't think of Mississippi is fancy and posh and rich, richer than the rich. Correct. But so their standard of living is lower than ours, on average, and their quality of life is being impacted in a major way by illegal immigration there, and it's a pen prick of the numbers that we're getting here.

Clay, when I was in the government, I had meetings with the security services in Sweden back in, I don't know, the like 2008 time frame. And when I saw the numbers of how many particularly Iraqi, but many Middle Eastern refugees they were bringing in, I just remember sitting there looking at these guys like, you're changing your country. You understand that, right?

Like, you can't take a million, when you only have 10 or 15 million people and you take in a million, million people from another country at once, where, you know, a few countries, Syria, Iraq, there are a handful of them. You are dramatically changing the polity, like the political union, the political entity that you live in. They are finding this out now the hard way. Oh, you know, we'll just like everyone will learn the language and we'll all get along and no, that's actually not what happens, especially when you take in so much. Assimulation requires, assimilation is based

in the requirement that the new arrivals figure out how to be productive and work within the existing system and adapt to the existing system. If you bring in millions, if you bring in millions at once, here's a stat for everybody. They won't tell you this in other places. I think the Irish from, you know, my great grandparents on one side were Irish immigrants to Brooklyn, right? Straight up potato famine. No more potatoes.

They had problems. I think from 1840 to 1920, there were four million Irish immigrants that came to America. In almost a century. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 80 years, 4 million Irish. Now, I know the population, you know, was lesser then, but still, it's 80 years, 4 million.

We've taken 10 million from all over the world who don't speak English in four years. This is unprecedented. The people who say, look at the poem on the Statue of Liberty are morons. They are lying to you. This has never been done before. A third of the people who came here during those big ways. of migration, you know, when America was a shining, a shining city on a hill, went back home because there was no welfare, because there was no system to just pay for all their stuff.

Read about the tenements. It was a hard life. Go see what it was like for Italians and Jews and Irish in the Tenement Museum on the Lower East Side. They were burying family members, including their children like stacks of wood during typhoid outbreaks, and nobody cared. They were living eight to a room. Nobody cared. They were drinking filthy water. There was no four-star hotel and free meals paid for by the taxpayer, culturally appropriate meals for wherever you are from all over the world. What's happening now is nothing like the immigration that this country dealt with before. First of all, because that was legal, we were saying, come, we will bring you in, come through our ports of entry. So that's the

huge difference. But just also the scope and scale of it and the realities of the immigrants once they were here is entirely different. And this is why you have all these libs. I mean, they're the worst people in America, whether they're, you know, hosting, you know, CBS morning show or whatever that thing was. You know, Clay, they send their kids to schools that are 95% upper middle class white kids.

They go to the Hamptons or Nantucket on the weekends. They live in entirely white enclaves of different cities or, you know, coastal areas. And the only interaction they have with the illegals is to, pay people off the books often to do menial labor or work for them and the people who are actually trying to make a living as welders as truck drivers as you know nurses as they have to in the they have to deal with this influx of all these illegals into their schools into their communities into their emergency rooms and the people that watch you know the cbs morning

show they they turn their nose about them how right how racist of you to not want hordes millions and millions of people to break our laws and come here illegally. That's why I thought the Martha's Vineyard flight was absolutely perfect. Amazing. When DeSantis sent whatever it was 51 people to Martha's Vineyard

and they declared an emergency and deported all those people almost immediately out of Martha's Vineyard. That's all it took. And I mean, we talked to Greg Abbott about this last week. We could have just, I remember, they were like, no, no, we're so excited they're here. Make sure they get on the military transport

and get out of here. They declared a national emergency, and then people were walking around Martha's Vineyard because they have all those, you know, those little window signs where it says, we welcome all people of all, you know, it's like except actual legal immigrants on our island. They've got to go and they've got to go immediately. What did they say? We don't have anywhere to keep them. Oh, that's interesting. The super richest, whitest place on the planet just about gets, at least. Immigrants, which everybody's supportive of, 50 of them, and the entire island falls apart

because it's impossible to actually be able to house and take care of them there. I will say, there are some, there are some Democrats who are like, they're the true left-wing vanguard, and they want to push massive rezoning of the suburbs so that you can no longer have these rich suburban areas of cities where all the nice schools are and everything else. They're going to work to make sure that there's a lot of low-income housing built there. And the whole point is to specify that federal dollars have to go toward the building of low-income housing, section 8 housing, housing where illegal immigrants, for example, are going to congregate in, not just generally in suburbs, in wealthy suburbs, because that's where the great schools are and the great services. and it bubbles up from time to time and the Democrats just try to just try to

smother it with a pillow as fast as they can because if you look at someone like Margaret Brennan on the CBS show whatever she lives her entire life surrounded by rich people go to the same kinds of schools and everything else and then when somebody who's you know when a young man who's black or Hispanic

who's an American is saying you know I can't make the kind of wages I need to the job market's not going to marry She says, well, don't blame the illegals. That would be racist. Oh, I always remember this. Georgetown still doesn't have a metro stop. They always say it's because of like the earth can't handle it or something,

but I think the neighborhood they think can't handle it. That's what they didn't want. Yeah, the earth can't handle it. There's no way to get a subway ride. You know what I mean? They're like the land. There's some problem with, yeah. I get it.

I mean, I've made that walk a lot from GW up to Georgetown where it's the only place you can't ride the subway in and all of D.C. they couldn't have put it above ground. Oh, it's really interesting how the richest people managed to avoid the subway coming out to him. The Voices of sanity in an insane world. Clay Travis at Buck Sexton. I am joined now by Mary Margaret Ollahan, who just had her book release party in Washington, D.C. The book is detrans, true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult.

My friend Riley Gaines, who works with me at Outkick, is on the cover giving you a blurb. She says you are awesome, so that is a good endorsement so far as I'm concerned. Okay, we're going to get to the book in a moment. I encourage you to all go read it. But I want to start with, we're talking off air. You are one of 11 children. Yes. Is it the second oldest?

Second oldest daughter, so I like to think of myself as the boss. All right. So I think the ages are 30 to 11. Yes. Same mom and dad. Same mom and dad. Buck is one of four, and he's like in New York City. that's considered crazy. What was it like to grow up as one of 11 children? Oh my gosh. It was so much

fun. It was just always, you know, we're always having a party. Just cleaning the kitchen after dinner, which we all did, by the way. I think people think it's probably really hard to have 11 kids, but the kids do the chores. So I don't think it's that bad. That's what they did on the Fars. And you're homeschooled, too. Yeah. Yeah. We were homeschooled. So, and I'm so grateful to my mom for homeschooling us. She taught me how to read when I was really little. So now extra kudos to her that I wrote a book because I think that I would attribute that in large part to my homeschool education. But it was so much fun. Christmas was so much fun.

Always a party. We would literally, you know, turn on dance music when we were cleaning the kitchen and all the little kids are like, you know, it's like having all these cousins around all the time. I think was what most people would compare it to. It's a blast. Well, that all sounds like a lot of fun. And you want to have like 10 kids yourself now, too. I do. I would love to.

Yeah. But I don't know how to make this transition into your book from there, from all the happiness and joy of a large and loving family into some of this. So I'm just going to steer off the highway here and take us into this. So the book, Detrans, true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult. I've got my copy here holding up for our VIPs so they can see. So in this, you're not, you know, it's not that you're in the role of, you know, expert. because this is what they always try to undermine anyone who talks with this.

You know, are you an expert? You've even seen this, I'm sure Mary Margaret will say, I can't tell if that's a boy or a girl. I'm not a biologist. This kind of became a meme for a while. But you're reporting on the stories of people who went through this themselves. In that reporting, what did you find that everyone needs to know about? Yeah, so these are the real reported stories of detransitioners, which are people, and in this book, young people who tried to do what we would say is unthinkable to change their gender. So for many of

these people, and let's just say the girls, they're teenagers, they're going on social media and they're seeing all these representations of masculinity and femininity that are really confusing them because we know our culture is struggling so much with that nowadays anyways. It's toxic masculinity or toxic femininity. There's no happy, normal, healthy in between. And so a lot of these girls told me that they're on social media. They're seeing all these beautiful women online and thinking, I don't look anything like that, you know, this perfectly sculpted, sexy women who get all kinds of male affirmation. And these are 12 and 13 year old girls who think, I don't look anything like that. And then some of these girls told me they were then, you know, they're being

exposed to pornography online. And they're thinking, okay, this is really humiliated and degrading for a lot of women. I'm scared of that. And then they're being told by gender activists, oh, you feel like you you don't like these things. You don't like how womanhood is betrayed. It's because you're not a girl. It's because you're a guy. And that's a weird fact pattern that I found with a lot of these girls. And I was surprised by, because I think a lot of the time we hear, you know, oh, they were exposed to a lot of gender content online. That's not the whole picture. It's, it's a whole confusing cocktail of social media that a lot of these girls are being subjected to. And so, you know, from that point on, what happens is these girls say, okay, I think I'm a guy.

They start talking to therapists. You know, their parents might take them to a therapist. and the therapist will tell these girls and their parents, oh, yeah, you are a boy, first of all. And to the parents, if you don't affirm your transgender identity, she's going to hurt herself or kill herself. And the exact line that they give them is, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son? And actually, I've said that so many times now,

but every time I say it, it gives me chills. Because it's a threat to the parents saying, if you do not comply with our ideology, your kid will kill themselves and it'll be your fault. And so these parents love their kids. They want to do what's best for them. They don't really know better. You know, maybe they're not super politically in tune.

They're not equipped with their resources. So they think, okay, well, the therapists and doctors are telling me this is best for my kid. I'm going to do it. And unfortunately, a lot of these parents should have gone with their gut because in a lot of these cases, the parents' initial reaction was right. Their kids should not have done this. And unfortunately, what they'll do is they'll get the kids started on, let's say, puberty blockers, if they're really young. That just stops your puberty. It's very, it makes a lot of sense. You know, it's a puberty blocker. But what we don't realize is we don't actually know the

full effects of what these puberty blockers are doing to these kids. And I'm not just saying that the so-called experts, like the W-Path doctors who just got exposed for knowing that these things were experimental and hiding it. It came out recently that they were, they knew that puberty blockers and testosterone were causing tumors and girls, they knew that puberty blockers and testosterone were making girls infertile, and they just kind of didn't say anything because it doesn't fit the narrative. And so all of these things are experimental, but they're putting kids on them, and then after the puberty blockers, they'll put them on testosterone, if they're a girl or estrogen, if they're a guy. And oh my gosh, I could talk all day about

the effects of these things. You know, we think about surgeries because they're really gruesome and horrible, but the hormones, they change your muscles, they change your bone structure, they change where your fat distributes on your body you lose hair you gain hair you know the emotional effects were freaky to me some of these girls told me first of all they lost the ability to cry so they would feel this like intense emotional urge to cry and then just nothing would happen so they couldn't even find the relief that comes with crying and for some of them they lost the ability to scream which as a woman I don't know if men experience this as a woman I feel like a very common dream is you're running away from someone you're trying to scream and you can't well that's their reality now

that's their life so many other physical and emotional side effects and then once they've been on the testosterone for a while which also causes rage attacks really scary for the girls where they just you know they feel this really intense rage that they have to externalize one girl told me she was covered in bruises because she was just like punched things all the time trying to externalize this rage so after they've been on that for a while the doctors will tell them oh you don't feel better it's because you need to get your next step the surgery and that what that is a double mastectomy. And a lot of girls will do this. A bunch of the girls in my

book did this. They removed their breasts forever. And what's so sad about this and crazy about this is they're so naive in some of these cases that some of these girls think their breasts will grow back. Like they're so lacking in informed consent that they don't have any understanding of basic human

biology and think, oh, maybe they'll grow back eventually. We're talking about the book D-Trans, the true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult. Mary Margaret O'Lahan is the author. When you see, for instance, State of Florida, this is a big story right now. State of Florida says that a judge in the state of Florida says that the state shouldn't be able to say,

hey, teenagers shouldn't have these kinds of surgeries and that they should be permitted. Almost no one is telling the story of kids who are teenagers and decide to transition and then think, hey, I was just a teenager. I made a bad choice. I want to go back. Why is that and what do these people tell you that you think it's important for other people out there with teenagers to know? Yeah, the reason they're not telling us these stories is because they don't fit the narrative. Every major institution in our country right now is pushing the gender ideology narrative. If you look at how mainstream media talks about this and even how they're talking about the Florida decision right now, they'll say that a Florida judge blocked the anti-tebrose.

trans law or you know this law banning medical care for trans youth that is propaganda language that's euphemistic language what we're talking about here is transgender surgeries hormones and puberty blockers but you will never see that spelled out in a headline from one of these outlets because they've been told by GLAD by the HRC by the ACLU don't use that language because it's offensive to trans people why is it offensive to trans people because it's too articulate you're giving people information that's going to make them vote a certain way because most Americans don't support this stuff. So I personally absolutely have a B in my bonnet for the way the mainstream

media covers this issue. And I think that they're doing themselves a huge disservice by not just being plain with us about the realities of this situation. These stories that I'm telling in my book deserve to be heard. These are young people who suffered excruciating pain mentally and physically. They needed help. They were not given it. And instead, they were poor. down this path and now that they're speaking out and saying I deeply regret this no one cares these doctors that push them down this path the activists that pushed them down this path the media figures who tout trans kids or trans youth they don't care it doesn't fit the narrative and so the young people I talked to

for this book told me we exist we want people to hear our stories we don't want them to just pity us we want them to look at our stories and say okay we shouldn't be fast-tracking kids down these gender transitions and we should be allowing for multiple perspectives on this, because if you are like this judge in Florida and you're going to say, oh, this law is coming from a anti-trans perspective, maybe you need to pay a little more attention to the picture at large. This is a very serious issue. It's not anti-trans to care about kids, and we should be paying more attention to it.

What are the, I mean, when you look into this, Mary Morgan, again, the book is D-Trans, true stories of escaping the gender ideology cult medical professionals there must be some who recognize how damaging this is and in the cost to children are they are there more of them who are willing to speak out are they afraid they're going to go after their licenses and we saw a lot of that during COVID for example where where are the where's the medical community on this right now so I would say that in general we're seeing a lot of cowardice on this front so many of these doctors and medical professionals have just remained silent. And you know what? I get it to a certain extent because they do have their jobs to keep in mind. Yes, you will be canceled for

speaking out on this. But there is hope in this area just this week. I believe it was actually last week I reported exclusively at the Daily Signal on this declaration that all of these doctors and nurses put out saying we are so far behind Europe on this. Europe is taking steps to protect kids, United States medical groups need to get it together and pay attention to the fact that these procedures are harming children. And incredibly, this is a declaration that this group of doctors and nurses put together. Elon Musk was promoting it on Twitter. And the last time I looked, I think it has something like 59 million views, which is insane. So that was exciting to me. And then also, there's this doctor in Texas. His name is Dr. Eton Heim. And he is a whistleblower from a Texas

hospital and this story is not gotten enough attention this is crazy he's a whistleblower from a texas hospitals who started speaking out and saying this hospital is transing children um and this is my experience knowing about it and the doj is now coming after him um he's facing prison time for speaking out about this hospital uh so uh etanheim is his name i think that when we look back on this era uh you know hopefully when we look back on this era uh he will be one of the figures that stands out as one of the people who put his body on the line and said, no, I'm not going to stay silent here and he's being persecuted for it. But we do have some figures that are standing up for kids in this area. And I feel like it probably sound dramatic saying we're standing up for kids

in this area. But that's really what Dr. Eton Haim and others are doing when they're saying, I'm not going to remain quiet. We are performing experimental and dangerous procedures on kids and then calling it care, even the White House is calling it care. The White House put out messaging saying that so-called gender-affirming care is crucial. They literally use that word for the health of trans youth. And I like to be a little bit annoying about this. What they're saying there is transgender surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers are crucial for the health of trans youth. Well, first of all, we know that's not true.

That's a, it's a lie. We're finding more and more recently that these types of things actually are detrimental. to the mental health of kids who would have thought but you know that's coming from the white house it's coming from hollywood it's coming from corporations it's coming from our media and so i'm i'm thankful to doctors like dr etanheim and to these doctors uh i believe it's an american academy of uh pediatric something i'm messing atricians they just said this is wrong right that under 18s you shouldn't be getting this exactly and you know what that's amazing that they said that but also it seems very obvious right

But they had this declaration. I encourage everyone to read the whole thing. Super interesting. They lay out all the statistics. They lay out why we're behind Europe on this, why Europe has been taking steps to curtail this in European countries and to protect kids and how the United States is honestly backwards when it comes to protecting our kids like this.

The book, D-Trans, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult. We encourage you to go check it out. Make sure that you read it, share it, and understand it particularly if you have teenage kids and their friends that you might be dealing with some of these issues. Mary Margaret Olahan, one of 11. Are you the only author of the 11 so far? Oh, so far, but you never know. Your mom and dad's favorite then. Thank you for hanging out with us.