Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Iran Latest: Peace Talks Underway, Mick Mulvaney on Donald Trump’s Leadership Then vs. Now & Making a Deal With Evil
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2006, stand up for your country.
We can report with certainty
that the Trump administration would like to make a deal
with Iran.
When I say the words, with certainty,
you can take that to the bank.
Now, it's a very practical story.
So the United States has degraded Iran
as an aggressive military threat.
It's not 100% complete, but it's very, very serious.
And that country is going to take years to rebuild its arsenal.
The only outstanding situation is the uranium, which has got to be the headline of any deal.
Okay?
And the Trump administration understands now that the Persian people aren't going to
rise up right away at least and overthrow the regime. So that's not going to happen unless
U.S. ground forces would go into Iran and the American people will not support that as everybody
knows. So you've got to be realistic in these things. And we are going to provide some clarity
in the Talking Points memo. So the president of Pakistan, Shabash Sharif, as
offered to hold peace talks in Islamabad between the United States, and I would assume Israel
would be in on those talks to some extent, all right, but not a major player, and the government
of Iran. The Guardian, that's a newspaper that is not reliable, reports that Vice President
Vance would be the chief negotiator, not
Steve Whitkoff or Jared Kushner, who had been doing the negotiating before the military action.
Again, the Guardian is not reliable, so I can't give you anything other than that's what this
newspaper says.
The government of Iran predictably says, oh, no, no, we don't want to talk.
Yeah, okay.
That's like, you know, they don't want to lose face.
in the Arab world, in the Muslim world, and with their own people, but they'll show up if there are talk schedule.
Now, Reuters reports, the talks may begin this weekend.
Reuters is so-so.
Okay?
I'm just giving you what we have.
I can't say with certainty that any of this is going to happen.
I can just tell you that the Trump administration would like it to happen.
Okay.
about 2,200 Marines are either in or on their way to the Persian Gulf.
We don't know why.
And the Pentagon is not going to tell anybody why.
Why we need to do that?
So we have ground forces available if certain missions, not occupation, but missions need to be done.
But the, you know, the Defense Department, Department of War, whatever they are,
they're not going to say, hey, this is where the Marines are, this is what we're going to do?
Come on.
But the reporters keep asking, okay, a Pentagon official says that due to security situations, we can't answer any questions.
That's legitimate.
Usually the government dodges, and it doesn't want to answer questions here in a battlefront situation, that's legitimate.
In Ukraine, Zelensky says he has.
as irrefutable proof that Russia is providing intelligence to Iran.
That is likely an accurate situation.
Putin is a master of evil.
That's why he's on the cover confronting evil right next to the Ayatollah,
homemade.
All right.
So I'm sure that Russia is doing bad things,
trying to make it more difficult for the United States.
So I believe that report.
The United Nations UNICEF, which is a children's,
arm of it, says that 324 children have been killed so far in a conflict, 206 in Iran, 118 in Lebanon,
four in Israel, one in Kuwait. Now, the Lebanon's thing is interesting because Lebanon got
involved at the behest of Iran. I know it's Hezbollah. It's not the government of Lebanon.
It's the terror group, Hezbollah. It's the same thing with Hamas. So they start firing rockets at
Israel, civilians, what do you think Israel's going to do?
No, they fire rockets back.
Now, I'm not justifying anything.
I'm just telling you that perspective is needed in covering the story.
So the kids are caught in the middle, just like Hamas.
Civilians were caught in Gaza because Hamas hid behind them.
We all understand.
I hope so.
So how did the UN get those numbers?
It's impossible to get them.
So they took them from the various governments, which then you say, okay, you've got to be skeptical.
But be that as it may, children, women, civilians, everybody's suffering.
World will be a lot better place.
We didn't have any of this, right?
It's so simple.
So summing up, I think that they're over the weekend, this weekend coming, stuff is going to happen.
And I'm hoping good stuff for the country's sake could be wrong, and that's the memo.
Joining San Juan of Washington, you see, is Mick Mulvaney.
You know him.
He was President Trump's chief of staff for 15 months at the end.
to Mr. Trump's first term. He is now the co-chair at Actum, and he's on CNBC and News Nation.
So my question is very simple. I'm a simple man as you know, Mick. Is President Trump the
same leader? We'll talk about him as a human being in a minute, but is he the same leader now
than he was when you were chief of staff.
Yeah, it's a really interesting question.
I'm going to try to give you a little nuanced answer.
And the answer is, yeah, some places in some places he's different.
Keep in mind, I was chief, what, seven years ago now.
And I don't think any of us are exactly the same person or same leader that we would have been seven years ago.
I see some similarities, Bill, and I see some differences.
The big differences that I've seen is that in the first term, I really think Trump valued having
people around him who aggressively disagreed with him. Maybe not publicly, but certainly privately.
Look, he hired me. I was one of the most fiscally conservative members of the Republican Budget Committee
on the Hill. And Donald Trump is not the world's most fiscally conservative person. He hired
Gary Cohn, the former president of Goldman Sachs to advise him on economic issues. And Gary's
a free trader. Donald Trump is clearly not a free trader. He welcomed those types of disagreements in the
first term. In fact, he sort of cultivated it. He wanted to see people.
fight with each other. I remember going to trade meetings and he used to put the free traders,
you know, me and Gary on one side of the room and the protectionist, Peter Navarro and
and Bob Lighthizer on the other side of room and watch us argue. He liked that. That's how he
chose to manage. I see a little bit of that in this term. I know for, oh, by the way, and don't
forget, he hired John Bolton, the, you know, the most neo-conservative person you can to be
national security advisor and Donald Trump is not a neo-conservative. In this term, I get the sense that
He doesn't have as much interest in doing that.
It's still some.
Russ Vote, who runs the OMB, worked for me,
probably more fiscally conservative than I am.
And he's still on the team and very highly regarded.
But generally speaking, I'm just not,
I don't get the sense that he wants that same sort of active and aggressive disagreement
that he wanted in the first term.
So, yeah, there's some similarities.
There's some differences, probably to be expected with the passage of time.
He's a different person.
The country's a different place.
So I don't think that's necessarily bad.
It's just different.
Is it true that he's more confident in his second term because he learned some very hard lessons in his first term?
Not sure if it's the first lessons.
I think he's confident right now in the military.
I think the actions in Venezuela, the action six months ago in Iran at the Natanz Nuclear Facility,
gave him a certain level of confidence.
We didn't see that.
We didn't do any of that in the first term by choice.
And I think maybe that's a new data point for him, that he thought he could use the military in a way.
that what didn't really occur to us in the first term, I don't think Donald Trump has any interest,
as you mentioned in your introduction, of putting troops on the ground in Iran on a permanent
or semi-permanent invasion type of basis. And he didn't want that in the first term either.
But this sort of what I call Tomahawk diplomacy, the strategic sort of stuff, the standoff
weapons, that was something we didn't even consider using the first term, and clearly he's not shy
about using it now.
It is true that a lot of people that he is hired have been sick offense.
and just say, yes, I'm to death, and whatever he wants is fine.
But is that understandable?
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Because he got burned by a lot of people in his first term.
Kelly, people like that.
They turned on them.
They burned them.
There were a lot of leaks.
Remember the leaks all over the place.
And he then became very distrustful of the swamp.
Yes and no.
And again, that's the second time I'm trying to give you a nuanced answer.
But these are complicated questions.
Yeah, he got burned in the first term.
There's no question.
I mean, James Mattis was actively working against Donald Trump.
John Kelly, my predecessor's chief of staff, was actively working against him.
Many of the people saw themselves as the so-called adults in the room there to protect the country against the president.
That's a fundamentally wrong position for any member, an unelected member of staff to take.
And if Trump sort of felt burnt by that, you can't blame him.
That being said, there were people that he trusted and knew and worked well with in the first administration who did,
disagree with him from time to time. I was one of those. I never turned on Trump, but I did have
the confidence to go and close a door and tell him something that maybe I disagreed with.
So I don't think you need to go as far as just firing everybody or not putting people in there
who would disagree with you at all. There are ways to get there who can give you. But he's
chosen people for loyalty as one of the top considerations. I think a lot of this term,
and I'm looking at it from a historical point of view now on January 6th.
So he had a close relationship with Pence, his vice president.
And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they lunched a couple of times a week.
And Pence gave him fairly candid advice, correct?
Did.
Okay.
So that that relationship was pretty strong until January 6th, all right, when Pence wouldn't
go in and challenge the vote. And so Pence was out the door, and then a more loyal guy, in Donald Trump's
opinion, Vance took his place. And then you saw that in the Department of War with Hegsef,
who is a patriot. I mean, I would never argue that. He's served his country well, but certainly
very inexperienced and another loyalist. And it just looks down the line like that's where
what he did. He didn't want to take any chances with people and the January 6th thing hardened him.
Would I be wrong there? No, but I cringe when I hear people say, oh, my goodness, this president
hired loyalists. They all do. Eric Holder was not disloyal to brought the policy.
That's true. That's true. Confident. The question is, is not loyalty. I was loyal to the president. In fact, I was so
loyal to the president. I decided to give him honest opinions when he asked me about questions.
That's what you had a falling out with him over January 6th. Yeah, that's right. I did.
Not to the same extent that Mike Pence did, but that's sure. I get if your question is this,
is he getting good advice? I think that's really what we're talking about. Is he getting good
advice from people? And I think the answer is generally yes. I do hope that behind closed doors,
there are people who are saying, Mr. President, this might not be such a good idea. My fear, Bill,
my fear is this, is that instead of giving them those honest opinions, there's people,
especially more junior people in the White House. You know, we talked about the cabinet here,
but the junior people who are around the president all the time are goading him on.
Oh, Mr. President, I think it would be a great idea if we put your name on the Kennedy Center.
I don't think Donald Trump came up with that. I think that was some obsequious junior staffer
trying to get in good with the president. And I don't think that serves him well generally in the
long run. That's maybe not the best example. But that was that.
The most powerful guy in a White House right now is Stephen Miller.
And Miller is more militant about everything than Donald Trump is.
But I think that Miller still has the presidency, or would I be wrong on that?
No, he absolutely does.
You're not wrong at all.
The one thing about Stephen is that it's a constant.
Stephen was just as adamant and militant about this in the first term.
He just is. I think one of the differences is that Trump really, really did latch on to immigration as one of the key issues in the 2024 election.
That's not to say that it wasn't like that in 2026, excuse me, 2016, but clearly him not being Hillary Clinton was also a big part of 2016.
And it worked.
He did. Trump liked success. And Miller can take success. Now, I have been in a few.
And I'm sorry to interrupt, but they have fixed a fundamental underlying issue of the security of the Southern Bank.
But it got him elected.
That's correct.
I got them elected.
I mean, you know, that pounding of this is insane and hurting a country and I'm going to fix it, which you did.
Now, as a civilian, I don't work for anybody but myself.
I've been in some cabinet meetings.
Serious stuff.
Invited by President Trump, because I believe he, like you, he knows that I'm not going to tow any party line or ideological line.
or anything. When he asked me a question, I give him an honest answer. I never insert myself
without being asked, ever. I don't call him. I don't do any of that. He's got to come to me.
But when I was in those cabinet meetings, those guys in a White House were not happy to see me.
They were not pleased because I would go out of the box. And I would say,
And I'm writing about it in my book, which will be out in September confronting America.
I spill it out pretty vividly.
But I'll give you one example, Panama.
And it was early on, and you remember the rattle in the cage,
and we're going to go down there and to take over the canal.
Well, I was in that meeting, and I said, you know, do any of this.
You know, here's what you can do.
You'll get everything you want.
And it absolutely happened.
The whole thing happened the way that I had drawn it out because I covered the wars in Central America.
I know the turf.
All right.
I know how it goes.
Well, those guys didn't like that at all.
The advice.
And I understand.
I mean, here's this O'Reilly guy coming in from God knows where sitting with us and he's given.
And the president's listening to him.
They didn't like it.
So I got a little taste of the, of the.
the office politics. I don't remember you doing that when I was the chief of staff,
but other people did. And here's how I would respond to it. I get the concern because a lot of
folks who come into those meetings from the outside, whether it's a cabinet meeting or just
an oval office meeting, aren't familiar with all the work that has been done up to that point
of arriving at a certain conclusion or at least getting to someplace along the line on making
a decision. So I get that little level of frustration. But to me, it was more important,
number one, did the president like it? And was it good information number two?
That's what we're looking at.
He made fun of me.
I don't know whether he liked it or not, but it evolved the way that I laid it out.
I was at Harvard two weeks ago, giving a little seminar to the pinheads at the Kennedy School, my alma mater.
And, you know, they don't like Trump, generally speaking in that school.
And they were asking me questions about my interactions with the president.
And what I said to them was, look, what you're hearing from the media isn't true, generally speaking.
So they're shading it negative toward Trump.
I can tell you that in every single conversation I have had, and I did the first interview with him in 216 when he announced, in every single conversation, number one, he never lied to me.
And number two, he knew what the doozy was talking about.
He knew.
Yeah.
All right.
So if you think that this guy is some, you know, bon vivant,
shouldn't be there because he doesn't know what he's doing,
you're crazy.
And he's straight up with me.
And that silenced them because they couldn't challenge me on it.
Because I've had more conversations with President Trump
that any journalists in the country.
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A lot of them are private and I always honor that.
Now, the man himself, I have seen a change in the man.
I'm not ready to define it yet.
Have you seen a change in him?
I mean, look, he's what, almost 80 now.
I guess he was 72 when I worked for him.
So that's a big difference for everybody.
Do I think he seems a little bit more tired sometimes?
yes but I know that people offer you know examples of his you know what he calls the
weave as sign of mental decline and I'm like that's crazy don't know there's no mental
decline that that's stupid there's a great ESPN 30 for 30 from I don't know 40 years ago
about the USFL I encourage people to go back and watch it because the Donald Trump when he was in
his I don't know late 30s early 40s is the exact same Donald Trump you see today so no I've not
seen any mental decline yet at all. Does he look a little bit more tired? There's an
overseas. Yeah. I mean, I can tell you that with certainty. However, he's less restrained
in his statements, in my opinion. So when Mueller dies, he says, I'm glad he's dead. I don't know
if you would have said that in his first four years. Yeah, he did. He said the same thing about McCain.
I mean, not this exactly.
Yeah, I don't know if he criticized me and I remember that.
But it wasn't that personal.
Yeah, it wasn't that.
That was a tough statement, which I understood, and I wrote a message of the day on
Bill O'Reilly.com about it because Mueller had attacked his family.
And if you attacked somebody's family, I mean, that changes everything.
So you haven't seen a big change in Donald Trump the man.
Not really.
just on the stuff on the overseas trips.
Look, those trips are brutal.
And as you know, he doesn't sleep.
He only sleeps about four hours a night anyway.
The man's physical conditioning is just, it's outrageous.
I've known a couple of people who are able to do that.
I couldn't do it.
But at some point it has to wear on you.
You know, a 30-hour flight back from the Middle East
is going to take its toll on everybody.
How about being moody?
No, I don't.
I mean, I'm not with him day-to-day like I used to be.
So my interaction with him is on television.
I just watched the interview that he gave today.
I've not seen any any large swings in that.
He is a little bit more willing to push back on the press,
but that's a degree.
That was something he did in the first term anyway.
I do think if there's, let me see if I can make sense out of it this way, Bill.
He's not restricted by having to run for office again.
And when you're the first term president,
you're also automatically on day one,
a candidate for re-election. Everybody is, right? And so you're always in the back of your mind going,
how is this going to play in the next elections? And I think that's different this time. He doesn't
have to do that. We watch the equity markets very, very closely in the first term because we knew
it was a big deal for the voters. I don't think they're as restricted by that. They pay more
attention now, for example, I think, to the bond markets than they do the equity markets.
Equity markets is still done very well under Trump. Don't get me wrong. But I think that the flow of
the day might be a little bit different because he's not running for reelection.
But he has to win the midterms or two years going to be real rough.
And I think that's an uphill battle.
Listen, if gas is $4 a gallon in August and September, they've got a problem.
Yeah, it shouldn't be, though.
I think they're going to wrap this Iran thing in the next, in the short term,
let's put it that way.
And then gas prices will have to come down fairly rapidly,
But the damage done, you'd ever know.
You don't know if recession or overseas or what's going on.
Final question.
Donald Trump's got a big thing coming up with China.
And a lot of people don't understand his interactions with Putin,
but they're different, my observation,
they're different than he interacts with most other.
world leaders. Would I be wrong there?
I don't think so.
You know, the way I try to describe it is that just because you get elected
president doesn't mean you're not a human being.
And he reacts the way that ordinary people would and under similar
circumstances. Look, a lot of the European leaders, when I was there in the
first term, we're not shy about showing their disdain for Donald Trump.
And if I come on TV and I, you know, I clearly don't like you and I let it
known that let it be known that I don't like you and my body language is like that my verbal
languages like that that's going to affect our relationship and I think that was part of the
difficulty he had for example with Justin Trudeau in Canada Angela Merkel in in Germany etc
you could go down the list um Donald Trump does not pick his friends based upon their politics
he doesn't like conservatives more than liberals he likes people that he likes and I think he just
gets along with she um to a certain extent he gets along with Putin um I still I still I
I do worry a little bit about the relationships.
And at the end of the day, when Trump comes out and has these meetings,
like he's supposed to go to China the end of this month,
it's now been delayed, and says he's got a great personal relationship with Xi.
That's wonderful.
But what I would tell him when we did this in the first,
I was Mr. President, that's great.
But the American people don't care as much about your relationship with that leader
is what that means to them.
So we need to show them the benefits of that good relationship.
But he feels he can leverage deals with these guys if he has.
Let's see the deal.
Yeah, if he has or you.
Hey, Mick, thanks very much for helping us out.
We really appreciate it and hope we can talk again soon.
Thanks, Bill.
News Nation last night is on with Leland Vitterd.
And we're talking about a deal, which I believe the Trump administration, as I said, wants.
And Leland, who asked very good questions, took the contrary point of view, roll-taped.
Has there ever been a time that making a deal with evil worked out?
Yes, there have been times when you make a deal, knowing that, well, there were a lot of deals made before World War II that postponed the Armageddon.
Okay?
Naval Chamberlain.
Wait, wait, hold on.
You're going to sit here and tell me Chamberlain at Munich was a success?
The word success never entered my mind. It postponed the armed conflict. Okay?
All right. Now, I should have, and I did not think quick enough, said Korea.
So Harry Truman made a deal with China and North Korea to the worst governments in the history of mankind
and signed the deal on July 27, 1953. That deal is held to three.
today and has led to millions of South Koreans being free. That deal with the devil worked,
but it didn't pop into my mind right away. The other point I was trying to make was the deal
with Hitler, okay, postponed by a year, and if the Europeans had been smart, which they never
are, they would have built up their armaments and defenses, okay? Because they had a year
window, but they did not. Senate has confirmed Mark Wayne Mullen is an ex-DHS secretary. The vote was
5445. Rand Paul, a Republican senator from Kentucky, voted against Mullen. Rand Paul's not really
a Republican anymore. He's just kind of a independent kind of guy. Two Democrats voted in favor,
Federman of Pennsylvania and Heinrich of New Mexico. So Mullen is in.
Christy Noam is out. Where is Christy Noem? Former Governor South Dakota. She is in charge of the
shield of the Americas. I don't really know what that is, but she's in charge of it. Ice
latest. So in Atlanta, things are good. 30-minute waits are the reports. I'm not sure
that's accurate because ICE agents are there helping.
poor TSA agents who aren't being paid.
In Houston, there was a report that the line at the airport
is four and a half hours.
That is BS.
Total BS.
Garbage, you know, and I just makes me furious.
But the ICE presence should help move those lines along.
Terrible story out of Chicago, a Loyola University
freshman, a girl named Sheridan Gorman,
shot dead by an illegal alien, Jose Medina.
All right.
So Ms. Gorman 18 years old, Medina 25.
And Ms. Gorman was walking with friends in a lake front park in Chicago.
The guy came out of nowhere with a mask, shot her in a head, she's dead.
But here's the deal.
Medina was led in here by the Biden administration.
All right, then he was arrested a month later after he was released for shop,
lifting and let go again.
Okay?
All right.
Is that what you're going to do in the liberal centers,
you're going to have more dead people?
Media covered it so-so.
ABC News gave it a minute, 15 seconds, NBC, a minute, 40 seconds.
CBS, 32 seconds.
All was worth on CBS News.
Terrible.
poor woman, poor family, and I hope this guy never sees a lie today again if he's guilty.
We do respect due process.
All right, the Pentagon has ordered journalists to go outside.
This is one of the dumbest stories in the history of this country.
So a judge named Paul Friedman, Clinton appointee, said that Secretary War Hegset, banning
reporting inside the Pentagon or whatever Heggseth is up to is unconstitutional.
So, Hegson said, all right, I'm closing up all the death space in the Pentagon, and they've got to go outside.
So you've got to stand under a tree or something.
This is so dumb.
All right, it really is.
Secretary of Heg says it's more important things to do than this, and it just is a bad look.
It is.
And you know me in the press.
I got no use for them.
I am part of them, but I'm way apart.
President Trump went to Memphis yesterday to celebrate his crime fighting strategy.
Memphis, Tennessee, one of the most violent cities in the country.
But now the Joint Task Force of local authorities and federal have turned it around.
Here's the president.
But just as we have in D.C. here in Memphis.
DC here in Memphis, we've achieved one of the largest, fastest declines in violent crime ever
recorded. So that's something, right? Ever recorded. In fact, you're half a percentage point
away from the record. All right, 7,400 arrests in the last six months, 1,200 guns confiscated,
150 missing children found, kidnapped children, violent crime down 43%. So it works.
These task force between the feds and the locals drives crime down.
That's it, you progressives, it works.
I know you don't want it to work, but it works.
Now, at Memphis, the president took a side trip to Graceland.
I was there with Dennis Miller a few years ago.
Interesting place, Elvis's home.
So a reporter asked the president about Elvis.
What's your favorite songs here of Elvis's?
But she just mentioned one of them hurt.
Hurts great, right?
It is.
It is very good.
He's got so many.
There's very few I don't like.
Well, and how great they'll are.
Yeah, yeah.
Every one of them is, he did nothing bad.
He didn't know any of the Elvis hits.
So here are my favorite three Elvis songs.
Viva Las Vegas, number one.
suspicious minds, number two, particularly in the live performance, and return to sender.
Those are my three favorite Elvis songs.
Back with a final thought about Bernie Goldberg in a moment.
All right, here's the final thought of the day.
We had Bernie Goldberg analyzing the media yesterday, and he got a ton of new subscribers to
Bernardgoberg.com.
So Bernie texted me and said, would you please thank your audience?
I'm passing along, Bernie Goldberg's thanks and gratitude.
Okay?
Bernardgoldberg.com.
And if you want to reach me,
Bill at Bill O'Reilly.com,
bill at bill o'Reilly.com, name and town.
Thank you for watching and listening to the Nostepin News.
We'll see you again tomorrow.
