Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - Major Media Shift Underway, Ian Khan Weighs in on the Evolving Digital Age, ICE Raid in NYC & Alex DeMille on His New Novel 

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

Hey BillOReilly.com Premium and Concierge Members, welcome to the No Spin News for Wednesday, October 22, 2025. Stand Up for Your Country.  Talking Points Memo: Bill argues that a major media shift is happening, but most Americans don’t know because the media won’t report on itself. Ian Khan, Executive Producer and Host of The Futurist and author, joins the No Spin News to discuss the new digital era and the future of media. Bill examines new polls on President Trump’s approval rating during the government shutdown and growing concerns over healthcare costs. A tense standoff broke out in New York City's Chinatown following an ICE operation. Alex DeMille, co-author of The Tin Men: A Novel, talks about writing with his late father, Nelson DeMille, and what it was like working together. Final Thought: Bill shares details on his upcoming Los Angeles trip. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Knowledge and information is power. That's why I put together this independent news operation on Bill O'Reilly.com, and it has been far more successful than I ever imagined, because there are millions of people who want information that's grounded in facts. I know the ideologues are out there, and there's no problem with that, but you have to assume that some of your ideology is not true. No ideology is 100%. So we don't do the ideological thing here.

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Now, most Americans at this point in history are emotional. and making emotional decisions. We hate Trump, we love Trump. It's all Trump-centric right now. We hate the far-left progressives. We love the far-left progressives. Entire networks devoted to all of that. And they don't care about giving you information.

They're just looking for stuff to prop up their point of view so they can make money. We do not do that here. Okay? And we see that the dishonest corporate media, in it solely for money, is misleading a lot of people, and that's causing social problems. However, the good news, in my opinion, is that the corporate media is evaporating and quickly, right before our eyes. Most Americans don't understand it. So that leads us to the talking points memo. So this media change is happening very rapidly. And the reason,

that most Americans aren't aware of it is because the media will not report on itself, right? So to them, everybody's doing great because they want to make money. I want your money. They want the sponsors to go in, they want all that. Let me give you some facts. CBS News is in complete uproarred. So you'll know that Skydance, a corporation, that is fairly conservative, bought Paramount, which owned CBS, and that includes CBS News. CBS News was almost 100% liberal just two months ago. 100% down the line liberal from CBS News. They never admitted, but they were. I know them all. Now the executives at Skydance run by Larry Ellison's son, a changing. And that will continue.

Now, I don't know if they're ever going to be fair or they're ever going to, I don't know any of that. But they stopped banishing non-liberal voices, which a good thing, except for Jane Pauli on a Sunday morning program, which is an absolute scandal, that program. 60 minutes is being revamped. I don't know how long, much longer Scott Pelly can survive, but they're going after it. All right, NBC fired MSNBC. Do you realize that? So Comcast, which owns NBC, fired MSNBC.

We don't want you anymore. And now a company named Verset, I don't even know what this company is, V-E-R-S-A-N-T. They run MS now. Okay, it's not MSNBC any longer, it's MS now, because NBC fired the network. because it was embarrassing and they weren't making very much money from it. All right, I don't expect any changes there. They're going to go down with the ship, the progressive ship. So no changes, they'll be there.

They have no influence. CNN announced yesterday. This is fascinating. Just yesterday, Warner Brothers Discovery, that's a huge corporation, entertainment corporation. They own CNN, and they own Turner Classic movies. I was just watching a horror movie on there last night. Discovery Channel, HBO, and others. Okay?

So Warner Bros. Discovery owns all that. They want to sell. They want out. And they'll get, they'll sell. Maybe not all of their properties, but CNN is goner. Because again, going down, down, down, down. Somebody will buy it. And believe me, those people over there, they're all going.

on. I don't know if there's one that they'll keep. Because there's nobody over there that's making any money for them. No big stars. Nobody has any traction at all. In the morning, CNN's ratings are lower than a lot of local stations. It's hard to believe. It's a national network. So CNN big changes. ABC Disney, they're under a lot of fire, as you know. We went over it and over and over it, The View, George Stephanopoulist, Jimmy Kimmel, on and on and on. But I don't expect too many changes at Disney. They make all their money at the theme parks, and their prices are outrageous. And the kids want to go, so the parents take.

I understand it all. So I don't think that the Disney Corporation is going to change their point of view, and their point of view is very, very progressive left. I could be wrong. I hope I am. I hope they get a little more. fair over there. But I'm not optimistic. Fox News is now 93% conservative. That means almost everyone who watches FNC leans right or is a conservative or is MAGA. It's also very Trump

dependent. And the president knows that. He sticks it to Fox News all the time. Like, you know, when they criticize him, he goes, what do you criticize me? I'm a major network. Now, when I was Fox, more than 20 years, it was 60% conservative. Now, 93%. But Fox makes a lot of money. And when Trump leaves in three years, I don't know what they're going to do over there. Depends who the new president is all they're not. But they're profitable. So if the profits start to drop, then they would change, I guess. But right now, they're going to stay. where they are, I believe. So, summing up the so-called establishment media is all in a state of flux except for Fox

that will stay where it is until Trump leaves. The flux is big. Now one week ago, as you know, I did the three Americans town hall in Washington, D.C. at the Kennedy Center. That was run by News Nation, a relatively new startup cable operation, which is the only one adding viewers. Ready? That two-hour program, one week ago, was sampled by 23 million people worldwide. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold.

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Come and see what all the fuss is about. You can listen to Piers Morgan Unsensored on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. That is staggering. Staggering, 23 million people accessed, and these are from News Nation stats, okay, part of all of that program. But most of them did it on social media, on YouTube, because News Nation has its own YouTube channel. Some did it on CW, some did it on News Nation itself, some did it on Sirius, because we were across the board, but 23 million. that I mean I'm a pretty cocky guy and I put together the three Americans concept I knew it was going to work but I never thought it would work like that and it was a good show and if you missed it or it didn't watch it we have it on bill o'Reilly.com and you should check it out so that told me that solidified to me that social media has taken over and that most Americans get their information from so

media now. That's both good and that. The good thing is that you can get your product on social media. So while I'm still banished from a lot of the corporate media, not all, but a lot of it, and not just me, but any non-liberal voice, you're never going to get on. Okay? It was funny watching the view ladies goes, well, conservatives are too scared to come on. Yeah, okay, sure. You know, you don't invite them. Okay, you won't invite them. You won't invite them.

You won't put them on. That's the truth. So we have a situation where this vast change is taking place underway right now, and Americans don't know about it. They don't know what's happening. Now, the downside of social media is there's no standards. You can say whatever you want. And to pile on.

artificial intelligence is about to get into the news information business that's going to be scary because you'll have no idea what is true what isn't true they'll be able to resurrect video they'll even have phony newscasters on there that look real you're not gonna know that's really dangerous so that'll help me and Bill O'Reilly.com because people go, yeah, they'll come here. And I'll let you know if I'm an AI person. I don't think they could possibly even invent somebody as obnoxious as I am, but maybe. All right, some of the up 330 million Americans, right? I'd say more than half of us don't know what the deuce is going on. I have no idea. Now, a lot of those people don't care,

But boy, it's getting dangerous out there. If you don't know, you can be manipulated. And that's the memo. I joining us now from another point of view is Ian Kahn. He's got a book out this year called Undisrupted Leadership Essentials on Business, Transformation, Profitability, and Future Readiness. And he does a show on Amazon Prime called The Futurist. All right. So, Ian joins us from Las Vegas.

I don't know if Las Vegas is the future. They're having a hard time out there because, you know, the Indian casinos have taken a lot of business away from Vegas. Anyway, that's another story at another time. So am I making any mistakes in my analysis of the media? You're right on track, Bill. You know, there's so much happening and it's not just broadcast. It's not, you know, what Warner is doing, what Disney's doing.

It's this whole change in how we consume content, and that has really shifted over the last few years. I sometimes feel that traditional broadcasters are just living in their own world. They've been doing their own thing for the last few decades, but social media is coming in. You mentioned AI, and that is a completely new animal where you absolutely cannot tell if this person you're seeing on screen is me or an avatar and how you can program it. So it's the era of deepfakes, it's the era of disinformation, misinformation, and anybody can put up a YouTube channel and talk endlessly nonstop and actually get some followers as well. So the scene has definitely changed, and we're headed into an era where we need to know what we're watching and if it's actually real. But the only way that could happen is if the government then got involved and had standards of behavior that all the social media. media companies would have to adhere to.

And I don't see that happening, Ian. I don't see that happening either because the way it looks like, social media companies are quite powerful. They're global companies with a lot of access to people, communities, money, power. And it's the stark reality that technology companies have become much more powerful than you would have anticipated. And hence antitrust laws and hence the need to break them down. But some companies are much more powerful than the average American knows based on what they can do and the amount of data they have and what they know about us.

And they give money the politicians and all that. So your advice to people of goodwill and that cuts across all parties and all ideologies who really want to know the truth about their lives in the country in which they, they live. What is your advice? What do you tell them to do? It's tough advice and the advice is don't trust anybody. Don't trust everything you watch either on social media or on programmatic media or broadcast. You have to balance your opinion by dipping into different pools and get an opinion on various, from various sources. You cannot absolutely just go with the one thing and totally believe it. All right. And that's good advice. But that takes time. And most people are working and I get the kids. And, you know, it takes time to go survey. I've been doing media for 50 years. And I don't know how much longer I can do it. I mean, I'm in good shape, thank God. And nobody can beat me, even in my advanced age. I mean, they try, but they can't. But sooner or later, I'm going to fall apart. But I look and people go, well, who's going to replace?

issue, O'Reilly, who's going to take over? And I don't see it. I don't see, and I'm not being insulting to the younger journalists, but they don't have the training, they don't have the experience, they're not going to cover wars like I did, they're not sent all over the world, they don't have any of this, so that the human element, the information carriers, all right, they were first fostered in World War II. That's where all CBS people came out of. World War II. That was a tough slog. And then the other's next generation was Vietnam, and then on and on and on. Now you don't have that.

You have Tiffany from LaCross, Wisconsin, who can't even say what town she's in. And I think that with the technology is really a deficit here in a way people are getting information. Last word. Yeah, we're actually headed into an era like you mentioned of digital avatars. And I completely believe that in the next five to ten years, we didn't have, you know, for you, right there, but it'll be a digital avatar of you speaking like you, speaking like me, and programmed to exactly replicate your mannerisms, your thinking pattern. And people will be watching the virtual, you know, you and enjoying it. We'll call it out.

I mean, as long as we have the platform and we have an immense platform, as you know, we will not tolerate that. Ian, thanks very much. We really appreciate your expertise. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. All right, Donald Trump's schedule a very important meeting with the Secretary General of NATO. A man named Mark Ruttah, he's a Dutchman. And NATO, you know, with this Ukraine war, and now they're paying, most of the except for Spain,

are paying a lot more for the collective defense. So Trump did that, by the way. None of these people are, oh, he's the king, and he's on. Trump did that. I mean, he solidified the European nations against Putin. Just remember that. Okay, so he has a meeting at four. Then he called off the Budapest meeting with Putin,

because Putin's not going to cooperate with the United States or NATO. I mean, it's just not. He doesn't care how many people die. I mean, women and children are killed, doesn't care. It's like Hamas. They don't care. People don't care. You can get to Putin, though.

And one of the waves is for China. China backs away from buying Russian oil, and Putin's in trouble. It's the matchat or the three ensemble Cado Cephora of the FACETs that I just denny-k, who energize o'clock? Hmm, it's the ensemble. The form of standard and mini-regrouped? Hello, Ben. And the embellage, too beau, who is practically pre-a-doned.

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and on the weekend, we go longer with the PDB's Situation Report, with excellent guests, national security insiders and foreign policy experts. Check us out on Spotify, and Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts, also on our YouTube channel, at President's Daily Brief. And Trump, I expect him to meet with Xi, the leader of China, in Korea next week. But I don't have any specifics. We're on it.

I told you yesterday I would find out about the Chinese coup. I did. and the guy who I was talking to, and I can't give him up because he'll be exiled to some concentration camps someplace, he goes, look, we do this, we, the Chinese, every six months. So every six months, you know, bunch of generals, bunch of bureaucrats over in Beijing, they just, you know, it's the way the totalitarians work. I don't think it'll have any effect on the Trump meeting that is very important next week. We're all over it. We have the best sources. All right.

Trump's approval rating actually has gone up during the government shutdown, according to Reuters, which is a left-wing news service. It surveyed 4,385 adults. All right. Approve of President Trump's job performance. 42, disapprove 56. That is up two points in two weeks. Okay, next question, who do you blame for the shutdown? Republicans are blamed by 50%, Democrats by 43.

It goes down on party lines. You can see that happening. And finally, should subsidies that lower health insurance be extended? Now, this is an unfair question, and Reuters knows it. So 72% of Americans say, yes, health care subsidies should be extended. 22 say no, but the subsidies are for a very select group. They're not for everybody. So that's what people think. Yeah, yeah, we want subsidies. No, it's not for you. So that's the problem. All right, another poll. This is AP Associated Press, another wire service, which

leans left. 1,289 adults. Question number one, how concerned are you about? About, each of the following. Health care costs increasing. Fifty-seven percent are concerned and 42 percent not so concerned. Okay. I mean, I'm concerned about health care costs increasing. I don't know who's not. I guess the Medicare people and people have good health plans and their corporations. Second question, are you concerned not being able to pay for health care? Extremely concerned very concerned 42 somewhat 24 not concerned at all 34 not being able to access health care when you need it 40% are concerned about that 24 somewhat concerned that's 64 35 not concerned you should be concerned because a lot of

doctors are getting out setting up concierge services that cost you a fortune I'm concerned about that okay and final question is it the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans of health care? Yes, 60. No, 39. Responsibility. I think that the federal government has to have very disciplined regulations on health care. Responsibility that everybody have it, you got the emergency room situation. I don't want this Canadian system. system here. All right, Donald Trump says he wants $230 million from the Department of Justice, the DOJ, because of the phony investigations against him by the Biden administration.

Number one, that would be paid for by the taxpayer. Oh, that's not good. And number two, it's not going to go anywhere. I understand the president's anger. He's paid an enormous amount of money to defend himself against bogus charges, but I don't think the folks are going to pay for it. That would be in court forever. Ice, New York City. Okay, so yesterday, immigration authorities, Homeland Security, went down to Chinatown, which is fairly extensive in New York City. And they were targeting people who are selling food on the street, many of whom are here illegally. They have little carts. They sell you food. Okay? Well, they went down and they were attacked.

All right. So News Nation correspondent, Jessica Cartaglia, was on the scene. Roll the tape. It went from officers who were getting out, walking over to people, checking their IDs, to this armored truck. And officers armed with pepper spray and guns. And this man who, again, I think what's very difficult here, for people at home is that there are a lot of people here on the streets who are watching all of this happen but then they started pushing the officers and so that's like

there's two separate things happening here there are the arrests but then there's also this harassment of these officers and then you've got people who are trying to get home in the afternoon. All right so Homeland Security says nine migrants have been taken into custody

the NYPD stayed out of it And that gives Trump another card to bring in the National Guard if he wants to to protect the ICE officers. So that happened just yesterday in New York City. I'm going to do the property crime rates tomorrow. I'm just sending a message to my producers here. So we will do that for you. The 15 cities with the highest property rate crimes.

We'll do it tomorrow. Because I want to get to our next guest. So some of you know that I was friends with Nelson DeMille. One of the most successful authors of fiction in the United States. Mr. DeMille died last year at the age of 81 from cancer. I was with him to the end. He wrote 24 novels. He was on a bestsellist.

He had movies made of his books. You know, I mean, if you read books, you know Nelson DeMille. All right, so he's got a new one out written with his son, the Tin Men. And it comes out October 28 next week. And it's again featuring Army Special Agent. investigators, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor, which are two very, very good characters. So joining us now from Brooklyn, New York, is Alex DeMille, who co-wrote this book with his late father.

So how are you doing, Alex? How's the family, first of all? We really miss Nelson. Thank you, Bill. I'm doing well. I know he always appreciated your friendship, and we appreciated it, too, in the difficult time when he passed last year. Yeah.

But the outpouring of affection for him was really impressive. And his son, James, and I know you're helping James out. He's up in college now. But if you guys need anything, you just let me know right away. Because Nelson was a very unique individual. I respected very much. Now, it must be tough for a son, a young guy. Like, you know, you're in your 40s, but Nelson was a pro.

and did he like scorn you or scold you during the book if he didn't like what you were doing? I always wanted to ask you that. No, no. Honestly, when he first asked me to work with him, this would have been in 2017. I told him that I didn't think it was a good idea because, you know, a family relationship,

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We came to it with a mutual respect. And he definitely, we had pushed back, you know, most of the time. The first book, I'd say he won, you know, 90% of the battles. Second book, maybe 70%. And, you know, as I got more experienced a little more seasoned, I think we, we kind of developed their rapport. What did you offer? No scolding, maybe a lot of like angry exes with pencils on the paper.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What to do is you doing? What did you offer your father, you know, a fairly big age difference, generational difference. Your father was a hero in Vietnam. I mean, that's how far back he went. So what did you bring him as a younger voice? Well, the characters that we feature in these three books, Scott Brody and Maggie Taylor, are in their 30s. So their life experience, they're both combat veterans.

Their life experiences were closer to him, but their age, their generation was more in line with me. So I think I brought a little bit of a younger voice and kind of a different perspective on how a male-female team professionals working together might interact with each other. and what might have been okay in the, you know, in the 80s and that maybe it sort of doesn't work quite the same way today with younger characters. Yeah, I know someone called me one time. He was furious because they took out, the publisher took out, some of the references that he had in dialogue. They said, oh, you can't say that about it. I think it was Chinese people. So you.

And he was like, all right, it's a way to. talk. This is the way to, you know, come on. And I said, listen, Nelson, calm down. Let your son handle this kind of stuff. Well, the example you're talking about is that was the villains. He's like the villains are being racist and saying racist stuff, but you still don't, you don't want it in here, which, yeah, it's complicated. It's crazy. Right. I'm so obnoxious that, you know, and he called me because he knows that, you know, I never change anything, no matter what the Polish says. But, you know, you can do that when you sell more nonfiction books, anybody in the world. Your book, this Tin Man, I'm in the middle of it, is a mystery, all right?

And it's fun and people will like it. But I like to read fiction where I learn something. So what am I going to learn in Tinman? I think you'll probably hopefully learn what I learned, which was the role that autonomous weaponry and AI and robotics plays and might continue to play in the military. There's a lot of interesting thinking on this right now. And, you know, how much are you allowed to take a human out of the loop in any of these kind of weapon systems, for instance? Obviously, this is a thriller and things go wrong, but you want to look at how things are actually supposed to go and kind of the kind of official thinking about how they can integrate these things.

and the role that AI currently plays and might play in the future. So that's definitely some of the themes I was exploring. All right. So it's new weaponry, and that's big, because we're in a race with China to some extent Russia to develop these unbelievable weapons now. We wouldn't need the infantry very much anymore except for specialized operations. So you're honing in on that. All right, Alex, look, we wish you the best.

The novel is called The... Tin men you can order it now on Amazon Barnes and all that and you know you're having ever bestseller I can almost guarantee that and we really appreciate you coming on Alex and if you need anything as I said let me know okay I appreciate that thank you Bill thanks for having right back with the final thought at the moment okay quick final thought of the day I'm going out to LA in two weeks I've been out there in a while for business I'm gonna do the Mars show and HBO I'm going to do the Howie Mandel podcast and Billy Bush.

All of this is in support of confronting evil, of course. So looking forward to that. We'll tell you more about it as it gets closer. The more things should be pretty interesting. Haven't done his show on HBO, but we'll mix it up a little bit. We'll have a good time. Hope we'd keep it fun. Thank you for watching and listening to the No Spin News.

And Bill O'Reilly, we'll see you again tomorrow.