Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - New Media Players - No Spin News Special

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

In this No Spin Special, Bill O’Reilly talks to prominent members of the new media who are stepping away from traditional corporate media. He interviews Dan Abrams, Stephen A. Smith, and Piers Morgan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Number one, based on publicly available data on competitors' customers. Plans vary. SMS available as ad-on. Visit MailChimp.com. Dan Abrams, you know him, was at NBC. He's still at ABC as a legal correspondent. He runs a website called Mediaite, where they write about media every day. He was on News Nation until recently.

The guy knows the media. So number one question, is the media, the linear media, corporate media, losing power in America? Absolutely. That's an easy one. The mainstream media, the media that you and I grew up on, has definitely lost influence. It's lost viewers. It's lost its power.

It doesn't mean it's powerless. It's still influential, but just doesn't have anything like the sort of influence that it once had. And by the way, I think that applies to the Associated Press as well. I mean, AP used to, you know this, AP used to be the thing, right? AP sends something out. It goes to everyone everywhere all over the world. Well, now everything goes to everyone all over the world. That's right.

Now, why are they losing power so rapidly? I know there's more competition with the social media, but I believe it has to do with partisanship that people and all the survey shows. this. They don't trust the media anymore. It's in business, a preach to the choir, tell people what they want to hear. I think that's the main reason for the decline. I think it's a combination. I think it is definitely the medium. It is the fact that people can get information elsewhere. They don't have to turn on NBC. But why wouldn't you turn it on if you liked it? Yeah, you might. Yeah. You might. You liked it, you know. Right.

but you might prefer to hear more of what you know you want to hear on a daily basis and i will say that the major loss for the mainstream media has been among conservatives there is no doubt about that well wait a minute there's two networks that are a hundred percent conservative of fox and newsmax yes correct and i think that they the the ABCs and cbses and put aside cable for a moment right the broadcast networks, the places that everyone used to get their news from, the folks who are on the right will now very often go to someone like Brett Baer on Fox News to get that quote unquote newscast. Or they'll go to folks like you, by the way, who are on their own, independent, not beholden

to a bigger entity. And they'll say, you know what? I like O'Reilly. What does he have to say about this? I think people now have a lot more choices than they ever had before. And I think that has made a huge difference in these guys used to be the gatekeepers. It was all about if you weren't, you know, you couldn't get someone to cover it. Then the story faded.

Now there's a whole host of opportunities and options to get someone to get a story, your take, whatever it is out there. I think Trump destroyed the media, and he did it passively, not actively. Obviously, this AP thing was active. He doesn't like them. He doesn't like NBC, in particular, those two. But by hating Trump as much as MSNBC, NBC News, CNN, by hating him, viscerally hating him, to this day, to this moment, fair-minded America is not ideologues. it makes us uneasy.

Am I wrong? I think you're right. I think you're right. Look, I think there is, you know, people use the term Trump derangement syndrome, right? And, you know, either people on the right use it and say it with a sort of a smile and a snicker. And people on the left say, oh, there's no such thing. But the truth is there is such thing. There really is this sense on the part of some.

They are so angry at Trump all the time that they just can't do what they're. they're supposed to do in a remotely objective way. Now, I will say this, in defense of some of the folks on the left, is that Donald Trump has gone into this Trump two, his second effort here, and has definitely taken more extreme measures and positions than he did in Trump 1. And as a result, if you are someone who is object, quote, there's no such thing as objectivity, pure object. Let's call it. So you're somewhere right-of-center, left-to-center, right? And the guy who's in power is taking positions that are pretty extreme in a lot of ways. You're going to, you're going to be calling him out. And as a result, you're going to hear more criticism of Trump than you might of another

Republican in that role. And the same way, by the way, if you had AOC or Elon Omar, and I'm not saying it their apples to apples there. No, I wouldn't be at the same level, though. It wouldn't be at It would. I think that's fair. I think you're right. It wouldn't be a single level. The corporate media tried to re-elect the Biden administration through Kamala Harris. They tried everything. That 60 Minutes thing is a legitimate thing. They tried to help her. Oh, come on. Do you think that 60 Minutes thing was really a big of it? Come on. I saw how they edited it. And they did not have to edit it that way. They tried to make her look. We know that they edited. We know they edited it because they put it out themselves. They admit they had to. They put it out in two different forms.

They had to. They put out one. They put out the other. They didn't have to. Oh, yeah, they did. One is a tease on Face the Nation. They put out the other on 60 minutes. They were doing it because they just thought, oh, these are two, you know, different ways of getting the same thing. How long did it take for 60 minutes to put that transcript out? That was the mistake. The mistake was not releasing.

Thank you. But now that we've seen it, but now that we've seen it, it wasn't that big a deal. It's a typical editing. You and I have edited thousands of pieces. I never would have edited my piece that way. In a million years, I wouldn't have that. I didn't find that editing to be that disturbing. I didn't find it to be disturbing at all.

I think they absolutely, and then subsequently, every week on 60 Minutes, they just bash Trump. Just bash him. Well, that's true. So over the past few weeks, the Washington Post, the New Yorker magazine, the New York Times Athletic, the New York Post, Fox News, News Nation have all done features on you about your political future in their Estableness. It's not like you've said anything. It's like that. Why do you think that is? Why are you getting so much attention in this area?

Because I do something that the Democratic Party doesn't do at this particular moment in time. I resonate. It's really that simple. And I'm not saying that to brag on myself. I'm saying that to highlight the desolate state of affairs that exists within the Democratic Party. They haven't been very, very impressive, collectively speaking, of course. And I think that when you see the election and what the election results, results revealed. Donald Trump gets 77 million votes. He wins the popular vote. He wins

the electoral college vote. He wins every swing state. He's up in like 50 counties. He gave a run for money in New York. They improved in California. And obviously, they won the Senate. They won the House, and they maintained, you know, their stake in the House. I'm sorry, in the Senate, they won the Senate, and they maintained their stake in the House as well. You take all of those things into account, and there's just no question that the Democratic Party is in dire straits right now. And so when you hear me pointing out some of the things

that I pointed out, I'm not one of those guys, Bill, who believes that because you think differently than me, you're a racist, you're anti-black. No, you don't play that. I've never heard you play that part. I don't play that game. Why do you think Carville got so upset about this? What is it that you're doing that annoys him?

Well, you know this better than me because you're the veteran in politics over the last 50, 60 plus years, 50 years plus. I'm not going to go to 60 route because you're not that old. But here's the deal. In the end, when you look at a guy like James Carville, who came across as a bit truculent to say the least, I think that, you know, first of all, he misquoted me. I did not say there was no talent in the Democratic Party. I said there was no one who was resonating. They did not have a voice. I happen to know Westmore, the governor of Maryland.

He's a friend of mine. I mean, I like him a great, great deal. We've become friends. I enjoyed my interview with Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania. I just finished interviewing a few minutes ago, minority leader of the House, Mr. Hakeem Jeffries. So it's not like the Democratic Party is devoid of talent. That's not what I said. But they are devoid of a voice.

They are devoid of somebody who resonates on a national level. And I think James Carville took exception to that primarily because, he forgot that he was the one saying it too, which is why on my show, when I clapped back at him, I played some clips of him saying the same damn thing that I said, because he had been lamenting that. And I think that when you're... You ought to get Carville on your podcast, which is very successful, by the way. I'm going on... I'm going on his. I'm going on his. Yeah, got. Because, look, there's a couple of things in play. Number one, there is no leader of the Democratic Party. Now it would be my first

question, Carvel. Who's the leader? Chuck Schumer? Come on. There's no leader. They don't have anybody. Kamala resurfaced at the NAACP, didn't really make a dent. So it's wide open. Number two, Trump opened the gates for populist candidates. And if you ever decided to get into politics, that's what you would be, a populist candidate. You would be going right to the people and say, look, I feel for you and I'm going to, if you elect me, I'm going to try to solve some of your problems.

That's what Trump did. and it's been very successful for Trump. But right now, the Democratic Party is disarray, and Carville knows that, but it just seems to be he was insulted by... And I'm listening to him. That's where his real frustration comes from. And please don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying they shouldn't listen to him. I think they should have listened to him. But I think that as is the case in our society today, on a plethora of platforms and in industries where you've got youngsters on a lot of, to come up and they sort of ease the elder statesman out of the mix because they want to run things themselves. I deal with that in sports too, where you have an abundance of individuals who were qualified

and they couldn't get a job because the youngsters were placed at the helm and they didn't want to bring somebody in more knowledgeable than them. Take into account, you know your sports a little bit, Bill O'Reilly. Bill Belichick couldn't get an NFL job. The man has won eight Super Bowl championships. Two as a defensive coordinator, six as a head coach. And when he got let go by the New England Patriots, he couldn't get. get a job. He had to go back to college at the University of North Carolina to get a head coach

control. They didn't want to get a guy like that. I know that. I know that. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is transitioning back to politics, you have people in positions of power within the Democratic establishment that clearly didn't want to listen to James Carvo. So that could be a part of his frustration. But in the end, he came at the wrong person because I wasn't knocking him. I thought they should have listened to him. But when he clapped back at me, I'm like, wait a minute. You've been talking the same stuff that I've been saying. You must have forgot about that. Let me remind you. And that's about as far as... If you really want to cut through it all and no Democrat has a courage to say this, Joe Biden destroyed the party. You destroyed...

Yes, I said that. But you're not, you know, you're not in the political arena. There's nobody in Congress or working in the Democratic precincts. No governor, nobody. Westmore, your buddy, when you talk to him, and you ask him, did Joe Biden destroy? the Democratic Party, he'll say no, or he won't answer the question. Joe Biden destroyed it because he's the second worst president in our history. And it's not even close. I mean, you can never beat James Buchanan because he let the civil war happen. But Biden, if you read my message of the day on bill o'Reilly.com, the guy, that's why

Trump is, you know, bouncing up and down like, you know, an 18-year-old on speed because he's trying to reverse all of this stuff in a bit that's hurting every American. But the Democrats won't acknowledge that. And they also won't acknowledge that woke culture has destroyed the fabric of the party. That's what the main thing is all about. You're absolutely right. You and I have been on TV together and you know how I love to disagree with you. But when you're right, you're right. Damn it, I got to concede it. And you're right on the money with that, you know? And so when you take into account, first of all, Joe Biden was supposed to leave.

He was supposed to be a transitional president and then was feeling himself when the midterms wasn't a red wave in 2022. So he decides to stay in office, basically betrays the party, and then they got to come up with some elaborate scheme to get him up out of there. That's what I firmly believe. And it turned out to backfire on them. And when you look at the actions of Trump right now and people talk about him trying to undo so much that they have done, whether you like or dislike what Trump is.

doing and there's plenty of people in the center and clearly on the left who do dislike what he is doing it is no doubt he is trying to do exactly what he said he was going to do which is also the antithesis of what democrats at least remember he's doing a note about he's going further he is going further going to be too far he expected him to prop up Putin but as I wrote in my column this is why he's propping up Putin so number one you would agree with me that Donald Trump's taking revenge on the American media, correct? Yeah, no question. But I also think that it's been entirely predictable, given the way that the mainstream media in America has behaved in such an overtly partisan manner against him

for eight years. And I've been criticized them for eight years for doing it, pointing out that it's not the job of the media to take sites. I mean, some of them may be unashamedly, you know, partisan, fine, then show your colors. It's the more insidious secret partisan behavior of very liberal-dominated newsrooms working at the supposedly impartial networks who've waged a kind of systematic activist campaign against Trump. And obviously, now he's got the chance. He's going to have some fun with them. But I would tell them to look at themselves very hard in the mirror and say, have we really not brought this on ourselves? The guy worked for CBS News.

I work for ABC News. I mean, I know what the deal is. Now, it's crazy since Trump got into politics. Then all of the barriers left. And it was justified by a New York Times columnist who said, look, this guy's a danger to the union, so we're not going to have any rules anymore. We're going to try to destroy them. And once in New York Times, with that posture out, then they all followed, and they thought

that they had them. They've thought that Donald Trump was done, and he rose like Dracula, and now he's going after them. Do you feel that is beneath the president of the United States to wreak that kind of vengeance? Well, I think, look, I think Donald Trump is always going to do what Donald Trump wants to do. And people who've tried to get involved in changing his mind about exacting retribution in this kind of manner, normally discover it's a bit pointless. You know, he's nearly 80 years old. He's a leopard who won't change his spots

when it comes to that kind of thing. If you read his book, The Art of the Deal, then it's all in there. Somebody punches you, punch them 10 times harder back, is his mantra, and it always has been for 50 years. So he's not going to change now. You know, I do think it's probably a little bit of a waste of time for the President of the United States

but he's got so many more important things to worry about than going after the media. But what he's really doing, Bill, I think, is he's putting them back in their box. And he's also, I think, trying to focus their minds on, why don't you just try in this term of office, unlike the first term, being a little bit more fair-minded, you know, having some more conservative voices on your network, actually not making them pariahs, not directing your audience to feel that everything that Donald Trump does is evil personified. And actually, a lot of it might be quite good. Now, when I was in London for the New York Jet Minnesota Viking game in October, I pay close attention to the media in Great Britain, and a lot of them want to interview me. I just did a big thing in Paris. I am stunned by the lack of knowledge that British journalists have about our system in America.

They don't understand how it works. They don't know. I agree. I agree. Listen, I've had the pleasure and honor of working and living in America for 20 years now. So I have a much greater knowledge, I would say, than 98% of British journalists. And they've been very lazy, particularly, I think, in their treatment of Trump, just taking a kind of very easy, simplistic narrative that everything he does is awful. And, of course, the Democrats are better people and a better party. And, of course, they're going to keep winning. And that just hasn't been borne out by events. But the British people are being a bit meek and mild now. I mean, got the BBC lined up to do exactly what the NBC news is doing here. The BBC does over there, right?

Yeah, but I would say the difference now compared to 2016, for example, or indeed Trump's whole first term, was I would say the vast majority of people in Britain had a pretty negative view of Trump in his first term, driven largely by the media from America and everyone taking their lead from that. Right across Britain, from north to south, east to west, there is a massively better, more positive feeling towards Trump from the public, from the people, not necessarily the media, but because I think they've looked at it. I'll tell you why. Because we have a left-wing socialist government now in this country. Everybody was sick and tired of the conservatives. They were no good, the conservative governments for 15 years. Honestly, a rat bag of very poor.

incompetent leaders in the main. And inevitably, they got eventually picked out of office. But what happened next was not like in 97 when Tony Blair came in and did a lot of pretty good things actually and was very, very popular. What happened here was it clearly, very quickly became clear to people that the Labour Party had not had any great plan for improving the country. Their whole stance was going to be the Conservative Party were terrible. They've driven the country into the ground. We're in terrible shape. And by the way, things are going to get worse. And their first actions were to punish financially pensioners and then to punish financially the farmers. So the lefties are, hang on, hang on. This is ridiculous.

Right. So the lefties are not succeeding in Great Britain. So by transferal, Trump looks a little bit better across the pond. Would they have it? Yeah. All right. That's it. And they look at him being very decisive and hitting in the ground very hard and running with all these executive orders. And they're like, we'd love a bit of energy and dynamism over here, please. All right, little action, right? In the House of Commons. Let's get some action going on.

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