Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News Special: O’Reilly in China

Episode Date: December 26, 2025

In this No Spin News Special, Bill O’Reilly takes you through the highlights of his China trip. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Now, why would they do that? Because Beijing puts a lot of people in the Kennedy School at Harvard, where I received a master's degree. And they do a lot of business, China, with Harvard. Very prestigious for a Chinese government official to attend Harvard University. So they keep an eye on things, and they knew that I was an alumni. Now, how did they know I was going to China? Because I made a reservation at the Four Seasons Hotel across an American Embassy, and everybody

who's from America that goes in there, the Chinese government knows within two hours. Isn't that interesting? China is the most intense surveillance state this world has ever seen by far. And I document that in my column, and again, I hope you read it. So anyway, the offer was we would like Mr. O'Reilly to come to Beijing to do a seminar, a question and answer with some Chinese government officials who are very worried about the second Trump administration. So I said, okay, because that's my job, right?

My job is to look out for you by being a journalist in assembling facts and also to look out for my country. So I'm going in. And I did. It worked out great. The Chinese are very, very respectful to me, and the rules were simple. Everything was off the record in the sense that no quotations and no names mentioned except mine, which is all right with me. They videotaped the entire, it's close to two hours. But if they use it, any of it, then I get to use it too. That's the deal we have. And I do believe they will adhere to that deal. The reason they taped it was there were even bigger shots watching this enclosed circuit. Okay. Now, when I go in, I tell the truth. But I was not as bellicose as I did.

can be. And I told them I wouldn't be. I said, I'm not here to debate you on policy. That's not what I'm here to do. You want to know something about the USA or President Trump. I will answer your question. If I don't know the answer, I will tell you, but I'm not debating. So tariffs and all that, not my job to debate. My job is to tell you what's happening in America, which I did. they accepted that and they asked good questions but it took a turn when I said I have a proposal for you which I've been working on for a while and it's called the partnership for peace and prosperity between the United States and China and I laid it out and they were stunned I said if the United States and China were to ally together and control the United States and

control the crazies of the world, Iran, Putin, other insane things, North Korea. If we were to establish an economic partnership that led to stability, that would be an unbelievable thing. Now, most Americans do not know that China and the United States is the most important story by far in the world. You mentioned China. Their eyes glaze over. They don't pay attention. They want to hear about Puff Daddy. They don't know. This is by far the most important story for you. Because what happens with the United States and China will influence how much money you get and how much money you will keep. And it is a life and death situation. Again, it is not my job to make policy for the Trump administration, but I laid out a pathway where both countries could work together. I did inform President Trump. I was going, and yesterday I debriefed him for 30 minutes on the telephone.

That was off the record. I cannot tell you what I said, but he got pretty much everything you're going to get. including the columns. And the president listened very intently and asked very good questions, which he always does when I talk to him. And I'm not patronizing anybody. I'm telling you the truth. Anyway, by far the most important thing to the Chinese government is Taiwan. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust, American Hartford Gold.

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and I said, look, the United States government under President Trump is not going to let you invade Taiwan and take it over without a brutal, and I mean that literally, a brutal reprisal. Donald Trump does not want to look at, like a weakling. He doesn't want to look like President Biden. And this was interesting. The Chinese government had no use for Biden at all, calling him weak and unfocused. No use. They're happy if Trump's in there because they think they might be able to get some deals out

of this. Now, when I was driving around China, because we went up to the Great Wall and all the pictures are on bill o'Reilly.com, I didn't see one American car. My son saw a couple. I didn't see any in Japan, I didn't see any in South Korea. So that whole tariff thing is real. There's no cars for Americans in there. And China's 1.5 billion people, five times our population. Now, I'm going to read you some questions coming up. A lot of people don't understand why the Chinese people allow this surveillance communist state. because they have never for one day known freedom. In their entire history, China has never known a day of freedom.

It's exactly the same thing in the Revolutionary War, and 50% of the colonists, the Americans, supported the king. It drove George Washington crazy. And John Hancock and Samuel Adams, they couldn't get the Tories they were called to support the revolution. because those people never knew a day of freedom. They were under the king in England. They'd come over here.

I've got freedom. What's freedom? In Beijing, the concept is just, you know, they don't have a free press. They don't see every single thing is controlled. When you are born in China, you get an ID card. You have to carry the ID card in your diaper. If you don't have it and the authorities stop you, you're arrested. Every Chinese has to carry an ID card every second of every day.

And that's just a start of it. They confiscated two of my pens for no reason. Woman was about 22 goes, I'm taking your pens. In Chinese, I had a translator. I said, why? I'm a journalist. What am I going to write with? Took the pen.

for no reason. And I mean, I'm that small ball, but just give you an idea. So anyway, on the Taiwan thing, I gave them, I said, this can be worked out. The year 2049 is a 100th anniversary of Mao Zetung's takeover, communist takeover. That's when the government wants Taiwan in the fold. But they're going to have to carve out autonomy for Taiwan for the West to go along with it. It's doable. Hard.

Very hard. Tariffs are hard. All this is hard. Okay. So I got a bunch of mail. Richard. Chinese government, not trustworthy. Okay.

They've been lying, cheating, and stealing for decades. I find it interesting that you would propose a deal that would allow them to jointly police the world. Your proposal sounds a lot like a one-world government laid out in the book of revelations. Okay, look, Richard. If you want to be a pinhead and say, we're not dealing with the Chinese because we don't trust them, then you're going to have World War III. Come in, get ready, get your food, get your bunker. Barry, Taiwan will make a break, a point of closure cooperation between China and USA.

They're enthusiastic response for you when you said a closer partnership may be necessary. was a good sign. I live in Saipan. That's Japan territory. Barry. I don't know if they were enthusiastic about me, but they weren't bored. They listened. Nancy, California, during your research trip to China, you spoke with the heads of the Chinese Communist Party in an effort to obtain a close relationship with the U.S. Instead of the Chinese wanted most was the annexation of Taiwan, which is a free country. Are you willing to sell? out Taiwan. I'm not selling out anybody. I'm trying to get an arrangement. I'm trying to avert World War III. That's what I'm trying to do. Arrangement could be made.

Andrea Malkuso, Carrollton, Texas, regarding your off-direct trip to China, you allowed to discuss the Q&A with President Trump? No. I don't I'm when I talk to the president this you know what I said this is off the record this was off the record now the Chinese knew I was talking to Trump because I told him out up top I tell everybody up front they knew I said what happens here is going back to him Richard I thank God every day I was born in the USA greatest country fortunately a politician radical activist of the country would love to have totalitarian China is not the only country guilty of this oppression. True, but it's way beyond anything.

I was in Spain when Franco was there, a bit of Cuba, Romania when the Soviets ran it. Not close. One more. Lisa. Far left could learn a thing and two about the butal communists as far as social order goes. Yeah, and San Francisco was big.

I wrote about that in the message of the day on Bill O'Reilly. message of the day on bill o're appalled they go what is this because they all have relatives living in san francisco i go this is progressivism this is what happens okay now uh the day after i left there was an announcement by secretary of state marco rubio that some chinese students would be deported big mistake i haven't heard much about it so maybe they're pulling back you don't insult your adversary, just like you don't insult Putin. Okay, that gets you nowhere if you want peace. Okay?

That's not helpful in the big picture. Jonas has a guy I personally requested to analyze my utterings about China because I think he's one of the smartest guys in a country and he's an honest man as well. He's Victor Davis-Hanson. You know him. He's a syndicated columnist. He works at the Hoover Institution, which is on the campus of Stanford University, right? Professor, that's where you're at Hoover is, right?

Okay. So you know, and there are tons. There was only one woman in the, and these were hard men, by the way, in the room where I gave this seminar, about 14 of them, 13 men, one woman who was a Stanford grad, very articulate woman, powerful woman. The other guy, she put the other guys to shame because she understood a little bit about the flow in and out of the USA where the, a lot of them didn't. They really, you know, they were very hard, core Maoists. Anyway, you've read my column, you listen to my bloviating here. What say you? Well, I think China has a, if you compare the cold, if we were

are in a cold war and a lot of people think we are and you compare that to the soviet union 50 years China has a a very different place in the relationship of the united states we had no soviet students here we had no trade agreements it was a cold war but i would like to see more of a normalization of what i think is kind of an aberrant we have 300 000 students at At Stanford, we just have a series of Stanford review articles, revealing that there was an organized espionage group of students. We had a member of the People's Liberation Army on the faculty as a visiting neuroscientist about four years ago.

The Confucius Institute was shut down. The DeVos first-term Trump Department of Education fined Stanford for not reporting a lot of contributions. So it's a, I guess what I'm saying, Bill, is that the view of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, and to a greater extent, Obama, that the more engagement you have with China, they were going to be impressed with American culture tolerance, and they were going to become emulate us. And then they would. That's not happening. No, it's not happening. It's not happening. It's not happening.

So I think the Trump position was that we had given them a sense of appeasement or laxity, and our magnanimity was reciprocated by taking advantages of rather than reciprocity. And I think right now we're in a period where when you look at China, they're building three or four nuclear warheads a month, and they plan to get up to about 1,2005 years. They have violated that we don't have much success with them on copyrights, patents, dumping the product, currency manipulation. I would like to think that maybe Hong Kong would have been an example for Taiwan, but when you look what's happened to Hong Kong, Jimmy lies in prison, they pretty much suppress

free speech. So I guess what I'm saying is because of World War II and we have a large Chinese population here, there was a natural empathy for closer relationships. And it wasn't the Cold War, Truman Eisenhower Cold War. There was a real opportunity, Americans thought, to reach out to China and to give them indulgences that we didn't, other countries that we had been. Yeah, it worked for a little while. It worked for a little while. But then she got in and she is, She's personal legacy is tied in with Taiwan. Do you believe, I said that I came up with this partnership for prosperity and peace?

And the reason that I did is because China has to feed $1.5 billion. They're hurting. Their economy needs the United States. That is the big leverage we have over them. And they are willing to make a deal, I believe. Do you believe that? I think they're willing to make a deal in the economic realm because they're suffering kind of a historic phenomenon that the more they have upward mobility rather than the population

being satisfied. It's just a human trait, human nature. They're even more ambitious for a better life. And it's very hard to fulfill the expectations of the Chinese growing middle class because they're not spending what they should on domestic. No, it's all military stuff. Yeah, it's all military. But there's Spartans over there.

But what I saw, I tested them a couple of times. I said, you're not going to get anywhere with Trump. Because it was all Trump-centric. You know, you gave a very logical and good historical analysis. That's not what they're interested in. They're interested in Trump, okay?

And I said, the first thing you have to do is knock out the fentanyl. Okay? And you know you have to knock it out. And they go, well, we are, but the precursor. I said, I don't want to hear precursor. And remember that this was translated. You know, they had the little things because half the room spoke English, half didn't.

But the instant translation, I said, I want to hear precursor. You don't need fentanyl. You don't need any of it. Knock it out. Give President Trump that. That's where you start. You don't need to be in bed with Putin. And I warned them about Putin.

I said, you can try to be his friend, but he'll turn on you like a snake. You don't need to be cutting up to the Mullers. United States will supply your energy needs in a much more benign way. They could not answer any of those things, Professor. None. And I just laid it out. I said, if you're going to consort with bad guys, evil guys, then that's what the label you're going to get.

Why do you need it? You don't need it. It doesn't help you. And that was the thrust of the 90 minutes. Yeah, I think the trumpet, and I can't speak for them, and you know them better than I do, but I think they're in this narrow Soviet, Russia, China, American relationship, they're trying to have a Kissinger paradigm where China is no better friend to Russia than it is to us. Russia is no better friend or enemy, whatever, to China than it is to us,

and triangulate and check power, because they have historic animal. homicities, China and Russia. Oh, yeah. For some reason, the Ukrainian, I think we're in a period of a real problem because they are in an alignment. But it's going to be very hard for any Chinese communist leader, as it is for Putin in a dictator, but even more so, I think, when you have an totalitarian ideology, Putin is kind of like a dictator that makes it up as he goes along ideologically.

but whether it's Iran that is ideological and totalitarian or China, it's very hard for those leaders to compromise their ideology because they have a whole group of people surrounding them that don't respond to the same incentives as either Western democracies or dictatorships where they... I'll tell you why, there wasn't a lot of love for Putin or Iran in that room. They don't care about the Ukraine, the Chinese, and they don't care about it. Okay, but there wasn't a lot of love.

Obviously, I've reported over the last two weeks about my trip to Beijing and that this is the most important story in the world, detente between the United States and China. So, in London, there were two days of negotiations. Here's how the president summed it up, quote, I deal with China's done, subject to final approval with the president Xi and me, full magnets, and any necessary rare earths will be supplied up front by China. Likewise, we will provide to China, was agreed to including Chinese students using our colleges and universities, which has always been good with me. We're getting a total of 55 percent tariffs. China is getting 10 percent. Relationship is excellent, unquote. And I did talk to the president.

He is very optimistic about his continued dealings with President Xi. I'm not so optimistic. I'm neutral. Not pessimistic. I had a big phone call late yesterday afternoon after we taped the No Spin News with the mediator for the Chinese. You know, they're tough boys. They are tough boys. It's going in the right direction.