Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News Special: The Fate of New York

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

In this No Spin News Special, Bill talks with Rafael A. Mangual and Bo Dietl about the fate of New York and the challenges it faces. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Joining us now as if retired New York City police detective, Bo Diedel. You know him. He's a movie star now. He's in Godfather of Harlem. He play Genevice. Is that who you're playing now? You're some mom guy? Tommy Gambino.

Gambino. Genovese, Gambiero. No, no, no. Tommy Lucchese. You got me wrong. I don't even know who I'm playing anymore. You don't even know. All right. So you're Lucchese. All right. But in your real life, your Bo Diedel, who had a very distinguished career in the NYPD, as did my grandfather. I'm so outraged about this. I tell you, I can't get any angrier. Can you explain this to me? I just, it's just part of the patent bill that has happened. This is the George Floyd effect on and on with the death.

Since 2020, when these pieces of garbage were able to demonstrate, burn, assault, actual, some murders involved, the prosecution. Everyone turned against the police, defund the police. Now you have, in New York State, because we have to start with the state, you have an assembly and you have a Senate that will not pass any kind of bills in support of the police. Then you have a city council here that has taken away every aspect. of what the police officers can do. Now they also have this diaphragm law. When you're fighting with someone, if you get them into a headlock,

that's illegal. Immediately when a cop gets someone in a headlock or gets on top of them, they file a suit against them. The charges are dropped. They testify against the cop. Then you've got district attorneys. Like you just pointed out with this case,

these officers were beat pretty bad. There were stitches involved and everything. That's why it's assault to a felony. And I'm outraged, Bill, listening to what you just said that this is put off. That's the DAs and the damn judges when they put these liberal judges in there. I mean, a judge is supposed to make a judgment call. When you've got animals like this, if they're going to assault the police officer the way they did, imagine what they'll do to a regular person.

You and be our children on the streets. Right. These people are career criminals anyway, and they know that, and they put them back on the street. But in order to counter this, Bo, you would have to have an organized police presence with demonstrations, with signs, with pressure, with the media, and you don't have anything. Not one word. They have turned us down on every request to come in and condemn this whole case. They will not do it. Do you know why? No, I don't know why, but I'm going to tell you something.

I was with Kaz Doctry. The deputy mayor of public safety last night I had dinner up and Campionola's ward him. And we had dinner. And this is one of the issues that he told me he wanted me to get back on. And I promise you one thing. I told him I was going to be on your show.

And I said, I want answers. Why? Now, when you go to the unions, you have a PBA, you have a DEA. I'm still a member to the DEA. But I'm going to reach out to the president of the PBA And you are exactly right.

There should be demonstrations going on in front of that DA's office in the Bronx. This is an outrage. And I'm really, really side with you on this one, Bill. That's where I came from. But now it's not, it's a moral outrage. It's just wrong. It's indefensible. But there's more than that.

It demoralizes every single police officer in the city. Because they know they could be beaten. and they could be next. And nothing is going to happen to them because of the Darcel Clarks of the world, but their own people aren't defending them. How can you ask people to put their lives on the line every day

in a dangerous city like New York when they know nobody's got their back? That's why, Bill, more police officers in New York City are retiring than ever before. They can't recruit people. to come on to the New York City Police Department. And a lot of people don't know if they're doing their jobs, completely legally, they still could be sued civilly.

That's like the poor cop that has a little house out in Levittown paying his mortgage or her mortgage. And next thing is they get sued civilly and they take his house or her house away. And right now what's going on, they cannot bring people on the police department. And they're lowering their standards, Bill. This is a craziness. Then we got some fool running for mayor that wants to defund the police department. And he's getting more votes than anybody.

For our audience who doesn't live in New York City and doesn't really know how intense it is, describe when you were on the job, okay? And then now, how big a difference? Well, we had tremendous support, we had tremendous support from, Union's, even the higher echelon of the police department. I was very active. I made over 1,500 felonies. I was a decoyed cop, 500 times I was mugged, hospitalized 30 times stab shot and all that. When I got no fight with somebody and I had to do necessary force, let's not call it a beating. Let's call it necessary force. I'm fighting so you don't get my gun. I punched him.

I hit him with their hand radio. I did whatever I had to do to get him or her, not too many hers, definitely get them restrained. And you know what? I said what I did and why I did it. And I was supported. I was the recipient of 40 civilian complaints. I'm very proud every one of them. And you know what?

I was never founded on one of them because all I did was my job. And I told the truth and that's it. I'm out there and I'm with my partner. I'm fighting with a guy with a knife or a gun. I want to make sure my partner goes home safely and I go home safely. And I did what I had to do, reasonable force. Today, now you've got video cameras. What they do is after the cop gets punched,

they take the video of the second part of the cop arresting them, not the original incident that occurred. And with the advent of these cell phones, that's a destruction to the police department also. Could you do the job today? Because I know you love being a detective. I mean, you like the work and all of that. Could you do it today?

No, and I think I would actually maybe break my son's arm if he wanted to become a New York City cop, I would not let him. Nobody I love will I let come on in the police department. It's a disgrace of what it's become, and I feel horrible. Now you have more than 55, 60% of the police department have under five years. That means you have inexperienced people out there that don't really want to do any kind of reaction. We used to go out there and we used to find the crime before these guys committed to crime. find the bad guys.

There's no proactivity with the police. Don't get involved. Drive by. I've seen them drive by many of times where they're not getting involved. Oh, crime is down because no one is reporting anything. Forget quality of life. So if you're a drug addict and you're sitting in front of a school with a needle in your neck, cops aren't going to do anything to you.

No, and no, that's it. You can walk on these streets right now. I'm on Fifth Avenue, 42nd Street, right by Bryant Park for people around the country, the heart of New York City. You can walk out there any time and you have people there. You can't wear watches. You can't do this.

Everyone's scared stiff. Forget about getting on a train. You know, you go on a train, you take your life in hand. My son, who's 30 years old, my son, Bo. He goes, Bo, Dad, you know what I do? I do no eye contact. He goes, if I do eye contact,

I can get in a fight every two minutes with people. Last question. When you don't have an effective, justice system, which in New York City, we do not. And you're right, it's the laws that Andrew Cuomo signed, Hockel, comes all the way down. When you have a system that is collapsed, let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.

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when they're doing their jobs. And when your district attorney, the prosecutor, don't support you. What the hell do police officers have? They have nothing. There you've got these judges, these liberal judges, that don't care about the cops or don't care about the public. All they care about is the criminal element. This is what's wrong, Bill.

Bill. And I tell you what, you talk about no spin zone. This is a spin into the toilet bowl for America across this country. Yeah, it's happening across the country. Not just in New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Baltimore, on and on. All right, boy, you stay safe out there. And it's a good show, Godfather Harlem. I'm one of the few that I actually watch. Great. And it's very amusing. Tommy Lucchasey. Tommy Luckezy. You played a gangster when your whole life, you're trying to put those guys away. No, no, no. I go to, Bill, I grew up with John Gotti.

I went one way. They won another way. Yeah, but you didn't like John Gotti. Well, no comment. New York City is kind of in an uproar. Would that be fair? With the mayoral race coming up fast, we got Cuomo, we got Mayor Adams, and we have ma'am Donnie.

Now, the radical socialism is in D.C. today trying to say to people, hey, well, I'm not that bad. It's exactly what Fidel Castro did in 1958. In fact, after he deposed Batista became the dictator of Cuba, Castro came to New York City to the United Nations to tell everybody, hey, I'm not a communist, don't worry about me. I'm okay. I believe in freedom. Yeah, okay, Fidel. Anyway, Mandami loves Fidel, and almost word for word spouts the gibberian. that led to the destruction of Cuba to this day. Now, Governor Hogle is real nervous.

Number one, most New Yorkers don't like her because he's very weak governor. And number two, she knows, ma'am Dhani, big trouble, if he gets elected, that there'll be a tremendous exodus out of the city and the tax base for New York State will collapse. So here's what Hockel said. this morning go i've spoken to hundreds of business leaders saying listen nothing is going to happen

to this city without me being aware of it and involved in it so don't talk about packing up and leaving and all these other you know overreactions we're going to be okay no matter what happens and so i've had to do a lot of i've become the therapist in chief it seems so saying everybody we're going to be okay no we're not we're not okay now, right? The quality of life in New York City has declined so dramatically in the last 15 years that it's stunning. Don't give me that. We're not going to be okay and you can't control anything. You're part of the problem, governor. Your permissive, far-left agenda has led to violent criminals running wild, the demoralization of what was once the best police agency in the world,

the New York City cops, the highest taxes in the country, an infrastructure that's collapsing, fear, pot smoke everywhere in the city, everywhere you go, children subjected to indignities as drug addicts run wild on the street doing all kinds of depraved things. This is all under your watch. So don't tell me that you're going to control Mandani, you're not. And you know you can't stop anybody from leaving, people are packing up now. You know, the outflow of folks from New York State and City is enormous. Only California and Illinois are worse.

And those states mirror what's going on here, far-left governance. So I got no confidence at all that the New York State legislatures can control the communist Mandani if he is elected governor. And that might not happen. I mean, it's dicey. People are starting to get a little nervous, even the radicals. But there is a tremendous force of voters who want to destroy the entire system. And I can understand that.

I work my way up from nothing, from Levittown to, I think, the highest level in the country, as far as income and notoriety is concerned. I did it on my own, and anybody helping me. Barack Obama once said to me in a debate, oh, you didn't do that on your own bill. Yeah, I did. Okay? I did.

I paid for everything. I didn't have any uncle in the business, Mr. President. So unlike you, I didn't get a lot of money to put myself through school. I paid. And that's not a slap at Obama. I mean, you had a very tough upbringing in Hawaii. So the people who will vote for them, Donnie, are the people who have given up.

They hate the rich, they know that they're not going to be wealthy, they don't live in nice places, they have to scramble to survive, and they want to blow it up. That it. It's like being a kid in school, you hate the school. You get bullied every day. You're flunking. You don't have any friends.

So you want to burn a school down? Yeah? You may not burn the school down, but you want to. and it's easy to cast a ballot in that direction. That's what this guy is running on. Hopelessness. And of course, he's going to make it worse. All right.

People are going to leave. Tax revenue is going to collapse. Public disorder will rise. Police will flee and get other judges. jobs or retire. And the folks voting for this guy don't care a wit. All right, now, we have a mayoral race coming up, as everybody knows. And this ma'am Donnie, who won the Democratic primary, is a communist.

And he wants to basically, he's not going to admit anymore. He said to defund the police, even though he said that. but he is anti-police he doesn't believe in uh and the only thing is keeping new york city even afloat is the police department that's it okay and he'll not attack but he'll marginalize the police department if he wins are you with me so far rafiel do you agree with that i'm with you so far yeah okay 100% go even further okay i think he's probably go even further let's say let's play a conservative here. Okay, you know, let's just do that. Because the city's quality of life is so far out of control now, the man is going to make it worse. And that'll lead to an exodus of affluent people

out of New York City and state, taking their tax revenue with them. Your mayor, Raphael, okay? This happened before. This happened before Giuliani came in after a series of weak mayors and cleaned it up. Could that happen again? Oh, it could absolutely happen again. We know not only from history that we've been able to clean up a mess far bigger than the one that we have now,

but we also have the lessons that were learned during that period of how to do it. We also have the technology to do it much more efficiently and quickly now. So there really is a key component here, and you put your finger on it earlier, which is that the NYPD has to be front and center in this effort.

And that is one of the things that I do think scares voters about this Zoran Mamdani character, because not only is he on the record multiple times saying that he wants to defund and abolish the NYPD, not to mention jails and prisons, and all of those things that help keep us safe, but even as he's moderated or pretended to moderate on those positions, he's moderated to a level

that is still unsatisfactory. I mean, the most recent thing that I think he said was that he would try to maintain the current force level that the NYPD has. Well, the current force level that the NYPD has is significantly below the ideal. 10,000. The turn of the century. It's 10,000 below what a JPEC's what. Okay, so say that he, I don't think he's going to win. I think Tom's going to happen here. And this mass, this shooting is going to hurt him. I'm donning. So he gets people's attention and I'm going to vote for a soft-on-crime guy, it's going to hurt him. But what has to happen in the city? You say the police

have to take the lead, I agree. But the police can arrest as many people as they want. If the judges are just kicking them back to the street because of the state legislature, signed by Cuomo, another person running for mayor, then there's no solution. You arrest, the guy goes in, the judge lets him out. He commits more crimes, right? That's exactly right. So the bail reform as well as the two other recent state-level reforms to the state's discovery laws, which impose administrative burdens on prosecutors who have to now do significantly more work to bring cases such that they have to triage and choose which cases they're going to prosecute in which they're going to allow to be dismissed for failure to comply with these regulations.

But also there was a juvenile justice bill that was passed in 2018 called the Raise the Age Law, which basically makes it impossible to incarcerate 16 and 17-year-olds who can be insuriously. Right, no matter what they do. All right. So you can't put it. That's exactly right. So what is the solution?

Let me just quickly tell you the worst part about all of this, because even if we were to fix the NYPD, and even if we were convinced the legislature to undo these bad laws, Rikers Island, which is New York City's jail complex, is set to close in August of 2027. and there is not going to be a jail system that is going to be ready to replace it. I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen. The feds will take it over. I sure hope not. Okay, but again, I'm wanting solutions here. You say if we can convince Albany to do X and Y, you know what the state is. The highest tax state in the union is run by far left people and the democratic machine. I don't think it's realistic. They may moderate a little bit because Hockel is really.

underwater in the governor campaign, but in the city itself, you've had such poor leadership for 12 years. I mean, what is a new mayor going to come in? What is he going to do? What should he do? I think the most important thing that the mayor can do is, A, keep Jessica in charge of the MIP. Okay, that's a police commissioner. She's done a good job. I agree. Tish stays. Invest in hiring at least 7 to 10,000 more police. police officers and to do it very, very quickly without, and this is the real challenge, without maintaining the lower standards that they have gone to. Look, they can't even get people to sign up because the police officers don't want to come into a system where they make an

arrest and it doesn't matter. And if you're a police officer in New York City, immoralized for it. Right. If you make one mistake, you're going to be sued civilly or charged criminally. Who wants to go into a system like that? You're never going to get 10,000. people to come in, ever. Ontario, the weight is over. The gold standard of online casinos has arrived. Golden Nugget online casino is live. Bringing Vegas-style excitement and a world-class gaming experience right to your fingertips.

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Puggetcasino.com for details. Please play responsibly. That's exactly right. I mean, and this is the real challenge because what people don't really understand is that as bad as the recruiting and retention crisis in the NYPD is now, it's about to get significantly worse over the next couple years because we have several thousand officers who are going to become eligible for retirement. And they're going to take it. Because I do think that that's the case. Right.

So there are things that I do think that the next mayor can do to innovate and make the job more attractive to high-quality candidates. And one of those things. I'm not sure. Not with that legislative. Our final question. Your opinion is that it has to come from law enforcement. The changes in the city and the quality of life changes have to come from the police themselves.

I don't think that's possible. When you have marijuana smoke on every city, on every block in the city, when you, on every block in the city, have Alvin Bragg and Darcell Clark, D.A.s of Manhattan and the Bronx. And these people do not want to prosecute most crimes. You know that. I know that. The stats show that. The cops can't do it by themselves. And if you have a weak mayor and none of the candidates, we asked to have the Republican running Curtis Slewa on as a guest tonight to show, he put out his platform. he wouldn't come on you don't want to come up against me he doesn't want to answer specific questions so i assume a democrat will win and the democrat will just do with the other democrats maybe not

quite as bad Cuomo's not going to be as bad as uh de Blasio but is he a reformer Cuomo no last word no yeah i certainly don't think quom was a reformer in fact his name is on many of the pieces of legislation that are causing a lot of the problems that we are still dealing with but I do think it's going to take a mayor that has recognized that the problems lie in Albany, that those laws need to change, and who is committed to investing in the NYPD and putting pressure using the bully pulpit on people like Alvin Bragg and Darcell Clark to do more and to do more quickly. I don't know. This city needs about six months of martial law, and that's what it needs. And if it doesn't get it, it's going to be next year at this time.

100 times worse than now. And that's, that's going to be, there's going to be disorder in the streets. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. Sign up and start watching today.