Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - August 10

Episode Date: August 10, 2024

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Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. All right, let's go to immigration because the Democrats are trying to turn this around saying that the Biden-Harris administration was right on a case, despite the open border, despite more than 10 million undocumented migrants coming into this country. And they were on it. And that they introduced a great bill that would stop all of America. madness. They did this three and a half years after the madness began, but common was going, no, we're on it, on it, on it. And Trump is the guy who derailed it. Roll the tape. Our administration worked on the most significant border security bill in decades. Some of the most conservative Republicans in Washington, D.C., supported the bill. Even the border patrol endorsed it. It was all set to pass. But at the

last minute, Trump directed his allies in the Senate to vote it down. Okay, now all of what she said is true except for the most significant border security bill. There was no security in the bill. None. None. I read the bill. I never would have voted for the bill, and I want to solve the problem. I'm not playing politics with this.

So the bill would have allocated hundreds of billions of dollars, more money, basically to set up a bigger bureaucracy down there. More judges, more places for the migrants to go, more food, more clothing. But it did nothing, nothing to stop the millions of people trying to get in here. No wall, no penalties. if you're caught crossing the border illegally, no penalties, nothing. Why would you vote for a bill like that? So anyway, the Democrats are trying to turn us around, and some Americans will believe it, I guess, but it's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous.

And I'll prove my point now. So the Biden administration has tightened up asylum. rules. And that's why the amount of people has dropped trying to get in here, but that's not the primary reason. The primaries is 120 degrees down there. But the Biden administration has tightened up the rules. So border patrol agents can send people back quicker. But in association with that, the Biden administration has expanded areas where migrants can apply for asylum. Okay, it's not just ports of entry. Now it's all across. It's much easier. And then they're letting them in while their cases are adjudicated. So what do you think is going to happen?

This is a ruse, a big, big ruse. And it's obviously a vulnerability for Kamala Harris trying to turn it around. Question is, will it work? Joining us now from Long Island, New York, is Elena Shetsova, who is an immigration attorney from Belarus, and she came to the United States, got legally, got her law degree, and now represents immigrants, represents migrants, okay? So that's why we wanted to speak with her. Number one, have I reported this accurately in your opinion, counselor? For the most part, we do have certain points in existing

rules that would cover some points that you made. For example, we do already have civil penalties for those who enter the border illegally. The trouble is they're not enforced. Also, with regard to asylum, ability to seek asylum, it's always been the case at least in 1980s with a person entitled to off for asylum in the United States, regardless of their manner of entry.

Whether they're entering at the point of entry or with people now between the president. Okay. Now, you know this area as well as anybody because you do this for a living and people come to you and they're trying to get here legally. I would assume that your practice is trying to do this legally. But you know that in Venezuela, a third of the population has left that country,

most of whom have tried to get to the United States, and now Maduro, the president there, won't accept anybody being deported back to Venezuela. So once the Venezuelans get here, and there are plenty of them on Long Island, okay, they got to stay here because their country won't take them back. Biden and Harris didn't do anything to temper that,

did they? No, in fact, during the Biden administration, they established a new program, making it easier for people. Yeah, making it easier. So all it is is just propaganda from Kamala Harris blaming Trump for this, oh, we were going to go and solve this problem. If this bill had passed, that wouldn't have solved the problem at all, in my opinion. Am I wrong?

I wouldn't disagree to some extent, because I do believe that the bill that's going to be. for complete funding in the border. And I think that's something that I personally supporting. I believe that increased funding wouldn't allow to at least partially to address the problem. The border needs more agents. I know that we have a deal with more democracy. But look, look, we had under Trump, and I'm not promoting Trump in his campaign, but there was a remain in Mexico policy.

where you could apply for asylum, you could apply for whatever you wanted to apply for, but you had to wait there until your case was adjudicated. That largely worked, correct? I would disagree from my point of me. The trouble was that if you are remaining in Mexico, you wouldn't be able to have the same access to justice as when you thought in the United States. But counselor, counseling. We don't have the resources to do the justice.

that you would like for 50 million people all over the world. You can't do it. Perhaps, but we can improve the system that we have, so at least we can address and help most of these people. But you know that most of the people in the world in distress want to come here. And if you allow them to come here to wait until they're... It takes five years.

Now, to adjudicate some of these asylum claims. You're just overrunning the country with people who can't support themselves. Look at New York City. Look at all the other cities going bankrupt because of this. The remaining Mexico policy eliminated all of that. Last word. Correct. But it's only because the immigration laws were not improved in the past 30 to 40 years.

if we have an immigration inform, comprehensive immigration inform, that would call for expedited employment associations, that would call for independent immigration judges, it would call for... There aren't enough judges in the world. They just aren't. The numbers are staggering. And that is the national security problem we have.

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You don't want to miss an episode. Now, I got a guess is where I just told you. I'm going to call him, and he just wrote in on a cart. He's sitting down there in Palo Alto, California, the Silicon Valley Capitol, Victor Davis Hanson, you know him. Today, an updated version of his book, The Case for Trump, comes on out. So Mr. Hansen is making the rounds. We're happy to have him.

So you know this woman as well as anybody, because you live in California, and you've watched her from DA and San Francisco. San Francisco rise up to now a presidential candidate. And I want you to correct me if I'm wrong. But I think that Vice President Harris would like to turn the United States into California. That's her model. Am I wrong? No, you're right on target, Bill.

And you're also on target about the selection historically of Governor Walts. We've never seen it. Even Bill Clinton picked Al Gore in the days in Al Gore. was considered a Southern Democrat before he kind of lost his mind. And we remember John Kerry picked Lieberman, who was to the right of him. And they all do that. Even McGovern picked Sergeant Shriver. He had to, but before that it was Eagleton who had to step down.

So I don't think, and even Hillary picked Tim Cain, who was to the right of her. So we've never seen a left-wing candidate, as you said, this far left, But we've never seen somebody almost inexplicably, and you gave reasons why she did, but it still seems inexplicable, that she would pick someone that would emphasize that she's out of touch with the American people. And I think it shows you that they have confidence in a paradigm that worked in 2020 with Joe Biden. They outraged Trump three to one, three and a half to one, maybe. They think they can do that again. They kept Biden, who was cognitively challenged in the basement.

they think that she's linguistically challenged and you're right about that they're not going to give her an occasion to reveal that they're confident that they change the voting laws in the swing state so 70% of the voters will not be voting on election day majority of them Democrats and then they feel that they repackaged Joe Biden into a moderate that's going to be harder as you point out given her record but they're going to try to do it and and they have an advantage because this is dumped on us. She hasn't been a candidate. She's never won a primary. She's never won a delegate. We only have 90 days left. And you've made another good point about Donald Trump. He doesn't have a minute, an hour a day to get off message about what you just talked about. He's got to drill home. Do you

really want to have this woman do to the United States what she did to California? She's hard left. Her running mate is his hard left. We've never been in this territory. Here are her positions. And he doesn't have time to go off to Kemp or the Attorney General of Georgia or the DNA of Kamala Harris. But he has a rich target, but he doesn't have much time to get her out and let her talk. Because to let her talk is to turn people off. And he's got to find a way to do that. All right, but he still makes mistakes almost on a daily basis in his rallies. And you would think, look, it's not like Professor that Donald Trump is a dumb man.

he's not. He's a brilliant man. I've known him for 32 years. And he can absorb information fairly quickly. And he understands big picture. He's not like you and me. He doesn't research and he doesn't have a frame of reference that we, because we've devoted our life, to studying the country in the world in a historical sense. He doesn't have that. But when presented with information, he can absorb it. And he's articulate enough to get it out. But he doesn't seem to be able to control himself. And that's what the Democrats are banking on, that he will continue to do this kind of Kemp stuff,

election of 2020 stuff, until the end. And that'll be enough to give it to Kamala. Yeah, I think what they're thinking is, and I think what Trump is thinking, he felt that after the debate meltdown with Biden And then the panic in which hit one point, he was eight-point. He'll pull ahead. And then the conventional wisdom that Biden was still going to be the candidate

because the left had admitted they had a Spiro Agnew type of vice president that had saved Nixon for a while. And then when they forced Biden out and they put in Harris, everybody thought this was going to be even worse. But it wasn't because of the money that came in. and keeping her secluded. And I don't think Donald Trump has shifted gears yet. He still thinks he's in the lead.

He still thinks it's valuable to say how bad Biden did in the debate, how bad Biden was, how bad is. But he doesn't quite, he hasn't shifted gears to realize that Biden is irrelevant now. Do you think he can shift gears, Professor? Do you think he can? You do, okay.

I think you've talked to the people around him, Bill. You know that if you were to compare, them to the 2016 and 2020 cast. They're a lot more polished. They're more professional. And when you said they're worried or they are, I have talked to some of them too. And they know exactly what he has to do. And they've told him exactly what he has to do. And they've told him that if he doesn't do it, he's going to, but he's going to, we're going to lose because we've never been in this territory. We've never had anybody this left wing. And they're going to, they may, if they win the Senate and the House with her,

then I'm not very confident for what's going to happen to us. I think it's going to be a disaster. Well, that brings you to my next question. So you got a lot of billionaire money, and we have been investigating, and we put the people up, Reed, Hastings, Lincoln, a lot of billionaire money coming behind Kamala Harris. Do these people not know that if this far-left cabal gets power, congressional and executive power,

that a wealth tax is coming. And they're going to seize private property. You're going to seize what these billionaires have in a big way. Do they don't care about that? So why do they keep funding the far-left candidates? They do because they feel so far they've never been subject to the consequences of their left-wing ideology. If you're Mark Zuckerberg or you're Reid Hoffman or the Google people, they always feel that they can, virtue signal about the wonders of teachers' unions, their kids are in private school, how we need

30 kilowatt, you know, 30 cents a kilowatt power in California, but they live on a cool coast and they have enough money. They don't care. And that goes down the line on every issue, on fracking, you know, everybody's going to drive an EV semi-truck and charge up every two hours, but they're going to fly their golf streams or be met at the air. That's how they think. And they don't think in their wildest dreams that these left-wing politicians that they think they bought and owned will ever be able to impinge on their lifestyle. They may raise taxes. They like that because they really despise the upper upper middle class, professional classes and middle class. They see them as trying to aspire to where they are or something like that.

And I just don't think they feel that they're in danger. Some of them do. People like, you know, Elon Musk understands that these people are basically socialist. But even if they weren't socialist, we owe $37 trillion almost in debt. It's a $1.2 trillion a year to service it. Historically, when you get in that situation of 130% GDP that you owe, you either inflate the currency to pay it back or you cancel the debt. And we saw a little bit of that with Obama when he reavert.

remember that bill, he reversed the order of the creditors on those, that car deal. Yeah, there are games you can play. Yeah, but I don't. It's going to come, right. You can't postpone Armageddon. No, you can't. And I think what they're, and I think you're right about confiscation, because they have to.

They have to. They have, they have said. It's the only way to do it is to take private property from those who are wealthy. That's the only way to do it because they wouldn't drill. in Anwar, and then you use the profits to pay down a debt, which is a way you could do it, but they won't do it because the polar bears might be upset, you know, or something crazy like that. Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show

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actually talk about, the juicy details in the worlds of politics, business, pop culture, and everything in between. It's what you want from the New York Post wrapped up in one snappy show. Ask your smart speaker to play the NY Postcast podcast. Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right. They said that. They have said that. Because you wrote the book, because you wrote the book on Trump, when he selected J.D. Vance, I was agnostic about it. I mean, I know him. I don't know him personally, Vance. Never met him. But I know he'll billy elegy and I know what he campaigned on. I was agnostic about it because you give the candidates a little room to select people they feel comfortable with. But now we have,

we're three weeks in. I don't see him as being a plus right now. Vance. Maybe he will emerge one. How do you see it? Well, I saw when he did it for taking a hit because I've known him and I've met him and I like him. I thought there would be a bad three to four weeks because when he came out of the hillbilly elegy, he was an ebullation. And by the way, the people who really welcome were the left because they said this is an authentic voice of the working class white Americans and he's telling us how pathological they are. And until he got turned off by those people who he wasn't comfortable, they welcomed him. So he said things as you remember when he's in his mid-30s about Trump and MAGA and all that, that was going to be very

problematic. So I was aware of that. And then he's a white male and he's a MAGA, so he's sort of like Waltz and Harris, and he duplicates Trump. But then I thought, well, once they clear that out, there are some assets, and there are a lot of them. He's, of all the people, I think under 50 in the Republican Party, he's the best adept at repartee, interviews, ex-temporary talk in a way that nobody, like Harris couldn't do that, Waltz couldn't. So if he's out there every day, challenging reporters, taking questions, explaining what Trump is doing, and that's a plus. Well, I hope he comes on here because so far we're not making a lot of progress. Yeah, I mean, it's almost inexplicable. Last question for you.

We want people to read your book, even if they don't support Donald Trump, because your arguments, and I've said this on the air, when you're not involved, you know, that I think you're one of the few columnists that are better than I am. I mean, I hate to admit that, but you back up what you say. And I try to do that too. I mean, it's not ideological gibberish. It's here's how I see it. This is why I see it. And that's most valuable.

So the case for Trump, I want you to nail down in about a minute. what is the biggest thing why people should vote for Trump? Well, he is unattached to the vested interest. He may have vested interests of his own, but they are not the administrative state in Washington, New York, or Silicon Valley. So he comes in there with an adversarial point of view. The downside was he didn't have anybody supporting him in either party.

He was inexperienced this time around, Hopefully, he will have that combative idea, and he understands that the real problem in this country is the unelected. We've got two or three million people working for the federal and state governments, and they're not elected, and they control our lives in the EPA, IRS, CIA, Pentagon. And they destroyed his first administration, if you think of the Mueller investigation. They probably heard him in his re-election with the laptop disinformation and all that, and he understands that. I don't know of a lot of Republicans who say we've got to address the administrative state. The other thing is almost everything I support, but the big thing he's going to have to deal with is a debt. And so far he hasn't done that.

And I think he could very easily. Well, the Anwar thing alone, the Anwar thing alone would generate trillions of dollars over 10 years to pay down that debt. And all that is, right. It's not complicated. You sell that oil on the world market, and that means that weakens Russia right there. Okay. It weakens OPEC.

And then the profits all go, because it's federal land, all go to paying the debt down. That's it. It's what he's talked about that. And so that's, I think he's the only person. And the other thing is he has a, The other side is never going to do it. Right.

No, he has a, finally, he has a Reagan streak and he's upbeat. It's not what we can't do. We shouldn't do. We can't do this. It's, we're going to do this. And we're going to try this. And we're going to. So that's, that's reassuring that there's somebody who says, we're not through yet.

But believe me when I tell you, Reagan listened to his advisors, probably too much. Because Reagan was not, Trump, different drummer and all. So anyway. You got to remember, Bill. You know better than I that phrase. Let Reagan be Reagan. Remember that? Right.

Well, Trump would be smart to look back at Reagan, and particularly in the debates and things like that. Reagan listened to his people. Anyway, you're welcome anytime on this program, Professor. We wish you the best with the book, the case for Trump, want everybody to check it out, easy to get. Amazon and all that. And when my book comes out, I'm going to send you an advance copy.

copy because you're a historian. I want you to be ruthless on me. Oh, come on and I'll talk to you about it. Yeah, but I want you to be ruthless when you come on and say it all I guess. So that would be- I don't think I'm ever gratuitously ruthless, but I'm candid. No, no, but you're a smart guy. And I want that kind of a debate. I think the folks would really like it too. All right, so thanks very much for coming on. We really appreciate it. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Joining us now from Alexandria, Virginia, is Dustin Olson. He's a poster for American Pulse Research and Polling.

They work for both Republicans and Democrats. And he hosts a podcast, Political Trade Secrets. Oh, we love that. We love trade secrets on this program. Okay. So you just did a poll, American Pulse, right? 1,035 likely voters, and likely voters is the category you should be in. Republican 40, Democrat 37, independent, 20, fair sampling.

And the first question was this. Would you say the country is generally headed in the right or wrong direction? Right direction 27, wrong 58. So if that's the case, Dustin, 58 to 27, how can Harris be tied with Trump? It's really quite amazing. Actually, I've been going through the summer and as a pollster and your tracking thing, starting actually with the Manhattan conviction and then ending up with the debate

and then with the assassination attempt and went R&C and then Biden dropping out. There's been so many historic things. It's really been very difficult to actually pull and not have your poll completely thrown out. So after about a week of Kamala Harris being in the race, we thought we'd go into the field and see just kind of where the American people has ended up.

And one thing that's clear to me that has had an impact is her favorability. Actually, about a month ago, she was less popular than both Biden and Trump. And she's now more popular than both of them. Biden hasn't changed much. Trump has actually increased his favorability ever since the assassination attempt.

But she's had a really big bump. And I do think it's largely based off of the fawning media coverage. In our survey, we track where people get their news. And if you look at kind of the legacy media, it makes up about 50% of the electorate gets their information from there. that's largely what it was. Also, it's a contrast. You look at Joe Biden where he was a month ago, we were starting to see the bottom fallout, and you had states like New Hampshire, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, that were starting to come into play. And if that happened, it would have been a whack-a-mole scenario for the Democrats

where they just couldn't have kept up with all these competitive states. And ultimately, having somebody who wasn't Biden was a big contrast for Democrats and I do see some intensity and energy back with Democrats as well as the improved favorability which is a pollster we

think that's fairly predictive as to where things are going. Okay. I would expect to have a little bit of... I think that's logical but I think you're leaving out the skin color vote. Potentially in our survey 22.3% of African Americans are supporting Donald Trump, which I was quite shocked at, actually,

post-Kamal Harris joined the race. So Harris coming up in the favorability zone, who has shifted into her liking her more than they did? It's not people of color? Yeah. So there's going to be some of that, though we also had Hispanics where Trump's winning by 5%. And we really worked hard to have a representative sample of minorities.

I think it's largely people that weren't really participating that are now more energized. Also, you have postgraduates who were pretty postgraduate. Anybody who has anything above a college degree, that's where a lot of the intensity is for her. And they seem to be jazzed up about it. I don't want to get too technical about it. But the surge, I think, has two or three points of skin color voting in it. Now, I'd love to see a survey on whether Americans understand what Kamala Harris is promoting. See, my theory is they don't understand what this Harris Walls ticket is.

They couldn't understand it if, as I spelled out my talking points memo, It's so bad for the working-class family and for individual freedom. I mean, it's off the chart that. When you're the governor of Minnesota and most of your constituency are working-class farming people, and you're the fifth highest-taxed state union? It's just inconceivable, and I don't think most people understand that. I don't want to be arrogant about it, but the dumb vote, I think, is more substantial than it's ever been in modern history. history.

Potentially, I, you know, when it comes to policy, and I think I've seen you talk about this quite a bit, really Republicans should be focused on policy. We tracked, you know, inflation in the economy, immigration on the border, also abortion. And really on the first two issues, inflation and immigration, Donald Trump has a majority of Americans trusting him better to handle that over Kamala Harris. let me give you the data to the folks that you assembled so uh who do you trust better to handle the economy and inflation trump 51 harris 45 that's a pretty high number for harris though i mean people are paying 20 25 percent more now than they did when trump was in office for essentials

Then you have securing the border, Trump 54, Harris 42. Now, this is the number that comes into play in the dumb vote. Kamala Harris is not going to secure the border, ever. She's going to let all these foreign nationals in, and the American taxpayer is going to pick up their education, health, and welfare costs. And 42% of Americans don't know. that? Yeah. Well, it's interesting on the immigration issue. We also ask the question about people's approval of the Biden-Harris administration on the border. And the disapproval is higher

than the support for Trump handling that, which tells me that there is a difference between that they've been able to give himself enough daylight between the Biden-Harris administration and the Harris candidacy. And I do think there's going to be a closing of that difference. But right now, they've given themselves enough daylight that she can kind of start fresh. The media is giving it to them. They haven't given themselves. The media is peddling as lies that, you know, Harris did X, Y, and Z. Final thing you have is foreign policy.

Trump 49, Harris 47. So we had no wars of any, you know, consequence under Trump for four years. Now we've got Ukraine, Middle East, blowing up, Afghanistan embarrassment, all under Trump, Harris. And 47% of the half the people think that the Democrats do a bit of job in foreign policy. Again, this is the only explanation is the dumb vote. Yeah. I don't think there's any other explanation on earth, but please correct me if I'm wrong. Well, I think it's largely based on the media.

Your media gives you your reality for the most part. And if half of America is getting their media from sources that are telling them that she's great, she'll be great on foreign policy, she'll be great on the economy, etc. They're going to start moving in that direction. Now, one thing that I found extremely fascinating from our poll, we decided to ask people about the cognitive cover-up, the idea that the Biden, Harris, White House, and their allies in the media have been covering up the cognitive decline of the president for the last few years. And 61% of people said that they agreed with that idea and even 47% strongly agreed with it, which my hope is that gives some sense that maybe

people are seeing behind the curtain and just how a lot of this impacts of public opinion and how the country is being run and that ultimately this could actually be a pretty big factor in the election. All right. When is your next survey? We'll do another one in August, late August to see how things go after the DNC. And I think that's going to be the next big move in the campaign. Well, we'll definitely, I'm going to be off the last week in August. But as soon as I get back after Labor Day, we get you on. And we really appreciate it to us. And thanks to take it to our time today. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News weekend edition.

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