Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - August 17, 2024

Episode Date: August 17, 2024

Listen to this week's No Spin News interviews with author and crime expert Heather Mac Donald and USAFacts.org founder Steve Ballmer. We also visit the No Spin News archives and Bill's conversation with veteran news anchor and political commentator Lou Dobbs, who has since passed away at age 78. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. There's an organization called USAFacts.org. You may have heard of it's been in business in 2017. It's fact-based. We've watched them for years. Okay. And what they do is they go on television. They buy time and money, tens of millions.

Okay. And they report facts. Roll the tape. Now, I'm going to admit to being confused. Unauthorized immigrant assessments have been flat for a number of years at 11 million people, while the number of people coming into the country has increased. But our government needs to dig in and get all the required numbers to understand that. Since many of the unauthorized immigrants are seeking asylum, let's start by looking at the asylum system.

Looking at asylum cases in 2022, about 500,000 people apply. While waiting for a court hearing, these migrants can get work permits from the federal government after their asylum application has been in process for 180 days. Here's the problem, though. This means many unauthorized immigrants have court cases years in the future. At the end of 2023, there was a backlog of two years. 2.5 million immigration court cases. No, all of the statutes are true.

We checked them. Joining us now from Seattle, Washington, is the guy who runs his operation, USA Fax. Steve Balmer, you may know him. He used to run Microsoft, owns ELA Clippers, and we're pleased to have him on. So, obviously, your goal is to try to get information to the American people.

Do you think you're getting through? I think there are people with whom we are getting through. We have a quarter of million newsletter readers. We know we're getting millions of people visiting our site over the course the last five, six years. Very proud of that.

With that said, is the overall theme in the country grounded in numbers? No. No. We're going to work on that. We're going to do our part for that. but there's so much more work to do. All right. When you see in your organization USA Facts,

and we want everybody to go there and check it out for themselves, when you see Trump, Biden, Harris, say an untruth. I'll give you an example. So Biden said when I took over as president, the inflation rate was 9%. And the truth was it was 1.5%.

Do you take that on? Because if you do, then the Biden people are going to label you a partisan. And if you do it to Trump, they're going to label you a liberal. You see what I mean? Yeah, no, I do. And we don't put ourselves in the explicit position of fact checking and reporting on the facts. We do report the facts. We leave it to others to hold people to account.

my experience is there's two ways to construe things that are not helpful. Of course, it's not okay to take a number that's incorrect and put it out there. The second way, and a little bit more insidious, is for people to pick numbers to talk about, give them no context, and then let people think they are much larger than they might be or much smaller than they might be if you look at in the context of history or a broader perspective, if you will. Okay. So you're going to provide not only the facts, but the context, which you did in your commercial about undocumented migrants by saying, look, the backlog is now two and a half million people. You can't adjudicate that within five years. You couldn't. It's

impossible. But the Biden administration would never tell you that, so I'm telling you that. When you do this, you are setting yourself up against the corporate media, which now traffics and propaganda all day, every day. And I don't know how much you know about me, but we've been doing that campaign now for years. And we call them on it all the time. And they do it constantly. And because there are so many more liberal outlets on television and conservative outlets, because conservatives do it too. All right, that there's this wave, this wave of propaganda coming out. And Americans who don't pay close attention, they're overwhelmed by it, in my opinion.

They're overwhelmed by it. Do you see it that way? I do. I think that we have reduced things to sound bites. People will just grab a single number. I don't think that's at all helpful in the grand scheme of things. But whether it's folks like you or many others, including individual citizens, here are the numbers. We're not going to give any forecasts, any of that.

We're just going to report what did happen. How can that possibly be partisan? And then hopefully ground the discussion and debate in those numbers. And if you want to use them to fact check, great. If somebody else wants to use them to make their case about what should happen, great. If a citizen wants to say, you know, I'm being, I'm not being spoken to honestly, so to speak, great. Then they vote on that basis.

Okay. You must have a tremendous research staff to make sure you get it right. You mean, be paying these guys the money to make, to ferret out all his BS because it's not easy to do that, as you know. Well, we only use government data. So we start with over 70 government databases to do our work. Now, you could say is the government data accurate? I say we have professional people in our statistical agencies. We choose to trust them.

Occasionally, government numbers don't match other government numbers. We see that particularly when numbers get rolled up from state governments. and then we have to, you know, sort of pick which set of numbers to represent. And that's difficult. It is, and we footnote it. We let people know what we've done. We have no interest in hiding the football, so to speak. And so our core data is government data.

Then on top of that, we synthesize. We fact check ourselves. In fact, we're also looking at automated ways to double fact-check ourselves. AI. AI. Wow. We're not going to totally trust it. But we're going to use...

Let me play devil's advocate here because in the crime area, the federal stats coming out of Quantico, Virginia, with the FBI, have fallen apart. Fall apart. You can't trust them anymore because the cities are not required to report. report. So the FBI isn't getting a full picture because most of the crime in this country generated in the cities, in urban areas. And a lot of cities are going when I send you data. So you can't report crime stats. Meanwhile, both parties, both Trump and Kamala run a while with not, crime went down, crime is up, crime is it, and there's no stats to back it. That might be a good

segment for you to explain why there's no stats to back it. There are, let me, let me challenge a little bit. Sure. Most cities do report, which is great. Are there common definitions across cities? No. Of crimes. On that, I agree with you.

What is a violent crime can look different across jurisdictions? I agree with you. That's exactly what's happening in the name. nation's largest city, New York, where the violent crime is pleaded down to misdemeanors in the majority of cases. You punch somebody in the face, Rick Moranis, the actor, and thousands of others, and the thug is charged with disheartedly conduct. It doesn't even make it into the FBI database. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets, and meanwhile, China is dumping the dollar and stockpiling gold.

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Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here to cover it from all sides, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't. So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day. Make sure you tune in. You can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. So anyway, I just want to bring it to your attention. I know I'm too emotional about this. Final question. Go ahead. There are imperfections. I'm not disagreeing.

This is the biggest one, though. is to attribute oh i can give you i can give you one i can give you ones that i think missing data i can give you know the fact that we can't totally match up with the states report uh and what the so what the census bureau reports and with the bureau of economic analysis reports uh on state spending there are definitely things that don't hook up perfectly or or improper i know but come from the states i'm willing to overlook have more more tools? Did the feds have more tools? I don't know. Our next step, Bill, our next step is to actually go get the crime data from the local jurisdictions and try to normalize it.

Wow. I mean, it's a step beyond for us right now. Right. That's going to be hard. It will be. I'm not going to deny that. Chicago, New York, and L.A. and not going to want to give you those stats. You're going to have to break in in the middle of the night and get them or the AI of people. Final question. You're a very successful American, obviously, in Microsoft, and you've got the Clippers, and you're very wealthy. In this country, I assume, has done right by you. You're a patriot. You love the country. You understand the opportunity it affords almost everybody.

I am so furious about the collapse of the media, the corruption in the corporate media. I can't tell you how furious I am. But I don't think everybody else sees it the way I do because I'm. I've invested my life into this profession, and I've watched it go down to a degree now where my operation, the most successful independent news operation in the world, we have millions of people depending on me to get them information they cannot get from the corporate media, NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, whatever it means. They can't get the information because they're all ideologically driven drives me nuts. You feel my pain. It drives me nuts too. I would say

depth journalism with numbers and context. I just think in today's world, people don't have the time or not given the time and resources to dig in and do things to what I might call the right way. Now, in a way, I don't fault anybody because that's the requirements of the business, but that's the opportunity. We see, it's an opportunity, obviously, that you see, is to try to do things with accuracy and depth that is important that people might not otherwise get to. You have to have it because we don't. We're not going to have a democracy, and that's true, not the propaganda stuff.

All right, the website we want everyone to go all over the world, we are all over the world now, is USAFax. It's a dot org, right? USAFax.org. Dot org. Okay, that's easy. Check out Steve's operation. He doesn't, he's not trying to sell anything to you.

You make a determination of whether it's worthy or not. Really appreciate your time. Steve, you're welcome. Got anything new? You got anything you want to get out there. You let us know, okay? You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Next Monday, the DNC Convention opens in Chicago, all right?

And it's at McCormick Place Convention Center on the west side of the city. And Monday, Joe Biden will speak. Why on Monday? Because they want him God. So the first night, Joe's going to talk about his legacy, which maybe that's 10 minutes. If he can read the prompter, I don't know, but he's out. And then they go in. Now they have not.

very unusual. I've not released the DNC a schedule of speakers for the week. We know Kamala Harris will be Thursday night, the keynote. But we don't know. The only guy we know is Jason Carter, who's Jimmy Carter's grandson. He's going to talk about his father's legacy. Here's the problem. Tens of thousands of very obnoxious protesters. Some of them violent, are going to be at the DNC, according to the Wall Street Journal. That's not my estimate.

Okay, journals, pretty good, pretty accurate. Tens of thousands. This is what happened in 1968 with the anti-war movement in Chicago at the DNC convention. And all hell broke loose. Remember the Chicago 7, the tear gas, the military, all of that. This is going to be a big story, I think, because these people aren't going to Chicago to protest peacefully. They're not. Joining us now from Irvine, California, Heather McDonald, from the Manhattan Institute,

who recently wrote a piece about Chicago, and I don't think, Heather, the police there in any way, shape, or form are capable of handling these kinds of demonstrations. Am I wrong? Well, you're absolutely right, Bill. It's not that they're not capable, but they won't be allowed to handle them. Because now cops are operating under a very, very different environment than in the 60s. The 60s won, the forces of law and order lost. And now cops are worried all the time about being caught on video camera using force. It can be lawful force, but the public thinks anytime a police officer uses force,

it must be unlawful and most often racist, even if it's a white journalist that's being restrained or a white rioter. So we'll see. I mean, frankly, I'm going to be very honest. I am hoping that the pro-Hamas hysterics are feeling particularly disruptive. And if the public and a particular Democratic Jews didn't really understand what the world looks like today throughout the year, year we've had of pro-Hamas hysteria on college campuses, if Democratic Jews don't understand that their intersectional allies hate them, whether it's blacks or Muslims or queers, that they all are for dismembering Israel, maybe a big conflagration at the DNC will finally drive that point home.

See, I disagree with you. I don't want any violence there, and I don't want any chaos there. A peaceful demonstration would be okay with me, but I don't want anybody getting hurt, and the cops are going to get hurt. So the Chicago cops, and they're under manned by about 20, 25 percent now, they're going to get hurt. These people will hurt them, these protesters, and you're absolutely right. The rules of engagement are that they can't stop violent protests. They can't, by law, by Chicago law.

They can't even chase them. So if a protester came up to you and threw a brick in your face and the cops will have shields, but you can get hurt, you can't chase that person and arrest him in Chicago because this is a progressive city and state. Now, it'll be interesting to see if the far left governor, Pritzker, who Kamala was actually even considering as VP, will call out the National Guard because everybody on earth knows there's Chicago. go PD, he's not going to be able to control these people. Do you think he will? He might, because these will not be officially race riots. You know, what we saw in

Minneapolis with the George Floyd race riots is that Governor Tim Walz fatally hesitated after the mayor Jacob Fry had asked him to call out the National Guard and Governor Walz, by his own admission, was grappling with the issue that, well, how do we

restore order with the very forces of order that oppressed black people so much and are leading to this rioting. It was all a bunch of gobbly gook. The guy waited for two and a half days before he got that situation under control. People died. 500 million in damages just in Minneapolis. I mean, it was insane. But here's the problem for Kamala Harris. Let's make it personal. So she's coming into Chicago. And by the time she gets there, because she won't be there like Trump stayed the whole week. He's not going to do that. We'll know the violent level of this situation. That'll be clearly established in the eyes of the world. Hey, I'm Caitlin Becker, the host of the New York Postcast, and I've got exactly what you need to start

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If she says nothing, she looks very, very weak. So that's a big dilemma for her. Well, I think she'll probably, I think she would condemn it. I mean, she did cave into the progressive wing by not choosing Josh Shapiro because he was both pro-Israel and Jewish, that he was clearly the preference. pick would have done much better on the electoral map than Wals and is much more moderate. But I don't think she would hesitate to condemn violence. I'm not sure. But here's the tell on it.

So Biden can order the National Guard in there any time he wants. He doesn't have a way for Pritzker. They can just send him on in. Okay. And then of course Harris is going to be tied into what Biden does. So the guard goes in there and the guard is going to, That's going to be trouble. That's going to be echoes of 1968.

So there is a potential to throw this whole convention into unbelievable chaos. And there's one more factor. These jihadists, terrorists overseas know this. And that's why this provocation stuff is swirling around. It might be, and I hate to speculate, and I'm not speculating, I'm just raising the possibility. Boom, boom, boom. There'll be something overseas that happens in conjunction with the Democratic Convention in Chicago. Yeah, I don't think that's completely insane. You know, the thing is these American protesters are total idiots. If they were smart, they would not be violent. They would be respectful. They would protest, you know, in a completely inoffensive manner.

But they're nihilists. They're anarchists. They're using the Hamas thing. They want to tear it all down. That's what they want. These people don't care about the Palestinians. They don't even know what it is. They just want to break it. Okay?

And people would say, well, why didn't you do that at the Republican convention? Because Republicans are to the progressive left. We're out so much more evil than Democrats are so sympathetic to you. Why are you doing it to us? And I don't really have an answer to that question. That's interesting. I mean, I agree with you. I would be a little more precise.

It's not just they want to tear anything down. They want to tear down Western civilization because they see it as too white and too male. But I guess they feel like maybe it's right now you have the Democrats in power. And so if you want to change America's policy on the Middle East, which is already, as far as I'm concerned, Biden has been far too accommodating

towards the Hamas terrorists, you would go after them, not the Republicans, because they're I don't know if there's a lot of logic in these precincts. They just want to cause trouble and hurt people, and I think they won't next week. We always appreciate talking to you. Heather, enjoy it out there in California, and we'll talk to you soon, I hope. Here's a gem from the No Spin News Vault. Last night, 60 minutes. Is it just, Mayor, I haven't a hard time getting through that broadcast now. Used to be my fave. A hard time getting through it.

Anyway, House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries, was on. Go. But two-thirds of voters think the economy was better under President Trump. Well, that's just not the case, and we have to do a better job of laying out the facts that the economy has dramatically improved under the leadership of President Joe. Biden? Okay. I'm going to sit to the sidelines because I'm bringing in Lou Dobbs. You know Lou. Now, he is an unabashed Trump supporter. It comes to us from New Jersey. We host a show, The Great America Show, Lou Dobbs, Lou Dobbs.com, Rumble, X.

Lou's having all kinds of fun out there in Jersey. So I just want to make sure that everybody knows, and you are a big, big Trump supporter. But when you hear that from the Democrats, and that's going to be their pitch, that Biden is on so, so much for the economy, we're all better off now. How would you, if you were Trump's main economic advisor, reply to that? I just simply not reply to it. I wouldn't even pay attention to it. No one is going to listen to Joe Biden in his current condition. He's said, falling in every poll that is at least semi-respected in this country. And the president right now has a groundswell of support across the board. I wouldn't even pay attention to the man,

no matter what he said. I'd talk about his record. I'd talk about the condition. Our condition is in economically, societally, politically, governmentally. We are right now on the cusp of a, failed state for crying out loud. Why? I define that. Why do you think we're on the cusp of a failed state? What is the big driver of failure, in your opinion? In my opinion, having a 2,000 mile long border that's been turned over by Joe Biden to the Mexican drug cartels, Bill. All right. So the border issue, but I think there's an opportunity here for the Republicans and Trump, when you hear a guy like Hakeem Jeffrey say, oh, no, no, no, no, Biden's doing a great job with the economy much better than Trump. And then you can price compare at the grocery

store. That's all you have to do is price compare, because that's where people feel the economy at the grocery store and at the gas tank. So why would you not engage at that level? just put on a full screen. Gallant of milk cost this in the last year of Trump's term. Now it cost this. Eggs cost this. Now it costs that. Why wouldn't you take advantage of that?

I certainly would bring that up, but I wouldn't do it in response to Joe Biden or pay any attention to his defense of hyperinflation, which we're on the cusp of again. Nor would I listen to him when he talks about the fate of the economy. We're looking at an economy that has grown nicely over the last year, despite cause of recession. But here's the reality.

The reality is we have an economy that's $29 trillion. We have a national debt that has grown to almost, and we'll approach now, $37 trillion. That's a pretty big issue for the voters because we're looking at high rates, the prospects of inflation, slowing growth, and the reality that's stagnation. But it's not real to them. All of those terms aren't real to them. What's real to them is they're paying more for their health insurance, they're paying more for their house insurance, their car insurance,

pay more for everything. I mean, stagflation and debt, national debt, it just rolls off. But I think you can make it. Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. What doesn't roll off is the fact that they're the ones paying those prices. They're the ones paying $4 plus for gasoline. They're the ones who's watching house prices go up while you can't finance a house if you want to buy it.

You're looking at tremendously higher rates and the prospect of even higher rates because we've got idiots and the Federal Reserve who are going to try instead of adjusting their targets, they're going to try to raise rates. And that means unemployment. And that means more dissatisfaction. All right, but you just mentioned a key word. Now, Biden's going to go out and say, it's the lowest unemployment rate, job seekers, all this in history. And he's got the data to back that up. So it's what, three point something percent? You want to work in America and you can work.

So how do you reply to that? I don't have to because everybody can feel it. I'm going to talk to the anxieties that Americans are feeling right now. I'm going to talk to the issue of the middle class, working men and women and their families. Those are Trump's people. That is the so-called forgotten Americans of 2016, but who are the majority of Americans as we look toward November 5th of 2024. We are talking about a real disaster. This is not something you can triangulate.

This is not something anybody can play with. We have in this country right now great fear. every poll shows it anxiety fear they don't trust the media for crying out loud how could they not trust the national corporate media but it's down to the lowest that it's been in yeah no they simply are in disarray over there why why is unemployment so low why is it so low because most of we were watching right now a labor market in which people are refusing to participate they don't want to be a part of it you think They're just not, they're off the grid, they're just not telling anybody what their employment status is. That's what you think?

That's a big part of it, but a bigger part of it is we're watching layoffs like we haven't seen. But it's still below 4% unemployment. Unemployment is, but the reality is that that is rising from levels. We were in the 2% level. We are now looking at 4% and rising. and the job creation and layoff, job creation is declining, layoffs are escalating, and if we don't have an intelligent response by the Federal Reserve and keep Joe Biden away from bringing in any further illegal alien labor,

we can get through to November 5th. All right. Well, the illegal alien labor is already here. And that, you know, the real wages have still were much higher under Trump. And that's, again, what I would go out with with Trump. Final question for you. The polls, the national polls are still pretty close, all right? With Trump winning most of them.

But it's one or two points. I think the real clear average is two points up for Trump. So that means millions of Americans are okay with Biden. What's that mindset? I'm not okay with Biden. You're not okay with Biden. Not personal with me. It's just performance-based. What is driving do you think the people who still support President Biden? I think that there is a group of people. I'm going to say it's something like a third to 40% of the country that are committed, committed progressives. And by the way, progressives,

that means they're partly in the, I mean, they can go as far as the Marxist. camp to moderate. But the reality is that the independence in this country right now, and poll after polling, as you know very well, they're going to decide the outcome of this election, and independents are breaking largely for President Trump. The nostalgia in the Democratic Party for crying out loud for the Trump years is palable and it is pollable. And what they're saying is it's very real. I think those are powerful and paris. as we are now six months out from that elect them. I really...

Lou Dobbs, everybody. Again, you can get him on Lou Dobbs.com. That's pretty easy. It's like Bill O'Reilly.com, Lou Dobbs.com. But we appreciate Lou. Thanks very much. Stay safe. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

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