Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - December 14, 2024

Episode Date: December 14, 2024

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Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. So anyway, the corporate media, as we have described it, is really the big loser. A Democratic Party will come back, just a matter when. But I don't think a lot of the media is ever going to come back. So let's get another point of view on this. Joining us from Indiana is David Masiotra. He is a journalist. author of the book, Exurbia Now, the Battleground of American Democracy.

So, David, where am I making my mistake here? Well, thanks for having me, Bill. And I like the way you said the title of my book, the sense of theatrical flair. Your analysis is a little too broad and a little too narrow at the same time. So starting with the former, much of the decline, as you call it, in ratings and revenue is temporary. So many liberal, progressives, left of center people felt such a punch to the gut by Trump's victory

that they're just checking out. And the audience will return once Trump inevitably has some scandals, some failures, some lunatic behavior, the likes of which we saw during his first term. Second, American culture is undergoing a series of degradations, most of which is an intellectual degradation, a consequence of which is journalistic decline. So adding to your analysis, we can talk about how two-thirds of newspapers have shut down since the year 2000. Over half of radio stations have shut down.

Americans, fewer and fewer of them, are even consuming the news. They're no longer interested in debate. They're no longer exercising a civic responsibility. So the one thing on which I agree with you entirely is Fox News's success is because it's something of a provdha for Trump voters. And you're correct, that's not going to last either because once Trump takes an exit from the stage where are those people going to go well this day i mean advances uh trump light so um msnbc and CNN's numbers were never ever strong in the last 15 years they're always marginal numbers so even if their audience comes back they're coming back to mediocrity all right i did

it for more than 20 years on fox those people never came close to me all right ever in any way at any time. We wiped them out, five, six to one, and it never got closer. So now with corporations cutting ties with MSNBC, they're not coming back anywhere. You're not going to be able to find them. That's how bad that is. CNN, I don't know what they're going to do. Because even when there was a hope that Kamala Harris would win, CNN's numbers were terrible. So let's turn our attention to the big three networks. They're all in the morning below 2 million. They used to do 5, 6 million.

Late-night comics, barely get 2 million. Carson did 9 million. So you've got to see that the eyeballs are not there, and I don't believe they're coming back. I disagree with you on that. Some will come back, not all, because it's part of a larger cultural trend in which fewer and few people

have any trust in traditional media. Why is that? Why don't they trust it? Why don't they trust the traditional media? Well, first of all, most don't even pay attention to it. I mean, the rates of civic political knowledge in this country are awful. But second, they don't trust it because there were a series of mistakes. You're going to say liberal bias, but things like helping the Bush administration sell an invasion of Iraq for which the Washington Post in New York Times felt compelled to apologize.

Missing. Yeah, but that was those mistakes, I was there. Those mistakes were honest mistakes because you were getting information from a guy like Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, all right, that Saddam Hussein was peddling weapons of mass destruction, had them. So they were honest. When you see an interview that 60 minutes does with Kamala Harris, okay? And then you see a promo that's totally different. And then you ask politely to see the transcript of what Ms. Harris actually said. This is right in the middle of a campaign. And CBS has blanked you with the middle finger. You can't, you can't recover from

that. CBS is not going to recover from that. Part of this bill is a cycle in which for decades and decades, right-wing commentators and journalists have clutched their pearls whining and pleading that the so-called liberal media is biased against them. And it has an indoctrination effect in which now you have half of the politically engaged public unwilling to believe anything they see on so-called. mainstream media. That's a good point. There has been indoctrination,

but the indoctrination was based on facts. So when in 1996, when the Fox News channel started, the business plan was simple, that the New York Times, the Washington Post, the three networks, CNN, did not give traditional conservative

people access. They wouldn't book guests, they wouldn't even consider their point of view. And so Fox said, we're going to, We're going to be the opposite. We're going to give traditional conservatives access. We're not going to ban left. I had just as many liberals on the O'Reilly Factor as conservatives.

Because I like the Jouse. I like to do that. Now Fox, unfortunately, has gone away from that, and it's choir practice. But we made that network based on giving everybody access in it because there was a wall put up by the left-wing media. You know that, David. If you had any research at all in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the L.A. time, it's a wall. You can't get through. And a traditional

conservative Americans resented that, and still to this day resented. I think that you're overrating that effect. I mean, William F. Buckley wrote regularly for the New York Times. In addition to his own magazine. William Sapphire was a columnist with the New York Times. Again, way back. Dinosaur. But they always featured, right, and I just gave you an example where they helped the book. Bush administration sell honest mistake or not the invasion of Iraq. In

2016, the New York Times top story. They ran more articles about Hillary Clinton's emails than anything else. So I think you're over rating the liberal bias aspect of it. And you're overlooking

that everything you're accusing the mainstream media of committing, right-wing media, is doubly guilty of doing. Not when I was there, it wasn't. I mean, I really went out of my way to present all sides of the equation to the extent that we had paid contributors to come on and present the left wing side. Let's look, let's go forward. Let's go, let's look forward. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China is

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Hey, it's Sean Spicer from the Sean Spicer Show podcast, reminding you to tune into my show every day to get your daily dose inside the world of politics. President Trump and his team are shaking up Washington like never before, and we're here to cover it from all sides, especially on the topics the mainstream media won't. So if you're a political junkie on a late lunch or getting ready for the drive home, new episodes of the Sean Spicer Show podcast drop at 2 p.m. East Coast every day. Make sure you tune in. You can find us at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. My hypothesis is that the left-wing media has been damaged beyond redemption. You disagree. And I respect that disagreement because a year for now, we'll have you back and we'll see, you know, where they come back or anything.

But say I'm right, as I am 90% of the time, I think that the now the search, into the social media and there's certainly a lot of information there. Unfortunately, a lot of it is phony because there are no standards of behavior on social media. But I don't think that's going to ebb. I think that'll even become more prominent. Am I wrong? I absolutely agree with you on that point and that's indicative of a certain cultural decline. We don't have influence intellectuals anymore. We have influencers.

So it was a major discussion point during the campaign of Harris would appear with Joe Rogan, which is like if in the 80s the biggest topic of conversation was whether or not Reagan would give an interview to Sam Kinnison. You know, there's an absurdity to it. However, I would correct. Rogan's a powerful guy. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But I would correct you on one point.

I mean, I watched your show routinely throughout the Bush years on Fox, and you did often have liberal, progressive guests. But look at the analysis you offered at the top of the program. You essentially dismissed all of Harris's voters, tens of millions of people, as minorities who are dependent upon entitlements or cultural liberals who are indoctrinated by their teachers and professional. I contextualized it. I didn't dismiss them. Are you going to really argue, based on all the data that I'm sure you have assembled, that poor urban residents of this country don't lean left because of the entitlement system? Are you going to argue that's not true? I wouldn't argue that it isn't true that they lean left. First of all, poor people vote in very low numbers. They lean left for a reason. The reason is a Democratic Party is the Party of Entitlement. That's why they lean left. There are a variety of reasons why they lean left. But the main point is poor people vote in lower numbers than every other income group, as you know.

So that's not a major part of the Democratic appeal and coalition. The only reason that progressives control New York is because of New York City minority voters. That's the only reason, if you look at the last gubernatorial vote. You're saying minorities vote Democrat only because they're dependent on entitlement. I didn't use the word only. I said that was the implication. Fine. You can take any implication you want.

That's the driver. And in New England, the driver is that it's almost impossible for a traditional conservative to get hired as a teacher in the entire area. So what do you think the kids are going to come out? Last point, I'll give you the last one. My point is that you've dismissed and disparaged tens of millions of Democratic voters as people dependent upon entitlements, or if they're not dependent upon entitlements, they were indoctrinated by the educational system.

And that's the kind of narrow, absolutist thinking that pollutes our media and degrades our discourse. I totally disagree. My job isn't to be politically correct. My job is to tell the truth. And what I told the audience at the top is the truth. But I respect your dissent. That's what makes this country great. We kick it around. Now everybody knows what you think and everybody knows what I think and they can make their own decision. And if the network media will like that, it would have five times as many viewers, David. Thanks for that, I agree. Thanks for taking the time.

We really appreciate. Thank you. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Joining us from New York City is one of the best lawyers in town. Name is Arthur Dahlia. I mispronounced it last time. I Dala. I Dala.

I Dala. Like a Dala. Like Dollar Bill. like dollar bill of which you charge many okay i got it all right let's run them down trump case would you have filed this case would you have signed on to that case uh here's the truth you want to talk about money most of those cases you take on as a lawyer on a contingency fee so you say i'm only to get paid if i win i would not take that case on a contingency fee because i don't i think You're correct. I don't think they're going to win.

How during the discovery process, they may be able to get that transcript as part of evidence, as part of the discovery process. And unless CBS is successful in putting some sort of a gag order on that evidence, some sort of it's called a protective order, Trump could then release it and achieve the goal that he may want to achieve it. They may actually dismiss the case after that, okay, we got what we want and we're done. But as a lawyer, you better make sure you're getting paid up front because as you said, Mr. O'Reilly,

the First Amendment gives a lot of protections to the press as it should, so I don't think ultimately he would be successful, even though they went to a venue where they knew the case was going to a judge that would be sympathetic to President Trump based on his political

leaders and the fact that... But you said they might be able to get the transcript. They'd have to be able to get it. Because that's the crux of the case. The judge couldn't deny Trump's lawyers the opportunity

to see what the case hinges on. That would be impossible, right? Unless they want a motion, a summary judgment motion to dismiss. That's a whole different thing. If they got the case thrown out and they filed last week to get the case thrown out, do you think it's going to get thrown out? It's a close call. I mean, most cases

are not a close call, but it is a close call because the First Amendment is, it really safeguards the media from being bullied. I don't think it's going to get thrown out. I don't think the conservative judge in Texas is going to throw it out. And if he doesn't throw it out, CBS can't appeal that, that rule. And it has to go forward then, right? Right. Yes.

They're also asking for it to be moved to New York, the venue where CBS is located, and they may not get that either. So if it does stay. Why would a conservative judge, be sympathetic to CBS. Right. They're not. It's like the Florida judge in a Mala Lago case,

was sympathetic, thought it was an overreach by the Biden administration and go after Trump like that. Okay, let's get to the shooting of the CEO, the United Healthcare CEO. So far, I think the authorities have handled it very well. From the Pennsylvanians who got the guy and then the New York cops went out, they got him here. evidence is overwhelming.

If you were the defense attorney, you'd be up against it, correct? Yes. I would definitely be up against it. But this is where you have to get creative. I just want to go back to the police work because I did speak to Chief of Patrol John Shell yesterday, and he wanted to make sure that citizens got credit that they deserve. You know, this was a lot of old-fashioned police work

getting his picture out there, But then the citizens were the ones who really helped. But the cops were on the verge of getting his DNA. They were on the verge of getting his fingerprints from the cell phone. His DNA was from a bottle that he dropped in Starbucks that they saw, and they were able to get that bottle. So he was on his way to being in some big trouble. Bill, in terms of a defense like this where he has a written confession on him,

a lot of the job of the defense attorney, any defense attorney, is to make sure everyone plays by the rules. all of his rights are observed and maintained and stood up for and then you write a book on his life and apparently he had a bad operation that affected him and you hope maybe the prosecutor says all right as opposed to 25 to life which is what you're going to get after trial

will give you 23 to life and save us the money time effort and energy two years I don't think this guy's ever going to get out I don't think he's ever going to get out. Because it was so blatant and such a horror, a message has to be sent. But I understand you're trying to mitigate the sentence to some degree. Hopefully the guy can rehabilitate himself.

I might even go for insanity on this guy. He's pretty out there. So maybe if I'm the defense attorney, I'm saying he doesn't know what he's doing. That doesn't work very much, though, right? It very rarely works. And the other thing people wrote up is there's an excuse called extreme emotional disturbance that takes manslaughter down to manslaughter. So you can get up.

Not going to miss that. Right. But he was in a videotape. He's just too cool about what he's doing and all that. He's not agitated. It's very, very planned and premeditated. All right. So Arthur Penny, then we go into the last case that we're talking about here.

I predicted this. It wasn't a hard prediction. I still have faith, even though it's New York City and the folks, that they reasonable doubt all over the place. But the key question is, the district attorney in Manhattan, Alvin Bragg, George Soros Progressive, okay? He knew there was reasonable doubt all over the place because the police had interviewed the people riding in the subway car. Bragg had all of that information in front of it. He knew that his odds of getting a conviction were low, and he did it anyway. Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong, but, you know, you showed that clip of the angry supporters of the deceased here, and that's the constituency that obviously Alvin Bragg was trying to please. But that's political. That's not justice. Well, Bill, unfortunately, the days of Frank Hogan, the Manhattan District Attorney and Bob Morgothar, where politics was not supposed to play a role, gone way out the window. All right. Any chance, any chance, Hockel removes Brag now?

No, no, no, no chance. You're kidding me. She's afraid of her own shadow. She's going to take down the first African-American district attorney in Manhattan. Her approval rating is 35%. Power, politics, and the people behind the headlines. I'm Miranda Devine, New York Post columnist, and the host of the brand-new podcast.

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Listen and subscribe on Amazon Music, Apple Podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Her approval rating is 35%. And after the congestion parking, it's going to be 25. She does not have the intestinal fortitude to do so. What's insane to me, Bill, is people out there are trying to compare the crime that this Luigi kid did to what Daniel Penny did. And, I mean, it really gets me upset.

It's ridiculous. That's just loons. I mean, I don't even bother it. All right, counselor. It's always good to talk with you. You can listen to Arthur on his own radio show, The Arthur Idala, as in money, power hour on AM 97, The Answer in New York. So have a nice Christmas, and thanks for helping us out.

Really appreciate it, Arthur. We'll see you. Thank you, Bill. Thanks for all you do for our country. Appreciate you. Thank you. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. All right.

Two interesting federal court cases that we're going to have the Attorney General of South Carolina comment on, I hope. First is Tennessee. So in Tennessee and other states, the law bans medical treatments such as puberty blockers and hormones for people under the age of 18 experiencing gender dysphoria, okay, if those treatments are prescribed to help them transition. So if you're a minor in Tennessee and South Carolina and other states, you can't get this treatment. I like the law because kids makes foolish decisions all the time. However, a married couple, Samantha and Brian Williams of Nashville, Tennessee. They are fine with their 15-year-old daughter transitioning. All right.

So she is a transgender girl. And they want her to continue with all of this puberty blockers and stuff like that. They've sued. The Biden administration has backed them. The Justice Department is backing the lawsuit against Tennessee. And this is why Kamala Harris lost. This is why Joe Biden's going to get down on history as the second worst president of all time. This doesn't make any sense, in my humble opinion. The other case is undocumented migrants getting free government health care, Obamacare. Okay, so this has been blocked now by U.S. District Court judge in North Dakota, Daniel Traynor. He basically says if you are in this country illegally, you are not to get free health care paid for by the government, state or federal. Joining us now from Washington, D.C. is the aforementioned Attorney General of South Carolina, Alan Wilson.

I'm pleased to have you. The fairness thing in Tennessee, South Carolina, and other states, parents say, hey, we don't care. In fact, we want our child to transition. And it doesn't matter from male to female and female the mayor. And you, the state, have no right to stop that. And you say? Well, first off, the states have an inherent general police power to do all kinds of things.

We regulate the practice of medicine as a profession. that has done at the state level, not at the federal level. You know, states have been upheld by the Supreme Court, states can pass reasonable restrictions on when a minor can ride in the front scene of a car, when a minor can buy tobacco, when a minor can consume alcohol, when a minor can even consent to having sex. This state of Tennessee, South Carolina, and 23 other states have passed laws passing restrictions on something that is far worse than those things I just mentioned,

an irreversible procedure that can never be turned back. Taking hormones, engaging in chemical castration or genital mutilation is something that cannot be undone. The states have determined that is something we want to place a reasonable restriction on. Again, this is not a parental rights issues. Parents have the rights to raise their children however they deem fit. But again, you can't withhold an education from your child. You can't beat your child. You can't put your infant in the front seat of a car in our state.

You certainly can't give your minor child alcohol. So these are reasonable restrictions. So the way you're framing this, though, if a parent or parents want their child to be able to transition, they're abusing that child. That's really what I think. Well, what I'm saying is that the state has a compelling interest to protect a health and welfare of its children.

And again, a parent taking their child out of school and never educating them or giving them alcohol when they're 10 years old could harm the health and welfare of their children. I'm not necessarily accusing parents of, well, I personally think having your 10 or 12-year-old engage in gender transition surgery is child abuse, but if you believe that is the case, you know, then you can obviously raise your child however you want.

You just can't have irreversible surgeries performed on them. That's all we're saying. And you're getting a third party involved. You're getting the state to sanction it. If the state doesn't, if the state says it's, It's, as the majority of states allow this. So they're basically saying, we don't care. If the parents are down with it, we'll go along.

What separates Tennessee, South Carolina, the other 23 states from the permissive states? Because it's a big Gulf, I think. Wouldn't you agree? I haven't read every single gender transition law for minors in every state, but generally they're all the same. There's very negligible differences. There's obviously some states allow you to perform it as early as you want their parents in some states, blue states transitioning their children as early as two or three years old. I mean, it's really, to me, that is real child abuse.

It's horrible. But the states, remember, the states have inherent power, the authority, a general police power to regulate themselves. That's not a dispute. You're going to win the case. Supreme Court's going to rule 6.3 that the state data Tennessee and every other state has a right to regulate this. But I'm trying to get into the gulf between New York State, where I am now, and your state, South Carolina. So you feel compelled to protect the minors there from a decision that you rightly described as life-altering can't be reversed. Yet the people here in New York, they don't care.

Can you explain that dichotomy? Listen, I cannot get in the head of somebody who would support gender or gender. genital mutilation and chemical castration on a minor child. I just can't, I can't do that. You don't know. You never talked to anybody. I don't have an answer. Yeah.

Okay. It's fascinating, though. It really is because the Gulf is so huge. Let's go to the undocumented Obamacare people. Now, you know you're going to be accused of being heartless and putting these people at risk. They're here. And now the federal judge says, nah.

You can't, even if they don't have any money, we're not giving them health care. How do you justify that? Well, first off, I mean, it's the law. It's federal law. I mean, I can't imagine anyone in America expecting to go to any European country or Latin American country and expecting to live on their welfare system. Again, this isn't about being heartless. This is about following the law.

I thought it was heartless to have the immigration policies that Biden and Harris had for the last four years, where you allowed tens of thousands, millions of people to en masse across the Rio Grande into the interior of the United States releasing them. We can't find 300,000 minors right now who came across the Southern border. To me, that is heartless. And Bill, I want to remind you of something. I take very personally, it was in 2009, a congressman on the floor of Congress yelled out at the president, you lie, when he said that no illegal aliens would ever receive

taxpayer-funded health care. That was someone I happened to be related to, Joe Wilson, if you remember. And here we are. We have an administration, then Vice President, Biden. Biden, President Biden now, doing exactly what the Democrats said they wouldn't do. Where does it end? It's a slippery slope that you can't fund the entire world's welfare program. No, listen, I understand that.

But if I'm sitting next to Pope Francis, he's going to say, Mr. Attorney General, these are human beings. They don't have any money. They're here probably shouldn't be, but they're sick. What do we do? Well, I would tell Pope Francis, you don't violate the law. I mean, obviously, there's all kinds of social services. There's faith-based groups. There's organizations out there that can help those people in need.

But basically, when you basically reward people for committing a crime, and you incentivize more of that crime, the system can't withstand it. It cannot hold up. And we're just going to incentivize. Ronald Reagan tried to deal with this 40 years ago. It was supposed to be temporary. Barack Obama did it again. And it's going to get worse and worse and worse.

We simply can't afford it. Okay. Fiscally, it is a huge problem. How much has the open border Biden policy hurt your state? The Palmetto state, right? South Carolina, the Palmetto. Yes, sir. On January 2nd of this year, the first workday of the year,

I had a press conference with state and federal law enforcement agents. We indicted 64 people and seized one and a half kilos of methane. and one kilo of fentanyl. By the way, one one kilo of fentanyl can kill half a million people. All of it came from the south, across the southern border in conjunction with Mexican drug cartels working with gangs.

It came up through Atlanta into the up state of South Carolina. This is the fourth or fifth major drug conspiracy that we have prosecuted in the last three years involving Mexican drug cartels piping in that poison in the South Carolina. So it has a major impact. Okay. How much of a problem is

of a problem is the trans kids in South Carolina. South Carolina is a red state. It's a conservative state, church-going state, traditional value state. How much of a problem is that trans thing for you? I mean, we have, the population of trans is so minuscule. That's what I thought. Right. So it's more of a philosophical thing for South Carolina on the books than a thing that you're

dealing with every day. I mean, absolutely, but philosophical points matter. I mean, taking a stand on principle matters because it leads to other things in the future. Obviously, if we don't win this case in the Supreme Court, what does that mean for men playing in women's sports and vice versa? I mean, there is a slippery slope and the principle does matter. Yeah, well, you're going to win. I mean, there's no way this court is going to take states' rights away for a dubious premise. Because I agree with you.

I mean, I can't imagine because kids are kids and they change. You know, and if once they're over 18, okay. But under 18, leave them alone. Help them out, but whatever right. All right, I want you to have a nice Christmas, Mr. Attorney General. It's very nice of you to help us out today. Merry Christmas. You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition.

The Reagan movie, Dennis Quaid, Penelope Miller, John Boyd, big hit, did very, very well. And as you know, I produced a movie, executive producer, along with Ridley Scott and Scott Free, called Killing Reagan, based on my book. And that was very successful. But the Reagan movie did very well. It was released August 30th last summer. And now it's out in DVD for Christmas. We get stopping stuff, all right? Now, I did not know this because I didn't see the Reagan movie

because I was too busy and I have my own movie and whatever, but I'll watch it. Gene Simmons from Kiss provided some of the music for the Reagan movie. Roll it. I can't go on. Everything I have is gone. since you and I and me and you ain't together keeps her raining all the time

Wow, little Nat King Colish there. Mr. Simmons joins us from Los Angeles. So why did you get involved with this? When my mother came to America with yours truly, I was eight and a half years old. We are immigrants. We are legal immigrants. And as far as I'm concerned,

I was born in the promised land, but let me tell you something, America is the promised land. You came from Israel? Is that what you came from? I don't look Swiss, do I? No, you don't. Not at all.

That's right. That's where I was born, yeah. And came to America and discovered that anything is possible. There are no limits, no nothing. And despite the fact that people agree and disagree and all that stuff, this is still the light and will continue to be the light that shines the world. Did you admire Ronald Reagan?

Did you admire him? I did. I was much younger, obviously, when he was president. And I knew nothing, almost nothing about the body of politics. But interestingly, in hindsight, it bears noting that the political and pop culture figures of any age, we're always about the impression, the ability to communicate a feeling, and perhaps that's more important, the power of the personality than what's written on a piece of paper. And now imagine a different president trying to communicate with Gorbachev and getting,

and literally causing that wall to come down, which resulted in the fall of communism. Did you take any heat? Because you know how liberal. Progressive Hollywood is where you live. You take any heat from doing, contributing to this film? How do I say this as nicely as I can? I don't give a spot. No, I know that. But did you take any?

Yes. You see, but that's wrong. Isn't it wrong? Well, everybody's entitled to an opinion. It doesn't, you know, it falls off. Yeah, but they shouldn't try to hurt you because of your opinion. That's what they do out there. Well, that is probably true.

it is the bastion of a certain political leaning of the thing. But that's okay. You know, I have... Not okay with me, Gene. John Voigt and I hangout. We trade stories and everything else. And some people agree with this politics, some not. But everybody gives the charity.

Everybody loves children. And so think about the stuff that we agree with instead of the stuff that we don't. Well, you're bringing a level-headed approach, but there's some malevolent evil people. in the motion picture industry and the music industry to boot that I'll deal with them, you don't have to. You've seen it all. And the music industry has changed so much. Give my audience one big change that you have witnessed in the arc of your career. Unfortunately, the business model is dead. And new bands don't have a chance, especially rock bands. In a certain way, rock is finally dead. Rock and roll.

is dead because the freckle-faced kid next door to you, who's a good kid and good family and everything, has become entitled, feels entitled to be able to download and file share and get all this music for free. Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting that people don't understand this. So what? You're too rich to care. Why do you care?

Well, imagine you work for a living. You write a book. You sell groceries or whatever. And people don't pay you for the work that you put in. Then you understand. Then you say, well, wait a minute, I work for this. How come I don't get paid? And that's what's happening with new artists.

And it breaks my heart because new bands are not rich. They're creative and they're trying to get to a platform where they're self-sustaining. And you can't now because of the Internet. Well, very, very fascinating. I'm going to bring you back. And once you start your tour, let us know. We'll take some video that we'll bring it back. You're an interesting guy.

I've known Simmons for a long time. I never painted my face like kiss. I have to admit it. I'm much too handsome to do that. See, my theory is these guys had to do that. I don't have to. I want you to have a nice Hanukah and a very nice celebration on the West Coast.

My best to everybody, Gene. Thanks for coming on. Thank you, young man. Okay, cheers. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, Visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com.

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