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Episode Date: February 10, 2024

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Welcome to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. All right, so everybody knows that millions and millions and millions and millions of voters don't like either Trump or Biden. And that looks like the choice, unless there's a third party. So RFK Jr., it's floating around on a third party thing, and he polls between 13 and 22 percent. That's where RFK Jr. is polling now, but I think he's about 15%, and I think that's as high as he'll go. Number one, he doesn't have any money. Number two, he's a conspiracy guy. A lot of conspiracies out there.

Number three, obviously Kennedy's or Democrats, his own family won't vote for him. That's not good. So how about somebody else on a third party? Well, there is a movement called No Labels Party. The founding chair is the former senator from Connecticut, Democrat Joe Lieberman. Actually, he's an independent. I should correct myself there, who joins us now from New York. Before I get to the no labels, and we always appreciate you coming on, you're an honest, smart guy.

Before we get to no labels, my analysis of the border bill, you say? Yeah, no, I think you're raising some really good questions. Actually, you've been over, and I must admit more than I have. Bottom line, though, the question is, and the way you asked it, is if this bill passes, is it better than the status quo? And, you know, it's the old phrase that always is used on Capitol Hill. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. It sounds to me like it probably would be somewhat better than the status quo. My guess is, so long as they can get 60 votes, meaning in the Senate, they've got to get some Republicans to say they want to take

it up, passes the Senate. I hope the Republicans come up in the House, come up with their own bill. Even more, I hope that our no labels bipartisan problem solvers caucus in the House comes up with a bipartisan bill that's better than the one in the Senate. Because this is a crisis. I just say, I agree with everything you said about the crisis. I mean, I'm pro-immigrational. All four of my grandparents came here from Europe. I think immigrants have added a lot to the country and still do. But you can't, you must have rules. You can't have open borders. And I think that I've been really thinking lately, Bill, about the fact that on a lot of polls, voters in America now say that the border security immigration is their number one

concern. And that's really fascinating to me because, for instance, inflation affects more people personally than border security. And I think what's going on here is that the border security, a breakdown of our immigration system, is not only a problem in itself, but it's now become a symbol of the incompetence of our government and the failure of the rule of law in our society. And so people are, it's part of why people are so pessimistic about the future and angry about the government, and that probably helps the out party, which in this case is President Trump. So I guess I'd say good questions, but I hope it doesn't die. I hope they because it's so serious. I mean, I would like to see, I think you're right, that the House should

come up with its own bill. All right, but I always put myself in your shoes. So if I'm sitting in the Senate, and doesn't matter what party, doesn't matter what party I'm in, My first concern is what's good for the American people. Right. And what we have now is terrible. Everybody knows it. But is this bill good for the American people? They would have to show me.

Schumer would have to show me, and he couldn't. One benefit of this bill for my family. One. There isn't any. Well, look at the asylum is a great idea. People persecuted can come into the case. country, but it's been so corrupted and abused and made into a joke. So this does seem like it tightens that a bit.

Is it what really should happen? That's an excellent point. It does tighten because it says you have to prove, all right, that you couldn't live in another section of your own country or you couldn't settle in Mexico because you just walk through there or Guatemala, wherever it may be. But that can be, there are some parts of this bill that could be incorporated, but you're never going to get any efficiency. And you know this better than anybody on earth, Senator. You can't just snap your fingers and have this kind of an equation be put into law.

You've got to have a cooling off period. You've got to reorganize and at the same time stabilize cities like New York, which are going bankrupt, paying the entitlements for them. migrants. Right? Yeah, I tell you, it's a really provocative, but idea you'll come up with, which is basically to close the border down for six months. Yeah. And I think it, I think it's a good idea in the sense that, listen to, I think it would actually be good for Biden, even though it'll upset people on the left of Democratic Party. If he would do that, it would show that he cared about it. He's been to the border one senator once. I mean, just that fact alone. He's been... I agree. Yeah, he's taking Hunter out to dinner more times than he's been to the

border. All right, let's get on to the no labels. So it's pretty getting pretty late in the game for a third party to get on all the ballots in all 50 states to raise the cash you're going to need, Manchin, making a little rumbling that he might want to be interested in it, that kind of a thing. So tell us where it stands. Okay, we're working really hard to get on the ballots and we're making progress. This is what I worry about most, and I bother the no-label staff about the, but they tell me we're on target and we're going to do it. We've said all along that we make a decision, a go or no-go after a Super Tuesday, right around March 15th. We're on schedule to do that.

now we're at the decision-making time. We're talking to potential candidates for president or vice president who we reached out to or who reached out to us. We have some really substantial people interested. Some of them are known and some of them are not known. They'd be surprises. But I feel like we're ready to make a decision by March. And again, we're only going to do it if we think we actually have a plausible chance to win

and we're not going to spoil it for one party or another. I do want to say when I say a plausible chance to win based on the bad track record of third parties in America since Lincoln in 1860, that we got to remember that in every state in America except Maine and Nebraska, the electoral votes for the state go to the candidates that get the majority of votes.

So if you've got Trump, Biden, the RFK Jr., Cornell West, et cetera, you know, you could get the largest number of votes in a state and have like 33, 34, 35% of the vote. And we think right now that the kind of ticket we're looking at can do that and therefore it's probably worth doing. But we haven't made the decision. We're going to do it by middle of March.

And then if we do it, we're going to work really hard to give the American people the third choice. Yeah, and that's a good thing. they want. Now, it wouldn't be you. You don't want to run again. No. Right. So Mansion is right now the main focus, but you guys got other. You want to drop a couple of names on us?

I wish I could, but they'll kill me, you know. But Mansion is... I'll protect you. And you'd be a good protector. Manchin definitely deserves consideration. Larry Hogan has been a former governor of Maryland, right. Big guy, Republican, a centrist, you know.

And then there's some others that nobody's talking about, which we're excited about. So we'll see what we end up doing. All right. Whatever you decide to do, please let us know. And, you know, I really appreciate it. I know how busy you are. Thank you for coming and talking to my audience on radio and television. We're now, you know, millions all over the world because of YouTube and the Internet.

We're reaching a colossal amount of people. And it's important they hear what you have to say. Hey, Bill, it's a pleasure for me. I really, I admire you, I appreciate you. I even read your books. I know. Well, I'm going to say, I told you, before the interview, we're off there, I'm going to send you confronting the presidents because I think that's the best book I've ever written.

It'll be out in September, but you'll get out of advance. Thank you, Senator. We appreciate it. Stay well. Take care. How good day. You too. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

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You don't want to miss an episode. Okay, I want to know the perspective from a guy who has been working this for, it's got to be 25 years. I used to have him on the O'Reilly Factor, and now I've had them on the No Spin News a number of times. Stephen Camerata is the Director of Research for the Center for Immigration.

studies. Okay, Border Patrol Union says, good bill, we are to sign this bill, we need this bill, you say? I can't speak for them, but it doesn't seem like the bill does the things that we need. It has all kinds of other things that are kind of a democratic wish list, and I'm not just talking about Ukraine, I'm talking about other things like increasing green cards, but it also puts into legislation and law policies of the Biden administration that have greatly accelerated the illegal immigration. So it seems very counterproductive, but I'm assuming what they like is, you know, more resources for the Border Patrol.

It's more spending, more hiring, that kind of thing. And bureaucracies usually favor that, regardless of the underlying policy. And that may be what's going on here. Well, I'm thinking is this is better than the chaos we have now. anything is better that's the thinking um did you read the bill steve i have reviewed the bill and spoken to people who are attorneys who've gone through it piece by piece so i've read big sections of it though in your opinion and we got to keep this simple because people can't possibly understand 370 pages of bureaucratic uh you know uh what is the most egregious part of the bill to you

well it's extraneous stuff why would you give out a whole bunch more green cards what does that have to do with the border why do you allow a policy that's being here's a great irony there's a policy that's being challenged by 20 attorney generals that is a letting what are called asylum officers who often are not lawyers or anything basically grant asylum this is a new thing the Biden administration essentially created including the attorney generals who are challenging it are from Oklahoma, where Senator Langsford's from. And also from Kentucky, where the majority leader is, the minority leader is from. So we have a situation where literally they're putting into law a policy that is being challenged in court because it's making it so easy to get asylum. But probably the most egregious thing

is the stuff that everyone's focused on. The border doesn't, quote, get shut down until we get a consistent day after day, like a week of 5,000 new border encounters. So in other words, we have to get up to the record and then we, quote, shut it down. But keep in mind that that doesn't even happen because even when it's shut down, and remember the president doesn't have to shut it down, but he can if he wants, we're still supposed to process 1,400 illegal immigrants and release them presumably into the United States. So we don't have a use.

There's a thing called expedited removal. Let's you send people back quick. We have a requirement for, say, asylum applicants to be detained. That's being ignored. So we're not using expedited removal. We're not going to be sending people back quickly. We're not going to detain them. As you point out, we had this sound policy remain in Mexico.

We got rid of that. We got rid of the migration agreements we had with sending countries. So what this essentially is kind of, look, here's the thing about the Democrats. And this is not a character, a mischaracterization or character choice. Their position is everyone in the developing world has the right to apply for asylum in the United States. And if the system is overwhelmed, they should be released into the United States. Now, just so you know.

Certainly the Biden administration's safe. But in the bill, let me play devil's advocate, there are new provisions for getting asylum. And they are, you got to prove that you couldn't move. to another part of your own country for safety, you got to prove that you couldn't go to another country, which they can't because they're all marching through Mexico, you're already in another country. So it makes it harder, at least that's what it says in the bill,

to get asylum once you get a hearing in the United States, which could be anywhere from three to eight years. And that's not going to lessen, even if they put in more people to a judicial, It's just too many right now. But in the bill, it tightens up what asylum, what the qualifications for asylum are. A, those provisions are already in the law. You can take into account as an immigration judge whether the person could relocate in their own country.

You can, but they're not doing it. No. The other thing is you already have it in the law that if a person travels through a safe third country like Mexico and then comes here, they're really country shopping. really country shopping. They're not fleeing for their lives. Remember, that's what asylum is supposed to be. So there's no reason to believe that the Biden administration would implement something that's already in the books, even if the wording has slightly changed. They still want to let asylum officers play a role in this system of granting asylum, something that's never happened. They were only supposed to be there to weed folks out. In other words, we have all the

provisions, or most provisions are already on the books, and they're not being enforced. There's no reason to think that saying them again in effect would have that much effect. And remember, sure, if they're not going to be enforced, and under a Democrat administration, whether it's Biden or Michelle Obama or whoever, the word is going to go out, let them in. Okay, final question. Final question here. Biden is lying, in my opinion, when he says, give me the authority and I'll shut it down. Now, you've been doing this a long time. time. Trump's remain in Mexico policy was an executive order, correct?

Yes, but we had to negotiate it with Mexico. Right. I don't care about Mexico at this point. So if Trump can do a remain in Mexico policy where you couldn't come to the United States and wait for your asylum hearing, could not. Okay? Biden can do the same thing.

right there's no reason he couldn't right that that's a fair point he could use expedited removal right now he could use detention we could resign migration agreement yes and everybody in the media knows he's lying and doesn't challenge the lie that is really serious right i mean the coverage of this without explaining the people that the border was largely under control it is not the case there was a massive economic deterioration or massive new political oppression in the world, including in Latin America. That's not what caused this. Sure, America's richer.

Life is better here. But that was true in 2019. That's not what's possible. Kamala Harris knows the root causes, though. She'll explain all that. And you know, Steve, I don't mind the 50,000 more green cards a year. I don't because there are industry that need labor in the farms and in the service industry. I don't mind that as long as it's legal, but this thing is totally out of control.

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like it's done in uk venezuela germany frang i mean not venezuela germany france germany france uk A Netherlands, Argentina, Taiwan just had a great election for that. All right. So no electronic stuff that may be manipulated, you know, it's possible. No early voting. You can't get to the polls. What's that? People can't get to the polls or they're out of town or they're out of the country or they're ill or they're elderly.

Can they get paper ballots sent to them? They, we need to go to, they, I don't know that on that, but I do know that the RNC last, August, put in a resolution, paper ballots, hand counted, same day voting, precinct level, and signature required. That's the gold standard. That's of the gold standard of the world. You got to address the people who can't get there on the day. For whatever reason, you have to address that. Well, it used to be before the elections, it used to be, you go prior to 2020. Yes, there was a way to do that. But you signed up for it. You pre-registered. That's fine. like handicapped okay you keep that the same so there we a certain amount of time where you can you

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A judge is scared to look at not one judge looked at anything based on merit. Not to this day have they looked anything based on merit. You had anomalies that you might not have heard about. Maybe you did. Pennsylvania had more votes than voters and turned in their electors. You had 106,000 votes come down in the middle of the night for Biden in Michigan and 2000 for Trump. But everyone said, oh, those are the mail-in votes, those darn Democrats. That's not true.

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and it goes to judge henry or whoever but yes there was yes there was and they and it's just been judges have never ruled on merit. I could list off tens or probably 100 cases. That might be true. Right. I don't know if it's true or not, but it might be true because each state controls its own vote. But I'll go back to the fact that if Donald Trump is president and Bill Barr's Attorney General had appointed a special prosecutor to look into allegations that you just put on this program, that would have stopped. the madness, but they didn't do it. Now, well, you can say that, but I think Bill Barr actually ordered the investigation in Pennsylvania to stand down.

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You're on as a news person here giving information to the folks. But stay well, stay strong. Here's a gem from the no-spin News Vault. So, yesterday in Japan, Zelensky, president of Ukraine, shows up at the G7. He was invited because the G7 is supporting Zelensky's fight against Putin. So at that G7, Biden apparently promises to send Zelenskyy $375 million more in eight, including ammunition, artillery, armored vehicles. So $375 million more.

We're into, you know, $40, $50 billion, I think. Now, the F-16s, this is murky. So America has not said we're going to send USA F-16s to Ukraine. They have not said that. They say F-16s may arrive, but maybe not from us. it's murky. Now, I said in the beginning they should not be given Zelensky offensive weapons where he can go in and bomb Russia itself. Because if that happens, that gives Putin the justification to blow the living hell out of Ukraine using nuke weapons.

Once the Ukrainians have an F-16 going in and bombing Russian cities, Putin good move. Okay. So you're going to send them, then you have to say to Zelensky, you can't do offensive bombing raids. You can't go outside your border. Can't go into Russian airspace. You can use them as defensive. Okay. It's really fraught with danger here. So that I'm tracking it. Don't know for sure whether those F-16s are going to show up. Now, as many of you know, I read an enormous amount I have to, to stay ahead of everything. And I've been reading a book called Only the Dead by Jack Carr. Jack Carr writes contemporary thrillers, okay?

And I don't read a lot of fiction anymore because I have to read nonfiction. But I read Carr because Carr teaches me something. All right? He has a lot of credibility with me because he's a Navy Seas. he served in Afghanistan, served in Iraq. He knows. All right. And he writes about those things. And he writes thrillers and they move along. Okay. And that's another prerequisite. It can't be like trying to get through it. It has to, like my books, the killing books. They have to fly through. All right. So I'm reading only the dead. And in chapter two, a paragraph I'm

going to read to you, quote, the war in Ukraine was not going well from a tactical person. perspective. From a strategic perspective, it had exceeded beyond their Russia's expectations. The Americans were drawn in funding the corrupt Ukrainian government at levels unheard of, even at the height of their follies in Iraq and Afghanistan, unquote. So joining us now from Cleveland, Ohio, is Jakar. And thank you for your service to this country, number one. Thank you for the entertaining books, number two. And as I do, just said, you, in chapter two, kind of cast aspersions at NATO and the USA defending Ukraine. Is that your opinion?

Well, it's coming from a Russian character, in this case, a Russian intelligence official. So I like to show what I think that is in their minds and also encourage people to go a little bit deeper and maybe just not take a singular talking point or a singular tweet as their own opinion because we can take these lessons and hopefully apply them going forward in the future as wisdom. And there's a lot of lessons to learn from the situation in Ukraine. But when we think about NATO and we think about the end of the Cold War and how many countries that used to fall under that Soviet umbrella are now a part of NATO and are right on Russia's borders,

I think it's important to take the enemy's perspective into account, especially if you're going to end up eventually at that negotiating table. Okay. Now, you're a sophisticated analyst of these things because you were in Afghanistan, you were in Iraq, combat vet, lead men there. You understand, I think, the big picture. And the big picture here and why I support the defense against Putin is because of Taiwan and Xi, you know that. And Putin himself is, you know, really suffering in Ukraine. And Russians didn't think that it would turn out this way.

a stalemate pretty much and they're losing thousands and thousands of people so even though we're paying an enormous amount of money to prop up ukraine uh it seems to me globally as the cliche goes it's worth it am i wrong so there's there's a little more to it than just what we hear in a singular tweet from someone or a singular talking point from someone and my hope is through reading these books that people take that extra effort to go a little deeper into it and think about the end of the Cold War think about the new countries that have joined NATO since then right up against Russia's border to put ourselves in those Russian shoes because eventually we the West NATO Ukraine are going to end up at the negotiating table with Russia. So

understanding their perspective. That's all theoretical. Jack, that's all theoretical. I want to get away from the theoretical. Right now you've got Ukraine fighting Russia to a standstill, to stalemate right now. Okay, that hurts Putin. She's watching this in China, okay? That may inhibit him from invading Taiwan. If we didn't fight Putin with aid and all of the military stuff that NATO and the USA has given him, I think it'd be a lot easier for Xi to invade Taiwan. Do you disagree with that? Our response for sure to the invasion of Ukraine is teaching the Chinese something about what happens to them if they invade Taiwan, no doubt, no doubt about that. So for that reason alone, then to dissuade and invade Chinese invasion of Taiwan, then that may be a reason to continue this. And does it need to be drawn out?

How long? That's the real question is how long does it need to be drawn out? What steps can we take here? Because right now, Russia might have thought this was going to go a little faster. be more, and by faster, I mean World War I, World War II, not some of their longer wars than that. And what, what happened was all that grift that's just inherent in that Russian system, even more so after the end of the Cold War, made them think they had more bullets, more people even, more tanks, more aircraft that were operable than they actually had. So now they're into this thing, and they're digging deep back into the reserves, pulling out equipment that

comes from the 60s, the 70s, up into the 80s, but even repairing the stuff from the 80s and the 90s, that gets more difficult. So some of these older stuff we're seeing, we think it's a bad sign, but actually it works a little better because it's not as technical, and they can throw a lot of it at this problem. Okay, you write about the corrupt Ukrainian government. Do you believe Zelensky's corrupt? Do you think that our money is not being used the way it should be used. It would be interesting to do an audit, that's for sure. But is it any more corrupt than what we have going on here with, let's say,

pharmaceutical lobbyists and defense lobbyists and all that? Probably by a few degrees. But I certainly talk about the similarities between their system and ours. Okay. So you don't trust Zelensky. Okay. I don't particularly trust Zelensky either. And he's got full power in that country and do whatever he wants.

When you saw Biden pull out of Afghanistan, it must have been personal for you. You were there. You were there with the seals and doing fighting for the freedom of that country, which was never going to happen anyway. We know that. But what did you think about Biden's pull out of Afghanistan? I mean, it's so disheartening on a variety of levels, but to think that we had 20 years to prepare for this eventuality, and that is the best that we could possibly do.

do from our elected representatives to our military leadership, 20 years. And someone didn't need to have any touch points with the military. Never had to read a book on strategy or tactics to look at that situation and ask a couple questions. Apply some common sense to it and ask, why did we give up this tactically advantageous position here in Boggroom and put our young men and women at this Kabul airport in a tactically disadvantageous position on the way out of that country? So that was the best the United States could do after 20 years at war and 20 years to prepare. And I think that's contributing to our recruiting issue right now in the military. Okay.

And let's get to that. A lot of people say the military is woke. They're doing the inclusion, diversity, equity thing there. Any opinion on that? Well, if it's not going to help our country prepare for war, it certainly doesn't need to be a part of how we spend our time. in the military and where we allocate our assets in the military that should be a base line but let me let me let me you know guys still in the seals active guys are they saying that just going downhill

i have heard that it is not what it once was i think that's the without me actually being there in those shoes that's uh i'm comfortable saying that it is not what it once was and it's a tough time for those guys to be in especially coming off such a strong run from 2001 onward when we got to go downrange and do the job that we prepared to do and wanted to do um yeah it's tough for them right now all right jack thanks very much a book again is only the dead and i think you guys will enjoy it we appreciate it jack good luck to you thank you for listening to the no spin news weekend edition to watch the full episodes of the no spin news visit bill o'reilly dot com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member that's bill o'reilly

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