Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - February 15, 2025

Episode Date: February 15, 2025

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Okay, that book just came out, a brand new book, and if you're really interested in this, you need to get it. Now, Ms. Adam's a very interesting background. She is a nurse for 30 years, but then went into government, and worked for Congressman Bob Good of Virginia as a district director. So she's in there, I think, four years, Ms. Adam. Is that correct? Did you work for a room? Yes, sir. So you went from nursing into government. That's pretty interesting.

Now, when you went into government, I mean, you're working for a Republican, but did you have any preconceived notions of the Washington, D.C. bureaucracy? I had some preconceived notions, but I was not to the scale that I found out once I got in government. To be honest with you, I lived overseas in Ukraine for eight years and experienced the kind of government control that was shocking to me as an American. And when we came back in 2000, I began to promote conservative, constitutional people to get into office. That's really kind of where I got involved in politics, but very minimally. I came four years ago into this office and started helping the people of our district, I began to realize we were fighting a tyrannical government. It was just unbelievable to me how much control the federal agencies had.

And on a daily basis, we would be dealing with anywhere from 50 to 90 agencies. And so it's not just the USAID that is corrupt. There are many other agencies. I would say almost there's some corruption in every agency. And so I got really upset and I started doing my own research saying, how in the world did they get this much power over us? And I, of course, it led me to the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and why we fled and where did they get their permission? And I found out that it was in 1946 that Congress passed the Administration Procedures Act that gave them that started this ball rolling. And it's been like a snowball effect from that time to today.

And I do share about that in my book in chapter four, I mean, chapter three when I talk about how we got from 1776 to 2024. Okay. It's not a, yeah. When you use the word corruption, what are we talking about here? What's corruption? Corruption is, for example, I'll give you an example. There was a gentleman, one of my first cases, he was got a receipt of a letter from the Department of Labor that told him that he owed $48,000 and he had 30 days to pay it. And he said, they said in the letter that we know that you could not possibly even know about the mistake that was made,

but the law says it has to be paid back and you're the one, you're it, you're going to pay it. Well, he tried for two weeks on his own to appeal to the number and the phone number and the email. And then they would, nobody responded. So he got a lawyer. Nobody responded to them. But on the 31st day, they said, hey, we didn't hear from you. You didn't appeal. You have 30 days to pay.

And penalties and interest are in place. That was just one of many cases. What happened to that guy? Did he finally get justice or no? No, he did not. I did, two appeals were failed. We got involved and contacted the Department of Labor. And then when those two appeals failed, I finally called and said, I want to talk to somebody

in charge. And she talked to me and said, Sandy, it's just the law. It's the law. I said, it's the law that he has to pay for a mistake your agency made. And it was in the middle of COVID. guy was going, his wife had passed away. Okay, but what happened to the guy? What happened? Well, he, the penalties and interest kicked in. I finally talked her into cutting 15,000 from that, you know, because they have the ability to do that from this act that was passed. All right? So,

you got him back some money and he had to pay some money, right? Yes, but by the time the penalties and interest had been taken place, I talked to him a few weeks ago, and he said that he is now $800 is being taken from his Social Security account every month, and he owes $50. thousand dollars yeah now my as you as you just heard i believe that the democratic party and the liberal movement liberal progressive movement wants this kind of chaos they don't want accountability for the tax dollars where the tax dollars go because most americans don't know where they go how could they possibly know they can't it's too much money all right because it most of it goes to progressive causes. So why wouldn't the Democrats and liberals want the chaos to continue? Am I wrong

there? No, I believe you're correct. All right. Let's stop. Stop. All right. So that's the motivation. So the Democratic Party wants this out of control spending because it benefits them. It benefits their programs, their vision all over the world. There doesn't seem to be any kind of counter. Now, I know each agency has an inspector general. You know that. And that person is supposed to be responsible for seeing that our tax dollars are spent responsibly. Is that happening? No, it is not happening. And unfortunately, even the Republicans, while we have a lot of good members of Congress that are Republicans, and even Democrats, probably there are a few, but they are not holding any of these agencies accountable. And the agencies are so vast now. When I did my research,

I found 473 plus all of their subcommittees, their sub agencies, and their boards. And Congress cannot possibly oversee these thousands of entities. They can't. So the departments have gotten so crazy that nobody knows where the money's going. And a few bureaucrats in positions of power inside those agencies, just funnel it out. Now, Trump says that he's going to go after Department of Education, you're going to find unbelievable amounts of waste there, unbelievable, and the Department of Defense,

which is probably the biggest one. Now, the Department of Education is liberal. But Department of Defense usually hasn't been, historically speaking. What do you think about those two agencies? Well, I think those two agencies have also been subject to these social agendas, And so of the left and have been taken hostage by that. And I think the government has taken a lot more control

where the state should have been involved in the education. And as far as the Department of Defense is, these contractors, you know, while a lot of people have great jobs with them, these contracting positions, I could tell you stories that would curl your hair. No, listen, I understand. So I think that Trump is doing the right thing. Last question. is a polarizing guy like Elon Moss, the right crusader?

Well, I think you're going to have to have somebody bold. Just like in 1776, our founders were bold. They went up against the largest power. And I believe it's going to take someone like Trump, who is not afraid. He has nothing to lose. He's not getting a penny from our government. He has lost so much as far as being fought against. Elon Musk, you have to have somebody who's smart enough to get to the bottom of it.

And I spoke to somebody this week who is actually working with Doge. And there were some young men who come in there. They're coders. They know how to find and follow the dollar and follow the trail. Let's all, because we need it, this is really out of control. So the book is Government's Servant or Master by Sandra Adams. And we appreciate it, Ms. Adams. Very nice of you to help us out today.

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Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green, we invited her on the program and she doesn't want to come on. Maybe she'll change her mind. I don't think she likes me. Maybe I'm taking it personally. Well, she as the chairwoman of the Doge subcommittee in the House Oversight Committee, Ms. Green. And she is calling on NPR PBS to a... appear before the committee because she wants to take the federal money, all $535 million a year of it, away from NPR and PBS because their left-wing organizations, which they are.

So I hope Ms. Green will come on a program and explain what she's going to do, but there's a number of bills already to try to get that tax money out. And I've done this for decades. There's no way. If you watched that Frontline episode during the Trump-Harris campaign, it was disgraceful. They loved Kamala and they didn't use one person in one hour that boosted Trump. Come on. You couldn't find anybody.

Frontline. I paid for that. No. Also, PBS is caved at President Trump. They're closing their DEI office. And I try to find out how many people work in a PBS DEI office. We don't know yet. But the two executives, Cecilia Loving and somebody else, they're out.

So they're going to lose their subsidy. PBS and EPA are going to lose it. They ought to compete in the marketplace. They got concerts and kids program. Okay. Okay. compete you don't need my money and joining us now from Chevy Chase Maryland the guy used to work for public broadcasting corporations name is

Michael Pack he's a president of palladium pictures right now and he held the title of CEO for US agency and global media in addition to being the VP for TV programming at PBS so he knows what's talking about so am I making any mistakes here am I being too mean the PBS NPR Well, not exactly. Yeah, I was the senior vice president of corporation for public broadcasting, but perhaps just as relevantly, I've made over 15 documentaries, all of which have been nationally broadcast on public television. The last one was about Clarence Thomas. It was called Created Equal, Clarence Thomas in his own words.

And that film was treated very fairly, but it is definitely the case that PBS and NPR are left-leaning organizations. It's obvious from their programming, just as you have said, Bill. Why is that a fact? What happened there? What is the culture there? How did it happen? I think it was more or less like that from the beginning. I mean, it's not dissimilar to the rest of the legacy media.

You've just talked about other broadcasters. The difference really is that PBS and NPR get public money, and they, and CPB, which is the institution that gets the federal money, is obligated to ensure that public broadcasting is objective and balanced, whereas CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC are not legally obliged to do that. But it's not balanced. But it's not. No.

And everybody, every, I don't see this one person in this country, Mr. Pack. I don't know anybody. Even the liberal people, the progressive people, they're not going to say, hey, they're balanced over there at NPR. It's ridiculous. The whole thing is absurd. Well, absolutely. And I myself was personally attacked by NPR quite a lot when I was in the first Trump administration, as you mentioned a few minutes ago, running the U.S. agency for global media, which oversees the voice of America, et cetera. Why were you attacked? What did they attack you for? Well, they attacked me for that. That is another organization that gets federal money that should be fair. And during the presidential election, they were putting on things that were pro-Biden and unbalanced. And my idea was, they should get back to being fair, and they should be presenting American ideals to the world

and promoting American values, and they have strayed from their mission, and NPR did not like that. And then my predecessor had become president of NPR, and he had particular bias. He was... Okay, so he didn't like you when he was out to get you. And that's not unusual in the media. No, but it's more than that. I mean, I think they were out to get President Trump, actually, more than me personally. I don't know of any show on PBS or NPR that's ever seen. said that Trump should be elected or Trump was a good president first time around. And if I'm wrong, if I missed it, I want people to tell me, Bill at bill o'Reilly.com.

But I, you know, I don't watch it every, go ahead. I think it's gotten worse over the years, actually, though, Bill. I mean, I think in the old days at NPR, they would interview four people and one would be a Republican and three would be Democrats. Now, on their panels, there are no Republicans, as I think you pointed out earlier. So it's really shifted. And I think that some sense, public broadcasting feels like they could withstand attacks and threats to take their money away. They've done it before.

Newt Gingrich threatened to take away their money in the 90s. And they feel that they have 400 stations around the country. Their boards are bipartisan. They're always able to get their congressmen to push for them. And they've withstood it in the past. Well, the Democrats are going to stick up for them. There's no doubt about it. But now with two houses, Republican, they should be able to.

get that money out of there, but you never know. But it's interesting because Fox News does the same thing. It stacks four conservatives and then one liberal. But Fox News isn't getting our money. That's right. I mean, they want to do that, and it's working for them, obviously, but they can do it. And but if NPR and PBS are getting our money and Donald Trump gets nearly 80 million votes, they're disenfranchising 80 million Americans, NPR and PBS, are disenfranchising them. And that is absolutely wrong. It's wrong morally. It's wrong historically. It's wrong in every way. Last word. Well, I think they've had this morning for many years, public broadcasting has. And when I was there, there was some effort to bring in diversity of viewpoints. And they're, in

theory committed to diversity of viewpoints, but they have done very little over the past several decades. And now those chickens are coming home to roost, and we will see what happens. All right. I don't want to pay for the chickens. Let the chickens put themselves. All right, Mr. Pack. Thanks very much. We appreciate it. This is the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Okay, so there is no question that Donald Trump is taking revenge on the American press. and a lot of people feel it's justified because they try to put him out of business. They try to take his livelihood away.

They try to put him in jail. They try to do everything they could to destroy Mr. Trump's life. And now he's got this power back and he's going after him. No question about it. What about overseas? How do they see Donald Trump, particularly our strongest ally, great Britain? So joining us now from London, England, where I live for, a year until they deported me for being obnoxious is Peers Morgan, you know them.

I don't have to go through the resume, but you can check him out on YouTube. His program is called Peers Morgan uncensored. I don't know if you have ever been censored from the time you're too, but to reinforce that is good. So number one, you would agree with me that Donald Trump's taking revenge on the American media, correct? Yeah, no question. No question. But I also think that it's been entirely predictable, given the way that the mainstream media in America has behaved in such an overtly partisan manner against him for eight years.

And I've been criticised them for eight years for doing it, pointing out that it's not the job of the media to take sites. I mean, some of them may be unashamedly, you know, partisan. Fine, then show your colours. it's the more insidious secret partisan behavior of very liberal-dominated newsrooms working at these supposedly impartial networks who've waged a kind of systematic activist campaign against Trump and obviously now he's got the chance he's going to have some fun with them

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I work for ABC News. I mean, I know what the deal is. Now, it's crazy since Trump got into politics. Then all of the barriers left. And it was justified by a New York Times columnist who said, Look, this guy's a danger to the union, so we're not going to have any rules anymore. We're going to try to destroy him. And once in New York Times, with that posture out, then they all followed,

and they thought that they had them. They thought that Donald Trump was done. And he rose like Dracula, and now he's going after them. Do you feel that is beneath the president of the United States to wreak that kind of vengeance? Well, I think, look, I think Donald Trump. Trump is always going to do what Donald Trump wants to do. And people who've tried to get involved in changing his mind about exacting retribution in this kind of manner,

normally discover it's a bit pointless. You know, he's nearly 80 years old. He's a leopard who won't change his spots when it comes to that kind of thing. If you read his book, The Art of a Deal, then it's all in there. Somebody punches you, punch them 10 times harder back, is his mantra, and always has been for 50 years.

So he's not going to change now. Now, you know, I do think it's probably a little bit of a waste of time for the President of the United States, but he's got so many more important things to worry about than going after the media. But what he's really doing, Bill, I think, is he's putting them back in their box. And he's also, I think, trying to focus their minds on, why don't you just try in this term of office, unlike the first term, being a little bit more fair-minded, you know, having some more conservative voices on your network, actually not making them pariahs, not directing your audience. to feel that everything that Donald Trump does is evil personified. Actually, a lot of it might be quite good. Now, when I was in London for the New York Jet Minnesota Viking game in October, I pay close attention to the media in Great Britain,

and a lot of them want to interview me. I just did a big thing in Paris. I am stunned by the lack of knowledge that British journalists have about our system in America. They don't understand how it works. They don't know. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

Listen, I've had the pleasure and honor of working and living in America for 20 years now. So I have a much greater knowledge I would say than 98% of British journalists. And they've been very lazy, particularly, I think, in their treatment of Trump. Just taking a kind of very easy,

simplistic narrative that everything he does is awful. And of course, the Democrats are better people and a better party. and, of course, they're going to keep winning. And that just hasn't been borne out by events. But the British people are buying. A bit meek and mild now. The British people are buying.

I mean, you got the BBC lined up to do exactly what the NBC news is doing here. The BBC does over there, right? Yeah, but I would say the difference now compared to 2016, for example, or indeed Trump's whole first term, was I would say the vast majority of people in Britain had a pretty negative view of Trump in his first time. term, driven largely by the media from America and everyone taking their lead from that. Right across Britain, from north to south, east to west, there is a massively better, more positive feeling towards Trump from the public, from the people. Why? Not necessarily the media, but because I think they've looked at it.

I'll tell you why. Because we have a left-wing socialist government now in this country. Everybody was sick and tired of the conservatives. They were no good, the Conservative governments, for 15 years. Honestly, a rat bag of very poor, incompetent leaders in the main. And inevitably, they got eventually picked out of office. But what happened next was not like in 97, when Tony Blair came in and did a lot of pretty good things actually and was very, very popular.

What happened here was it clearly, very quickly became clear to people that the Labour Party had not had any great plan for improving the country. Their whole stance was going to be the conservative party were terrible. They've driven the country into the ground. We're in terrible shape. And by the way, things are going to get worse. And their first actions were to punish financially pensioners and then to punish financially the farmers. So the lefties are.

Hang on. Hang on. This is ridiculous. Right. So the lefties are not succeeding in Great Britain. So by transferal, Trump looks a little bit better across the pond. Would I have it? Yeah. That's it.

And they look at him being very decisive and hitting the ground very hard and running with all these executive orders. And they're like, we'd love a bit of that energy and dynamism over here, please. All right. Little action, right? In the House of Commons. Let's get some action going on. All right, peers.

We appreciate it very much. Thanks for taking the time. You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. So we don't do a lot of celebrity stuff here because I've got so many more important things to do. But a friend of mine, Joe Piscobo, you know, on Saturday Night Live guy and comedian, very talented guy. I've known him for decades, and Joe's a good guy.

He's got a book out called The Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer. Okay, and I want you to check it out. I read a book very, very entertaining. Now, Piscopo was on Saturday Night Live with Eddie Murphy. We're going to talk about that in a moment. But he also does a radio program out of New Jersey, and he makes live appearances, and his big thing is Frank Sinatra. Roll it. Start spreading the news. I'm leaving today. I want to be a part of it. New York. New York. Anyway, Piscopo loves Frank.

I mean, I'm a little on, you know. But no doubt, Frank Sinatra, one of the best entertainers in the world. If you don't know them very well, because younger people don't. You know, you go to check it out. The guy was a stylist. Anyway, Piscopo nailed them and makes some nice living doing comedy and Sinatra. I talked to him yesterday, which is why you're going to see a change of outfit for me. And the most important thing you to know about Piscopo is he's a good guy.

Roll it. Joining us now from New Jersey is the aforementioned Joe Piscopo. Now, the reason I wanted to talk to you about your book, and I read the book, Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer, is because your background and my background are almost identical, except for the fact that I am so much luckier to be Irish than Italian. That's the big difference. Now, we were raised in the same era, in the same environment of working class, ethnic homes, Catholic, lots of kids all over the place. Now, when I go back to my Levittown home, the people, the older people who are still there, they're looking at me and going, how come you're not in jail?

They don't, because I was such a ridiculous kid. They don't know how I succeeded. Is it the same for you? Yeah, it is. You know, and I smack myself every day. And great to see you, Bill, my friend. I tell you, because I got kicked out of school eight times, eight times. And I almost made the record, but Henry Menardsick got nine times.

And so he's ahead of me at West Dessig High School, you know. What was I thinking? We had the best parents. I had the best parents, you know, took care of me. I was still a wise guy, you know? And yes, I always thought if it wasn't for my parents, I'd be working for some guy with a vowel at the end of his name in Brooklyn. What am I going to tell you?

You know, I got out of line, but I don't know how I did it. But by the grace of God and my dear parents, Bill. It took me six years to become comfortable in front of the camera. I wasn't a natural performer. And I didn't know what I wanted to do to my early 20s. It wasn't like you. I was a high school teacher out of college. And then I said, you know, I'm pretty good writer.

Let me pursue that. Now, your big break was 1980. You show up on Saturday Night Live. Not an easy gig to get because you're coming off Chevy Chase, Belushi, Akroyd, Radner, all of these legends. And they hire you. Then you team up with Eddie Murphy. Now, Murphy's a Long Island guy.

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And I knew Richie Tinkin and Bob Wax, Eddie's managers, but I didn't know Eddie, because I was at the Improvisation Comedy Club where I came up. That was Hell's Kitchen. 44th and 9th. There was Catcher Rising Star. That was a little more upscale.

And then there was a comic strip just coming in. These are the comedy clubs. Long Island may as well have been Idaho to us because we just knew Manhattan. So now I didn't know Eddie. I didn't even hear of Eddie, but as soon as they introduced me, and they said, this is Eddie Murphy.

And there was this young kid, 19 years old, and he's sitting down soon as you meet Eddie. I think everybody felt that way, but I don't know what it was. We just connected. There were laughs. There was comfort. There was a comfort zone.

We were just very similar, and we just connected right there, right that second. And then they asked us, would you do a sketch? Joe, would you audition Eddie for us like that? So they took the Word Association sketch that Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor did, Bill, which was like, you could never do it now. It's where, you know, Chevy says... There's a N-word and that kind of stuff. Oh, my gosh, and Pryor did it.

So now we got the suits in front of us, and I start to read the sketch, He's doing the prior part, of course. I'm doing the Chevy part. And Eddie just nailed it. Bill, it was like, and I went, wow, man. And now, at that point, I worked with Robin Williams and Rodney Dangerfield and Andy Kaufman and Robert Klein and everybody at the improvisation. I met everybody.

This kid was like, I've never seen anything like it kind of thing. No race stuff between you, no black-white stuff? Yeah, no, no race stuff. It was just the script. We stuck with the script. No, no, I mean, in person, though, once you got to know- none of that? Never even felt it.

Never thought it. The only time it was about, that's why I don't understand. And if you go to Ebony and Ivory, it closes with, I am white, you were black, I am white, and who cares? We never saw color. I never saw color. I just never did. That's good.

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And the who cares Who cares, baby You're going back to SNL 50 Over the weekend, a big show Three Hour show. Is Eddie going to be there? Murphy's showing up? Because I know you're still friends, right? Yeah, I see

When you see each other, absolutely. But I hear he's going to be there. He's going in. And 10 years ago, and I can't remember how I got the word, but I got the word that I was going to, I did a little bit. I'm not hearing anything now, so I'm kind of a spectator. They do a big concert,

by the way, at Radio City on Friday. I think that's okay to talk about. And then a Sunday night is the three hour, and everybody's going to be there. And I hear Eddie's going to be there. You never know, because it's going to be live as life could be, so you never know. But it's

always good to see him. You know what's funny to do? And I know you must have friends from a hundred years ago, and then you do one little look, you do one little sound, you do one little nuance, and then it, you know, cracks the other person up like that. Right, they remember. Yeah, and it's kind of fun like that. So I'm looking forward to it, but it's kind of like your high school reunion where you're kind of like, you know, a little tepid, little tepid, but, you know, I'm going to go back.

I'm going to go back with respect and grateful. Hey, man, you know, with my politics, I'm lucky I got invited at all, Bill O'Reilly. Well, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody likes me, and I'm going to say, you don't have to say anything. Everybody likes Piscopo. I don't know. Anybody doesn't like you because you're a good guy, a good sense of humor. You're not looking at top anybody.

You don't have the jealousy thing going on. You know, so everybody will be happy to see you. And my son, I went to a Yankee game with Piscoa a few years ago. My son was a little bit younger, obviously, and he still remembers that night. Because he knows, you know, they watch the young kids now watch the tapes of you and Murphy and all those skits. They'll live on forever. So he always asks about you because you were nice to him, you know. I remember like yesterday, you had the great seats.

I had great seats and I was behind you, man. I was very impressed with that. As it should be. As it should be, you know. I said, we were my buddy Mitchell Modell and I snored off of Mitchell's seats. And I look, and there's O'Reilly, man, up there. But you know what I loved about you? You're a great father.

God bless you for that. I appreciate that. And so are you. You got four urchins, and so are you. The book is Memoirs of a Blue Collar Entertainer, Joe Piscopal, well worth your time. Hey, Joe, we'll see you soon, I hope. Thanks for coming on. Bill, thanks for blazing the path for those of us doing media.

We love you, man. God bless you, and thank you, sir. Thank you for listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. To watch the full episodes of the No Spin News, visit Bill O'Reilly.com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member. That's Bill O'Reilly.com. Sign up and start watching today.