Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - January 13, 2024

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

Listen to this week's No Spin News interview with Bernie Goldberg, Pollster John McLaughlin, and Former Congressman and NY-3 congressional candidate Tom Suozzi (D). We also visit the No Spin News archives and Bill's conversation with Former FBI special agent Thomas J. Baker. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. Let's lighten things up a little bit. I think, you know, it can only take so much, right? So our pal Bernie Goldberg, who runs bernardgoldberg.com, a surging website, by the way, ever since he interviewed me, the thing has just gone through the roof. It's kind of like the Tucker Carlson thing on X, just boom, like that. But that's all right. It's okay. I mean, I'm here to be generous to everyone. So on Bernardgoberg.com, Goldberg makes predictions for the year 2024. Okay. So I want to go over these predictions. Now, the first prediction I got to say is the Supreme Court will overturn Colorado and Maine to take Trump off the vote. I don't know if

there's one person that I've heard that doesn't think that's going to happen. Do you know anybody who doesn't think that's going to happen? I have to listen to all. cable and different kinds of news operations. Yeah, there are people on MSNBC who think there's no way the Supreme Court, if it sticks to the letter of the Constitution, would vote in favor of Donald Trump. But I'm talking about real people. I'm not talking about AI. You know, the people on MSNBC, they're not real people.

They're AI. Didn't you know that? The reason I disagree with you is because the eye. stands for intelligence. But it's artificial intelligence, okay? But anyway, real people, I don't know anybody who thinks the Supreme Court is not going to overturn this. So, all right, you make the prediction.

Hold on. Hold on. Okay, all right. You think I'm going to, Yogi Berra, the great American philosopher, said making predictions are hard, especially when they're about the future. You think I'm going to go on your substantial audience show and make predictions that will come back to smack me in the mouth. Well, you did make one, though.

You did make one. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey will get engaged. I mean, come on. Now, I know you're a dating guru. I understand that. But I don't. You want to know how I know this? Go ahead.

Taylor Swift gave me a call the other day. I bet. We used to. I went out with her once. She asked me, no, she asked me out. I was in her trailer and she said, get out, Bernie. Just get out. Right.

Get out and don't come back. So I don't know about Taylor Swift. I hope they're happy. But that could go back to bite you, not that anybody really cares about it. Here's a good prediction. The free beacon, the Washington free beacon, who pretty much broke the plagiarism story about Harvard President Claudian Gay, will not win a Pulitzer. I think you're right there, but it's another safe one, right?

Well, of course it's a safe one. What do you think? Come on, Bill. I'm not going for the hard ones. You think I'm going to make a prediction? I'm not making predictions that are difficult. Yogi was running. Making predictions are hard, especially when they're about the future.

How many Emmys have you won? Why do we have to talk about that? Because I have a question. coming off the Emmys. How many, how many? 14, 14. 14. 14 Emmys.

Okay. So in those, you earned them, and they were hard news Emmys, were you ever considered for a Pulitzer Prize. Well, I'm going to give you no in the way you're at, not literally, but the Columbia DuPont, of which I've won three. That's a pretty prestigious, right. That's the broadcast equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize because it's handed out at Columbia and the Pulitzer is handed out at Columbia. So that's as close as I got.

Okay. Now, Barack Obama got a Pulitzer. Remember that? Yeah, he got a Nobel Peace Prize also, right? Yeah. I mean, he got all kinds of stuff, but he didn't do anything for it. No, that's right. I have to actually do stuff for it.

Yeah. I have three Emmys, a poultry three. very proud of them okay you're a fine journalist and i want to make a comment about your memo when we're finished with this okay um one more prediction and then we'll get to my memo tv news viewership will continue to decline just as newspaper readership has gone down older people will still watch news on television uh but no younger people i agree i mean a number show that why? Why won't the younger people go in and watch? Well, no good reason. First of all, trust in the media has been going down for years.

I would have made a prediction that the trust in mainstream media will drop, but it can't go any lower. No, it can't go any lower. Right. But young people don't get their news from TV. They don't watch TV at all. they don't watch regular TV no that's true their concentration spans are shot everything everything is on the phone right's where everything is

right they can't sit there because their phone maybe somebody might be texting them about what color socks they're wearing so they have to deviate off and they can't the thread of the show is lost because they have to grab that but I think there's more than that

I looked up my last quarter ratings when I was on Fox News, and we did an average over those three months of 600,000 viewers 25 to 54, and more than 4 million overall at 8 o'clock. The Fox News Jerseyers are close to that. It will never get close to it again. Now, was it just me, my sparkling blue eyes and personality? Was that what was going on? No, no. It was you and me. Oh, you were there, right.

But seriously, that was only seven years ago. And now, if they do $200,000, $25,000, $25,000, they're, like dancing in the streets because younger people. So what happened in those seven years? Was it all the smartphone? Was that all of that? I don't know if it was all of it, but it was some of it, maybe a lot of it.

And the older people just don't want to do the smartphone. They want the martini, the clicker, 8 o'clock. We know Jesse Waters is on and we're putting Jesse on. We don't want to mess around with Bill O'Reilly.com or Bernard Goldberg.com. It's too complicated. We just want to sit and watch what we've always watched. Well, they may go on to Bill O'Reilly.com and Bernardgoldberg.com, of which I hope before we end, you'll say another nice word about.

But they definitely are used to watching television. They grew up watching television in the 50s, leaving a beaver and all that. And that's what they do. I mean, all this other stuff. Listen, Bill, just between you and me and your massive audience, a lot of this new stuff is complicated for me. You know, I don't, yeah, sure. When somebody goes to me streaming, I'm going, you know, like I, but Bill O'Reilly.com and Bernard Goldberg.

That's easy. Don't get any easier than that. But most of my sampling comes from YouTube. And that's where, because my demographic shift is much, much lower than cable news. We do many, many more younger people here than they do on cable news. And it's YouTube, because we have selected, we put selected things up, like tonight's Talking Points Memo, which you wanted to say something about. Yeah, I want to thank you for saying something.

Whether you like Donald Trump or not, I'm talking to the people in your audience. It doesn't matter whether you like them or not. But the lie that continues to persist is that he said, there are good people on both sides. You are one of the very, very few journalists who put that comment, which he did say into the proper perspective. He wasn't saying there were good neo-Nazis and other good people on both sides. He wasn't saying there were good people who shoot innocent black people in the head

as one of the people who are good people. He didn't say anything like that. And yet the lie continues. And Representative Clyburn, you may be right. He may not even know that he's telling a lie, but he is. You should know, though. He is a responsibility to know. You're a sitting congressperson.

You're a sitting congressperson. You have a responsibility to at least vet what you are saying. It just bothers me. And it's bothered me for three or four years now that this lie continues to be stated on television, and the anchor, I don't know if Jake Tapper said anything that... No, he didn't say anything. Then they sit there like potted freaking plants and say nothing and let it happen, and it just irks me.

It's horrible, and that's one of the reasons that there isn't any trust in the media. All right, Bernard Goldberg.com, a very fine service, and it's informative and entertaining, which is the cliché. the secret sauce that's the secret sauce you give people information but you make it not boring that's what you do and goberg does it and uh we appreciate it bernie uh we're gonna i'm keeping an eye on travis and uh and uh taylor hold on hold on just a second it's it's it's it's taylor on the phone i got to run bill i got taylor she's on the line right i know You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

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So they have a very tight race. And we explain why. Just to briefly recap, there are a number of Democrats who can vote in the Republican primary. And massive money is going into New Hampshire to get those people to vote for Nicky Haley to embarrass Donald Trump. That's underway, it's happening, and it. But the Boston Globe has a poll, and that's the primary newspaper in New Hampshire, and And that got Trump winning 46 to 26 over Haley.

Though I don't know. Who knows? Well, I found somebody who might know. John McLaughlin. All right. He's the CEO of McLaughlin Associates, Polling Outfit. He did 2020 Trump polling. Comes from Blavitt, New York, upstate.

Okay, so Boston Globe against CNN poll. you? Naturally, you think I could say that the Boston Globe that has Trump up 20 points is the better poll. But it is true, because when you go into the Boston Globe poll that was done by Suffolk University, they called, they use live interviewers to call voters who are likely to vote in the general election in November and then screen down for the primary. So they called the whole voter list to find out who the voters are, get a thousand people

in the survey and then they get in the Republican primary they get basically a sample that's legitimate and it's basically 56% Republican 44 independent which is high historically when you go back to 2016

65% were Republicans but the difference is Republicans they have they have a Trump winning 62 to 19 and they have Haley winning the Independence 3626 and Christy's taking a good bit of difference. Now, the difference is with this CNN poll, they didn't use the whole voter list.

What they do is they have a panel that's done online. It's a lot cheaper. 6,750 people are in their panel. So it's their rolodex of voters who agreed to be in their panel. And out of that panel, they got, you know, they got about 900 people who said they would vote the Republican primary. And their poll. is what's interesting, is among Republicans, they have Trump winning 58-21, which is very consistent with polls since December that Trump is crushing Nikki Haley among Republicans.

But among the independents, they have Haley at 43 and Trump only at 17, and their sample is 55% Republican and only 45% independence. But the big difference is the one poll, the Boston Globe poll, is calling everybody in the Register Voter List, screening likely to vote November.

and then screening for the primary. The other polls like an online sample of professional poll takers. And it's done online as cheap. But that was a good explanation how complicated the polling system is and that people should be very skeptical when they hear the polling.

Now, you're a pro. What do you think's going on in New Hampshire? What's going on is Trump, among the usual types of voters who vote in a Republican primary, Trump is beating Nikki Haley. And the margins are usually 15 to 20 points. Nikki Haley, to win, has to bring behavioral independents who vote like Democrats and even Biden voters in to vote against Trump.

So what's going on is instead of the usual 65% Republicans split 35% independence, Haley's upping those margins to 40 to almost 50% if she can to get independents who don't like Trump into that primary. Now, there's a lot of money going into Democrats, putting a lot of money in to make that happen. People going to people's houses, people canvassing, all of that kind of stuff, correct? Correct. In fact, even looking at Iowa, in December, Haley spent $12 million, her super PAC and her campaign in Iowa to close it. And DeSantis spent $10 million, and Trump only spent $3 million. And the same thing is going on in New Hampshire. In fact, last Friday, the Haley campaign put $16,000.

million dollars into digital ads, which are hard to trace. But she's getting the money from Democrat donors, people like Reid Hoffman, who owns Lincoln, who's funding court cases against Trump to embarrass him to help Joe Biden. So Nikki Haley has been quoted saying, I don't care where the money comes from. I'll take it for me. Yeah, she didn't care. She's once a win. Now, I have predicted that Trump will win handily in Iowa, and I staying to that, and that he'll win in New Hampshire, but it'll be close, and then for two weeks, because South Carolina primary is two weeks after New Hampshire, that all you'll hear from the media every day

is that Nikki Haley is surging, that she's going to overtake Trump. Every day you're going to hear that for two weeks. That's the strategy, the overall strategy, as far as I'm concerned. Am I going wrong somewhere? By the way, what proves your strategy that you're right is the fact that the media is carrying the CNN poll and not the Boston Globe poll.

Absolutely. They don't want to hear Trumps up 20 points. They want it to be, and they're trying to manage the future a result. My own people didn't give me the Boston Globe poll. Only the CNN poll. I'm going to scold them tomorrow, but I had to dig it out because this is what I do for a living.

I have to, I have to be the architect of the best news coverage on the election in the country, because I bragged that we'll have it. So I'm there this morning looking to see what else is going on. And boom, the Boston Globe poll comes up. And nobody else mentioned it. I mean, you're absolutely right about the media. So the next question is, with the media actively allied with the Democratic Party, they're partners, the corporate media.

And Fox News is in that too. because Fox News management doesn't want Trump. They're much more favorable to Nikki Haley. They hate Biden, but they'd much rather have it. So Fox News is in now with all of the other corporate media. Now, when you have that kind of power and money coming from Reed Hopman and others, that's a very different scenario than we've ever had. in this country is it not it is and but the fox news viewers are with trump so that's ironic

their audience wants trump to win their audience is voting for trump and it's a sudden the vote and the audience that caught on to uh you know caught on to fox they're moving to newsmax and news nation to watch you etc or listen to your podcast so the great part is the internet and the de-massification of media allows the Trump campaign and Donald Trump, who's the best communicator there is, to get a message out to beat them. So like in South Carolina, where the voters know Haley and Trump the best,

Trump's leading her as a poll that came out yesterday, 54 to 25, 29 points. That'll tighten, John. You'll wait and see that will tighten. Not necessarily. Americans for Prosperity went in there with a couple million dollars of ads already. That's the Coke Brothers group that is, you know, pro amnesty and pro-free trade.

So you're hitting us already. But you know what? The amazing thing is when you look at the Republicans in New Hampshire, Trump's beating her like five to two. And the independence, sure, you got to bring in Democrat-on independence. And nationally, Trump is still beating Joe Biden. He can go to Valley Forge and try to channel George Washington, but he's really Benedict Donald. The voters are really upset about this.

When you're talking to Michelle Obama, they don't want to, the voters know that the economy's not good. It's getting worse, not better. The inflation is still high. They don't believe it that it's gone down. So Donald Trump is right on the issues. And we've got a big challenge because you're right. The corporate media is against us and they're taking orders from the Democrats. And, you know, certainly there's tens of millions of dollars.

Never Trump money. Huge money. So I would like to see you or some other pollster run up a Trump. versus Michelle poll. It's too early. I understand that. But I'd like to get a gauge of where Michelle Obama would be if she did decide. And I don't know whether you agree with me or not. But Michelle Obama going on that podcast yesterday, there was a reason for that.

Last word. Well, we've been saying that Biden has been destroying the Obama coalition, that Trump's getting 26% of the black vote. He's winning Hispanics, 4740. He's winning younger voters. So I think they're upset about this. The Obama's because there's been reports that he's been to the White House, et cetera. But the difference is Joe Biden is the only Democrat who's filed. He's the only one getting the delegates.

They're bound when they go to the convention. And Biden doesn't seem to want to let go. It's got to be interesting to see if he gets enough delegates. He's got to go to a certain number. But all of that is moot. John if he resigns like LBJ and says, look, my health is bad. I can't do it. Thank you for being McGillianz, but I'm going to release him to whoever you want.

So it doesn't really matter. He could do that a day before the convention. I don't see him doing it. He's too busy indicting Donald Trump trying to put us in jail. All right. We have a lot on tape now, and we'll see how it shakes down. And we really appreciate it, John. Very kind of you to come on and help us out tonight.

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George Santos. Oh boy. And this is partially my fault. And I've said this before, on the no-spin news. So he's my congressman or was before he got booted out. And I voted for George Santos because I really voted against his opponent, Robert Zimmerman, a Democrat who is a very liberal man, far too liberal for my district on Long Island. Santos wins. I didn't vet Santos. I don't have time to vet congressman, but he was my congressman, who I should have vetted him myself. But I didn't. That's my fault, and I apologize for that. Now, Santos is criminally charged. Conspiracy, wire fraud, false statements, falsifying records, aggravated identity theft, on and on and on, 23 fraud-related charges, federal charges. Santos will be convicted. He will do

time. We don't know where he is. He was spotted in December in Manhattan, but we can't find him. I looked. We don't know. So that seat is empty. I don't have a congressman right now. But on Tuesday, February 13th, there is a special election. And it features Republican Masey Pillop against Democrat Tom Swazzi. You know, Swazzi's name may be familiar because he served six years in Congress previously. He attended the same high school I attended. I know Mr. Swazi fairly well,

and he joins us now from New York City. Thanks for coming on. I know probably your advisors told you not to. the lead was accurate you got that one right bill you got that one right you know oh don't you oh riley he's a nasty guy um first question um hunter biden today um you think he should be charged with contempt congress i didn't follow the whole thing today you think he should be charged you know the case the bottom line is i think that hunter biden has broken a lot of rules and he has to be held accountable i don't think i think a big problem in our country right now is

nobody's following the rules. I don't think that President Trump has been following the rules. Santos didn't follow the rules. The shoplifters aren't following the rules. The people crossing the border aren't following the rules. And Hunter Biden hasn't followed the rules. Okay. So the people who don't follow the rules have to be held accountable. And I'm with you 100% on that, Swazzy. But there's going to be a vote in Congress. And all of the Democrats seated are going to vote not to charge Hunter Biden. So say you win and you are my congressman are you going to vote not to charge him as a practical matter i have not even looked at this case at all related to hunter my you're dodging me you're dodging me come on i'm not

i'm not paying attention to the immigration you just said he's not following the rules i'm paying attention to salt i'm paying attention to the issues that affect my residents my residents though aren't following hunter bidens all right people are not going to like that answer i'll tell you right now Congress and I'm not going to like it because anybody who doesn't follow the rules and I have a place to hold them accountable I will hold them accountable okay then I'm gonna I'm gonna put that down as you're gonna vote I don't hold I don't know the facts of well Hunter Biden subpoena by Congress I know me after the show and I'll give you five minutes and I'll fill you in you shouldn't know that he had a major drug problem I know there's a that's nothing to do with it that's nothing to do with it

that's nothing to do with it the griff that he pulled off to the tune of more than 20 million dollars is under, he's under federal charges, which you'll answer later this week. And now he doesn't sit for deposition, right? Yeah, for not paying taxes. And now he wants it for a deposition in front of Congress. You can't do that. All right, let's move on. There was something about how he showed up and he wanted to be public and they wanted to be private. I don't, that's all, I really don't know the facts. Okay, well, you should. Now, I have voted for you in the past. I know that it's embarrassing. Or I don't want you to use it in a TV commercial because Peter King is mad at you already for doing that. But I don't think that you're a loon. I don't think that you're a

progressive loon. I've watched your career. I mean, Mayor Glenn Cove, I know who you are. But the pressure in Congress, particularly the House, even though Nancy Pelosi's not the Speaker anymore, is so intense that the moderate Democrats disappear. Because if you go against the progressive orthodoxy, they isolate you. And that's why people don't vote for moderate Democrats because they're afraid once you get in there, you're going to go along with the progressive loons. Valid fear? I've been in public life for a long time. And when I was in Congress, I was the vice chair of the Problem Solvers Caucus. 25 Democrats, 25 Republicans. We met every week to try and find common ground to try and get things done. Newsday just did a front page

story about me and my opponent, and they said about Tom Swazzi, during his career, he is hewed to the center lane. They said that I was in the top 15 percent of bipartisan members and that's true. All you don't have to convince me, and remember, I'm going to vote and I'm a constituent. That's true. But once you get in there, the pressure on you will be immense to go along with the Biden administration. I know you don't believe in an open border. I know you don't. I certainly don't. Are you going up against? Are you going to go up against Biden? I did. I sent a letter to the president the other day and said that we have to make a deal on the border, that we have to secure the border and treat people like human beings. I wrote an op-ed

piece with Peter King that the New York Times printed and they gave it the headline, the grand compromise that talked about securing the border, generating fees from people that would generate $10 billion, $5 billion go to the Republicans, $5 billion go to the Democrats, they want to build a wall, the Democrats want to do radar and more immigration judges and more processing. Make a deal. We've been fighting about this since Ronald Reagan. We have not addressed the border or immigration in a comprehensive way. All right, but in order to make that deal.

to make a deal. In order to make that deal, you're going to have to go up against. But I think Biden will make the deal because Barack Obama told him to. And I talk about that on the Hannity radio show. I'll probably do it tomorrow on this broadcast, but I want to get a little bit more information. All right, now. The bottom line is, Bill, you followed me. I've stood up to my own party when I thought they were wrong on many cases. I ran for governor of New York twice. I got my butt kicked both times because I wasn't progressive. Why is that? Why did you? you lose to Hokel, who obviously is under the spell of the progressives and hundreds of thousands

of New Yorkers are leaving the state? Why do you think you lost to her? I thought you had a chance. I lost to her for the same reason I lost to Eliot Spitzer. I just wasn't progressive enough for a primary. In primaries. Why don't you switch parties then? Why don't you become a Republican? Why do you want to deal with these mad people, these crazy people? Nobody likes to think, first of all. I'm not going to switch after this stage in my career. Let me just say this very clearly. the far right controls the republican primaries the far left controls the democratic primaries that's what's wrong with our country the people want us to sit down and make deals and get things done to actually address the problems that they face they're sick and tired of all the finger pointing and all the

fighting and everybody just yelling at each other there are real problems that we are facing in our country and our world and we are not going to solve these complicated problems unless reasonable people are willing to sit down across from the table from each other and say, I disagree with you this, I disagree with you on that, but I think I could agree with you on this and try and find common ground. That's what I've done my whole year. Well, I'm going to, if you win, obviously, I'm going to follow everything you do because that's my district. And I appreciate you going up against your advisors and coming on the no spin news. And, you know, it's going to be an interesting run. Because as you know, I'll be curious. I'll be curious.

to see if my opponent comes on. She's ducked every debate. Oh, she's already. She's coming on a week from today. I'm watching that show because I want to see what she says because nobody knows what she stands for. I'm so charismatic. She's registered as a Democrat. She's registered as a Democrat. And now she's run as a Republican. And we're going to absolutely. You won't say who she voted for for president. I'm going to give her the same kind of interview I gave her, but I'm so charismatic, very few people can turn me down. Only the real crazy, fearful people. So, Ms. Pillup, running against you on a Republican ticket,

will be here a week from today. All right, Tom, thanks very much. We appreciate it. Good luck. Thanks for the time. Okay. Here's a gem from the No Spin News Vault. Okay, so a new house committee, subcommittee has been created to investigate the FBI. and the weaponization of the federal government in politics. Select subcommittee headed by Jim Jordan, a Republican from Ohio, as you know. The subcommittee, they say, will be granted access to the highest levels of the FBI and CIA, get their records, and issue subpoenas to find out if they interfered with the presidential elections of 16 and 20,

which they did. We already know that, but now we're going to get data. I guess, I guess. I'm not sure. The subcommittee will include 13 Republicans, five Democrats, and House Speaker McCarthy is in charge of appointing who's going to be on that, but they know that Jordan will handle it. Now, all of this is good because I was on a Hannity radio program today and I talked about this, we talked about it, Hannity and I, about how the FBI has been corrupted. And it's a most powerful law or organization in the way. world and it's corrupt now. And there's no doubt that it is. So I asked my step, find somebody who knows all about this. And we came up with a man named Thomas Baker. He's got a brand new book,

The Fall of the FBI, How a Once Great Agency became a Threat to Democracy. He was a special agent for the FBI for 33 years. He joins us now from Colorado. So Mr. Baker, thank you for helping us out tonight. And I mean, the question is simple. I don't think there's any doubt the FBI interfered with the 16 election on Russian collusion. And then again, in 20, with the Twitter situation, they were trying to suppress stories the Bureau was with the social media companies. But who's behind this? What is happening there? Do you know? This began, Bill, was caused by Robert Mullet, when he was directed, created a cultural change in the FBI, and it was exacerbated by the poor leadership, terribly poor leadership of James Comey. All right, so the first name you mentioned, who was that again?

Robert Mueller, when he was directed, he became directed just a few days before the September 11th attacks. Correct. So you say, you say Robert Mueller, okay, as director of the FBI throughout the 9-11 years, okay, corrupted the FBI. Number one, how did he do that? He said about, and he said he was doing this, to change the culture from a law enforcement organization to an intelligence-driven organization. That had a lot of unintended consequences. Basically, in a law enforcement organization, you exist, you live, your mindset is every day to go forward to that day. And that day comes, when you raise your right hand, where to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

That's quite different than an intelligent agency to which their tool is deceit, deception, they deal in estimates, best guesses. he changed that culture inside the FBI. He created the environment situation with these very specific abuses, one or two which you alluded to, were allowed to take place. Now, that makes perfect sense to me. So after 9-11, it goes into a domestic intelligence agency

like the CIA as a foreign intelligence agency instead of concentrating on its mandate of law enforcement. That makes perfect sense. So in the process of, that transition that Mueller is overseeing, is he hiring ideologues like Comey and McCabe and all these people that surface to try to defeat Donald Trump? Did he hire those people specifically because he knew they were left-wing people or Democratic people? Not exactly, but those who got ahead were those who came up on that intelligence side of the

house and he changed the way cases were managed. He did what the CIA does. He drew it all in headquarters. Traditionally in the FBI, cases were managed from the field and there were levels of review. Field agents and the field

supervisors and the agent in charge and finally headquarters had some oversight. What Mueller did with the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the Russian collusion fiasco, he brought them into headquarters. And that That continued very much to the present day.

Yeah, I mean, okay. So they brass at the FBI was calling your shots, but it still doesn't explain why a person like Hillary Clinton, who obviously broke the law by having classified information on her personal cell phone. There was no doubt about that. The FBI actually had to say it to the American people, but then it said, well, she didn't really know. She didn't do it on purpose.

prosecutors wouldn't bring this case, which was a political decision, correct? But why did they want to cover for Hillary Clinton? That was James Comey and his poor leadership, and he specifically did that. And I know from people I'm talking to, the New York office and elsewhere, they were very upset with that decision at the time. But that was Comey. Surped the role of prominent justice, of the U.S. Attorney, and ultimately of the Attorney General.

in doing that. He was, he was just, his poor leadership exacerbated, cultural, bad cultural change that Robert Mueller had started. Okay. But Comey would have to favor the left. And, you know, Trump had a chance to fire, Comey, and didn't. But he obviously was favoring the left. I mean, that's what these Faisal warrants on the bogus information. nation on Russian collusion. That was what it all about. And then it didn't stop. Even though the right wing and the conservatives and Trump himself attacked the FBI, the FBI still injected itself into the 2020 election by going to Twitter, and this is from Elon Musk, and basically telling Twitter, don't run anti-Biden stories. I mean, they seem to be emboldened even though they

were exposed. Well, that was, potentially, that's one of the most outrageous things of all. And the people on the left as well as the right should be outraged about it. That really violates the whole spirit and intent of the first

amendment of the Constitution of freedom of speech. The FBI, the federal government, is forbidden from interfering with people's freedom of speaking. Well, now that's why we have... Absolutely. That's why we have now all of this. What drives me crazy is when you get the FBI chief, the present guy, going into Congress and won't answer any questions. I mean, he just won't answer him. All of his

investigation here, and I can't really answer that. I mean, and then, you know, he walks back and Merrick Garland's not going to do anything to him. No, what happened, and you're referring to Chris Ray, but every time one of these things have come to the surface, going back to the Russian collusion and three other instances over the last three or four years. He has always said, ultimately, to Congress and others, that the discreet, the bad apples, have been fired. And what he's failed to do, in my mind, in the mind of many of us, he's failed to look at the underlying reason why this keeps happening, why we keep having this problem with the FBI. And it's because of this fundamental cultural change. And the only way you're going to reform,

the FBI, change the culture. That can be done. Incorporated. Sure, that can be done. But I don't believe Ray. Ray had to know that his agents were going to Silicon Valley on a regular basis because they actually paid Twitter $3 million, okay, for what I don't know, but we'll find out. But Ray had to know they were doing that. He had to get a report from those field agents out there. So Ray's just not telling us. the truth. Well, they're so deeply into this. And I've spoke, I spoke just a few weeks ago to a young woman, a very nice young woman, an analyst in the FBI. Hey, this quite can't see that this manipulation's Twitter is actually violating the free speech of Americans. They said they were trying

to prevent monkey business at the election by the Russians, but most of the people, almost all of the people, whose speech they censored for Americans or American organizations, censored, or shadow banned. Yeah. Well, look, it's got to come to an end. I hope those House subcommittees can do it. I'm not sure they can or not. I know the FBI is not going to answer any questions about anything. They're going to come in there, either take the fifth or say, I can't do this or I can't do that.

Maybe they'll get a few whistleblowers. You know, I just want to make one further comment. I wrote a book called Killing the Mob, and the same thing happened with Jay Edgar Hoover. Hoover then changed the FBI from a crime-fighting organization, that's the way it started, chasing the bank robbers in the 30s, into an anti-communist organization that got involved with all kinds of politics, and Hoover did all kinds of illegal things to get dirt on people like Martin Luther King and presidents. Every president, Hoover had dirt on them, which is why he kept his job. So the FBI abuses aren't new. I mean, this was an organization that was corrupted by its original director, Jay Edgar Hoover, and now we're right back to where we were when Hoover died, and then it cleaned itself up when you were there, in the beginning of when you were there.

Okay, so history has repeated itself. Last word. Well, and hopefully it repeated itself again. What happened back then is we had the Church Committee and the Pipe Committee, and they laid out a whole series of reforms. and within the DOJ, in the FBI, we had the Attorney General Guidelines. And they were good, and they worked for 30 years until Mueller and Colby changed the culture. And that's essentially the subject of my book, the damage that those two men did to the FBI.

And it has to be undone, and it can be undone. Culture can be changed. The Mueller thing is very interesting. So the book is The Fall of the FBI by Thomas Baker. We appreciate it, Mr. Baker. Thanks for helping us out today. Thank you, Bill. Okay.

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