Bill O’Reilly’s No Spin News and Analysis - No Spin News - Weekend Edition - January 25, 2025

Episode Date: January 25, 2025

Listen to this week's No Spin News interviews with Rep. James Comer, Brandon Straka, Dr. Robert Kaufman, Steve Camerota, Bernard Goldberg and Tevi Troy, Ph.D. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A lot of people are going to get fired. Bullet tape. We expect certain agencies to be deleted outright. We expect mass reductions in force in areas of the federal government that are bloated. We expect massive cuts among federal contractors and others who are overbilling the federal government. All right. Joining us now from Silver Spring, Maryland, Dr. Tevi Troy, senior fellow at the Ronald Reagan Institute, author of the book The Power and the Money, The Epic Clashes Between Commanders and Chief and the Titans of Industry.

Okay, that is out on Amazon. You can pick it up, and you should. So, Dr. First of all, your impressions of the address. Did I make any mistakes or say something that's not in context? No, of course not, Bill. You were great. But I would say that the weird thing about the speech was it seems like it had more than one speech writer. The opening part was very optimistic, talking about the new Golden Age.

The middle part was the part you talked about that was quite pugnacious. And as he said, worrisome to Biden. perhaps disturbing to him. And then the third part was more unifying in that typical grace notes you usually see in a presidential address. So I do wonder if there was more than one speechwriter working on the text, and that's what they put together. There were five, five speechwriters working on it, and they cut it down big time. And but the central thing that separates Donald Trump from, say, Ronald Reagan is that Trump doesn't want to win over anybody. He'll tell you on be unifier. He couldn't care less about winning over anybody that hates him. He'd like to win

over people that don't know, but not that hates it. So let's get specific about this. I didn't feel sorry for Joe Biden because I think he's been so harmful to the country that it's hard to feel sorry for a guy like that. But I have never seen, in all my research as a historian, an inaugural address humiliate a president outgoing president like that of you no i haven't and look it's not about feeling sorry i mean i am happy to see biden go oh i think he was a very poor president the question is did you feel uncomfortable for joe biden and i think anybody watching that would have to say yeah you felt a little squirby no no no a lot of people are going to his face in that way i disagree doctor a lot of people who are going to feel joy they want them they want them pummeled

I think both can be true. You could say you are happy about it. You could imagine that it was uncomfortable for Biden as the point of making. I don't even buy. And that's the point you were making earlier. Yeah, I don't even know if Biden was listening. Certainly Jill Biden was seething behind him. But both Biden and Kamala Harris sat side by side.

I was trying to look at him. You know, it was a wide shot. Biden himself kind of, but Kamala did not change expression once. Yeah, but never smiled. She seemed very unhappy. Yeah, I mean, but that's normal. But you concur with me that I don't think it's ever happened before. There was no what they call grace.

Okay, use it as a little grace that, okay, we don't like them, and we think they're a bunch of, you know, whatever, she put the adjective in. But they're there or one country, we're going to get them, let them escape with a little dignity. No, not here. I think there was an interesting contrast to 2017 when the American Carnot speech was also kind of rough on President Obama who was sitting there, perhaps not as rough as this one. But it came after Chuck Schumer's speech that I thought was very nasty towards Trump. This time, as you correctly noted, Amy Klobuchar had a lot of grace notes, and I think she really helped herself in the way she did it. So Trump's comments seemed unprompted, whereas in 2017, they seemed responsive to how nasty Schumer was.

Now, thinking back to Ronald Reagan, taking the mantle. from Jimmy Carter. Reagan didn't humiliate Carter, if I remember correctly, correct? No, he didn't in his speech, but he was usually critical via humor. You know, the most famous line of that Reagan campaign was that a recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose your job and a recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his job. So he liked to make fun of Carter and do it in a humorous way. But there wasn't real humor in this speech. It was just kind of right in your face, boom. Now, examining history, both Reagan and Trump take over from very weak unpopular presidents.

Biden's outgoing job approval number of the lowest in history, he did get lower than Richard Nixon. It was kind of a tie last week. Now he's lower. Both are going out as failed presidents, and that's not going to change. Is there a difference between. how Reagan saw Carter and Trump sees Biden. I don't think Reagan hated Carter the way you said that Trump seems to hate Biden.

I think Reagan just thought Carter was ineffectual and we needed to get different leadership for the country. So I think there is a difference there. But I also think it's interesting what you're saying, how there's some parallels between Trump and Reagan. Reagan also, the criticism of the media was softened by the fact that he'd been in the media and entertainment world for so long. The American people had their own independent relationship with him, kind of like Trump was in all those movies and TV shows over the years. So that kind of soften the way people saw him. Also, taking over for a very ineffectual Democratic president. Even today, with the fact that the inauguration was indoors, hasn't happened since Reagan's second

inaugural. So there's some interesting parallels with Reagan there. It actually helped Trump today, I think. It made him a sharper focus indoors and if he had been freezing his butt off outdoors. One final thing, though. Reagan did not, as you pointed out, he didn't hate Jimmy Carter. He didn't really have any feelings about him at all. It was kind of a neutral. Trump despises Biden. I don't know that.

Primarily because he believes that Biden ordered the Malauga Raid, all of this stuff, to humiliate Trump, try to take him out. That was the difference. Last word. Yeah, look, the big difference is that we have more lawfare in this country than we did back in the 80s, and I think that's a real problem, and I think we need to get past that lawfare, and political differences shouldn't be criminalized. You should look and solve these things at the ballot box. All right, Doc, we appreciate it very much. Thank you.

You're listening to the No Spin News Weekend Edition. I was going to do an MSNBC story, but I'm not going to run a soundbites because it's just predictable garbage. But I wanted to tell you about it because we have Bernie Goldberg coming up. MSNBC, NBC News, hasn't learned a thing. They are going to be the resistance. They see weakness at CNN because CNN's trying to come back a little from the far left hate Trump stuff. CNN's trying to get into a more moderate zone. NBC says, you know, we can take what few viewers are watching CNN if we set up a resistance.

That's what they're doing. You're not going to get any quarter at all. They're not going to be fair at all. even talk to people on the other side. They just run propaganda all day, all night. That's what MSNBC does. It's hurting the brand. It's hurting Lester Holt, that today shows no doubt. Okay? But the Republicans are getting a lot bolder now in defending their party and Donald Trump and attacking the press. Roll it. You aren't going to vote for Caspercal.

I will say no matter what, but I, yes, I am ready to vote for Cash Patel, because Because you will never ask me the role he played in exposing the darkest moment of the FBI since Edgar Herbert. That's why I trust him. Okay. Ask him about going after journalists, which he's also said. I'm interested in the answer to that question. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure Democratic friends will ask him.

And you shouldn't worry about Cash Patel. Okay. You should worry about reporting the news fairly, which you don't do when it comes to everything Trump. And that's true. Marjorie Brennan is a far-left person who shouldn't have that program. I mean, I don't mind her being a pundit. That's fine. I might hire her.

I love to debate her. That would be great. But don't give me face the nation. All right. You're progressive. That's who you are. You shouldn't be doing that job. Each job should be appropriate.

All right. Talking about appropriate, here's Bernie Goldberg. Oh, my God. the purveyor of bernard goelberg.com, very successful, independent website that analyzes the news with no favoritism. I don't see any favoritism there. He doesn't even say nice things about me as much as he should. That's not true.

That's not true. That's not true. All right. So Goldberg, where do you want to go? You want to go press first? You want to go Trump first? What do you want to do? Let's do the liberal media.

the MSNBC thing, which I think goes beyond MSNBC. I think liberal journalists, by and large, will take their cues from Democratic politicians. If Democrats see themselves as the resistance, then liberal journalists will also see themselves as the resistance. Let me read you one sentence from the Wall Street Journal, an editorial in the Wall Street Journal about this. The press, which went all in for the resistance the last time, has heard. hurt its credibility so much that Mr. Trump can afford to ignore most of its criticism.

That's true, and he will ignore, as you know, Bill, he will ignore the press's criticism. But here's the thing. All of us, you, me, everybody listening to us, the garbage man who collects our garbage, the President of the United States,

we all need somebody or some buddies to keep us in line, to make sure we don't go too far. I don't know who's going to do that for Donald Trump? Not Republicans in Congress. They are scared of Donald Trump and they're not going to do anything to disagree with him. That leaves the press. So let me ask you this bill. How is Fox News going to cover a Trump administration when as many as 19 members of the Fox family will be part of the Trump administration? So who's going to keep an eye on Donald

Trump. Who's going to keep him in line? Who's going to do him a favor? Wait, wait, wait. Who's going to do him a favor? Wait, wait, wait. Fox News never kept Donald Trump in line ever. That's true. That's true. I mean, hey. No, hold on. Hold on. That's true. But with 19 members of his administration, it doesn't matter. Trump could move into a Fox headquarters. Look, look, your point is, there's got to be somebody in the media that has some kind of reach. Without partisan motives. Right. To report what he does well and what he doesn't.

Well, hello, right here, and now more people watch me than watch me at Fox News. If Donald Trump does something irresponsible or I feel isn't helping the American people, I'm going to report it. So that's one, your two, I think you'll do it too. So forget about legacy media. legacy media, they're in a tank.

They're all they care about is making money. So they're going to, they're just going to go right down the line. We hate them, we love them. But independent media, there are some of us that are dedicated to doing this kind of work. I'm glad to, I'm glad to say you are totally 100% correct. All right. Were you offended when Trump humiliated Biden who was sitting six feet away? I really was. I'm sort of glad you asked me that, Bill. I wasn't expecting it, but I was. It was cringeworthy. It's one thing to deliver a campaign speech. Do it at a campaign rally. It's one thing to deliver a state of the union speech. Do it in that form. And it's certainly okay to do it on social media, to say whatever. But,

To demean the president, and by the way, I am no fan of Joe Biden or his presidency or his policies. I want to make that very clear. But to demean him, to issue a smackdown of his four years in office with him sitting a few feet away, I didn't find that gracious. Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. National debt rising, trade war, shaking the markets. And meanwhile, China has done. the dollar and stockpiling gold. That's why I protected my savings with physical gold and silver through the only dealer I trust,

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Does he deserve it to be treated? with grace, Biden. And let me play devil's advocate here because I was a little uneasy, too. I'm glad to hear that. Biden's hurt a lot of people. And in a number of ways. Economically, obviously everybody knows that.

People are dead because of him, Biden. He has squandered our treasure, biggest spending president in history. That's going to come back to bite every one of us. he is awful I think he's corrupt my call for special counsel look into him and his family

I think he is I think that's going to be proven so does he deserve grace I think Donald Trump could have risen above it he could have been better than Joe Biden I think you would

I don't think you would have done what Donald Trump I would have worded it differently but I want to got the same message across or you okay so you wouldn't have you wouldn't have hit him in the stomach or kicked him while he was down i just you asked me a question did i feel uneasy i did yeah i did too all right last question for you and again i want everybody go to bernard goldberg dot com it's over for uh the network news right

you worked in it i worked in it you much more uh longer than i did so they're not coming back ABC, NBC, CBS, CBS, right? Again, it was the scene story. The steam song. Yeah, nah, nah, nah, hey, hey, hey, goodbye. It's over, right? It's an idea whose time has come and God. Okay.

Now you and I are sympathetic. I did a little research on this, by the way, and I got numbers. The number of people watching the CBS Evening News, the number of households in 1981, when Dan Rather took over, was immensely in crazy larger than it is today. I mean, it's a tiny fraction of what it was in 1981, and it isn't getting any better. I can't disagree with that.

So Goldberg and I are some paddock on two major issues today. Appreciate it, Bernie. Always good to see you. Thank you very much. This is the No Spin News. Edition. Joining us now from Washington, D.C. is our go-to guy on immigration matters, Stephen Camerata. He's a director of research for the Center for Immigration Studies.

What is the most important thing that Donald Trump did yesterday in the executive orders vis-a-vis migration? Well, I think, first of, I'd say the tone, right? He's letting everybody know the immigration law is back in business. We're not going to be releasing people at the border. I mean, there were several things that he signed. Some, obviously, are just going to get stuck in the courts very quick, like an end-to-birthright citizenship. Others can have some impact on supporting the Border Patrol, like his use of the military,

though it's not clear how much more that's going to matter than what the National Guards are already doing at the border. But other things, like, as you mentioned, getting rid of the CBP-1 app, which is allowing people from certain countries to schedule a hearing. These are not individuals who have a Korean card. These are not individuals have any other legal right to come in, but they're just using it to parole these individuals into the United States with the possibility some way down the road of getting asylum. Though, as far as we can tell, most don't apply. We think we've let in 400,000 people that way.

So this program, CNHV it's called, because it applies to Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela, this program, he shut it down, and that whole system of using that app. He's also tried to side executive order dealing with a reinstating remain in Mexico, which is a way of preventing people from just coming to the border and applying for asylum, knowing the system is overwhelmed

and being released in the United States. Right, which was insane. So now they have to wait in Mexico, which was the policy in last year of his first term. How important is the executive order designating the cartels, which, of course, are smuggling tons of narcotics and they are people smugglers as well into the USA.

How important, in your opinion, Stephen, is that executive order? Well, certainly the first time anyone's ever done that. I think time will tell if it has, if it really makes an impact. But we know the cartels are involved in smuggling and human trafficking. So if we can go after them more effectively because of this, that could have an impact. We'll have to see. I mean, they're very powerful, very rich. and we have limits on what we could do to them in Mexico

without greatly angering Mexico and in terms of cooperation on migration, greatly angering Mexico may be a problem. But I think, I mean, I'm just not sure, Bill. I have to be totally honest. Let me mention another thing he did. He's basically put the refugee settlement program on hold to give it an up to down, top to bottom, if you will, review.

So that was over a hundred, 100,000 new people coming in each year. And so that's another big change. And I think that was another thing that he did was very wise. What Trump has done is added bureaucracy to people coming in here. Sometimes that's unfair as with Afghanistan, but that's what he's done. I believe the terror order will ultimately lead to the destruction of the cartels if Donald Trump executes it, pardon the pun, the way he did with the

terrorists in the Middle East. Because now we don't have to consult with Mexico City. We'd be foolish to because so many of those people are on the take. They've been bribed by the cartels. They tip them off for any criminal raid or anything like that. So from the space, you isolate a cartel leader or members and boom, the drone just wipes them off the face of the area. That's going to send a lot of fear into those criminal precincts. Final question. Have you ever reached the conclusion about why President Biden opened that border that led to so much pain for this country. Right. So just to remind your listeners, he released, at least purposely as a matter of policy, 7 million people caught at the border. We think that the number of people we saw

going through and didn't stop was about 2 million, maybe more during his administration. And that's on top of people we didn't see sneak in. So this was totally unprecedented. You want to know why he allowed this to happen. In fact, he adopted policies that greatly facilitated. The short answer is probably maybe he wasn't that aware. I mean, I think that people who are very... And why did people behind him do it? There's got to be a reason why they did it. Right. And the reason I think they do it is at its core, they see restrictions on immigration into the United States as motivated by racism and ethnic animus and ipso facto, the borders kind of be illegitimate. Now, they'll pay live service they'll send some people back but someone by uh like myorkas is just fundamentally hostile

if you will seemingly to america's sovereignty that's the only way to explain this crazy policy far left progressive nonsense stephen thanks very much as always we really appreciate it you're listening to the no spinoos weekend edition there's a reuters pull out on uh pardoning violent people. Fifty-eight percent of the respondents for Reuters say, no, they oppose pardons for individuals convicted of top-tier offenses during January 6th. Now, if you're just caught up and you're a moron and you were just there and, you know, yeah, I wrote the message of the day, please read it on Bill O'Reilly.com and I don't have to be a member. It's go and read it. And I tell you what federal prosecutors did to these people and it was wrong.

And Trump was right in pardoning some of those people, perhaps most. Okay. Biden pardons. So we went over this yesterday, but what you have here is what aboutism, and that's not what we do. So the people trying to defend Trump are going, well, look at Biden, he tried, 2,500 drug criminals. Yeah, he did. So what? That's different than J.C.

And then he parted his family members, which is embarrassing to his family members if they didn't do anything, right? Okay, let's get another point of view on this. Dr. Robert Copman teaches at Pepperdine University, Public Policy. If you haven't been out to Pepperdine in Malibu, it didn't get hurt the doctor was someone before the interview today in a fire, but it's close. It is the best-looking campus in America, Pepperdine. The second best is Salvei Regina in Newport, Rhode Island. Anyway, I like Pepperdine. I've always liked the spirit there. It's not a far-left crazy place.

You get a fair cut if you attend Pepperdine. Anyway, Doctor, you've been watching this policy stuff. Let's go with the J-6 people first. President has not explained it, maybe by air time, because we take this a few hours before it airs. He will. But at this point, I'd like to hear from him. Do you know why he might have part in those violent people? In this case, I think the president took a decent, defensible instinct too far by not making a reasonable distinction between violent and nonviolent, and particularly seven of those, at least, committed violence against police officers.

That's indefensible. President Trump's a victim of the weaponization of the justice system. Many of the people who were brought to trial unfairly in circumstances where the government deliberately chose a jurisdiction, the way they did with Trump, knowing that they were going to get indictments, convictions, and bankrupt many of these people. Right. So President Trump has a defensible point. For many of the 1600, he did give clemency to or pardon. It is indefensible, however, and I don't think you can't explain it, to pardon those who perpetrated violence.

It's disappointing because a few days ago, Vice President J.D. Vant said that any type of pardon would make distinction between violent. Right. And Pam Bondi, the new Attorney General said the same thing. But Trump is an emotional guy. And that's what he does. And he didn't look at all the jackets of the 1,700 people involved in his J-6 prosecution. But he had to know, and then this is the key to Donald Trump, he had to know that by pardoning people who attack police officers, that was going to raise holy hell. He had to know it, and he did it anyway. And that's the mystery. Why? Do you have any theory on it? Well, I've always said that Donald Trump and Richard Nixon share many characteristics, including underrated.

talent. And one of Nixon's problems, I assisted him in writing his final book, and he was very candid. He's put this in his books, is that sometimes he was at his worst, not during the battle, but after winning a victory, and he had what Churchill would call a magnanimity deficit. And I understand that that President Trump, who's been under unfair, continuous assault since the time the networks announced his first victory, has the instinct that he promised these people that he was going to let them out. He was fulfilling a campaign promise.

And I think he also knew that he was going to stick it in the eye of many people by doing it, not doing it per se, but going too far. And there's one more component. He's not going to pay a political price for it because you don't have to run again. No. So this is Donald Trump being Donald Trump.

Yeah. But he calculates things out, but he goes, look, this is going to pass fast, and it will. The big thing is immigration, the big thing is the economy. I'm going to get that up and running. So I said I was going to do this, but he didn't, he could have not done it. And so when I talk to him next, if that's, I don't know whether it'll ever be, but I'm going to say that, what was that all about? And maybe I'll get an answer, and maybe I won't. I was going to Joe Biden.

So when you read that he pardoned his family members, what was the first thing you thought of? I thought of the stark difference between the first time I met you and what Joe Biden did to Biden's shame. You don't remember I do. The first time I met you was in the Fox studio as I was about to do commentary on the death of Gerald Ford. And Gerald Ford gave Richard Nixon a pardon, a preemptive pardon, which is what Biden did for his family, really at the cost of his political career, and really to save the country turmoil and trauma, and to preserve the founding father's wish that we distinguish between political difference and the criminalization of political behavior. In other words, what Ford did, which was unusual, was done for the noblest of motives. And I agree with that 100%. I mean, and conversely, what President Biden did was for the most ignomal of motives.

It was to protect him and his family and those who acted illegally from scrutiny, going all the way back to 2014. A preemptive pardon should be the exception rather than the rule and should be for a public purpose rather than to protect a crime syndicate. And unfortunately, President Biden, who had a very sad presidency because of its failure, really left in shame. And Bill, when you said that President Trump calculates, I agree. And I also think President Trump calculated that President Biden's really deployed.

plerable preemptive pardons in extent and scope gave the president a lot more relayed to do what he did in the news cycle. Yeah, because he punted it over Biden's worse, but that doesn't help the country. And that's my main focus here. No, it doesn't help the country. It's an explanation. Let's all do the right thing, right? But you asked originally, what was President Trump thinking?

That's what he was thinking. I can get away with it. I can get away with it. Because Biden's worse, right. That's right. This episode is brought to you by San Pellegrino Chau. A new kind of flavor of sparkling water. The kind made with real fruit juice,

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Number one based on publicly available. data on competitors, customers. Plans vary. SMS available as add-on, visit millchimp.com. Now, I'm going to have Comer on tomorrow, the congressman who's, you know, leading the Biden investigations, and he has got a new book out and he says he's going to continue the investigations. Okay, that's good, I think. And in history, we want to know if a vice president or a president, in this case, Biden held both offices, took bribes. That's what this is all about. We cut through all the BS. It's about taking bribes. And his family members, it looks like, received money for nothing, as dire straits once sang, money for nothing because he was vice president and he was

president. And so millions of dollars came in and they all cut it up and they all put it in their pocket. All right? Well, that's illegal. That's selling influence. You can't do it. But the big one is Did Joe Biden himself take money? And that has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt at this point. Would you agree? I agree, but I also think there's a silver lining in this, including with General Millie, who, in my view, committed treason by telling the Chinese that he would intervene in the event President Trump exercised his duty as commander-in-chief.

The silver lining is because these people are pardoned, that pardons all past defenses, but they don't get the right to plead the Fifth Amendment because they are called in to Congress and Comer should call them in every one of them. And that means you can call people in and ask them, what did you do? And they don't have the right to plead the Fifth Amendment. So I think the likely consequence is not convictions, but it may have. illuminate to the country how sordid things were and and and i hope it does we need that we can't have these people doing this thing ironically because these people no longer complete the fifth amendment

we actually are going to learn more this way than probably we would have learned otherwise now they are going to be tried in the court of public opinion that's right but you got to know that 50% of the country doesn't care. We didn't care what they did. I mean, that's just the way it is. But I care because I want history to reflect accurately on who held offices. Hey, doctor, always good to talk to you. We really appreciate your time.

It's a pleasure and an honor to be on. Thanks for having me. Sure. Cheers. This is the NoSpin News Weekend Edition. Now we have a guy who was convicted. for being in the wrong place at the long time. His name is Brandon Strayka, comes to us from D.C.

He got to pardon. Initially, he pled guilty to disorderly conduct and capital grounds, October, 2021. Received 36 months probation, including three months home detention, $5,000 fine, $500 restitution. You do not believe you were treated fairly in this case. Is that correct?

100% yeah absolutely not in a nutshell don't go in the weeds what was unfair well the details of my case weren't true um so important for people to know uh i didn't enter the capital on january 6th uh i was outside of the east side of the building for eight minutes shooting a video so um there are four major details of my case that were blatant fabrications by the fbi and doj One was that I entered into a restricted area of Capitol grounds and knew that the area was restricted, but did it anyway. When I arrived at Capitol grounds, and by the way, I was a scheduled speaker at a permitted event on Capitol grounds. So not the area where I was, but on an outer area of the grounds, I was supposed to be a speaker. But I started getting text messages saying that something was happening at the Capitol and people were going inside. So I started shooting a video and I approached the Capitol from the East Side. The barricades at the time were fully open. There were no signs indicating that people were not allowed to be there.

There were literally zero police officers on the east side of the building when I was there. And there was a crowd of thousands of people standing outside. So I walked up the open sidewalk and into a crowd of thousands of people. And this is when, according to the DOJ, I committed my first felony. So they charged me with a felony charge of occupying restricted grounds. In other words, a trespassing felony outside of the Capitol. But then I walked to the top of the stairs, and when I got to the top of the stairs, the doors on the east side of the Capitol were open. There were a crowd of several hundred people. Some were trying to push their way in.

The majority like me were standing outside shooting a video. I stood outside of the building for eight minutes shooting a video, and then a man came out of the building, got on a bullhorn and said, they've cleared Congress, everyone's left the building, move out, move out. And I immediately turned around and I left. And then I uploaded that video that I had just shot to Twitter. Two and a half weeks later, I was raided by the FBI. A team of agents and tactical gear came into my apartment, began stripping it of computers, phones, hard drives, iPads, et cetera.

Put me in handcuffs and took me to jail and told me I was facing multiple felony charges for what I had done. Let me stop you there. So you never went inside the Capitol building? I did not enter the Capitol on January 6th. All right. You were outside. All right. Correct.

So they come in and they arrest you. Now, you hired an attorney guy named Stuart Dornan, right? Correct. Now, did you have to pay for him? I did. I had a private attorney. Okay. And what did he tell you when you hired him? So when I met with my attorney, what he had told me was that I was facing multiple felonies, but that he had had a conversation with the prosecutor.

And the prosecutor told him that they were open to dropping the felony charges if I was willing to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. The problem with that, I mean, besides the fact that I assert that I wasn't even guilty of a misdemeanor charge, unless perhaps you wanted to say I was in a restricted area and I was in the wrong place, fine. But the problem is they didn't leave it at that. What they said was that I stood outside of the building shouting, go, go, go to encourage people to go into the building. And that I witnessed the crowd taking a shield from an officer. and that I shouted, take it, take it to encourage the crowd. Do they have videotape of that?

No. Okay, that was just the allegation. But I'm interested in what your attorney told you, and then we'll get it. I'm not doubting your story. I want to all my viewers and listeners. I'm not doubting Brandon's story at all. But I want to walk through the process so that everybody understands what you guys went through. Okay.

So, Dornan is your lawyer. You're paying Dornan. out of your own pocket, and the government says, okay, plea it down, which happens all the time. Does Dornan recommend you plea it down? A lawyer really can't recommend anything. What a lawyer can tell you is these are your options, and this is what I think is going to. Well, my lawyers recommend, Branagh, all the time, do this, do that, do this, do that. I don't know about this guy, but you're telling that he was neutral on us?

He didn't say, plea it down or fight it. he didn't give you one of the two? What he told me was that we could fight it all the way to the end if we wanted to, but we both knew, and I didn't need to be told, that we were going before a D.C. judge and a D.C. jury in a very biased political case, and that the likelihood of being successful at trial was very, very small. But they didn't have hard evidence of what they were accusing you of, which is inciting a riot. Go, go, go with it.

There's no evidence at all. In discovery, Dornan didn't find anything like that. No smoking gun to use a cliché, is that correct? Well, there was no smoking gun, but when I stood outside the building and I filmed, my camera captured somebody grab a shield from one officer who walked by, and you can hear voices in the background shouting, take it, take it. It's quite obvious. It wasn't your voice.

The voices were not mine. Okay. All right. And again, I'm believing you. I'm like the Ghostbusters, right? I'm believing you. All right. So you sign the guilty plea and it's disorderly conduct and then you have to go through a three-month ordeal, a three-year ordeal of probation of home confinement of fines. All right. Do you regret signing that guilty plea now? Yes. I don't think I would have changed because to me, I've always said it wasn't a question of how do I win and how do I lose when you're going.

up against the government, the question is, how do you lose the least? For me, the only path forward to lose the least and to come out of this with some of my life intact was to plead guilty to the misdemeanor charge, which I do not believe. You wouldn't do it again. In hindsight, you would have fought it? If your question is, would I take the plea deal again? The answer is yes. You would take it again. All right. So for you, President Trump's pardon is A, legitimate, B, a kindness. Would that be accurate? I'm sorry, Bill. I'm having trouble with my signal. Could you repeat what you said? For you, President Trump's pardon was a kindness.

I would say that Trump's pardon, yes, I would describe it as a kindness, but I think that it was a level of justice for all of us because I think what a lot of people don't understand is the punishment that all of us have faced that has gone even outside of the judicial branch. I mean, the brutality that all of us have faced for January 6th goes far beyond what we were sentenced to. We were all placed on terrorism watch lists. We were all mass de-platformed and debanked and removed from every big tech platform that you can imagine. We had to fly with air marshals on our flights. We were treated like domestic terrorists and insurrectionists for four years. Do you blame the Biden administration for that?

Do I'm sorry, do I? Do you blame the Biden administration for that? Yes, 100%. All right. Okay, I'm glad you got the pardon. I think you deserve the pardon. I wrote almost exactly what you said, Brandon, on bill o'Reilly.com yesterday. I hope you go and read it.

And I didn't, this is the first time we've ever talked. Okay? That's right. I said, this was. What they did was they terrorized these people on January 6th, the Merrick Garland Justice Department. For all of that, that's legit for what President Trump did. And we appreciate it. You're going to have a, I hope, a very happy and productive life going forward.

You're a young guy. If you ever need any help or you find that anything is inhibiting your life due to this, you call us immediately. And we'll help you. Okay? Thank you, Bill. Thank you. You're listening to the NoSpin News Weekend Edition.

Okay, let's turn to President Biden and what might happen to him in the future. It's a major story, history story. I said, and if you read my book confronting the presidents, he's the second worst president in our history. I can back that up 50 ways. All right. There is another book out. It's called All the President. money. Investigating the secret foreign schemes that made the Biden family rich. The author

is Congressman James Comer, you know him, from Kentucky. He's a chair of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee. And the Congressman is going to continue, I understand, looking into the Biden family grift. The key question, of course, is whether Vice President Biden or President Biden took money, took abroad. That is the key question. Now, on page 47 of the book, there is this, quote. Congressman Koma writes, the China Energy Company wired millions of dollars to various shell companies

that would eventually be passed through the Biden family member's bank accounts, large sums of which ended up in Joe Biden's pocket. Now, if that can be proved, That would be the biggest presidential scandal in history. No other chief executive has been convicted of bribery. Did you know that at Chevron, you can fuel up on unbeatable mileage and savings? With Chevron rewards, you'll get 25 cents off per gallon on your next five visits. All you have to do is download the Chevron app and join to start saving on fuel.

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that went directly to Joe Biden from the influence peddling schemes. Both payments came through a laundered process. The money from China started out as the $5 million wire. That was the wire where Hunter Biden sent the WhatsApp message, where he said, my father sitting beside me, it was just weeks after he left the vice presidency, and said, we expect those commitments to be fulfilled. So there was evidence of Hunter with his father, according to Hunter, sitting beside him,

demanding that the Chinese comply with whatever deal they made while Joe Biden was Vice President. Days later, a $5 million wire went through a series of shell companies. One company that I said was not a shell, but it was a corrupt company, was Hunter's law firm, even though he didn't practice law. It was his professional LLC. That LLC then took a fee out of that $5 million transaction. That fee was for $400,000.

And then money, that $400,000 started going down through a series of money laundering. bank suspicious activity reports flagged them as this is the money laundering scheme. There's money being laundered through shell companies. And it ends up the last incremental payment goes to Joe Biden for $40,000. That ironically is 10% of hunters $400,000. Now Tony Babelinski is the one that said 10% for the big guy. Tony Bobelinski came in for both a deposition and a committee hearing. And in the committee hearing, he cited that $40,000 payment, and he said, that was the 10%, that was what that deal was supposed to be.

He said, but what I learned, what Tony Bob Malinsky learned was, it wasn't a legitimate business deal. When he signed up to be a part of that, he thought it was really a deal, a real energy company in China. But what he realized was there was no deal. It was just a bribe. That's what Tony Bob Alinsky said under oath, a bribe to Joe Biden. But where did the money go? All right, so Biden gets $40K in his suitcase and cash? You put it under his bed?

Where do you go? It was a check that was deposited into his Joe Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. checking account. Then there was another payment bill. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So he puts the check in the payment in his checking account. The IRS is flagged on that, anything over $10K. All right, so it goes in. Biden doesn't have that on his tax return, does he?

No, no. Oh, that's a felony, isn't it? He disclosed his taxes. We subpoenaed the bank records, not of Joe Biden. We couldn't get those because he was sitting President of the United States. But we subpoenaed the bank records of the shell companies and of Jim Biden. So the next payment came from a scheme called AmeriCorps Health. And this was a Jim Biden deal.

That $40,000 that ended up in Joe's account was from the child. a deal through Hunter. The next one, which was a larger one, was for $200,000. It was a scheme through a domestic scheme called AmeriCorps Health through Jim Biden. And it was a supposedly a loan from AmeriCorps, a loan made to Jim Biden for $600,000, a loan that he never repaid, he never paid any interest on. And, you know, the loan was made right before the company, bankruptcy. So of that $600,000, it was laundered

through a series of shells to, it went to Jim and Sarah Biden, who both got pardons, their personal account, and then they turn around and write Joe Biden a check for $200,000. And it says in the memo line

loan repayment. Well, we caught this, and the media said, oh, it was a loan. They were just it was a loan repayment. I was How do you know it's a loan repayment? Because it says it on the memo line, loan repayment. But, Bill, if I loan you $200,000 and you pay me back $200,000, you should have evidence that I first loaned you $200,000.

Yeah, the original loan. Never produced any evidence, and he tried to say both payments were loan repayments. For what, though? I mean, look, there's got to be a contract, and there's no contract. Wait, wait, wait, wait, but let me stop you there. So now you're on the community. now, and you're not going to walk away from this, you're still investigating. All you've got to do is hand this over to the IRS because, as I said, none of this appears on Joe Biden's tax returns.

All right? So if he gets 40K in his personal account and doesn't declare it his income, that's a felony. If he gets a repayment of a loan that wasn't even made, that's fraud. That's fraud. So the IRS is the, and you know, you know that under the Biden administration, that's going to investigate it. But now under the Trump investigation, this doesn't seem like a complicated process. You hand over that to the IRS, they do due diligence for a month or two, and then you go, the FBI goes to the Biden House in Delaware and arrest them.

Where am I going wrong? No, you're absolutely right. And because of the investigation, those two IRS whistleblowers came forward. Joseph Ziegler and Gary Shapley. They knew about a lot of this because they were investigating the entire Biden family. Sure. But that's all. I want to move it ahead.

We know Garland and the IRS under Joe Biden. Now I'm going to do any of this. Now, I don't know if Donald Trump has a heart for this. I don't know. He's been asking a couple of times, look, are you going to go after Joe Biden criminally on these situations? But understanding what Trump himself,

went through in the whole process of everybody coming after him. Number one, the press is, if you ever did that, the IRS ever, you know, charged Joe Biden. Press go nuts. It's Trump. It's Trump's vengeance. You know what the thing would be. Okay.

But have you spoken with the president about this? Do you know if he's going to aggressively go after Biden on these criminal charges? I saw President Trump at Marlago. There were some other committee chairs there a couple of weekends ago. And he came up to me and started talking about the investigation and said you did a great job exposing the fraud and the schemes and all that. And I said, well, Mr. President, you know, the investigation's been done. I strongly encourage your administration to follow through and hold these people accountable.

I said, you know, at the time he had only pardoned Hunter, I said, I fully expect him to pardon Jim Biden. Now, I was surprised that he pardoned the spouses because, Bill, the only place you will find the name of the spouses involved in the scheme is in my book. And I think whoever read my, they read my book, the Biden legal team, and encouraged Joe Biden to issue the pardons for the spouses, too, because there were 10 family members, including Joe Biden. Well, they all filed joint tax returns. That's why they did that. So they had to because all of his money wasn't declared. And that's the crime.

Cal Capone. They got him a tax evasion. This is the same exact thing. All right. And Bill, I come from a banking background, from a bank, a family that was involved in banking. I was the director of a bank for many years. And tax returns don't tell the true story. Bank records do. Bank records don't lie. People can cheat on their taxes. The way taxes are set up, they're set up to be manipulated. But you cannot lie on bank records. And the bank records show where they were laundering money and the banks caught them. So the bank, the private banks did everything right. Look, the case is overwhelming at this point.

The problem is whether the Trump IRS is going to go after it. Like they did go after Hunter, all right, now Hunter's pardon, they had them, the IRS got him. With the IRS, it seems to me, if all of the things that you have written in, you have written in your book, and I'm going to mention it again, because if you want the details, Congressman Comer has them, all the president's money by James Comer. If the IRS goes after President Biden,

even though these offenses were committed while he was vice president, allegedly committed, all right, it's not a hard case to make, is it? No, no, it's not. And the Irish investigators, when they came forward, they came forward and we had our committee hearing, they said they wanted to question Joe Biden because obviously the money was coming because of Joe Biden. Yeah, sure, but he was never going to do that.

But now he's stripped of all protection. Right. And you got a new Irish commissioner, Billy Long, and I hope that they do this because if you look at what Hunter Biden was charged with in tax evasion bill, the IRS let a bunch of statute of limitations expire. own some other tax charge. Right, but this one, no, you're, it's in the zone. But anyway, keep us posted here.

And if you don't think the Trump administration is doing what it should, you got to let me know. I mean, because we're looking out for the country. You can't have a vice president or a president taking bribes. That's right. You can't. That's right. All right.

And that, yeah. Go ahead. Last word. Well, look, I think the book goes into deep. detail. It's a forensic accounting of what they did. Joe Biden lied so many times I lost count as to who he met with, what he knew. He said there was a wall between the family. What we found out in the book, and it's in the investigation I write about it in the book that Hunter was paying for his legal fees. Hunter was paying for his accounting fees. That was all paid through the

shell companies. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. They're just a shame that but a large sports for us in a country doesn't care and that includes the legacy media all right congress and good luck we'll talk to you soon i hope thanks for coming on thank you for listening to the no spend news weekend edition to watch the full episodes of the no spin news visit bill o'reilly dot com and sign up to become a premium or concierge member that's bill o'reilly dot com sign up and start watching today